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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 5:24 AM ET #76

    Looks like another ugly day in the stock market casino......at least the open looks hideous.
     
    "Eventually," and probably sooner than later, the big money players are going to unleash hell on the shorts.  When this happens, I damn sure hope I can hop a ride on this train.
     
    Yeah, JPM is solid, too------"solid" meaning that if any fund is looking for financial exposure, they will look to hide in JPM, as well as BAC.  One of the main reasons I am yapping about BAC is its location.....Charlotte, North Carolina------that place is exploding with growth.
     
    Have a good day, everyone.
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    Looks like another ugly day in the stock market casino......at least the open looks hideous.
     
    "Eventually," and probably sooner than later, the big money players are going to unleash hell on the shorts.  When this happens, I damn sure hope I can hop a ride on this train.
     
    Yeah, JPM is solid, too------"solid" meaning that if any fund is looking for financial exposure, they will look to hide in JPM, as well as BAC.  One of the main reasons I am yapping about BAC is its location.....Charlotte, North Carolina------that place is exploding with growth.
     
    Have a good day, everyone.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 8:55 AM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Charlotte, North Carolina------that place is exploding with growth.
     

    I don't trust cities that have no body of water.  Dallas is the biggest, I think.  You're just never going to get that big without water

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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Charlotte, North Carolina------that place is exploding with growth.
     

    I don't trust cities that have no body of water.  Dallas is the biggest, I think.  You're just never going to get that big without water

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 9:16 AM ET #78

    Buckle up boys, it could get exciting today and tomorrow
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    Buckle up boys, it could get exciting today and tomorrow
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 9:28 AM ET #79

    Usually I'd accept that, Gunners, but not anymore.
     
    And, Charlotte is very close to the S Carolina beaches.
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    Usually I'd accept that, Gunners, but not anymore.
     
    And, Charlotte is very close to the S Carolina beaches.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 2:37 PM ET #80

    I am a very novice investor. I see that gold has really crumbled over the last few months.
     
    Is gold low enough now to buy a stock like ABX (currently $27.07), or do you guys think it will continue to fall?
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    I am a very novice investor. I see that gold has really crumbled over the last few months.
     
    Is gold low enough now to buy a stock like ABX (currently $27.07), or do you guys think it will continue to fall?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 6:10 PM ET #81

    LEH down more in after hours. It is almost that the less which is known the lower the stock goes.

    It wouldnt shock me if the stock sees the TWOs tomorrow.     
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    LEH down more in after hours. It is almost that the less which is known the lower the stock goes.

    It wouldnt shock me if the stock sees the TWOs tomorrow.     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 6:15 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by BountyHunt:

    I am a very novice investor. I see that gold has really crumbled over the last few months.
     
    Is gold low enough now to buy a stock like ABX (currently $27.07), or do you guys think it will continue to fall?


    Gold is an inflation play.  Commodities have dropped like rocks and the dollar has strengthened so inflation fears have lessened.

    Unless commodities start a meaningful rebound and/or the dollar heads south again, I wouldn't touch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BountyHunt:

    I am a very novice investor. I see that gold has really crumbled over the last few months.
     
    Is gold low enough now to buy a stock like ABX (currently $27.07), or do you guys think it will continue to fall?


    Gold is an inflation play.  Commodities have dropped like rocks and the dollar has strengthened so inflation fears have lessened.

    Unless commodities start a meaningful rebound and/or the dollar heads south again, I wouldn't touch it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #83

    WSC-
     
    Yeah, could see 2s tomorrow, for sure.....especially at open----and that includes if someone overseas makes a buyout proposal tonight.
     
    If LEH doesn't get a buyout, that place is done.  I am sorry for some of the good people that work there, but that place, just like MER and GS is full of rotten, sick crooks that have used every conceivable lie to get ahead, and I don't mean a few bucks here and there, but SICK amounts of money.  SICK AMOUNTS that would make the average working Joe vomit on the spot.
     
    Fcku LEH.....I hope the place goes caput, and then MER joins them in the sewer.  Good riddance.
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    WSC-
     
    Yeah, could see 2s tomorrow, for sure.....especially at open----and that includes if someone overseas makes a buyout proposal tonight.
     
    If LEH doesn't get a buyout, that place is done.  I am sorry for some of the good people that work there, but that place, just like MER and GS is full of rotten, sick crooks that have used every conceivable lie to get ahead, and I don't mean a few bucks here and there, but SICK amounts of money.  SICK AMOUNTS that would make the average working Joe vomit on the spot.
     
    Fcku LEH.....I hope the place goes caput, and then MER joins them in the sewer.  Good riddance.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 8:18 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    WM in trouble, market popped FAST, went up 100 on the DOW in like 15 minutes after going red.

    CC, I think JPM is the safest bank, BAC owns CFC which will take years to unwind. I would prefer JPM or C or PNC etc over BAC myself.



    Ed - what are your thoughts on WFC?  They have minimal sub-prime exposure and continue to grow assets.  A bouy in a sea of retail bank shipwrecks.  34 cent quarterly dividend.  Missed a buy at $25.  Watching for it to level out and bang it at $28-$29. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    WM in trouble, market popped FAST, went up 100 on the DOW in like 15 minutes after going red.

    CC, I think JPM is the safest bank, BAC owns CFC which will take years to unwind. I would prefer JPM or C or PNC etc over BAC myself.



    Ed - what are your thoughts on WFC?  They have minimal sub-prime exposure and continue to grow assets.  A bouy in a sea of retail bank shipwrecks.  34 cent quarterly dividend.  Missed a buy at $25.  Watching for it to level out and bang it at $28-$29. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 9:23 PM ET #85

    judge, be careful with WFC.  Lots of folks have been saying that their books have been cooked.  They have changed their definition of delinquent loans from 90 days to 120 days among other things.

    Plus large exposure in California and a high enough exposure in Florida that could create a problem.

    And the number one reason to stay away, Cramer likes them from what I've heard.

    If they are actually as profitable as they say they are, there is no way in hell that they were not involved in the things that are bringing down the whole financial market (not just subprime)
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    judge, be careful with WFC.  Lots of folks have been saying that their books have been cooked.  They have changed their definition of delinquent loans from 90 days to 120 days among other things.

    Plus large exposure in California and a high enough exposure in Florida that could create a problem.

    And the number one reason to stay away, Cramer likes them from what I've heard.

    If they are actually as profitable as they say they are, there is no way in hell that they were not involved in the things that are bringing down the whole financial market (not just subprime)
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 9:56 PM ET #86

    jaxwhitey is right, I have heard the opposite regarding their assets, that they might not be holding a ton of loans but they have plenty of toxic CDO's and exposure to commercial real estate.

    If LEH falls and MER starts teetering the others will start pricing in some potential debacle from a name we havent considered yet.

    WFC makes it, but at this price I am not buying. I liked it in the middle 20s better, but until the final "legs" fall I dont want any financial. If anything I would buy the KBE versus any single name bank wise.  
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    jaxwhitey is right, I have heard the opposite regarding their assets, that they might not be holding a ton of loans but they have plenty of toxic CDO's and exposure to commercial real estate.

    If LEH falls and MER starts teetering the others will start pricing in some potential debacle from a name we havent considered yet.

    WFC makes it, but at this price I am not buying. I liked it in the middle 20s better, but until the final "legs" fall I dont want any financial. If anything I would buy the KBE versus any single name bank wise.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2008 - 10:55 PM ET #87

    Thanks gentlemen. 
    T-bills it is, then. 
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    Thanks gentlemen. 
    T-bills it is, then. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 4:37 AM ET #88

    Just saw a blurb across the ticker where the US treasury is helping to broker a deal where LEH can be saved.
     
    How fabulous!  How deserved!
     
     
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    Just saw a blurb across the ticker where the US treasury is helping to broker a deal where LEH can be saved.
     
    How fabulous!  How deserved!
     
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 10:25 AM ET #89

    This LEH thing is nuts.

    Last week, KDB offers $6 Billion for a 25% stake and today the market cap of the entire company is less than half of that.

    I don't see a BSC $2 offer happening here, but I also don't see $26 or so like you could extrapolate out of the KDB deal.

    The way this thing has imploded over the last week is ridiculous.  Two of the last three days you have had volume over 1/2 of the total number of outstanding shares.
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    This LEH thing is nuts.

    Last week, KDB offers $6 Billion for a 25% stake and today the market cap of the entire company is less than half of that.

    I don't see a BSC $2 offer happening here, but I also don't see $26 or so like you could extrapolate out of the KDB deal.

    The way this thing has imploded over the last week is ridiculous.  Two of the last three days you have had volume over 1/2 of the total number of outstanding shares.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 11:20 AM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Koaj,

    So you got the Pilot right?




    yep...touring edition

    thing is like driving the space shuttle. its very cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Koaj,

    So you got the Pilot right?




    yep...touring edition

    thing is like driving the space shuttle. its very cool
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 11:52 AM ET #91

    Koaj,

    The only thing that threw me for a loop was the control panel with the tire pressure monitor, it comes on with an exclamation point on the dash when the tire pressure drops..I didnt know what the crap it was and here when the temp goes up or down it turns on the tire pressure monitor. That and I didnt get how the oil wear indicator worked, it ticks down from 100% to about 20% based on usage and then it starts to warn as well.

    We didnt get the touring edition due to the cost of the GPS, instead we purchased a Garmin 760 and pocketed 1k (the rear view monitor thing would make me motion sick). And isnt the DVD player mounted up?

    So instead we got the EX-L and the leather has been great.
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    Koaj,

    The only thing that threw me for a loop was the control panel with the tire pressure monitor, it comes on with an exclamation point on the dash when the tire pressure drops..I didnt know what the crap it was and here when the temp goes up or down it turns on the tire pressure monitor. That and I didnt get how the oil wear indicator worked, it ticks down from 100% to about 20% based on usage and then it starts to warn as well.

    We didnt get the touring edition due to the cost of the GPS, instead we purchased a Garmin 760 and pocketed 1k (the rear view monitor thing would make me motion sick). And isnt the DVD player mounted up?

    So instead we got the EX-L and the leather has been great.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:17 PM ET #92

    Looks like my long term view on CMG is coming home to roost, they finally admitted sales were slowing and the stock is down 20% today and made a 52 week low.

    CMG fair value in the 40s-30s longer term.

    One down many more to go such as FSLR, BIDU, GOOG


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    Looks like my long term view on CMG is coming home to roost, they finally admitted sales were slowing and the stock is down 20% today and made a 52 week low.

    CMG fair value in the 40s-30s longer term.

    One down many more to go such as FSLR, BIDU, GOOG


     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:29 PM ET #93

    So anyone think AIG has potential of going under?

    I have some life insurance policies with them.


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    So anyone think AIG has potential of going under?

    I have some life insurance policies with them.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:39 PM ET #94

    Added some DRYS options today, way out in time and it lowers my basis on higher options bought long ago and getting killed.


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    Added some DRYS options today, way out in time and it lowers my basis on higher options bought long ago and getting killed.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:52 PM ET #95

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Looks like my long term view on CMG is coming home to roost, they finally admitted sales were slowing and the stock is down 20% today and made a 52 week low.

    CMG fair value in the 40s-30s longer term.

    One down many more to go such as FSLR, BIDU, GOOG




    I think the entire Restaurant sector was downgraded today by a lot of firms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Looks like my long term view on CMG is coming home to roost, they finally admitted sales were slowing and the stock is down 20% today and made a 52 week low.

    CMG fair value in the 40s-30s longer term.

    One down many more to go such as FSLR, BIDU, GOOG




    I think the entire Restaurant sector was downgraded today by a lot of firms.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:57 PM ET #96

    CNBC is implying there might be a rate cut this weekend?????

    If thats true then its back to the commodities/metals for a run on top of todays pop, inflation comes back into play and there will be no skiing in the Alps this winter for me.   
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    CNBC is implying there might be a rate cut this weekend?????

    If thats true then its back to the commodities/metals for a run on top of todays pop, inflation comes back into play and there will be no skiing in the Alps this winter for me.   
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 12:59 PM ET #97

    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:



    I think the entire Restaurant sector was downgraded today by a lot of firms.


    Nah in this case CMG came out and admitted they were going to miss the high numbers the market had for the upcoming year and quarter.

    Gunners remembers I didnt like them at 120, I dont like them until they get to the 40s and maybe not even then. Too many flaws in their operational design. We had a talk about this topic a while ago and it ticked off a few people that I thought the stock was overvalued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:



    I think the entire Restaurant sector was downgraded today by a lot of firms.


    Nah in this case CMG came out and admitted they were going to miss the high numbers the market had for the upcoming year and quarter.

    Gunners remembers I didnt like them at 120, I dont like them until they get to the 40s and maybe not even then. Too many flaws in their operational design. We had a talk about this topic a while ago and it ticked off a few people that I thought the stock was overvalued.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 1:12 PM ET #98

    do you guys think USO 81.60 would be a good play for the hurricane coming. I'm thinking it will do some serious damage.

    dont know too much about USO. i already have DIG
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    do you guys think USO 81.60 would be a good play for the hurricane coming. I'm thinking it will do some serious damage.

    dont know too much about USO. i already have DIG
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #99

    LEH to the low of the day, big volume here..

    USO catalyst gone for me, maybe you could squeeze a few points out but sentiment obviously bearish, it could be tough trying to find a bottom here.

    USO= ETF for oil
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    LEH to the low of the day, big volume here..

    USO catalyst gone for me, maybe you could squeeze a few points out but sentiment obviously bearish, it could be tough trying to find a bottom here.

    USO= ETF for oil
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2008 - 1:50 PM ET #100

    Crude is down to $100.20 with a hurricane bearing down on the bulk of our offshore oil rigs and refineries and the dollar is down today.

    Not a good sign at all
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    Crude is down to $100.20 with a hurricane bearing down on the bulk of our offshore oil rigs and refineries and the dollar is down today.

    Not a good sign at all
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