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    Raiders22
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:07 PM ET #776

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  8 of the top 10 teams with the highest team batting average made the playoffs in 2025 with Toronto at 265 leading the way. Anaheim Angels, last place, led the league with strikeouts, Rockies, also in last place, was 2nd in strikeouts. That's because averages matter, and strikeouts matter. And once again, I appreciate your input. BUT STOP USING AI. Toronto led the league last year with a 265 team average

    AI is just a quicker way to grab things instead of going to a several sources.

    Averages matter, of course.

    It is just that other things have shown to matter more over a long period of time now.

    If they are better at predicting individual success they are also better at predicting overall team success as a unit as well

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  8 of the top 10 teams with the highest team batting average made the playoffs in 2025 with Toronto at 265 leading the way. Anaheim Angels, last place, led the league with strikeouts, Rockies, also in last place, was 2nd in strikeouts. That's because averages matter, and strikeouts matter. And once again, I appreciate your input. BUT STOP USING AI. Toronto led the league last year with a 265 team average

    AI is just a quicker way to grab things instead of going to a several sources.

    Averages matter, of course.

    It is just that other things have shown to matter more over a long period of time now.

    If they are better at predicting individual success they are also better at predicting overall team success as a unit as well

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:09 PM ET #777

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     But dude, 8 of the top 10 teams with the highest average made the playoffs. The highest average 265 was Toronto who was in the World Series. And you say that's not a predictor? The most strikeouts by a team, angels, Rockies. What place were they in last year? LAST. So, the team with the highest team average was in the World Series, the team that had the most strike outs was in last place. I appreciate your input. But it's frustrating talking to you guys sometimes. It's easy. Toronto, highest team average, in the world series, angels, most strikeouts, last place. That's not a PREDICTION, those are FACTS

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     But dude, 8 of the top 10 teams with the highest average made the playoffs. The highest average 265 was Toronto who was in the World Series. And you say that's not a predictor? The most strikeouts by a team, angels, Rockies. What place were they in last year? LAST. So, the team with the highest team average was in the World Series, the team that had the most strike outs was in last place. I appreciate your input. But it's frustrating talking to you guys sometimes. It's easy. Toronto, highest team average, in the world series, angels, most strikeouts, last place. That's not a PREDICTION, those are FACTS

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:10 PM ET #778

    @Raiders22

     Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.peace_5

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    @Raiders22

     Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:28 PM ET #779

    @TxRangers

     

    Look at these for example:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2025.shtml

     

    BA:

     

    Toronto

    Milwaukee

    Philadelphia 

    Boston

    X- Athletics

    Dodgers

    San Diego

    X- Arizona

    New York Yankees

    X- Tampa Bay

     

    OPS:

     

    New York Yankees

    Dodgers

    Toronto

    Philadelphia 

    X- Arizona

    X-New York Mets

    Chicago Cubs

    X- Athletics

    Boston

    Seattle

     

    oWAR:

     

    Yankees

    Cubs

    Seattle

    X- Mets

    Dodgers

    Boston

    Milwaukee

    Phillies

    Toronto

    X- Arizona

     

    oRAR:

     

    Cubs

    Yankees

    Seattle

    X- Mets

    Dodgers

    Brewers

    Boston

    Phillies

    X- Arizona

    Toronto

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    Look at these for example:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2025.shtml

     

    BA:

     

    Toronto

    Milwaukee

    Philadelphia 

    Boston

    X- Athletics

    Dodgers

    San Diego

    X- Arizona

    New York Yankees

    X- Tampa Bay

     

    OPS:

     

    New York Yankees

    Dodgers

    Toronto

    Philadelphia 

    X- Arizona

    X-New York Mets

    Chicago Cubs

    X- Athletics

    Boston

    Seattle

     

    oWAR:

     

    Yankees

    Cubs

    Seattle

    X- Mets

    Dodgers

    Boston

    Milwaukee

    Phillies

    Toronto

    X- Arizona

     

    oRAR:

     

    Cubs

    Yankees

    Seattle

    X- Mets

    Dodgers

    Brewers

    Boston

    Phillies

    X- Arizona

    Toronto

     
    Raiders22
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:33 PM ET #780

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  But dude, 8 of the top 10 teams with the highest average made the playoffs. The highest average 265 was Toronto who was in the World Series. And you say that's not a predictor? The most strikeouts by a team, angels, Rockies. What place were they in last year? LAST. So, the team with the highest team average was in the World Series, the team that had the most strike outs was in last place. I appreciate your input. But it's frustrating talking to you guys sometimes. It's easy. Toronto, highest team average, in the world series, angels, most strikeouts, last place. That's not a PREDICTION, those are FACTS

    I think 7?  But either way the more you parse it out, you can find better offensive categories to determine offensive success.

    Then you have to consider defensive and pitching metrics.

    There are also good advanced stats to use for those as well.

    Then a team can get hot late in the season or post season and have everything come together as the Bluejays almost did; or not, as Arizona and the Mets did not.

    I am not completely disagreeing with you about Batting Averages.  They are still important to me.

    I just have come to the realization that the guys that use the analytics are right when it comes to baseball.

    These stats take out a lot of the 'noise' with the old standard stats and clean it up to present a clearer picture.

    Analytics just works better in MLB than other sports due to the length of the season.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  But dude, 8 of the top 10 teams with the highest average made the playoffs. The highest average 265 was Toronto who was in the World Series. And you say that's not a predictor? The most strikeouts by a team, angels, Rockies. What place were they in last year? LAST. So, the team with the highest team average was in the World Series, the team that had the most strike outs was in last place. I appreciate your input. But it's frustrating talking to you guys sometimes. It's easy. Toronto, highest team average, in the world series, angels, most strikeouts, last place. That's not a PREDICTION, those are FACTS

    I think 7?  But either way the more you parse it out, you can find better offensive categories to determine offensive success.

    Then you have to consider defensive and pitching metrics.

    There are also good advanced stats to use for those as well.

    Then a team can get hot late in the season or post season and have everything come together as the Bluejays almost did; or not, as Arizona and the Mets did not.

    I am not completely disagreeing with you about Batting Averages.  They are still important to me.

    I just have come to the realization that the guys that use the analytics are right when it comes to baseball.

    These stats take out a lot of the 'noise' with the old standard stats and clean it up to present a clearer picture.

    Analytics just works better in MLB than other sports due to the length of the season.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 12:40 PM ET #781

    @TxRangers

     

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.

    Okay?  No problem with that.

    They are just not a good team.  Trout is not what he once was.  This is still just looking at one statistic that you prefer to look at.

    They are also toward the bottom in oRAR -- which is a look at their overall offensive ability.  This show sit is not just Trout but the whole team that is not producing offensively.  Even if Trout were producing at Judge's level it would not produce many more runs because the team is not good offensively.  They have a 4.4 oWAR -- 10th from the bottom.  A -.2 dWAR -- 15th from the bottom.  6th from the bottom in pitching WAR at 1.5.

    The bottomline is that the Angels simply are NOT a good TEAM.  Trout is by far and away the best player on their team, however.

    So, those two things can still be true.

    peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.

    Okay?  No problem with that.

    They are just not a good team.  Trout is not what he once was.  This is still just looking at one statistic that you prefer to look at.

    They are also toward the bottom in oRAR -- which is a look at their overall offensive ability.  This show sit is not just Trout but the whole team that is not producing offensively.  Even if Trout were producing at Judge's level it would not produce many more runs because the team is not good offensively.  They have a 4.4 oWAR -- 10th from the bottom.  A -.2 dWAR -- 15th from the bottom.  6th from the bottom in pitching WAR at 1.5.

    The bottomline is that the Angels simply are NOT a good TEAM.  Trout is by far and away the best player on their team, however.

    So, those two things can still be true.

    peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 1:09 PM ET #782

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @undermysac  The original odds were Detroit - 125 Cleveland + 105. I have 500 on that. After Cleveland lost game 1. Then I put 500 more on Cleveland at + 260, but my sportsbook had a "boost" on that wager, so it gave me Cleveland + 440. They do that to entice you making more wagers. So I'm actually sitting pretty good right now. I only put 200 more on Cleveland at +165. So, I have 1,200 riding. I hope you followed all that. Thank you for your input

    Hope you hit that. I didn't follow, haven't bet on nba in maybe 8 years or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @undermysac  The original odds were Detroit - 125 Cleveland + 105. I have 500 on that. After Cleveland lost game 1. Then I put 500 more on Cleveland at + 260, but my sportsbook had a "boost" on that wager, so it gave me Cleveland + 440. They do that to entice you making more wagers. So I'm actually sitting pretty good right now. I only put 200 more on Cleveland at +165. So, I have 1,200 riding. I hope you followed all that. Thank you for your input

    Hope you hit that. I didn't follow, haven't bet on nba in maybe 8 years or more.

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 1:13 PM ET #783

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.

    Well, Jorge Soler is an Angel too. That dude whiffs a ton. Not a good combo with him and Trout in that department 

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Here's another thought. Why do you think the Angels led the league in strikeouts??? Mike Trout 178!!!! Do you think that helped the Angels lead the league in strikeouts? Again, I appreciate your content.

    Well, Jorge Soler is an Angel too. That dude whiffs a ton. Not a good combo with him and Trout in that department 

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 1:49 PM ET #784

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     Here is what I have. 500 win 500 (+100), 500 win 2205 ((441), 200 win 330 ( +165 ). $1200 total on Cleveland Cavaliers. peace_5

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    @undermysac

     Here is what I have. 500 win 500 (+100), 500 win 2205 ((441), 200 win 330 ( +165 ). $1200 total on Cleveland Cavaliers. peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 5:17 PM ET #785

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     Got to quit snacking on those salty nuts to much sodium.Stick with your usual protein heavy ball soup.Trout owns you controls your emotions and provides your daily protein.Trout may be bigger and better than all of baseball and even volleyball.Get a life get a pen pal .

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    @TxRangers

     Got to quit snacking on those salty nuts to much sodium.Stick with your usual protein heavy ball soup.Trout owns you controls your emotions and provides your daily protein.Trout may be bigger and better than all of baseball and even volleyball.Get a life get a pen pal .

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:02 PM ET #786

    I'll making a bunch of money tonight. I told you guys Cleveland was winning tonight and the series. And I'm making a hell of a lot of money off of Cleveland.

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    I'll making a bunch of money tonight. I told you guys Cleveland was winning tonight and the series. And I'm making a hell of a lot of money off of Cleveland.

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:05 PM ET #787

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     I bet you are.That popcorn tip money adds up.

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     I bet you are.That popcorn tip money adds up.

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:07 PM ET #788

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     Hey einstein, have you read post 785?

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     Hey einstein, have you read post 785?

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:09 PM ET #789

     

    @bonfire69

     This basketball game is over already. I made a lot of money today. I told you guys Cleveland series money line

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    @bonfire69

     This basketball game is over already. I made a lot of money today. I told you guys Cleveland series money line

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:21 PM ET #790

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     Thank you Daisy

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     Thank you Daisy

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 9:50 PM ET #791

    Nice Cav call TR.....Obvious you know Baskets better then baseball....an_roll_laugh...an_popcorn

    Be careful with the axe Eugene.
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    Nice Cav call TR.....Obvious you know Baskets better then baseball....an_roll_laugh...an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 10:38 PM ET #792

    @TxRangers

     Trout is the king of baseball.When he retires the game itself will end.

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    @TxRangers

     Trout is the king of baseball.When he retires the game itself will end.

     
    TxRangers
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 10:54 PM ET #793

    @ArtSchlichterJr

     Thank you art, good luck the rest of the waypeace_5

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    @ArtSchlichterJr

     Thank you art, good luck the rest of the waypeace_5

     
    7272
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    Posted: May. 17, 2026 - 11:12 PM ET #794

    So, here we go. You said after game 5 of a 7 game series, if Cavs lose, I'm dun posting. I pointed out in your original post, I believe 471, stated that if Cavs lose the series you would quit posting. I called you a dumass, you called me Einstein. By all means, per your original post (471) keep posting. You were right, This is my favorite daily comic comic strip, and it gives me something to read  when I'm taking a dump

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    So, here we go. You said after game 5 of a 7 game series, if Cavs lose, I'm dun posting. I pointed out in your original post, I believe 471, stated that if Cavs lose the series you would quit posting. I called you a dumass, you called me Einstein. By all means, per your original post (471) keep posting. You were right, This is my favorite daily comic comic strip, and it gives me something to read  when I'm taking a dump

     
    bonfire69
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    Posted: May. 18, 2026 - 12:12 AM ET #795

    @7272

    Same here.Ranger is good dump material.new_poop

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    @7272

    Same here.Ranger is good dump material.new_poop

     
    undermysac
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    Posted: May. 18, 2026 - 3:43 PM ET #796

    Nice hit on the Cavs.

    I watched the 1H and fell asleep 3 times. The nba is awful. 

    But you won, congrats peace_5

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    Nice hit on the Cavs.

    I watched the 1H and fell asleep 3 times. The nba is awful. 

    But you won, congrats peace_5

     
    ezeric
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2026 - 6:40 PM ET #797

    Trout to the 15 day IL (hamstring)

    SHOCKER !

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    Trout to the 15 day IL (hamstring)

    SHOCKER !

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2026 - 8:06 PM ET #798

    Trout has the worst contract in the MLB.

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    Trout has the worst contract in the MLB.

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