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    I have no idea why St. Louis is currently the best team in baseball

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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:08 PM ET #1

    I look at the Cards roster and I don't see it, but there it is. The best record (so far) in baseball. Wow. 
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    I look at the Cards roster and I don't see it, but there it is. The best record (so far) in baseball. Wow. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:15 PM ET #2

    Why can't you see it they are a great organization 
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    Why can't you see it they are a great organization 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:16 PM ET #3

    Yeah, I don't get it... What don't you see? All around great team.
    “The greatest risk is not taking one”
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    Yeah, I don't get it... What don't you see? All around great team.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:22 PM ET #4

    Cover story on SI a few weeks ago. Farm system you cannot believe.
    Top three records in NL are in the Central..............

    Maybe they're overrated, like you said LeBron James was......
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    Cover story on SI a few weeks ago. Farm system you cannot believe.
    Top three records in NL are in the Central..............

    Maybe they're overrated, like you said LeBron James was......
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:25 PM ET #5

    Okay...but I was hoping for a better answer than "great organization, or great team." Are you saying St. Louis has the best organization in baseball and that's why?
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    Okay...but I was hoping for a better answer than "great organization, or great team." Are you saying St. Louis has the best organization in baseball and that's why?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:31 PM ET #6

    Doesn't their rotation have the best ERA in the league right now?
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    Doesn't their rotation have the best ERA in the league right now?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:31 PM ET #7

    Looks like a pretty damn good lineup to me. 

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    Looks like a pretty damn good lineup to me. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:37 PM ET #8

    I completely understand the premise of your thread. Just because a team has a great farm system or a good GM doesn't mean you'll have the best record. However.....

    What the others are alluding to is that even with losing Westbrook after he got off to such a great start, they have arms to fill in. When a couple of bats go cold, they have depth to continue the assault. And that all comes from having such a well run organization that, from the top down, can keep on chugging through a long grind of a season, When comparing this team's talent to others, one can see that they are a difficult bunch to beat. When you add a manager that's respected, that means this can happen for a couple months. It can also continue for the entire season. Their veterans are not yet too old or costly. They'll produce just enough on a nightly basis. 

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    I completely understand the premise of your thread. Just because a team has a great farm system or a good GM doesn't mean you'll have the best record. However.....

    What the others are alluding to is that even with losing Westbrook after he got off to such a great start, they have arms to fill in. When a couple of bats go cold, they have depth to continue the assault. And that all comes from having such a well run organization that, from the top down, can keep on chugging through a long grind of a season, When comparing this team's talent to others, one can see that they are a difficult bunch to beat. When you add a manager that's respected, that means this can happen for a couple months. It can also continue for the entire season. Their veterans are not yet too old or costly. They'll produce just enough on a nightly basis. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:37 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by RP333:

    Okay...but I was hoping for a better answer than "great organization, or great team." Are you saying St. Louis has the best organization in baseball and that's why?
    Yes. It's not about buying the inflated contracts of aging superstars. It's about developing and keeping your own home grown talent, and wisely fitting in the missing pieces of the puzzle with a free agent or two at a reasonable rate of return.
     Look at Atlanta. They spent 75 million to sign BJ Upton even though all current Sabrmetric data indicated he was one of the most overvalued players over the past 5 years in Tampa. His reputation as a great defensive center fielder belied the fact that he was weaker than average at his position. And everyone in Tampa knew he was a piss poor situational hitter who could only pad his stats in meaningless at bats. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by RP333:

    Okay...but I was hoping for a better answer than "great organization, or great team." Are you saying St. Louis has the best organization in baseball and that's why?
    Yes. It's not about buying the inflated contracts of aging superstars. It's about developing and keeping your own home grown talent, and wisely fitting in the missing pieces of the puzzle with a free agent or two at a reasonable rate of return.
     Look at Atlanta. They spent 75 million to sign BJ Upton even though all current Sabrmetric data indicated he was one of the most overvalued players over the past 5 years in Tampa. His reputation as a great defensive center fielder belied the fact that he was weaker than average at his position. And everyone in Tampa knew he was a piss poor situational hitter who could only pad his stats in meaningless at bats. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:38 PM ET #10

    Do you not watch them play at all????
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    Do you not watch them play at all????
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:45 PM ET #11

    Pitching.  Pretty simple answer.
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    Pitching.  Pretty simple answer.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:49 PM ET #12

    Solid pitching, solid defense, solid coaching, some power, some average, timely hitting. Fundamentally sound
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    Solid pitching, solid defense, solid coaching, some power, some average, timely hitting. Fundamentally sound
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 9:50 PM ET #13

    Nice answers Getty and casheasy. I was just curious because I've respected the Cardinals for many years and I was hoping to get some intelligent answers. Both of yours provided excellent insight.
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    Nice answers Getty and casheasy. I was just curious because I've respected the Cardinals for many years and I was hoping to get some intelligent answers. Both of yours provided excellent insight.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2013 - 11:57 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Cover story on SI a few weeks ago. Farm system you cannot believe.
    Top three records in NL are in the Central..............

    Maybe they're overrated, like you said LeBron James was......
    Just imagine how good they would be if they hadn't made "the worst hire in Cardinals history" Right Hawk?
    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Cover story on SI a few weeks ago. Farm system you cannot believe.
    Top three records in NL are in the Central..............

    Maybe they're overrated, like you said LeBron James was......
    Just imagine how good they would be if they hadn't made "the worst hire in Cardinals history" Right Hawk?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2013 - 1:05 AM ET #15

    Great Team... Solid.., Bullpen has some weakness , but other than that see Cards , Reds , Braves .. Right there..
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    Great Team... Solid.., Bullpen has some weakness , but other than that see Cards , Reds , Braves .. Right there..
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2013 - 1:07 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:

    Solid pitching, solid defense, solid coaching, some power, some average, timely hitting. Fundamentally sound


    That's why they're número UNOUNO
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:

    Solid pitching, solid defense, solid coaching, some power, some average, timely hitting. Fundamentally sound


    That's why they're número UNOUNO
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