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vanzack

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:02 PM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:

You need a starting point with regards to patterns----

When you use the last few numbers its a starting point and then you can use that starting pattern---

That is the method needed to start a pattern---

The winning rouletter players basically predict patterns by using the information on the last few numbers that came out---

Sammy -

Do you want to have a discussion based on reality, or do you want to have a meta-physical crystal ball spirits in the material world discussion?

Im not against either one, I wont participate in the second, but if you are attempting to have a conversation based in reality and reasonability, you are failing miserably.

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Dire-Wolf

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:03 PM ET #27

Don't forget to wet your finger to check the wind.

FarQue

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:10 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:

There is a lot of mistakes players do in this game--

From a HOUSE EDGE this is not the best game to play, as it is 5.2%$ HOUSE EDGE with a 0 and 00 --

The Edge goes to 2.6% HOUSE EDGE with only a SINGLE 0-

It is true that BALL HAS NO MEMORY, so logically speaking the PAST DOES NOT MATTER IN ROULETTE ACCORDING TO STUDIES AND MANY GENIUSES in the world--

SO they say the Screen that shows the last 20 numbers is something that PLAYERS lose a lot money thinking that the NEXT number will be effected by the last NUMBER that came out--

This is a Gamblers FALLACY and the CASINO has no problem listing the last 20 numbers that came through----

Having extensive experience in mathematics I believe there is ANOTHER SIDE to the BALL HAS NO MEMORY THEORY--

This is TRUE but in statistical probability if we SPIN the wheel 36 times, we are not going to get numbers 1 to 36 coming out- We will have some REPEATS of numbers---

if you have "extensive experience in mathematic" you wouldn't be playing roulette

revengeissweet1

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:13 PM ET #29

is this guy for real?

a pattern? so if the ball lands 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 - that means the next roll no matter what has to be 36? are you serious?

johnzimbo

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:23 PM ET #30

I see patterns in keno all the time. I should be rich huh!

RickeM

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 7:49 PM ET #31

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 8:15 PM ET #32

Sammy,

Raise the white flag and move on.

Vanzack will beat you to a pulp, it is saturday night, go watch the Olympics.

Spitfire15

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2010 - 8:37 PM ET #33

Can't believe anyone would actually argue this theory with him.

Snappa

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 2:26 AM ET #34

Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:

MONEY MANAGEMENT Imo like in sports GAMBLING gives us a HUGE EDGE over other roulette players-----

Ex- TYPICAL ROULETTE PLAYER plays like a MORON--

You have all seen these people, they are dropping chips it seems on about 60% of the board stacking heavy on 1 or 2 numbers---

Well this is BAD MONEY MANAGEMENT and they are RISKING way too much money PER SPIN--

In a game with a 5.2% HOUSE EDGE it is important to play MORE SPINS and bet smaller per SPIN---

I started with $100 with $1 chips, I would bet anywhere from about 3 to 7 chips per SPIN---

This way I was able to survive at the start UNTIL SAMMY GOT HOT, then after it was said and done I HAD all the CASINOS CHIPS for my colour which was $500-- I thought it was a good sign to leave when you have all of your DESIGNATED colour----

So I go in SMALL every time with the THINKING that I AM going to PREDICT roughly where the BALL will land---

EVERY OTHER ROULETTE PLAYER LOST because they have no MONEY MANAGEMENT SKILLS--

Its like a guy with a $2000 sports account and he BETS it all one ONE GAME with 3 different BETS--- You are risking a LOT on a game where the HOUSE EDGE is 5.2%---

So i believe more than ANYTHING having sports gambling experience helps with you ROULETTE MONEY MANAGEMENT--

PS--- WHAT ARE THE ROULETTE NUMBERS THAT YOU FEEL COME UP MORE ON TABLES---

I ALWAYS SEE 17-20 BLACK -- they seem to be popular everywhere.

It all depends on the size of your di... uh bankroll, Sammy. And if you insist on playing a negative EV game like roulette, try using Labouchere for money management. You only have to win like 39% of the time or something like that to have a winning run. But be careful. If you play enough roulette, you WILL have a stretch of losing more than 39%.

Snappa

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 2:27 AM ET #35

I meant stretch of NOT WINNING less than 39%

Snappa

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 2:28 AM ET #36

more than 39% past my bedtime

FarQue

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 3:00 AM ET #37

A staking plan will not turn a -EV game into a profitable. Any profit is pure luck

cappingstrong

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 3:24 AM ET #38

vanzack you are indeed correct about all your retorts to sammys nonsense. however there used to be a dealer at the borgata in AC who was able to consistently land the ball in the same quadrant (9 number portion of the wheel) over and over spin after spin. now what the ball did after it first hit that quadrant was anyones guess..theres no way to predict how it will bounce around and if it will remain in that quadrant at all. but just hypothetically, if i could guarantee you the ball will fall in the same 9 number quadrant in lets say 75% of spins, do you think you could make money at that roullette wheel long term?

Sammy_Meatballs

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 6:40 AM ET #39

Cleaned up again today playing the same system.

I played repeating numbers and it was very profitable.

ZERO came after a long drought of over 100 spins, then it came, then it came 3 more times in the next 10 spins which I hit all 3 times.

I find that when they dont roll a high number like 30-36 for about 10 spins it starts to be likely that there will be a high number pulled---

The odds are no better but still all numbers eventually get pulled and a high number would be pulled out---

Also the ball fell of the wheel and the PIT asked me to pass the ball to her, so I had physical contact wiht the wheel---

Roulette is a bigtime pattern and numbers game. When you develop the pattern, you see patterns over and over and over....

The dealer even told me he says BLACK 17 which I know is very popular, he said that COMES in all casinos, he said he does not know why but it comes up a lot--

Also this dealer had the weakest spin ever, the ball barely went around 4 times the wheel, it had no power at all. However with the weak SPIN i was not able to accurately predict any trends at all--

IF ZERO has not came for a while once it HITS, within the NEXT 5 It will fall again, I have seen this at least 70% of the time.

captjohn67

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 7:18 AM ET #40

i have always found if you stand with more weight on your right leg, it comes up red, stand with more weight on your left, and it comes up black...hope this helps Sammy

kash2009

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 8:13 AM ET #41

the wind, are you retarded...different number of people walk by at different speeds at different times in each spin, how the hell does that help....the magnitude and timing of the wind varies...if anything the wind makes it LESS predictable....no way you are going to be able to factor that in while u are scrambling to place ur bets AFTER he spins the ball

bigkat

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 9:22 AM ET #42

I would like to chime in here. I'm rated at between $350-500 per spin. ROULETTE is the ONLY game I play in the casino's. I ONLY play on the outside and bet colors. The most difficult thing in terms of roulette is to constantly remind yourself that the "BALL IS AN INANIMATE OBJECT". Meaning, there is no real rhyme or reason to it. Consequently, if you see that black has come three times in a row IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME RED NEXT TIME. I have personally witnessed two streaks. In 06' at MGM the table I was at Red came 11times in a row. I won MAJOR $$. But in Atlantic City Borgata this past Christmas, Black came 12 times in a row. I lost. I was down about 2 grand and decided to take some time and study and "pick my spot". I told myself, I will just wait for the right time and then bet $1500 one time and then ACCEPT MY $500 loss. I sat at the table and watched Black come three times in a row. I then placed my $1500 on RED. Guess what? It came Black again. I just sat for abour 45seconds in total disgust and amazement. But as I walked away, I KICKED MYSELF because I KNOW THAT THE BALL IS AN "INANIMATE OBJECT". Therefore, Black had an equal chance of coming as red. No More No Less. But, Training your mind to IGNORE what you see (on the board) in terms of TRENDS is the most difficult thing to do.

Bigkat

RickeM

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 9:31 AM ET #43

CleeK111

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 10:14 AM ET #44

the only strategy i have used is something i discovered myself. since the 1st18 pays even...3rd 12 pays 3to1..
ok now what I figured was placing slightly more money on the even bet and about a third less on the 3rd12 bet. You come out ahead majority of the time. for example $7 on 1st18 and $4 on 3rd12. You come out ahead if either hit. Win back $14 on 1st18 or win $12 on 3rd 12. Total bet would be 11 and you are getting back $14 or $12

why use this? well numerically you are covering more numbers on the board than the 12's or 18's. you have the chance of not hitting 8numbers.. 19-24 and 0,00

vanzack

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 10:51 AM ET #45

Quote Originally Posted by cappingstrong:

vanzack you are indeed correct about all your retorts to sammys nonsense. however there used to be a dealer at the borgata in AC who was able to consistently land the ball in the same quadrant (9 number portion of the wheel) over and over spin after spin. now what the ball did after it first hit that quadrant was anyones guess..theres no way to predict how it will bounce around and if it will remain in that quadrant at all. but just hypothetically, if i could guarantee you the ball will fall in the same 9 number quadrant in lets say 75% of spins, do you think you could make money at that roullette wheel long term?

Yes - of course you could.

But that dealer would be fired after an hour or two of this. There is no longterm sustainability to this.

But either way, this is fantasyland. So in order to win at roulette you need to know a dealer who can do this, he has to be willing to be partners with you, and then you have a limited time to do it until you both go to Caesars Jail.

Seems kinda far fetched to me.... and not what sammy was talking about.

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vanzack

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 10:55 AM ET #46

Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:

IF ZERO has not came for a while once it HITS, within the NEXT 5 It will fall again, I have seen this at least 70% of the time.

Sammy -

Thanks for the laugh. Really.

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vanzack

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 11:00 AM ET #47

Am I actually on a gambling message board?

I cannot believe what I am reading in this thread by multiple posters.

Roulette strategies? 350-500 dollars per spin? Covering more numbers etc????

Im being "punked", right?

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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 11:05 AM ET #48

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Am I actually on a gambling message board?

I cannot believe what I am reading in this thread by multiple posters.

Roulette strategies? 350-500 dollars per spin? Covering more numbers etc????

Im being "punked", right?

No but you are moth to a flame as you know about yourself.

Same way I am when it comes to certain ridiculous political discussions.

vanzack

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 11:20 AM ET #49

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

No but you are moth to a flame as you know about yourself.

Same way I am when it comes to certain ridiculous political discussions.

I know, but unlike political discussions - this is not a matter of opinion! People who argue with math lose 100% of the time.

But I am drawn to these threads.

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Sammy_Meatballs

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Posted: Feb. 14, 2010 - 3:00 PM ET #50

People who argue with MATH do not lose 100% of the time VAN---

Sorry VAN I am not buying for arguments. It is easier to PICK apart any system or any ones ideas.

This is essentially what you are doing, you are not taking into account a few factors that you are overlooking..

From a math standpoint the ROULETTE wheel has a HOUSE edge of 5.2% and that will make the HOUSE money overtime, however what you FAILED to realize is there are a small percentage of WINNERS in there also--

Its like in sports, there is some capper out there hitting 70% regularly on games. It is rare but it is happening--

VAN you are not taking into account any of these factors. There are people that can beat the Roulette wheel and understand how the wheel flows--

If you spin a wheel thousands of times, you will see patterns establish themselves. Its not rocket science, IE when a number does not come up for 200 spins, it will come up soon as its due, statistically the ball will land on all numbers over many spins--

Ps- Its easier to sit and bash any system, but what you are forgetting is that I am not lucky, I can predict accurately where that BALL is going to land, by understanding the ENERGY the table has and understanding how numbers repeat on tables..

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