September 11, 2001 (long read)

Furthermore, does this look like the nose of a 757 Boeing aircraft to you, or the nose of a cruise missile ?

IF A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON, WHY WON'T THEY JUST SHOW US A VIDEO ?!?!

So the terrorist cant use it to further their attacks on us.  Also their is the national secrity reason moron. That was easy!!!!!!!!

The terrorists would be able to use a video to better attack us??? 

Then explain all of the eyewitness accounts who said it was a plane.  Tell me how this "missile" took out the lamp posts.  Tell me why there were 757 airplane parts ALL over the crash site.  Tell me how they identified all but a couple of the bodies.

I know.  The emergency responders were in on it.  So was the coroner....and all the medical personnel....and all of the eyewitnesses including a priest AND another pilot.  How come they all tell basically the same story?  How come many of them say the speed was increasing as the plane came toward the building?

I'm going to ask you a series of questions, maybe 2-3 as I don't want to overwhelm you.  If you would, please answer those questions for me to the best of your ability.  When you've done that (and try to make the arguements pertinent to the discussion, please), you can then ask me any series of questions you would like, regarding anything you would like.  This is called a debate. I'm sure you are unaware of this type of formal atmosphere, but I'm going to do my best to sink down to your intelligence level.  Here goes:

1.)  Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, is seen in this video claiming that Flight 93 had been shot down by someone on 9/11/2001.  This completely contradicts the official story of our Government, which was that hijackers took over the plane in an attempt to fly it into the White House in Washington D.C., but their plan was foiled due to a group of passengers over-taking the hijackers and instead crash landing the plane in Shanksville, PA.

Why would Donald Rumsfeld claim that Flight 93 was shot down when in fact, "we know" that it crash landed in Shanksville? 

 

2.)  NIST, the Government-assigned agency to investigate the events of 9/11/2001 pertaining to the WTC complex in New York, released a revised report in 2008 which contained a few sections relating to the collapse of WTC7. According to the report that I just linked you to, NIST, who recorded an operating budget of $992 Million in 2009 and employs 2900 scientists, structural engineers, and technicians, claims that WTC7 collapsed upon itself in just over 5 seconds, with 2.25 second of that time "accelerating at the rate of gravity".  They further claim that "Freefall speed stopped as a result of the building collapsing on itself".

I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

Before you answer, you should know that FEMA initally did an investigation as to why WTC7 collapsed, but could not determine a reason.  They did however note the presense of the military-grade chemical Nano-Thermite in the rubble of the WTC complex.

NIST immediately dismissed the potential of Thermite to be used, stating (this is always gives me a laugh, btw):

"The use of thermite instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered."

So essentially:  Thermite is found in the rubble of WTC7. Upon further investigation of the Thermite by FEMA, they determine that it is a military-grade form of the chemical, called Nano-Thermite. NIST quickly discredits FEMA's findings as false, claiming that it would be "impossible" to get the 20+ tons of thermite into the WTC complex without security detection.

Hmm.  "Security detection".  Lets take a quick look at the Security of the WTC complex on 9/11/2001, shall we Eric?

Stratesec, also known as Securacom, was responsible for the security of the entire WTC complex, as well as Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines on the morning of 9/11/2001. 

Dulles just so happened to be the same airport that Flight 77 took off from, before it hit the Pentagon after being hijacked en route to San Francisco.

3 United Airlines aircraft were used on the morning of 9/11 to execute the hijackings.

Who exactly was in control of this entire "Securacom" operation?  According to the Wikipedia link that I just sent you to, this agency was pretty much run by a single person, instead of "delegated authority" as are many other security forms.  So then, who was the person in charge of everything-Securacom on 9/11/2001? Marvin P. Bush.

Well, surely, you'll say, even if security might have been comprimised on 9/11 at the WTC complex, the "bad guys" still would have needed plenty of time to get the 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the buildings.... Right smiddyo?

ACE Elevator "WTC modernization project", dated 3/1/2001 and lasted nearly 5 months.  It was finished roughly 10 days before the events of 9/11/2001.

We now have a breach of security (Securacom), a false-flag elevator moderization (ACE), and a way to get 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the WTC complex over a 5+ month period before the events of 9/11/2001.

Now, I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

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Have you heard that dipshit Rumsfeld talk before?  He's a bumbling idiot.  So he misspoke. 

The thermite argument has been shown to be COMPLETE bullshit.  The main guy proposing that argument was basically told to by his employer (and all his collegues) that he was full of shit.    He was even suspended because of his incompetence.

I have also shown you that WTC 1 and 2 did NOT free fall.  You're making this up. 

Yeah, they hit the pentagon with a cruise missile and quickly planted the mangled bodies of a bunch of people as well as the wreckage from a 757 jet liner.

You crack me up. 

 

Also, why haven't you commented on the ACE elevator project and Securacom/Stratesec?

Arthur Rosati, another security officer and an army reservist : You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable"

LTC Brian Birdwell. He was just heading back down the hall to his office when the building exploded in front of him. He was transferred to George Washington Hospital, where [he was treated by] the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.

According to Matt Hahr, Kirlin's senior project manager at the Pentagon, the employee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he was traveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from the concussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and the fireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned.

Jarvis Will
From time spent on military aircraft, Will Jarvis knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, where he works as an operations research analyst for the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Rep. Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.), a Naval Reserve intelligence officer. The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell, he said.

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All mention jet fuel.  Missiles do NOT run on jet fuel, you moron.

You're not even worth my time.  

That's because you either don't have an answer or call people MORONS when they don't agree with you.

Same Hutch....Different thread.  

 

You and tillyo have the same style....His quote.....

 

 So the terrorist cant use it to further their attacks on us.  Also their is the national secrity reason moron. That was easy!!!!!!!!

 

 

Like I have said before .....If you can't answer the question....Don't say anything and walk away.

OOPS.....You already did that. 

I can't get over your "Rumsfeld is a bumbling idiot" statement...

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"Never has any physical evidence been presented at or to any commission or other official inquiry. As with all the video tapes from CCTV cameras surrounding the Pentagon, whose existence prior to their seizure by the FBI can at least be independently verified, this claimed evidence — allegedly including the remains of a crashed Boeing 757 — has been classified and removed to a secret storage facility."

case closed?? umm...ok? in your mind i guess...so...one (or more) of america's finest... said "yes sir. i will fire upon our DOD HQ, and kill innocent people including perhaps kill some of my fellow airmen, navy, Marines whatever."...ummm...yeeeeeah...and we'll make sure to tell the ordinance personnel that "it just fell off" and do the same for every accounting system that goes into firing ANYTHING (outside a theater of actual war) esp. a missile... whateva...puff puff pass man...

where can i find the fact that the gov't has to release ANY of their surveillance findings to the public?...150 camera's? point me to where that info is.

yeah, been to google earth...so what...cool but grainy as all hell...read the date on a dime...lol... shit...i think one of those black op helo's just flew over my house...gonna log off and smash my computer now!!!

Seems your boy Rumsfeld slipped up again: