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    LeRinkRat
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 3:29 PM ET #76

    This is crazy. Will probably end the day in the green.
     
    starting to look like the classic "washout-reversal", at least short term, even IF we don't finish actually up on the day. in any case, I think we are STILL in a bear market. the fed's balls are going to fall off trying to hold this mess up and it just accelerates the inflation.
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    This is crazy. Will probably end the day in the green.
     
    starting to look like the classic "washout-reversal", at least short term, even IF we don't finish actually up on the day. in any case, I think we are STILL in a bear market. the fed's balls are going to fall off trying to hold this mess up and it just accelerates the inflation.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 3:39 PM ET #77

    Somebody seems to really want to see the Dow positive.  Naz still off and the broader market, but would make quite a headline.
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    Somebody seems to really want to see the Dow positive.  Naz still off and the broader market, but would make quite a headline.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 3:48 PM ET #78

    I dont think they get there today..

    Too bad because if they DID go positive it would have been a tremendous deal technically.

    Anyone see the solars????

    WOW


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    I dont think they get there today..

    Too bad because if they DID go positive it would have been a tremendous deal technically.

    Anyone see the solars????

    WOW


     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 3:52 PM ET #79

    Wow, quite a 1 day rally. I would have to agrre with LRR, definetly a Bear Market. I look for B of A and Wachovia to take a dump in the coming days. Both have repots of 4th quarter earning plumitting and both have gains on the day because of the feds slashing the rate. Similar to the last mid session rate cut when Countrywide saw moderate gains because of the fed delaying the inevitable.......
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    Wow, quite a 1 day rally. I would have to agrre with LRR, definetly a Bear Market. I look for B of A and Wachovia to take a dump in the coming days. Both have repots of 4th quarter earning plumitting and both have gains on the day because of the feds slashing the rate. Similar to the last mid session rate cut when Countrywide saw moderate gains because of the fed delaying the inevitable.......
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 4:25 PM ET #80

    I sold my inverse ETF positions in DUG and FXP at the close and bought a small position in SKF at the close.  i agree with you JTHollywood.  i think bofa and wachovia go lower and drive SKF higher tomorrow.  if not, i will average down, because these banks aren't done reporting bad earnings and bad news.  i heard of more MER layoffs coming as well. 
     
    i have won huge via trading FXP lately.  I've traded it from 73 to 93 (could have been 97) and now from 84 to 99 (could have been 108).  if china rallies off these two terrible down days, i will look to buy back into FXP.
     
    DUG i went from 38.18 to 48.35. 
     
    I am still holding SMN at 50. 
     
    These inverse ETFs sure are fun in a bear market
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    I sold my inverse ETF positions in DUG and FXP at the close and bought a small position in SKF at the close.  i agree with you JTHollywood.  i think bofa and wachovia go lower and drive SKF higher tomorrow.  if not, i will average down, because these banks aren't done reporting bad earnings and bad news.  i heard of more MER layoffs coming as well. 
     
    i have won huge via trading FXP lately.  I've traded it from 73 to 93 (could have been 97) and now from 84 to 99 (could have been 108).  if china rallies off these two terrible down days, i will look to buy back into FXP.
     
    DUG i went from 38.18 to 48.35. 
     
    I am still holding SMN at 50. 
     
    These inverse ETFs sure are fun in a bear market
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 5:04 PM ET #81

    Wow AAPL slighly down in after hours to say the least. Did not quite meet earnings. Down 15 to around 140
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    Wow AAPL slighly down in after hours to say the least. Did not quite meet earnings. Down 15 to around 140
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 5:09 PM ET #82

    AAPL warned, getting hit down 15 in after hours, all tech getting hit.

    Tech is cooked for a while now.  
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    AAPL warned, getting hit down 15 in after hours, all tech getting hit.

    Tech is cooked for a while now.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #83

    I like what larry kudlow had to say this morning on the opening bell or whatever the early show on CNBC is. He was talking about ways to stimulate economic growth and help the market from plumetting into the shitter (and yes he said shitter). Well his biggest point was doing away with capital gains taxes. He said it's crazy how we are being taxed two or even more times on our dollar and eliminating capital gains tax would encourage people to invest more in the market. He said it is a long shot of happening but that would be the best way to encourage investing in a volatile market. Like most "experts" say the fed took too long to react  to the credit and housing crisis and not much can take place to prevent the inevitable.
     
    One thing I hope that does happen but not sure how much it will help but that Fannie Mae raises it's conforming amount above the current $417,000. they have discussed about doing it according to market prices. meaning areas where the median house price is higher than others the conforming amount would adjust with those prices and so forth......
     
    Any thoughts..........
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    I like what larry kudlow had to say this morning on the opening bell or whatever the early show on CNBC is. He was talking about ways to stimulate economic growth and help the market from plumetting into the shitter (and yes he said shitter). Well his biggest point was doing away with capital gains taxes. He said it's crazy how we are being taxed two or even more times on our dollar and eliminating capital gains tax would encourage people to invest more in the market. He said it is a long shot of happening but that would be the best way to encourage investing in a volatile market. Like most "experts" say the fed took too long to react  to the credit and housing crisis and not much can take place to prevent the inevitable.
     
    One thing I hope that does happen but not sure how much it will help but that Fannie Mae raises it's conforming amount above the current $417,000. they have discussed about doing it according to market prices. meaning areas where the median house price is higher than others the conforming amount would adjust with those prices and so forth......
     
    Any thoughts..........
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 6:58 PM ET #84

    IMO domestic inflows arent what is supporting the markets, so capital gain elimination isnt going to help all that much.

    To me what is supporting and now hurting the markets is institutional flows and FOREIGN investors..if the "world" outside the US is in trouble, investors looking to put capital to work using our cheap bucks are going to hold back and that will hurt the markets more than the little guy getting dinged on taxes at the end of the year.

    Also not sure that Fannie raising the regular loan limit and extending it out so the terms arent "jumbo" wont help that much either. Prices need to settle in and inventories need to come down..in my area new builders are just chomping at the bit to unload inventory and on any uptick they are going to be selling like crazy, that will keep depressing the resale market down here.

    Even with rates at AWESOME levels, it isnt helping the housing market..looks like we are in for a few years of famine with the economy and housing prices.

    If I had free capital I would immediately start looking at places like SanFran and try and snag an awesome deal on a foreclosure because you know certain areas in the country will hang in there and if you buy right, the upside is HUGE in areas like that.     
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    IMO domestic inflows arent what is supporting the markets, so capital gain elimination isnt going to help all that much.

    To me what is supporting and now hurting the markets is institutional flows and FOREIGN investors..if the "world" outside the US is in trouble, investors looking to put capital to work using our cheap bucks are going to hold back and that will hurt the markets more than the little guy getting dinged on taxes at the end of the year.

    Also not sure that Fannie raising the regular loan limit and extending it out so the terms arent "jumbo" wont help that much either. Prices need to settle in and inventories need to come down..in my area new builders are just chomping at the bit to unload inventory and on any uptick they are going to be selling like crazy, that will keep depressing the resale market down here.

    Even with rates at AWESOME levels, it isnt helping the housing market..looks like we are in for a few years of famine with the economy and housing prices.

    If I had free capital I would immediately start looking at places like SanFran and try and snag an awesome deal on a foreclosure because you know certain areas in the country will hang in there and if you buy right, the upside is HUGE in areas like that.     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2008 - 10:54 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    WSC-
     
     
    Down 100?  Care to make a puucy "gentleman's bet" on that one?  I'll set the down total at -400 and say lower. 

    Looks like a down 100 day was right, WSC.  Well done.  I didn't think the FOMC would panic like that, but I am not upset that they did......cause if "Scholar Ben" had fled to his economic theory textbooks, then we could've easily had a down 2000 point day today.

    Nonetheless, anyone with a brain knows today was nothing but another sucker's short covering rally and has no legs.

    This shit is so scary.  It really is.  My advice is to get long cash and close out long positions until the storm passes.....we got a whole lot more storm coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    WSC-
     
     
    Down 100?  Care to make a puucy "gentleman's bet" on that one?  I'll set the down total at -400 and say lower. 

    Looks like a down 100 day was right, WSC.  Well done.  I didn't think the FOMC would panic like that, but I am not upset that they did......cause if "Scholar Ben" had fled to his economic theory textbooks, then we could've easily had a down 2000 point day today.

    Nonetheless, anyone with a brain knows today was nothing but another sucker's short covering rally and has no legs.

    This shit is so scary.  It really is.  My advice is to get long cash and close out long positions until the storm passes.....we got a whole lot more storm coming.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 12:02 AM ET #86

    CC,

    You are always an extremist, but you had it right about HOW far down it would go..I didnt think they would take it down 500, and it took a strong FED act to get her back.

    I do think even without the FED cut that the market comes back to some degree..but lets call it a draw and say both parties were part right.


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    CC,

    You are always an extremist, but you had it right about HOW far down it would go..I didnt think they would take it down 500, and it took a strong FED act to get her back.

    I do think even without the FED cut that the market comes back to some degree..but lets call it a draw and say both parties were part right.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 12:32 AM ET #87


    These inverse ETFs sure are fun in a bear market


    You have that right Gunners!! Definitely a nice addition to the limited arsenal of the small investor to me at least. Never felt comfortable shorting individual stocks(although I am getting more so daily) but indexes..no problems.

     I also am happy for gold etfs...added liquidity and while some think it will be a source of hedge fund led volatility, I think they will be a source of stability. GLD owns more gold thn China does, if I red correctly...

     Anyway, America will continue to make unfunded promises and try to pay them with ever decreasing in value dollars.And not a single sign of less dependence on foreign oil in sight.



     
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    These inverse ETFs sure are fun in a bear market


    You have that right Gunners!! Definitely a nice addition to the limited arsenal of the small investor to me at least. Never felt comfortable shorting individual stocks(although I am getting more so daily) but indexes..no problems.

     I also am happy for gold etfs...added liquidity and while some think it will be a source of hedge fund led volatility, I think they will be a source of stability. GLD owns more gold thn China does, if I red correctly...

     Anyway, America will continue to make unfunded promises and try to pay them with ever decreasing in value dollars.And not a single sign of less dependence on foreign oil in sight.



     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 7:25 AM ET #88

    larry kudlow

    djia futures down another 115 this morning

    in for another rough day...chicago merc is trying to price in a 50 bp cut from next weeks meeting

    3% rates
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    larry kudlow

    djia futures down another 115 this morning

    in for another rough day...chicago merc is trying to price in a 50 bp cut from next weeks meeting

    3% rates
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 9:47 AM ET #89

    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    I like what larry kudlow had to say this morning on the opening bell or whatever the early show on CNBC is. He was talking about ways to stimulate economic growth and help the market from plumetting into the shitter (and yes he said shitter). Well his biggest point was doing away with capital gains taxes. He said it's crazy how we are being taxed two or even more times on our dollar and eliminating capital gains tax would encourage people to invest more in the market. He said it is a long shot of happening but that would be the best way to encourage investing in a volatile market. Like most "experts" say the fed took too long to react  to the credit and housing crisis and not much can take place to prevent the inevitable.
     
    One thing I hope that does happen but not sure how much it will help but that Fannie Mae raises it's conforming amount above the current $417,000. they have discussed about doing it according to market prices. meaning areas where the median house price is higher than others the conforming amount would adjust with those prices and so forth......
     
    Any thoughts..........


    Oh yeah sure Americans aren't investing in stocks because of the 15% tax on gains.  Gimme a break!  How about if they eliminated the cap gains tax tomorrow people would sell their winners like crazy now that they wouldn't owe tax.  The small cap gains tax isn't inhibiting any investing.  Nice he'd rather tax hard-earned wages more.  Tax has to come from somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    I like what larry kudlow had to say this morning on the opening bell or whatever the early show on CNBC is. He was talking about ways to stimulate economic growth and help the market from plumetting into the shitter (and yes he said shitter). Well his biggest point was doing away with capital gains taxes. He said it's crazy how we are being taxed two or even more times on our dollar and eliminating capital gains tax would encourage people to invest more in the market. He said it is a long shot of happening but that would be the best way to encourage investing in a volatile market. Like most "experts" say the fed took too long to react  to the credit and housing crisis and not much can take place to prevent the inevitable.
     
    One thing I hope that does happen but not sure how much it will help but that Fannie Mae raises it's conforming amount above the current $417,000. they have discussed about doing it according to market prices. meaning areas where the median house price is higher than others the conforming amount would adjust with those prices and so forth......
     
    Any thoughts..........


    Oh yeah sure Americans aren't investing in stocks because of the 15% tax on gains.  Gimme a break!  How about if they eliminated the cap gains tax tomorrow people would sell their winners like crazy now that they wouldn't owe tax.  The small cap gains tax isn't inhibiting any investing.  Nice he'd rather tax hard-earned wages more.  Tax has to come from somewhere.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 9:48 AM ET #90

    jt - fannie and freddie wont raise the 417k cap

    they cant keep their books straight, no chance the OMB will allow them to take more money under mgmt
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    jt - fannie and freddie wont raise the 417k cap

    they cant keep their books straight, no chance the OMB will allow them to take more money under mgmt
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 10:29 AM ET #91

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    jt - fannie and freddie wont raise the 417k cap

    they cant keep their books straight, no chance the OMB will allow them to take more money under mgmt


      You have that righ KOAJ...they have not demonstrated any skills, and I would not like seeing that at all...
     

      From an ezine: if he is correct (and he may be) any stocks on the watch list????

      Bottom line: stocks are bloody cheap. The Fed meets again on the 30th of Jan and we will likely see another 25, maybe even a 50 basis point cut, which would be a good thing. Commodity prices are starting back off as they begin to price in a US slowdown/recession and that should put a short term lid on inflation talk.

    Long story short, at a minimum, we will have a very tradeable rally. I think it’s too early to tell if that rally should be sold into or not. A lot will depend on the preliminary US GDP numbers which are due out next week. If we get a decent GDP number, meaning 1.00% – 1.50% growth, along with a 50 basis point rate cut, then you’ve got the basis to support a very large rally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    jt - fannie and freddie wont raise the 417k cap

    they cant keep their books straight, no chance the OMB will allow them to take more money under mgmt


      You have that righ KOAJ...they have not demonstrated any skills, and I would not like seeing that at all...
     

      From an ezine: if he is correct (and he may be) any stocks on the watch list????

      Bottom line: stocks are bloody cheap. The Fed meets again on the 30th of Jan and we will likely see another 25, maybe even a 50 basis point cut, which would be a good thing. Commodity prices are starting back off as they begin to price in a US slowdown/recession and that should put a short term lid on inflation talk.

    Long story short, at a minimum, we will have a very tradeable rally. I think it’s too early to tell if that rally should be sold into or not. A lot will depend on the preliminary US GDP numbers which are due out next week. If we get a decent GDP number, meaning 1.00% – 1.50% growth, along with a 50 basis point rate cut, then you’ve got the basis to support a very large rally.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 10:37 AM ET #92

    I bought some more SKF today at $115.  I also initiated a position in SCC at $98.85 (short consumer services).
     
    I also finally initiated my position in HANS at $39.35.  i like this one long term, and would trade it for a bounce, but i'd more likely hold this for a while.  I'm going to play a 10% down, 20% up game on this one, as WallStreetCappers has suggested in the past.
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    I bought some more SKF today at $115.  I also initiated a position in SCC at $98.85 (short consumer services).
     
    I also finally initiated my position in HANS at $39.35.  i like this one long term, and would trade it for a bounce, but i'd more likely hold this for a while.  I'm going to play a 10% down, 20% up game on this one, as WallStreetCappers has suggested in the past.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 11:54 AM ET #93

    GOOG down 40 bucks plus, AAPL down 25, FSLR down 25, BIDU down 20.

    To think I scoffed at 300 puts on BIDU when it was almost 400..thinking it was too expensive.

    Interesting that some financials are doing fine today and I didnt take the risk on MBI like mentioned, but it is almost a double off the bottom.

    This is all tech today..much more than I expected.

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    GOOG down 40 bucks plus, AAPL down 25, FSLR down 25, BIDU down 20.

    To think I scoffed at 300 puts on BIDU when it was almost 400..thinking it was too expensive.

    Interesting that some financials are doing fine today and I didnt take the risk on MBI like mentioned, but it is almost a double off the bottom.

    This is all tech today..much more than I expected.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 12:09 PM ET #94

    it is interesting about these financials staying strong.  i don't think it lasts the week, though, and i've put my money where my mouth is via SKF. 
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    it is interesting about these financials staying strong.  i don't think it lasts the week, though, and i've put my money where my mouth is via SKF. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:02 PM ET #95

    i dont get how the financials are running unless theyve already priced in another 50bp cut
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    i dont get how the financials are running unless theyve already priced in another 50bp cut
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:11 PM ET #96

    All this negativity might be signalling a bottom for the group.


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    All this negativity might be signalling a bottom for the group.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:18 PM ET #97

    Look at the builders..nice moves off the lows from a week or so ago, TOL to 19 and change..HOV over 7.50

    I needed 100k to build some of these group mutual funds I wanted.


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    Look at the builders..nice moves off the lows from a week or so ago, TOL to 19 and change..HOV over 7.50

    I needed 100k to build some of these group mutual funds I wanted.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:27 PM ET #98

    len and ryl report after the bell today and before the bell tomorrow

    wonder what they;ll say
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    len and ryl report after the bell today and before the bell tomorrow

    wonder what they;ll say
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    len and ryl report after the bell today and before the bell tomorrow

    wonder what they;ll say

    I wonder if it is worth betting against them with SRS after this pullback.  what are these homebuilders going to say?  that they think they will build a lot more this year?  no way

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    len and ryl report after the bell today and before the bell tomorrow

    wonder what they;ll say

    I wonder if it is worth betting against them with SRS after this pullback.  what are these homebuilders going to say?  that they think they will build a lot more this year?  no way

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2008 - 1:39 PM ET #100

    nevermind.  SRS is mostly commercial real estate.  still might be reflective though. 
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    nevermind.  SRS is mostly commercial real estate.  still might be reflective though. 
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