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    What draws extreme primal anger from you in this world we live in/and why.

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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 10:33 PM ET #1

    Going with world wide death, abuse, killing and horrific things that happen to children.

    Geeezus kriste, they don't have a chance, especially in a war.. Bob Simon's tribute on 60 Minutes covered his most awful moment as a journalist in Vietnam will never leave a man. Don't watch it.

     

    Million other anger spots - what's yours.

     

     

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    Going with world wide death, abuse, killing and horrific things that happen to children.

    Geeezus kriste, they don't have a chance, especially in a war.. Bob Simon's tribute on 60 Minutes covered his most awful moment as a journalist in Vietnam will never leave a man. Don't watch it.

     

    Million other anger spots - what's yours.

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 11:05 PM ET #2

    ....... and Scalabrine brings up racism in......

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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 11:22 PM ET #3

    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     

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    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 11:23 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    ....... and Scalabrine brings up racism in......

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    And why not?

    Don't all the posters here do the same on every occasion they can?

    Look at JeffMarketCap with his "Baltimore In-Game" thread.

    Did you think that was about a baseball game?

    We knew what it was about...and all the bigots followed suit gleefully posting away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    ....... and Scalabrine brings up racism in......

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    And why not?

    Don't all the posters here do the same on every occasion they can?

    Look at JeffMarketCap with his "Baltimore In-Game" thread.

    Did you think that was about a baseball game?

    We knew what it was about...and all the bigots followed suit gleefully posting away.

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 11:42 PM ET #5

    Scal, do you have some experience you'de like to share? What happened????? I am more than than willing to share my stories overseas but I'm sure nobody would like to read any of it.

    Help us help you man..  Just dunno where this intense depth comes from.

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    Scal, do you have some experience you'de like to share? What happened????? I am more than than willing to share my stories overseas but I'm sure nobody would like to read any of it.

    Help us help you man..  Just dunno where this intense depth comes from.

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2015 - 11:47 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Scal, do you have some experience you'de like to share? What happened????? I am more than than willing to share my stories overseas but I'm sure nobody would like to read any of it.

    Help us help you man..  Just dunno where this intense depth comes from.

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Scal, do you have some experience you'de like to share? What happened????? I am more than than willing to share my stories overseas but I'm sure nobody would like to read any of it.

    Help us help you man..  Just dunno where this intense depth comes from.

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2015 - 12:05 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

    Only skimming the surface but I have seen children and adults beaten, abused, shot and taken away from the the beginnings of death squads in El Salvador to the end. Mexico City, Guatamla, Venezuela, Honuduras, Cuba, Uganda, Ethopia, Uganda, DMR Congo, South Africa tin city......I'll stop there but it goes on and on. I've taken in lone moms in Argentina with dehydrated starving kids in entering from Paraguay without a pair of shoes.....Let me tell ya - there is a boatload of sadness in my heart for all human beings.Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Terrible things are happening and there are others that would like to also respond to the thread.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

    Only skimming the surface but I have seen children and adults beaten, abused, shot and taken away from the the beginnings of death squads in El Salvador to the end. Mexico City, Guatamla, Venezuela, Honuduras, Cuba, Uganda, Ethopia, Uganda, DMR Congo, South Africa tin city......I'll stop there but it goes on and on. I've taken in lone moms in Argentina with dehydrated starving kids in entering from Paraguay without a pair of shoes.....Let me tell ya - there is a boatload of sadness in my heart for all human beings.Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Terrible things are happening and there are others that would like to also respond to the thread.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2015 - 12:22 AM ET #9

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    Liberals that " connect to virtually every experience they see/hear/read about" but God forbid if any of them really experienced what many other have they'd scream like banshees.

     

     

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    Liberals that " connect to virtually every experience they see/hear/read about" but God forbid if any of them really experienced what many other have they'd scream like banshees.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

    PM me bro.......let's talk......maybe we can help each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I connect to virtually every experience I see/hear/read about. Let's just say "I care."

    Most here....could give 2 shi*s...

    PM me bro.......let's talk......maybe we can help each other.
     
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    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

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    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     

    Good thing youre not a cop or in charge of cops....crime rates would SKYROCKET 
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     

    Good thing youre not a cop or in charge of cops....crime rates would SKYROCKET 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     


    You fail to mention that particular toy gun comes with bright orange barrel markings which had been removed.  

    You fail to mention that when the police pulled up to the scene they asked Rice to hold up his hands, instead he reached for his waist where he had the gun stashed.
       
    You fail to mention that Rice was 5'7" 195lbs, so he could easily be mistaken for an adult.

    You brush off the fact that Rice was walking around the park with his arm extended pointing the gun at people.


    It's almost like you're saying that it's ok for this kid to walk around waving a gun just because he's black.   

    You pretend that it matters what the color of the skin of the person who called the police was.   Should people just ignore someone walking around waving a gun?   
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Well folks,

    The death and abuse of children matter... except when they are black children who become hotbed issues of race and police killings in the US.

    See, the police killed a 12 year old named Tamir Rice in Ohio.

    "But Tamir Rice was waving a 'gun' around!" They'll retort.

    Unfortunately for them, Ohio is an open carry state.

    Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. The open-carry of firearms by those who legally possess the firearm is a legal activity in Ohio with or without a license.

    Ya see, it's not unusual to see guns given that. That is the culture in Ohio.

    Of course, a child has neither a license nor a right to carry a real handgun but this was of course, a toy. And it was a toy in state where adults open carry. So none of this is unusual for a child to wave a gun (like tens of millions of others, or in a state where adults open carry).

    It wasn't unusual ...except of course to the man who called 911 on a 12 year old, playing with a toy gun (but of course, when the child is black, that gun becomes quite real. I won't even bother to mention the race of the caller).

    So the cops pull up and within 2 seconds shoot Tamir in the chest.

    Then they let him bleed out and refuse to administer CPR...to a 12 year old. He might be a threat ya know?

    Then they tackle his sister who came to give aid and threw her in the back of a police car to watch him die.

    Then they falsify their police reports on the entire ordeal.

    Then, till this day, the cop who shot Tamir, has never been fully interviewed about that day, further corrupting a case that will come to trial and that will likely not lead to an indictment, like Eric Garner, and Michael Brown and the cop who pumped 15 shots into a windshield on two unarmed blacks.

    If it does lead to an indictment? The posters here say it will be 'to calm the masses' (that is, the black 'rioting' masses because that is how they see all protestors).

    What is the point of me writing all this?

    Well Search, an unabashed racist on this site (and I have many a quote from him to support such an accusation) says the horrific things that happen to children draws his extreme primal anger...

    It sure does...when those children are unnamed and unconnected to race in this country.

    But as soon as someone like Tamir Rice comes up (and I've mentioned him in threads he was prevalent in many times before) he literally had nothing to say. I wonder why?

    Because Tamir Rice is largely worthless to him well because...well we know why.

    Anyhow, carry on with your primal anger search...or whatever you do with your Friday nights.

     


    You fail to mention that particular toy gun comes with bright orange barrel markings which had been removed.  

    You fail to mention that when the police pulled up to the scene they asked Rice to hold up his hands, instead he reached for his waist where he had the gun stashed.
       
    You fail to mention that Rice was 5'7" 195lbs, so he could easily be mistaken for an adult.

    You brush off the fact that Rice was walking around the park with his arm extended pointing the gun at people.


    It's almost like you're saying that it's ok for this kid to walk around waving a gun just because he's black.   

    You pretend that it matters what the color of the skin of the person who called the police was.   Should people just ignore someone walking around waving a gun?   
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

    You cant post so many facts in one thread. Not fair for Scals fantasy that all blacks that are killed are innocent and all white cops are racist.
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    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

    You cant post so many facts in one thread. Not fair for Scals fantasy that all blacks that are killed are innocent and all white cops are racist.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Only skimming the surface but I have seen children and adults beaten, abused, shot and taken away from the the beginnings of death squads in El Salvador to the end. Mexico City, Guatamla, Venezuela, Honuduras, Cuba, Uganda, Ethopia, Uganda, DMR Congo, South Africa tin city......I'll stop there but it goes on and on. I've taken in lone moms in Argentina with dehydrated starving kids in entering from Paraguay without a pair of shoes.....Let me tell ya - there is a boatload of sadness in my heart for all human beings.Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Terrible things are happening and there are others that would like to also respond to the thread.

     

    Wow, you started out like a normal human being and then...

    Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Not sure if we read the same threads here. Wait, I'm sure. We don't and/or, you skim over the unsavory parts.

    Get the straightjacket out and somebody roll the gurney towards this guy. The men in the white coats are coming for you Search.

     

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    Only skimming the surface but I have seen children and adults beaten, abused, shot and taken away from the the beginnings of death squads in El Salvador to the end. Mexico City, Guatamla, Venezuela, Honuduras, Cuba, Uganda, Ethopia, Uganda, DMR Congo, South Africa tin city......I'll stop there but it goes on and on. I've taken in lone moms in Argentina with dehydrated starving kids in entering from Paraguay without a pair of shoes.....Let me tell ya - there is a boatload of sadness in my heart for all human beings.Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Terrible things are happening and there are others that would like to also respond to the thread.

     

    Wow, you started out like a normal human being and then...

    Think I speak for every member of Covers because they are a sophisticated and compassionate bunch.

    Not sure if we read the same threads here. Wait, I'm sure. We don't and/or, you skim over the unsavory parts.

    Get the straightjacket out and somebody roll the gurney towards this guy. The men in the white coats are coming for you Search.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Scalabrine 

    Probably one of only 3 to 4 guys on covers (yes, 3 to 4 and that's it!) that 'gets it'.

    And that is why I came up with the term 'homogeneous masses'. Because you are all one and the same and regurgitate all your bigotry out of your own mouths and into others endlessly in GD. And then that guy regurgitates his bigotry. And then the next and the next and next....

    If you didn't know this was General Discussion, you'd think we were live narrating Animal Planet with a mother sparrow and her hatchlings.

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    Scalabrine 

    Probably one of only 3 to 4 guys on covers (yes, 3 to 4 and that's it!) that 'gets it'.

    And that is why I came up with the term 'homogeneous masses'. Because you are all one and the same and regurgitate all your bigotry out of your own mouths and into others endlessly in GD. And then that guy regurgitates his bigotry. And then the next and the next and next....

    If you didn't know this was General Discussion, you'd think we were live narrating Animal Planet with a mother sparrow and her hatchlings.

     
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    Search -- the examples you mention are extreme and obviously hot button issues for everybody (or I should hope so).

    I would like to present a less extreme situation that you see almost daily that gets my blood boiling.

    1) Parents who smoke in front of their young kids. In the car is an obvious example. But I have seen many outside with their kid in a stroller and the parent is taking a smoke break but is standing right over the stroller.... HEY A-HOLE how about you walk away about 10 steps???

    2) Seeing an obese family in the grocery store with very obese children in tow. The cart is almost always inevitably full of junk. Chips, doughnuts, ramen noodles, soda, candy etc... Lots of factors involved but at least try to give the kid a fighting chance.   



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    Search -- the examples you mention are extreme and obviously hot button issues for everybody (or I should hope so).

    I would like to present a less extreme situation that you see almost daily that gets my blood boiling.

    1) Parents who smoke in front of their young kids. In the car is an obvious example. But I have seen many outside with their kid in a stroller and the parent is taking a smoke break but is standing right over the stroller.... HEY A-HOLE how about you walk away about 10 steps???

    2) Seeing an obese family in the grocery store with very obese children in tow. The cart is almost always inevitably full of junk. Chips, doughnuts, ramen noodles, soda, candy etc... Lots of factors involved but at least try to give the kid a fighting chance.   



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

    Pointing it at people.

     

    See this is where things get bizarre and you as a white male, defer completely to the caller who shi* his pants because he saw a black child with a gun (and the caller of course, was white).

    We have the video of him with the gun and the park he is in and it nearly desolate. He certainly IS pointing the gun. But where and at whom?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw

    Yes he is pointing the gun but how do we know it is 'at people', in what appears to be a park without many people at all. ALL we have is a caller saying that is the case. And where are the other people calling 911 saying a kid is pointing a gun at that, ya know the threat that got him killed? The original caller didn't even have the gun pointed at him!

    Why wasn't he pointing it at the guy sitting behind him? Did that ever occur to you? I mean, it is on tape is it not?

    Or was it just that 'the caller' was 'being scared the shi*' out of because the kid was black and he had a hoodie (like someone in my avatar).

    Now when I say this, it ENRAGES the bigots because it suggests the entire premise is based on racial bias WHICH THEY CANNOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT.

    And this is the reality for virtually EVERY black American every day that posters here will NEVER experience or understand.

    And this is AFTER a cop shot him in the chest after 2 seconds without warning and then falsified the report on the shooting.

    Would you like to speak to the cop falsifying his report? Or do we want to engage about him pointing it at people first?

    Because when we are done with the latter, I will address the former and have your head spinning like you were Linda Blair in the Exorcist.

    It's your choice.

    I'd keep my mouth shut or have sufficient argumentation to talk to someone who can run circles around you.

    So be careful who you are addressing and what exactly you are posting about when it comes to an issue of life and death of a 12 year old. This isn't Clippers Spurs kid.

    You may look the fool...or the raging bigot...or both.

    Never mind, you've accomplished both already.

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    Scalabrine,

    The open carry argument you presented is absolutely ridiculous. The kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at people. What kind of kid would be this stupid? If my son did this… my son would be glad to be dead because I would have whooped his @ss to death for being that damn stupid.

    According to the law, a person is justified in using deadly force against another if a reasonable person in the actors situation would have acted in the same fashion. This is why the officer will be found to have acted in a justifiable manner. Any reasonable minded person would have done the same thing placed in the exact circumstance as the officer. The officer chose to use deadly force so he could go home to his family at the end of the day. I would have done the same because I am what the laws defines as a reasonable minded person.

    The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. Watch the killed in the line of duty faces of death videos. I can post some if you wish. The videos show officers being killed on the job. The screams of the officers haunt all those who watch them. These videos are shown at police academies for educational purposes.

    As I said in the other thread, police view Rice's sister as a “supportive spectator.” Police take a Use of Force course in the police academy and are taught that supportive spectators are a serious threat. People cannot just burst onto a crime scene, unless they are EMTs, firefighters, or police officers. The officer is trained to protect the crime scene and to be fearful of supportive spectators.

    Kids, huh? The crime rates for juveniles in 2014: Murder: 609 Rape: 1,944 Robbery: 22,938 Assault:  35,736 Total: 61,227…

    … Police in the academy are informed of the Westside Middle School massacre as a lesson…

    Police are shown this picture: https://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/61/eqk6etgy_opt%281%29.jpg

    The officers are asked if the children posed a threat based on the photo alone. The officers all shout to the instructor “absolutely not.” The instructor reveals that Mitchell Johnson (13 years old) and Andrew Golden (11 years old) were two white kids that killed a total of five people: four students and a teacher. Ten other people, nine students and one teacher, were injured. Police are shown the gruesome photos of crimes committed by children. This is why you see police act so aggressive towards kids. Police are exposed to the reality that kids and adults are capable of the same actions.  

    Police take a firearms training course in the academy. Officers are trained to assume that all weapons they encounter are real. Officers are trained that anyone can pose a threat with a gun regardless of age, race, or sex. Officers are given "to shoot or not to shoot" scenarios. Officers must make an instantaneous decision on whether to use deadly force or not. A criminal holding a gun tells the officer, “don’t shoot, it’s a toy,” when the officer relaxes, the person fires at the officer. This simulation is used to teach officers to assume all threats and weapons are real.

    No way MLK would stand behind those animals. All those people you feel sorrow for deserved to die.

    Pointing it at people.

     

    See this is where things get bizarre and you as a white male, defer completely to the caller who shi* his pants because he saw a black child with a gun (and the caller of course, was white).

    We have the video of him with the gun and the park he is in and it nearly desolate. He certainly IS pointing the gun. But where and at whom?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw

    Yes he is pointing the gun but how do we know it is 'at people', in what appears to be a park without many people at all. ALL we have is a caller saying that is the case. And where are the other people calling 911 saying a kid is pointing a gun at that, ya know the threat that got him killed? The original caller didn't even have the gun pointed at him!

    Why wasn't he pointing it at the guy sitting behind him? Did that ever occur to you? I mean, it is on tape is it not?

    Or was it just that 'the caller' was 'being scared the shi*' out of because the kid was black and he had a hoodie (like someone in my avatar).

    Now when I say this, it ENRAGES the bigots because it suggests the entire premise is based on racial bias WHICH THEY CANNOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT.

    And this is the reality for virtually EVERY black American every day that posters here will NEVER experience or understand.

    And this is AFTER a cop shot him in the chest after 2 seconds without warning and then falsified the report on the shooting.

    Would you like to speak to the cop falsifying his report? Or do we want to engage about him pointing it at people first?

    Because when we are done with the latter, I will address the former and have your head spinning like you were Linda Blair in the Exorcist.

    It's your choice.

    I'd keep my mouth shut or have sufficient argumentation to talk to someone who can run circles around you.

    So be careful who you are addressing and what exactly you are posting about when it comes to an issue of life and death of a 12 year old. This isn't Clippers Spurs kid.

    You may look the fool...or the raging bigot...or both.

    Never mind, you've accomplished both already.

     
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    I'd respond to Scal's race baiting comments but I'll get boxed... Real nice that we're only allowed to have a 1-way discussion...

    Baltimore-in Game was perfect for what is going on there... Ask the business owners how great it is.

    Question to everyone here that's white: If your brother was killed by a black cop would you riot/loot/burn the city?
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    I'd respond to Scal's race baiting comments but I'll get boxed... Real nice that we're only allowed to have a 1-way discussion...

    Baltimore-in Game was perfect for what is going on there... Ask the business owners how great it is.

    Question to everyone here that's white: If your brother was killed by a black cop would you riot/loot/burn the city?
     
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    Watching ISIS behead people that cannot defend themselves gets my piss pretty hot.  Watching the US leave Iraq and create a vacuum for ISIS to flourish has the same effect. 

    It is strange, but the older I get the clearer things become. I blame a formal university education for pulling the wool over my eyes for so long. 

    At some point the US will have to deal with muslim fundamentalists on a large, official scale.  It is a shame that we will wait until a group like ISIS is a formidable opponent instead of smashing the problem right now.

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    Watching ISIS behead people that cannot defend themselves gets my piss pretty hot.  Watching the US leave Iraq and create a vacuum for ISIS to flourish has the same effect. 

    It is strange, but the older I get the clearer things become. I blame a formal university education for pulling the wool over my eyes for so long. 

    At some point the US will have to deal with muslim fundamentalists on a large, official scale.  It is a shame that we will wait until a group like ISIS is a formidable opponent instead of smashing the problem right now.

     
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    Abuse of helpless children and animals

    Distant second is people who lie and then pull politically correct cards when you tell them they lie

    Close third is Interracial guy civil unions
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    Abuse of helpless children and animals

    Distant second is people who lie and then pull politically correct cards when you tell them they lie

    Close third is Interracial guy civil unions
     
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    Where does Scatabrane find time to spew all this trash?

    Maybe nothing better to do while he sits around on a doughnut healing up from last night
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    Where does Scatabrane find time to spew all this trash?

    Maybe nothing better to do while he sits around on a doughnut healing up from last night
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    Watching ISIS behead people that cannot defend themselves gets my piss pretty hot.  Watching the US leave Iraq and create a vacuum for ISIS to flourish has the same effect. 

    It is strange, but the older I get the clearer things become. I blame a formal university education for pulling the wool over my eyes for so long. 

    At some point the US will have to deal with muslim fundamentalists on a large, official scale.  It is a shame that we will wait until a group like ISIS is a formidable opponent instead of smashing the problem right now.


    How will ISIS become a formidable opponent for the military of the United States? 

    How long should the US spent occupying Iraq? 20 years? What do you think would happen if the US occupied Iraq for 20 years and then left? 

    Who has killed more innocent people, the US or ISIS? What are the numbers and what's your source? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    Watching ISIS behead people that cannot defend themselves gets my piss pretty hot.  Watching the US leave Iraq and create a vacuum for ISIS to flourish has the same effect. 

    It is strange, but the older I get the clearer things become. I blame a formal university education for pulling the wool over my eyes for so long. 

    At some point the US will have to deal with muslim fundamentalists on a large, official scale.  It is a shame that we will wait until a group like ISIS is a formidable opponent instead of smashing the problem right now.


    How will ISIS become a formidable opponent for the military of the United States? 

    How long should the US spent occupying Iraq? 20 years? What do you think would happen if the US occupied Iraq for 20 years and then left? 

    Who has killed more innocent people, the US or ISIS? What are the numbers and what's your source? 

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