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Koston

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 10:16 AM ET #51

[Quote: Originally Posted by OnlyGod]

Koston do you identify yourself as a christian ?

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mrmarbay

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 10:22 AM ET #52

[Quote: Originally Posted by OnlyGod]

Why is it still a monkey ? Your avatar KICKS ASS !

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steveshane67

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 11:52 AM ET #53

koston,

heres the summary of your copy and paste supporting of the universe being 6000 years old

you take something that is currently happening and apply it to all time. when i was 12 i grew 1", why am i not 10' tall by now? the earth has warmed the last 30 years, why was it not 1 giant ice ball 2000 years ago... ahh i get it, thats how jesus walked on water, he was walking on ice!!!!

i could go through each of your "scientific" points and easily dispute them but its not worth my time, you either get a kick out of posting this garbage or you are delusional.

just do 1 2 quick things.

if you are an IDer, which it sounds like you are

can you explain vestigial organs, and not just in humans.

and can you explain why humans suffer from carbon monoxide poisoning. either god is a prick or hes not very intelligent.

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ClubDirt

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 11:55 AM ET #54

really, was that the idea behind all that stuff i didn't read, that the world is 6,000 years old? that's outstanding. i didn't know those people still existed.

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steveshane67

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 11:58 AM ET #55

i see you tried to explain the spleen already...

why do dandelions have stamen and pistols?
why does the fish Astyanax Mexicanus have eyes?
why do whales have leg bones?

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andarmac99

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #56

You really need to educate yourself regarding astronomy and astrophysics. All of your so called "evidence" is in fact incorrect or just flat out lies. You are either misinformed, delusional, or you must think you are talking to a bunch of uneducated 7 year olds. I could point out the flaws in every single one of your arguments but it would be a complete waste of time.

Even an amateur astronomer would laugh at your ridiculous "evidence" for a young universe.

Come back when you are informed.

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andarmac99

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 12:17 PM ET #57

You should also get an education on basic geology. You will then see just how absurd many of your arguments are.

Start here.

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andarmac99

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 12:28 PM ET #58

If someone walked up to you and said they had an invisible leprechaun perched on their shoulder, what would you think?

If you have any logic and common sense you would say that this person was crazy. Now the problem is there is really no way to "prove" if there is in fact a leprechaun there using the scientific method because of lack of empirical and measurable evidence.

The same thing is true with any "god". There is really no way to scientifically prove or disprove that one exists. But if someone walks up to me and tells me someone created in 6 days, someone shoved 2 of all of the 10 billion species on this planet onto a boat during a great flood, someone make a sea part, and someone rose from the dead, then I will put them in the same category as the lunatic that thinks he has a leprechaun perched on his shoulder. Why? Because it doesn't make sense and is just absurd.

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steveshane67

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 1:14 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

If someone walked up to you and said they had an invisible leprechaun perched on their shoulder, what would you think?

If you have any logic and common sense you would say that this person was crazy. Now the problem is there is really no way to "prove" if there is in fact a leprechaun there using the scientific method because of lack of empirical and measurable evidence.

The same thing is true with any "god". There is really no way to scientifically prove or disprove that one exists. But if someone walks up to me and tells me someone created in 6 days, someone shoved 2 of all of the 10 billion species on this planet onto a boat during a great flood, someone make a sea part, and someone rose from the dead, then I will put them in the same category as the lunatic that thinks he has a leprechaun perched on his shoulder. Why? Because it doesn't make sense and is just absurd.

id say holy fuck, where can i get one

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steveshane67

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 1:19 PM ET #60

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

really, was that the idea behind all that stuff i didn't read, that the world is 6,000 years old? that's outstanding. i didn't know those people still existed.

it was all stuff that even an elementary school kid would know was psuedo science at best, he assumes the earth was exaclty the same throughout history, and there is nothing living older than 4000 years, the time of the flood.

my personal favorite was Sequoia Gigantea trees dont die

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CRRECORDS

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 1:27 PM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

The bible says that the earth is in the shape of a sphere.everyone at the time said that the world is flat......We find out later that it is in fact in the shape of a sphere.....

The bible says "he hangs the earth on nothing", yet people at the time believed that the earth rested on 3 large tortouses......

The bible says that the number of stars in the universe cannot be counted.yet people at the time believed that there were something like 120 odd stars......

There are plenty plenty plenty more examples.....How with no technology would the people who wrote the bible know these?

the bible was written over at least 1600 years and if you throw enough garbage on the wall some of it is going stick

the bible also refers to the 4 corners of the earth written by some desert goat herder who thought the earth was flat refering to a book as fact when the authors are unknown makes no sense. then look at the contradictions this is only a small list of the bible nonsense:

1. God is satisfied with his works
         Gen 1:31
        God is dissatisfied with his works.
         Gen 6:6
     2. God dwells in chosen temples
         2 Chron 7:12,16
        God dwells not in temples
         Acts 7:48
     3. God dwells in light
         Tim 6:16
        God dwells in darkness
         1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
     4. God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
        God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
     5. God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17
        God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28
     6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
     7. God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
     8. God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
       God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19
     9. God is unchangeable
         James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
        God is changeable
         Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
          Ex 33:1,3,17,14
     10. God is just and impartial
          Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
         God is unjust and partial
          Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
     11. God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
         God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
     12. God gives freely to those who ask
          James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
         God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
         them
          John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
     13. God is to be found by those who seek him
          Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
         God is not to be found by those who seek him
          Prov 1:28
     14. God is warlike
          Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
         God is peaceful
          Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
     15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
          Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
         God is kind, merciful, and good
          James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

The bible says that the earth is in the shape of a sphere.everyone at the time said that the world is flat......We find out later that it is in fact in the shape of a sphere.....

The bible says "he hangs the earth on nothing", yet people at the time believed that the earth rested on 3 large tortouses......

The bible says that the number of stars in the universe cannot be counted.yet people at the time believed that there were something like 120 odd stars......

There are plenty plenty plenty more examples.....How with no technology would the people who wrote the bible know these?

the bible was written over at least 1600 years and if you throw enough garbage on the wall some of it is going stick

the bible also refers to the 4 corners of the earth written by some desert goat herder who thought the earth was flat refering to a book as fact when the authors are unknown makes no sense. then look at the contradictions this is only a small list of the bible nonsense:

1. God is satisfied with his works
         Gen 1:31
        God is dissatisfied with his works.
         Gen 6:6
     2. God dwells in chosen temples
         2 Chron 7:12,16
        God dwells not in temples
         Acts 7:48
     3. God dwells in light
         Tim 6:16
        God dwells in darkness
         1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
     4. God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
        God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
     5. God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17
        God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28
     6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
     7. God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
     8. God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
       God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19
     9. God is unchangeable
         James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
        God is changeable
         Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
          Ex 33:1,3,17,14
     10. God is just and impartial
          Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
         God is unjust and partial
          Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
     11. God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
         God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
     12. God gives freely to those who ask
          James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
         God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
         them
          John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
     13. God is to be found by those who seek him
          Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
         God is not to be found by those who seek him
          Prov 1:28
     14. God is warlike
          Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
         God is peaceful
          Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
     15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
          Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
         God is kind, merciful, and good
          James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

SYSTEM

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #62

Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

the bible was written over at least 1600 years and if you throw enough garbage on the wall some of it is going stick

the bible also refers to the 4 corners of the earth written by some desert goat herder who thought the earth was flat refering to a book as fact when the authors are unknown makes no sense. then look at the contradictions this is only a small list of the bible nonsense:

1. God is satisfied with his works
         Gen 1:31
        God is dissatisfied with his works.
         Gen 6:6
     2. God dwells in chosen temples
         2 Chron 7:12,16
        God dwells not in temples
         Acts 7:48
     3. God dwells in light
         Tim 6:16
        God dwells in darkness
         1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
     4. God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
        God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
     5. God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17
        God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28
     6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
     7. God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
     8. God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
       God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19
     9. God is unchangeable
         James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
        God is changeable
         Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
          Ex 33:1,3,17,14
     10. God is just and impartial
          Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
         God is unjust and partial
          Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
     11. God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
         God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
     12. God gives freely to those who ask
          James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
         God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
         them
          John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
     13. God is to be found by those who seek him
          Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
         God is not to be found by those who seek him
          Prov 1:28
     14. God is warlike
          Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
         God is peaceful
          Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
     15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
          Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
         God is kind, merciful, and good
          James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

Thanks crrecords for pointing this out, but it won't matter, rostos will just come back with some more bs...

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Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

the bible was written over at least 1600 years and if you throw enough garbage on the wall some of it is going stick

the bible also refers to the 4 corners of the earth written by some desert goat herder who thought the earth was flat refering to a book as fact when the authors are unknown makes no sense. then look at the contradictions this is only a small list of the bible nonsense:

1. God is satisfied with his works
         Gen 1:31
        God is dissatisfied with his works.
         Gen 6:6
     2. God dwells in chosen temples
         2 Chron 7:12,16
        God dwells not in temples
         Acts 7:48
     3. God dwells in light
         Tim 6:16
        God dwells in darkness
         1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
     4. God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
        God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
     5. God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17
        God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28
     6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
     7. God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
     8. God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
       God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19
     9. God is unchangeable
         James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
        God is changeable
         Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
          Ex 33:1,3,17,14
     10. God is just and impartial
          Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
         God is unjust and partial
          Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
     11. God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
         God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
     12. God gives freely to those who ask
          James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
         God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
         them
          John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
     13. God is to be found by those who seek him
          Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
         God is not to be found by those who seek him
          Prov 1:28
     14. God is warlike
          Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
         God is peaceful
          Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
     15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
          Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
         God is kind, merciful, and good
          James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

Thanks crrecords for pointing this out, but it won't matter, rostos will just come back with some more bs...

ClubDirt

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 1:36 PM ET #63

Quote Originally Posted by steveshane67:

it was all stuff that even an elementary school kid would know was psuedo science at best, he assumes the earth was exaclty the same throughout history, and there is nothing living older than 4000 years, the time of the flood.

my personal favorite was Sequoia Gigantea trees dont die

well, i'm going to go ahead and skip reading all that stuff then. i do think it is interesting that he thinks that, unless he's fucking with everyone. koston should be studied, not ridiculed.

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Rostos

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Posted: Feb. 13, 2011 - 6:40 PM ET #64

Lets start at time and regress backwards.......

1. The Universe has a birthdate. The UNIVERSE did NOT ALWAYS EXIST

2. This point was the point where TIME and SPACE began to exist.

3. What caused this time and space (THE UNIVERSE)....?

Remember "SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING"....Therefore something OTHER than time and space has to be the cause.........

Now, me as a theist believe this "SOMETHING", 4th kind is GOD........(THE CAUSE, spiritual, creator)

I am very very keen to find out what atheists believe is the CAUSE of time and space...remember it cannot be anything PHYSICAL..cause nothing physical existed before space and time existed.......

The God argument is much more plausible, why? from the creation we can see complexity and design in the universe......The earth is fine tuned for life.....The distance from the earth to the sun, electromagnetic fields, distance to moon, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc......If any of these variables are slightly off, then earth cannot support life........

Now for the Atheist, if they believe the creator of the universe was "NOTHING" or NOTHING with a purpose,, then they have to believe that we are all here by nothing other than a pure fluke......we won the cosmic lottery......The odds of life appearing on this earth by pure fluke chance is absolutely ridicilous.....it is something like me shooting 500 baskets in row from one side of the court to the other without missing and then going and winning lotto 10 weeks in a row..........It is absurd......

Furthermore, lets look at the living cell.....NON LIVING MATTER CANNOT PRODUCE LIVING MATTER.......Furthermore, the cell is the most complex piece of engineering that we have witnessed....We look at a large magnifient building and we marvel on the architectual design, yet the cell is far far far far far far more complex design that anything we have seen and we say that happened by a pure fluke? Are u serious? Scientists have said if u unwrap one cell, it will roll from here to the moon....

Furthermore, the bible.....The bible has come under intense scrutiny by everyone and everything over thousands of years and it is yet to be discredited.......

I mentioned a few scientific facts of the bible, there are plenty plenty plenty more which have been scientifically confirmed today..name me one which scientists do NOT support today...?

Funny, we theists believe in a creator and designer, atheists believe in pure luck and flukiness........

Thats what it boils down to......and furthermore, the luck and flukiness is really beyond human comprehension......we arent talking about a full court buzzer beater or winning the lotto, those are layups compared to the real odds of flukiness of us winning the cosmic lottery....