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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 10:07 AM ET #51

    fyi - oil inventories number released at 1030 this morning
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    fyi - oil inventories number released at 1030 this morning
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 11:05 AM ET #52

    Well I didnt want a retrace THIS quick.

    geez..
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    Well I didnt want a retrace THIS quick.

    geez..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 11:24 AM ET #53

    we're cool, as long as it stays above 8.75, i think
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    we're cool, as long as it stays above 8.75, i think
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 11:30 AM ET #54

    Gunners,

    I dont think it stays above..being honest here.

    Volume is very light, but the market sucks and I think it goes lower.


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    Gunners,

    I dont think it stays above..being honest here.

    Volume is very light, but the market sucks and I think it goes lower.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:08 PM ET #55

    Thanks Wall.   So if I don't have a margin account then I don't have to worry about this correct?
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    Thanks Wall.   So if I don't have a margin account then I don't have to worry about this correct?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:13 PM ET #56

    I own CDS and it is getting pounded these last 2 days.  Any thoughts you guys have on this one would be appreciated
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    I own CDS and it is getting pounded these last 2 days.  Any thoughts you guys have on this one would be appreciated
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:22 PM ET #57

    Hat,

    Yep..if you arent using margin it does not effect you at all.

    CDS, the market is taking out all stocks and shooting them, but especially higher beta movers. I have seen much worse than this, some I own have been manhandled over the last 5 days.

    Good bounce in CRDC Gunners...I wonder if they take it positive???
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    Hat,

    Yep..if you arent using margin it does not effect you at all.

    CDS, the market is taking out all stocks and shooting them, but especially higher beta movers. I have seen much worse than this, some I own have been manhandled over the last 5 days.

    Good bounce in CRDC Gunners...I wonder if they take it positive???
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #58

    hat... CDS looks very broken.  next level of support is at $5.30 or so.  not looking good.  all trends point down (15min, 60min, daily). 
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    hat... CDS looks very broken.  next level of support is at $5.30 or so.  not looking good.  all trends point down (15min, 60min, daily). 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:26 PM ET #59

    this is about the best thing that could have happened today.  another straight up day probably would have been unhealthy.  They took it down over 10%.  buyers came back, and came back strong.  only down 2.3% as i write this.  very strong reversal. 
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    this is about the best thing that could have happened today.  another straight up day probably would have been unhealthy.  They took it down over 10%.  buyers came back, and came back strong.  only down 2.3% as i write this.  very strong reversal. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:35 PM ET #60

    Down less than 2% now..

    Buyers nibbling, what I like seeing is the lack of sellers, bids are there and sellers arent large on every uptick.
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    Down less than 2% now..

    Buyers nibbling, what I like seeing is the lack of sellers, bids are there and sellers arent large on every uptick.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:53 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

    if CRDC does retrace, i hope it can find support around 8.75-9.25.  enough of this 7 and 6 handle crap. 

     

    Got in at $9.20.  Probably a little much but ended up going in for about half of my usual position size. 

     

    On a side note, got in on DRYS at $78.54 for about half of my usual position size.  I've watched this thing get beat up over the last few days, and in my humble opinion, I think it is about ready for a little upward swing. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

    if CRDC does retrace, i hope it can find support around 8.75-9.25.  enough of this 7 and 6 handle crap. 

     

    Got in at $9.20.  Probably a little much but ended up going in for about half of my usual position size. 

     

    On a side note, got in on DRYS at $78.54 for about half of my usual position size.  I've watched this thing get beat up over the last few days, and in my humble opinion, I think it is about ready for a little upward swing. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 1:56 PM ET #62

    Wake,

    Nothing has changed for DRYS on this 20 pt drop in 5 days..nothing.

    They keep churning cash and this again is pissing me off.

    I am in for a longer play, thus longer options and shares so I am ok but it ticks me off.

    Nice job on CRDC, you are up 6% in one day..not bad.  
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    Wake,

    Nothing has changed for DRYS on this 20 pt drop in 5 days..nothing.

    They keep churning cash and this again is pissing me off.

    I am in for a longer play, thus longer options and shares so I am ok but it ticks me off.

    Nice job on CRDC, you are up 6% in one day..not bad.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 4:20 PM ET #63

    This market is a piece of sh!t, if you can stomach the pain there are some bargains out there..

    CRDC hung in there all afternoon, I am quite pleased with how it closed.
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    This market is a piece of sh!t, if you can stomach the pain there are some bargains out there..

    CRDC hung in there all afternoon, I am quite pleased with how it closed.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 5:07 PM ET #64

    current positions, if anyone cares:
     
    Longs:
     
    FTK
    CRDC
    GU
    MVIS
    CHNG
    NGAS
    SWN (Sept Calls)
    HANS (Sept Calls)
    JOYG (Jan Calls) Entered into this a while ago, so I'm way in the green.  It has become a pair trade now with DE puts. 
    VVUS (June Calls) 1/4 position that is in danger. 
    RIG (July calls) entered into this with a 1/2 position today, Wall.   
     
    Shorts:
    Long FXP (July Calls)
    Long DXD (July Calls)
    DE (July Puts)
     
    Lotsa Cash as well on the sidelines.  about 20% of my portfolio.  This is due to profit taking on shorts lately.  I took profits in XLF puts shorts recently, and QQQQ puts.  also have been picking off profits on FXP and DXD.  I wish i had a few more shorts, but that's ok.  I had PCLN puts the other day, but i sold them already.  they'd be humming right now.
     
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    current positions, if anyone cares:
     
    Longs:
     
    FTK
    CRDC
    GU
    MVIS
    CHNG
    NGAS
    SWN (Sept Calls)
    HANS (Sept Calls)
    JOYG (Jan Calls) Entered into this a while ago, so I'm way in the green.  It has become a pair trade now with DE puts. 
    VVUS (June Calls) 1/4 position that is in danger. 
    RIG (July calls) entered into this with a 1/2 position today, Wall.   
     
    Shorts:
    Long FXP (July Calls)
    Long DXD (July Calls)
    DE (July Puts)
     
    Lotsa Cash as well on the sidelines.  about 20% of my portfolio.  This is due to profit taking on shorts lately.  I took profits in XLF puts shorts recently, and QQQQ puts.  also have been picking off profits on FXP and DXD.  I wish i had a few more shorts, but that's ok.  I had PCLN puts the other day, but i sold them already.  they'd be humming right now.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2008 - 6:16 PM ET #65

    the present state of the US economy
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    the present state of the US economy
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 12:28 PM ET #66

    Gunners,

    Good list and thanks for the update, I like knowing what you guys are doing.

    Not thrilled with the price action on CRDC. The volume is gone and the stock has been slow trickling lower..like a sell on the news sort of action.

    Lets see what happens in the next hour or so, might be wise to have a finger ready if it breaks down. There will be plenty of time to get back in if you wanted out..this one isnt running to the races or anything (IMO)
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    Gunners,

    Good list and thanks for the update, I like knowing what you guys are doing.

    Not thrilled with the price action on CRDC. The volume is gone and the stock has been slow trickling lower..like a sell on the news sort of action.

    Lets see what happens in the next hour or so, might be wise to have a finger ready if it breaks down. There will be plenty of time to get back in if you wanted out..this one isnt running to the races or anything (IMO)
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 1:04 PM ET #67

    I'm not going to do anything fancy with CRDC.  just holding

    I added SPY puts today and SPWR puts. 

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    I'm not going to do anything fancy with CRDC.  just holding

    I added SPY puts today and SPWR puts. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 3:12 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:

     

    On a side note, got in on DRYS at $78.54 for about half of my usual position size.  I've watched this thing get beat up over the last few days, and in my humble opinion, I think it is about ready for a little upward swing. 

    Looks like my humble opinion was just a wrong  opinion.

    Hopefully this chippy from Cantor Fitzgerald knows what she is talking about:

    "The index's reading for Capesize vessels -- the largest drybulk carriers -- fell 16 percent. The average Capesize vessel now costs about $180,000 per day, compared with prices of more than $230,000 per day last week. Capesize vessels are so named because they are too big to fit through the Suez or Panama canals, and must instead sail around the Cape of Good Hope or Cape Horn to travel between oceans.

    Cantor Fitzgerald analyst Natasha Boyden said in an interview the significant drop was the result of Chinese iron ore importers working through their stock piles of the commodity instead of bringing more into the country. With the huge demand for iron ore, steel and other commodities carried by drybulk ships soaring, Boyden said Chinese importers turned to their own supplies as ports clogged and drybulk rates skyrocketed.

    But Fitzgerald noted that the Chinese only have about three to four weeks worth of iron ore stockpiled. After its resources are used up, Boyden said drybulk ships will again be in high demand to deliver goods to the country.

    "This (pull back) is merely temporary," she said. "Painful, but temporary."

    https://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080612/drybulk_baltic_drop.html?.v=2

    In the same article, an analyst from J.P. Morgan predicts that it will get compunded by a lull around the Beijing Olympics.  If he is right, it could be a pretty rough next few months. 

    Anyone have any thoughts?  I thought about doubling to a full position, but the J.P. Morgan analyst worried me a little bit for the short term.  I think I am going to hold off and see how much farther this drops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:

     

    On a side note, got in on DRYS at $78.54 for about half of my usual position size.  I've watched this thing get beat up over the last few days, and in my humble opinion, I think it is about ready for a little upward swing. 

    Looks like my humble opinion was just a wrong  opinion.

    Hopefully this chippy from Cantor Fitzgerald knows what she is talking about:

    "The index's reading for Capesize vessels -- the largest drybulk carriers -- fell 16 percent. The average Capesize vessel now costs about $180,000 per day, compared with prices of more than $230,000 per day last week. Capesize vessels are so named because they are too big to fit through the Suez or Panama canals, and must instead sail around the Cape of Good Hope or Cape Horn to travel between oceans.

    Cantor Fitzgerald analyst Natasha Boyden said in an interview the significant drop was the result of Chinese iron ore importers working through their stock piles of the commodity instead of bringing more into the country. With the huge demand for iron ore, steel and other commodities carried by drybulk ships soaring, Boyden said Chinese importers turned to their own supplies as ports clogged and drybulk rates skyrocketed.

    But Fitzgerald noted that the Chinese only have about three to four weeks worth of iron ore stockpiled. After its resources are used up, Boyden said drybulk ships will again be in high demand to deliver goods to the country.

    "This (pull back) is merely temporary," she said. "Painful, but temporary."

    https://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080612/drybulk_baltic_drop.html?.v=2

    In the same article, an analyst from J.P. Morgan predicts that it will get compunded by a lull around the Beijing Olympics.  If he is right, it could be a pretty rough next few months. 

    Anyone have any thoughts?  I thought about doubling to a full position, but the J.P. Morgan analyst worried me a little bit for the short term.  I think I am going to hold off and see how much farther this drops

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 3:19 PM ET #69

    YHOO shareholders must be so pissed right now.  YHOO management is the worst.  should have sold to MSFT. 
     
    CRDC ended up acting pretty well today. 
     
    SPWR puts
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    SPY puts bought these at the highs of the day for the SPY
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    YHOO shareholders must be so pissed right now.  YHOO management is the worst.  should have sold to MSFT. 
     
    CRDC ended up acting pretty well today. 
     
    SPWR puts
    DE puts
    SPY puts bought these at the highs of the day for the SPY
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 3:33 PM ET #70

    Wake,

    DRYS has been going down down down since their last great earnings report.

    Currently the market is pricing them as if the BDI is going to 5k again, or worse.

    It is pissing me off but I am not going anywhere..it is a disaster though as are all shipper stocks.

    Market sure took it across the chops again..brutal reversal.
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    Wake,

    DRYS has been going down down down since their last great earnings report.

    Currently the market is pricing them as if the BDI is going to 5k again, or worse.

    It is pissing me off but I am not going anywhere..it is a disaster though as are all shipper stocks.

    Market sure took it across the chops again..brutal reversal.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 3:42 PM ET #71

    DRYS should be a good buy below $60.
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    DRYS should be a good buy below $60.
     
    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 3:44 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    DRYS should be a good buy below $60.


    Yep..that would price it at 3 times earnings. Lots of growth stocks are trading at 3 times earnings and 2 times cash.




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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    DRYS should be a good buy below $60.


    Yep..that would price it at 3 times earnings. Lots of growth stocks are trading at 3 times earnings and 2 times cash.




     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #73

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37pal-PYTUQ
     
    Hilarious, but true.
     
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37pal-PYTUQ
     
    Hilarious, but true.
     
     
     
    AZGrinder
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 8:05 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Yep..that would price it at 3 times earnings. Lots of growth stocks are trading at 3 times earnings and 2 times cash.





    I'm in the drys sept 90's calls.  My order filled today at 4.90 (only 2 contracts).  
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Yep..that would price it at 3 times earnings. Lots of growth stocks are trading at 3 times earnings and 2 times cash.





    I'm in the drys sept 90's calls.  My order filled today at 4.90 (only 2 contracts).  
     
     
    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2008 - 8:09 PM ET #75

    Grinder,

    I really thought the market understood the stock and moves like the last two weeks was over..I was wrong.

    I have some Sept 115s (I think) that are toast..but I also have some 120s for 2010 that I feel good about, I just need more money to load up since I was so darn early.
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    Grinder,

    I really thought the market understood the stock and moves like the last two weeks was over..I was wrong.

    I have some Sept 115s (I think) that are toast..but I also have some 120s for 2010 that I feel good about, I just need more money to load up since I was so darn early.
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