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JEFFMARKETCAP

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2012 - 1:25 AM ET #26

JOE HORN, YOu are my hero

. 2 less worthless thugs on this planet

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TheCrow

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2012 - 1:27 AM ET #27

the devil's advocate to the article in this thread is the one devil that will realize they must kill everyone in the house first before performing the actual robbery because if not, they will be killed by the owners of the house. Any intelligent robber might as well be a murderer because too many people in america might take advantage of the gun laws.

And so the devil's advocate says that's fine, go ahead and protect yourself at all times, in fact, tell all your friends and relatives to buy guns guns and more ammo. But the reality is.... is that anyone having the gun protecting themselves at home is always going to be on defense. You just never know when that offense is going to try and score a touchdown on you. Sure you can shoot when the offense is in the redzone and on your private property. But what's your answer to the offense who can strike from public property (the sidewalk) and beyond? What about the robbers who might graduate to a sniper across the street and stake you out over a period of time? In other words, if you shoot someone while they are on the outer side of your fence, you better hope nobody is looking and then pull them back into your yard. That's right sooner or later robberies will have to go through more trouble, kill or be killed. Here is the article:

ATLANTA (AP) -- Police in Atlanta say a man was defending himself when he shot and killed a suspected robber on Christmas Eve.Atlanta police spokeswoman Kim Jones says the attempted robbery happened Monday night on Jackson Street in southeast Atlanta.Jones said investigators found that two men tried to rob a person, and the intended victim pulled his own gun to defend himself and shot one of the suspects.Police tell The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (https://bit.ly/ZA2h7N) that the suspect who survived, a 21-year-old man, was taken into custody and is facing charges including armed robbery. Police said the dead man's name was not being released until relatives could be notified.

The reality of this article is that if 2 people were on public property that the owner has never known, or never saw, the owner can shoot them for no reason and then claim that they were robbers who tried to steal and then also claim that his life was on the line/threatened. If 2 people were playing baseball in the streets and somehow the ball got into someone else's private property, shoot that mutha'guy if he's on your property trying to get the ball but hope the body does not fall back on the sidewalk.

I've got my scenarios for what might have really happened in this article but also for any other happening out there that might have been similiar to this one but the fact that this happened in atlanta is very interesting to me. I don't really know what the culture is like there in atlanta but i feel that there might be a subconscious race war that the blacks and whites would not like people to know about. If any of you are familiar with the howard stern show, daniel carver who is a group leader lives in georgia, in fact he lives in a county called "White County" where there's nothing but white people there yet atlanta as far as anyone knows has a very high concentration of black people. Could it be possible that race had anything to do with this article?

This plain looking short article to me is a little bizarre but i have no proof of anything, just pick your poison, we're in overtime in a college football game here, you wanna play offense or defense?

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the devil's advocate to the article in this thread is the one devil that will realize they must kill everyone in the house first before performing the actual robbery because if not, they will be killed by the owners of the house. Any intelligent robber might as well be a murderer because too many people in america might take advantage of the gun laws.

And so the devil's advocate says that's fine, go ahead and protect yourself at all times, in fact, tell all your friends and relatives to buy guns guns and more ammo. But the reality is.... is that anyone having the gun protecting themselves at home is always going to be on defense. You just never know when that offense is going to try and score a touchdown on you. Sure you can shoot when the offense is in the redzone and on your private property. But what's your answer to the offense who can strike from public property (the sidewalk) and beyond? What about the robbers who might graduate to a sniper across the street and stake you out over a period of time? In other words, if you shoot someone while they are on the outer side of your fence, you better hope nobody is looking and then pull them back into your yard. That's right sooner or later robberies will have to go through more trouble, kill or be killed. Here is the article:

ATLANTA (AP) -- Police in Atlanta say a man was defending himself when he shot and killed a suspected robber on Christmas Eve.Atlanta police spokeswoman Kim Jones says the attempted robbery happened Monday night on Jackson Street in southeast Atlanta.Jones said investigators found that two men tried to rob a person, and the intended victim pulled his own gun to defend himself and shot one of the suspects.Police tell The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (https://bit.ly/ZA2h7N) that the suspect who survived, a 21-year-old man, was taken into custody and is facing charges including armed robbery. Police said the dead man's name was not being released until relatives could be notified.

The reality of this article is that if 2 people were on public property that the owner has never known, or never saw, the owner can shoot them for no reason and then claim that they were robbers who tried to steal and then also claim that his life was on the line/threatened. If 2 people were playing baseball in the streets and somehow the ball got into someone else's private property, shoot that mutha'guy if he's on your property trying to get the ball but hope the body does not fall back on the sidewalk.

I've got my scenarios for what might have really happened in this article but also for any other happening out there that might have been similiar to this one but the fact that this happened in atlanta is very interesting to me. I don't really know what the culture is like there in atlanta but i feel that there might be a subconscious race war that the blacks and whites would not like people to know about. If any of you are familiar with the howard stern show, daniel carver who is a group leader lives in georgia, in fact he lives in a county called "White County" where there's nothing but white people there yet atlanta as far as anyone knows has a very high concentration of black people. Could it be possible that race had anything to do with this article?

This plain looking short article to me is a little bizarre but i have no proof of anything, just pick your poison, we're in overtime in a college football game here, you wanna play offense or defense?

TheCrow

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2012 - 1:37 AM ET #28

according to the definition of armed robbery, it's a very loose term, you can be an "armed robber" by point your finger out the side of your jacket pocket and the victims can perceive that as having their "life on the line."

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StraightShooter

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2012 - 1:41 AM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

If I lived in the US would I own a gun to protect my family? Absolutely. Why? Because every other nutjob out there has one...

I'd feel the same way living in many countries including Mexico, anywhere in South America, Africa, or most of Asia. The list goes on and on...

If I lived in Australia, Canada, Japan, Sweden, England (or most of Europe for that matter) I wouldn't feel the need and I wouldn't feel unsafe not having one. This is a good thing!

It may seem like a fantasy land to you but it's normal to me. I guess it is a land of gum drops and lollipops? Sweet.

A couple more random thoughts and you guys can go back to grilling me...

1. No one deserves to die for stealing someones possessions ... Who the darn cares for ipads and fancy clothes that much?? This garbage is meaningless. If someone has to sink so low they need to steal f it... let them. They are clearly worse off then you anyhow.

2. How is it at all relevant that the USA is the most powerful country in the world and that Canada may or may not be playing the role of little brother? This has nothing to do with anything...

3. How much longer is that going to last anyhow? Last time I checked you were deep in China's pocket. (Don't even answer that... I'm sure your filled with lots thought provoking discussions on world economics).

4. Violet criminals around here wouldn't have guns 99.99% of the time. A knife or a bat or something is more likely. The vast majority of the time it's only for show anyhow (here anyhow).

5. Arguing with you people on the internet is a complete waste of my time. Probably why I have only posted 2800 times since 2002.

6. I wrote this quickly so no need to tell me about some spelling mistakes and such. It happens. I don't really care to read this over ten times.

Have at it fellas. Merry Christmas!

1. There’s a big difference between thinking someone deserves to die for stealing and not wanting to put one’s life and that of his family in the hands of a violent criminal and just hope everything turns out ok.

Some people would rather stick their head in the sand and just hope the criminal won’t hurt them. Others would rather not take that chance.

2. It speaks to your “head in the sand” mentality when it comes to danger.

3. Every empire falls. Although I doubt any of us will be around to see it. When you ask a question and then immediately follow it with “don’t even answer that” you might as well be saying “I just wanted to make a statement, but can’t argue about it intelligently so please don’t make me.” It’s probably just best to say nothing in that case.

4. You seem perfectly content putting your family’s lives in the hands of violent criminals and that’s your prerogative. However, many others aren’t as “devil may care” when it comes to their family’s safety.

5. And yet you keep doing it.

6. The only time I really point out someone’s grammatical mistakes is when they make one in the same sentence they insult someone else’s intelligence.

Merry (late) Christmas to you as well.