Noah's Ark v Modern Science

Why is it still a monkey ?

Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:

Jersey...
How did my lab evolve from a wolf??? I know he wasn't a unicorn w/ his long stick horn, but songs and fables just provide me w/ more ignorance of the ignorant man

I guess those who believe god created everything cannot be persuaded w/ science since yes the shit may have existed at 1 time, but evolution and evolution's survival of the fittest may have washed them out...Do you find a unicorn or a swampy green alligator in the year 2011??? I don't doubt that crazy useless shit existed, but as darwin explained only the strong survive
So the pointless unicorn is no where to be seen, yet the dark green alligator in swamps is a beast only to be seen! Maybe your better question is "why my dog barks" but since my lab doesn't I wonder why you think unintelligent animals only fit your bill....They don't and many survive from the environment, evolution, so why do you sing about the belief of a unicorn, that doesn't exist????

First of all you gotta be a fucken moron . I was making a joke with the unicorn  

[Quote: Originally Posted by mwhit82] I know evolution is such a joke...I mean who has watched MUTANT PLANTET on Disc Science, those dudes must be describing lies...What animal/species evolves from conditions created by environment????  I doubt that madadascar, let alone certain species can evolve, since that is so much a part of africa, or hell those mountains in Japan must never have allowed certain species to develop or evolve ...
If I believed in religious concepts I'd say the hawaii'n Islands don't exist, but they do so maybe the volcanoes created can discount those issues...If that's the case then maybe species of different DNA replications allowed for the certain species to dominate....I'm only talking some science/dna shit so discount my observations since it clearly doesn't hold up to thousands of years of philophy/writings that when written believed the earth was flat and was the center of the galaxy .....
Fuck only if I could prove the Earth was the center of the galaxy, though I have scientific data that those thoughts are so far from the truth,  but Hell I still believe so please call me an IDIOT

Ignorance of science is TRULY NO PROOF OF GOD I actually think it disproves any religious belief, and for those who really think god exists, I quote Stephen Colbert "if god didn't create god then oh shit who did"?????

If you understand the billions of stars in our own galaxy and understand the billions of galaxies then maybe I could listen to your viewpoint, but most god "believers" don't comprehend this complex I have little belief they comprehend the complexity of Life
Since I don't believe in GOD I ask those who do to please explain who taught them to believe in his existence....Also I ask have you read 1984 by Orwell??? You probably learned in a church and by your parents, damn dude that shit must be true since I've never heard of a church or someone's parents lie

C'mon all you follower's please explain your ignorance!!! WHY???
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My childhood was an experience without an introduction to the Christian faith, church or any other religious belief or practice, from parents or extended family members who were without any strong view or guidance on the topic in question.

My circle of friends throughout the growing years through adolescence were not raised under such a background either, and were not social accepting towards any beilef of a creator. My sole  experience inside a church as a child was to attend a funeral and later in time a wedding.

My contact with Christians is limited as I have not attended a service more than a handful of times throughout my existence and dont socialize with any group that would classify themselves or identify their lifestyle as Christian.

The only religious information I was informed to, were the basic's that revolve around every Christmas and Easter period in the telling's of Christ. In addition, the only other tale of Christianity I knew, was the story of how my friends as teenager's invited inside a pair of Mormon's that were cold canvassing, to preach their concept of Christianity and recruit the "unsaved" to their church. Inside the home the elders were given uninterupted lecture time and full attention to listen to their preaching while the elders were presented with baked "hash" delicacy finger foods.

A character profile from my history and network of contacts would not presents a reading of someone who would be involved or encouraged to inquire deep within any spiritual faith out of the borders of tragedy. Guessing that even an evolutionist would package a pray to God in extreme times of despair for themselves or loved ones to tick all the boxes.

Wanted to take advantage of the age of technology we live in, and dissect the scriptures with science. Generation's before us had the spiritual engine of faith. Modern day advancements allow us to examine the evidence and conclude educated findings with an engine and measure of science.

The threads creation was not to incite those that discredit a creator, for this topic like politics creates an instant divide amongst it audience and debaters. Though present a understanding as to the reasons for accepting a God figure of the Christian faith as life's creator. For many have come to create a vicious circle and degrade the act of faith, but display limited resource of information to strengthen their own views in the theory of evolution.

"WHY?" you inquire...

Will present a response following this post...

[Quote: Originally Posted by mwhit82] I know evolution is such a joke...I mean who has watched MUTANT PLANTET on Disc Science, those dudes must be describing lies...What animal/species evolves from conditions created by environment????  I doubt that madadascar, let alone certain species can evolve, since that is so much a part of africa, or hell those mountains in Japan must never have allowed certain species to develop or evolve ...
If I believed in religious concepts I'd say the hawaii'n Islands don't exist, but they do so maybe the volcanoes created can discount those issues...If that's the case then maybe species of different DNA replications allowed for the certain species to dominate....I'm only talking some science/dna shit so discount my observations since it clearly doesn't hold up to thousands of years of philophy/writings that when written believed the earth was flat and was the center of the galaxy .....
Fuck only if I could prove the Earth was the center of the galaxy, though I have scientific data that those thoughts are so far from the truth,  but Hell I still believe so please call me an IDIOT

Ignorance of science is TRULY NO PROOF OF GOD I actually think it disproves any religious belief, and for those who really think god exists, I quote Stephen Colbert "if god didn't create god then oh shit who did"?????

If you understand the billions of stars in our own galaxy and understand the billions of galaxies then maybe I could listen to your viewpoint, but most god "believers" don't comprehend this complex I have little belief they comprehend the complexity of Life
Since I don't believe in GOD I ask those who do to please explain who taught them to believe in his existence....Also I ask have you read 1984 by Orwell??? You probably learned in a church and by your parents, damn dude that shit must be true since I've never heard of a church or someone's parents lie

C'mon all you follower's please explain your ignorance!!! WHY???
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Aim: God created man by intelligent design in 6 days 6000 years ago. Man did not evolve by unintelligent random processes over millions of years.

1. EVIDENCE FOR A YOUNG EARTH.

For evolution to be remotely possible, many millions of years are needed. If it can beshown that the earth is young (about 6000 years old), and not millions of years old (asrequired by evolution), then evolution would not have enough time to happen. Consider these examples pointing to a young earth:

I. EVIDENCE FROM STARS

1. Galaxy star clusters - (spirals with billions of stars) move so rapidly that they would not stay together if the universe were very old.

2. Large Stars - Some stars are so large that they radiate energy 10,000 to 1 million times more rapidly than our sun. They could not have contained enough hydrogen to radiate this fast for millions of years, because their initial mass would have been too big. These O and B class stars, and P Cygni stars could not continue atomic fusion longer than 50,000 to 300,000 years.

3. Abundant Hydrogen - in stars. Hydrogen in stars is continually being converted into Helium. Hydrogen cannot be made from other elements. Fred Hoyle states that, if the universe were as old as Big Bang theorists think, then there would be little hydrogen left, as it would be converted to Helium by now. Spectra from stars reveal abundant hydrogen in stars.This implies a young universe.

II. EVIDENCE FROM OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

4. Solar shrinking - Since 1836, over 100 different observers at the Greenwich Observatory and US Naval Observatory have measured the sun’s diameter to shrink at 0.1% per century or 5 feet per hour. At this rate, 50,000 years ago the sun would
have been so large as to boil earth’s oceans, making life on earth impossible. 100,000 years ago our sun would have been twice as large.

5. Rare Solar Neutrinos - In 1968 it was discovered that our sun emits hardly any neutrinos. This lack of solar neutrinos irrefutably points to a recently created sun. (A neutrino is an uncharged particle of no or very little mass, travelling at the speed of
light, and is produced in the sun when protons and electrons react to form neutrons.)

6. Comets - elliptically orbit the sun and are thought to be as old as the sun. As comets orbit the sun, they lose some of their water and gases from the sun’s heat, gravity and tail formation. The tail consists of material driven away from its head by solar energy.
Some comets regularly seen in the 19th Century have broken up and vanished, or plunged into the sun. All comets should self-destruct in a short ime, less than 10,000 years. There should be no comets left. Evolution cannot explain comets in an old solar
system. Comets are young objects created in a young solar system.

7. Solar Wind - As the sun’s radiation flows outward, it applies an outward force on very small particles orbiting the sun. All particles smaller than 100,000th of a centimetre should have long ago been ‘blown out’ of our solar system if it were billions of years
old. Yet satellite studies show that these small particles are abundant and still orbiting the sun. This implies a young solar system.

8. Solar Drag - (Poynting-Robertson Effect). Small and medium size rocks circling the sun are gradully drawn into the sun by gravity. The sun acts like a giant vacuum cleaner, sweeping up about 100,000 tons of micrometeoroids each day. Each particle
absorbs and re-radiates energy from the sun, causing them to slow down and fall into the sun. At today’s rate, our sun would have sucked in most solar dust particles larger than 100,000th of a centimetre in less than 10,000 years, and all of it within 50,000
years. Yet the abundance of these particles, with no known source of replenishment, points to a young solar system.

III. EVIDENCE FROM OTHER PLANETS

9. Meteoroids bombarding Saturn’s rings - would have destroyed them in less than10,000 years.

10. Solid Ammonia in Saturn’s rings - with a higher vapour pressure than ice, could not survive long without vaporising into space. Young rings imply a young Saturn.

11. Jupiter’s Moons - If they evolved, they should be physically alike, having the same amount of volcanoes and impact craters, but this is not so. Evolution claims that all planets were molten 5 million years ago and volcanic activity ceased 4 billion years ago as they cooled. The moons Ganymede and Callisto have no volcanoes and many impact craters. Europa has no volcanoes and no impact craters. Io has 7 activevolcanoes and no impact craters. Titan has volcanoes.

12. Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune - (4) have rings, which could not survive 4 billion years. Jupiter’s intense magnetic field radiation would sweep out its rings.

13. Venus’ high temperature and little erosion - imply a young age for Venus. If Venus was 4 billion years old, its dense atmosphere should have worn away its craters.

14. Mars has little erosion and some water - Mars has many sharp edged craters and volcanoes, as well as month-long dust storms. Several thousand years of this weather would have seriously eroded these edges and its strong colour differences. Powerful solar UV radiation would have long ago broken down the small amount of water, releasing the oxygen into the atmosphere and hydrogen into space. Evolution predicts no surface water and much atmospheric oxygen, but measurements show the opposite being some surface water and very little atmospheric oxygen.

IV. EVIDENCE FROM OUR MOON

15. Lunar Gases - Argon 36 and Krypton 84 inert gases on the moon came from the sun as ‘solar wind’. Based on today’s solar wind intensity, today’s amount of these gases would be built up in under 10,000 years.

16. Lunar Recession - Due to tidal friction, the moon is moving away from earth at about 4cm per year (1 ½ inches). At this rate, 5 billion years ago the moon would have been
200,000 Km closer.

17. Lunar quakes, lava flows and gas emissions - show that the moon is not a cold, dead body. It is still adjusting to inner stresses and is not yet in thermal equilibrium. If it were
5 billion years old, it would not show such thermal activity.

18. Lunar Isotopes. Short-lived Uranium 236 and Thorium 230 - were found in moon rocks.If the moon were 5 billion years old, these isotopes would long ago have decayed to lead. But instead they are relatively abundant in moon rocks. Thorium 230 has a half-life of 75,400 years, and Uranium 236 of 23 million years.

19. Moon dust - comes from meteorite dust and from solar radiation breaking surface rocks to dust at a rate of 3/10,000ths of an inch per year. The one-eighth of an inch of moon dust implies a young moon, not a 5 billion year old moon.

V. EVIDENCE FROM EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE

20. Atmospheric Helium - comes from radioactive decay of Uranium and Thorium as they emit alpha particles (Helium nuclei), as well as alpha particles from the sun. Although hydrogen can escape earth’s atmosphere, Helium cannot.

Years to reach present Helium level = 

          Present mass of Helium                  

Rate of Helium formation each year
                                                         

   = 3.5 x 1015 grams Helium         

3 x 1011 grams Helium formed p.a.
 

= 11,600 years to reach present levels.

If earth was 4 billion years old, there would be 400,000 times more Helium in the atmosphere. Where is it? This date of 11,600 years is closer to the Biblical age of earth of 6,000 years.

VI. EVIDENCE FROM METEORITES

21. Meteorite Dust - 20 million meteors enter earth’s atmosphere every 24 hours. These add 25 tons weight to earth each day. Meteorite mass added to the earth in 4 billion years

= 25 tons x 365 x 4 x 10-power-of-9 tons

= 3.65 x 10-power-of-13 tons added.

Surface area of earth = 196,800,000 square miles.

Mass of meteorite dust per square mile =

3.65 x 1013 tons    

1.96 x 108 sq miles

= 186,000 tons per sq mile

Where is all this meteorite dust? It is not there. This implies a young earth.

22. Meteorite Craters - only occur on the earth’s surface, never being found in the rock strata. If earth were 5 billion years old, we would find many meteorite craters in the sedimentary rock strata, but we don’t. Thus all meteorites which have struck the earth,
have hit it in the last 5000 years.

23. Meteorites and Tektite Showers - are only found at or close to the earth’s surface,never in the deeper sedimentary rock strata. If earth were ancient, many would be found all through the geological column. No meteorites have ever been found in the
geological This points to a young earth with sedimentary strata deposited recently and quickly.

VII. EVIDENCE FROM THE GLOBE

24. Earth’s Magnetic Field - is decaying exponentially, according to measurements over 170 years.This points to a half-life of 1,400 years. On this basis, Earth’s magnetic field 7,000years ago would have been 32 times stronger than it is today. 20,000 years ago it would have dissolved the earth. 1 million years ago it would have had greater magnetism (10215 Tesla) than all objects in the universe. It would appear that the
earth could not be more than 6,000 to 7,000 years old. In 1979 NASA launched a satellite ‘Magsat’ to measure earth’s magnetic field. The overall intensity of earth’s field was found to be declining at a rate of 26 nanoteslas per year, with a half-life of just 830 years. Extrapolation shows that the field strength should reach zero in 1,200 years. In the next two millenia, if the present rate of decay is sustained, the dipole moment of the (earth’s magnetic) field should reach zero. Since a past stronger magnetic field deflected more cosmic rays, this would have changed the rate of
Carbon-14 production in the past, giving wrong Carbon-14 dates.

VIII. EVIDENCE FROM BENEATH EARTH’S SURFACE

25. Oil Well Pressure - When oil drillers first penetrate oil wells, oil gushes out because the oil and gas are under great pressure from surrounding rocks. Sedimentary rocks surrounding the oil wells are porous. Studies of these show that the oil would seep out before 100,000 years, but this has not happened. This great oil pressure argues strongly against millions of years age for oil wells, and implies an age for oil of around 10,000 years. Oil, coal and gas were formed during the Great Flood 4,400 years ago (in 2418BC).

26. Lack of Anciently Destroyed Oil Reservoirs - If earth were very old, we would find empty oil reservoirs, where all the oil had leaked out, leaving only residues which would show in drilling cores. Such locations are never found, thus showing that all the
world’s oil reserves were formed recently.

27.Earth’s Molten Interior - Deep within the earth, the rocks are molten. The earth is slowly cooling from the surface inwards according to Stefan’s Law of Radiation. Lord Kelvin in 1889 calculated that the earth could not be billions of years old because of earth’s known rate of cooling, the existing temperature gradient in the earth, and the assumption that the earth could not have been hotter than “white hot” initially.

If earth were billions of years old, it would have cooled far more than it now has, even if we assume a radioactively generated heating mechanism.

28. Zircon/Lead Ratios - Radiogenic lead slowly leaks out of Zircon crystals at normal temperatures, but leaks out more rapidly as the temperature increases. Careful study of zircon crystals from core samples 15,000 feet deep at 313oC in New Mexico show that almost no radiogenic lead had leaked from that super-heated zircon. This strongly points to a young earth.

29. Radiohaloes shorten geologic ages of millions of years to a few thousand years - Radiohaloes are colour rings around microscopic radioactive minerals in rock crystals.“Squashed” Polonium-210 radiohaloes indicate that Jurassic, Triassic and Eocene formations in the Colorado Plateau were deposited within months of one another, not from 225-255 million years apart, as evolution claims. “Orphan” Polonium-218 radiohaloes, having no evidence of their mother elements,imply either instant creation, or drastic changes in radioactive decay rates.

IX. EVIDENCE FROM EARTH’S SURFACE

30. Topsoil accumulation - The average topsoil depth worldwide is 8 inches. Allowing for losses due to erosion, calculations show that it takes 300 to 1,000 years to accumulate one inch of topsoil. On this basis the earth would be about 6,000 to 8,000 years old.

31. Niagara Falls erosion is about 7 feet per year - From their first mapping in 1678 to 1842, the water wore away the top of the falls at a rate of 7 feet per year. Since the gorge is 7 miles long, the age of the Falls =

7 miles x 5280 feet  

mile 7 feet per year

 = 5,280 years (approximately)

This is close to the time of Noah’s Flood 4,400 years ago, especially since the Falls would have eroded faster just after the Flood. For other large waterfalls, the cut distances and rates of erosion agree well with the Falls’ origin 4,400 years ago.

X. EVIDENCE FROM THE OCEANS

32. Coral Growth rates - accurately measured under favourable growth conditions, show
that no known coral formation is older than 3,500 years.

33. Sea ooze - As fish and ocean plants die, they fall to the bottom and form an ooze, or very soft mud on the ocean floor at a rate of one inch every 1,000-5,000 years. Measuring the depth of this ooze indicates a young earth.

34. Ocean Concentrations of elements from rivers and springs - If we assume, as evolutionists must, that the oceans were 100% freshwater (0% mineral content) at the beginning of earth’s history, and knowing today’s amount of each element in the oceans, we may calculate how long each element took to reach today’s concentration level. Of the 51 main elements in sea water, 20 could have accumulated to today’s level in 1,000 years; 9 other elements in 10,000 years, and 8 others in 100,000 years.

For example, Lead (2,000 years); Silicon (8,000 years); Vanadium(10,000 years); Cobalt and Nickel (18,000 years); Caesium (40,000 years); Bismuth (45,000 years); Mercury (42,000 years); Copper (50,000 years); Tin (100,000 years); Sodium (260 million years). Sodium gives the longest accumulation time, so by this method, earth could be no older than 260 million years.

35. Ocean sediment - There is not enough sediment on the sea floors for earth to be 5 billion years old. Rivers add about 28 billion tons of sediment to the oceans each year. If this had occurred for 1 billion years, the continents would have eroded away many times. There would be a layer of sediment on the ocean floor atleast 60 miles thick. However, the average depth of sediment on the ocean floor is about 800 metres, and the continents have not eroded once yet. The Tasman Sea off Australia is not part of a
subduction zone of ocean floor being pushed deep into the earth. Subduction zones could not dispose of 10% of incoming sediment. Hence, sea floors seem young.

36. Juvenile water coming out of volcanoes - has never been in the oceans before. About 1 cubic mile of water is added yearly. 340,000,000 cubic miles of water are on earth's
surface.

Question: How many years would it take to accumulate 340 million cubic miles of water?

Answer: 340 million years. This implies that there were no oceans 340 million years ago, the supposed age of fishes.

So how could life have evolved in the oceans 2,000 million years ago if there were no oceans then?

37. Delta Filling - The Mississippi river dumpsabout 300 million cubic metres of sediment into the Gulf of Mexico each year. If this river were millions of years old, the Gulf would have been filled long ago. Since the delta grows about 250 feet per year, it’s age calculates to about 4000 years, very close to the Flood 4,400 years ago.

XI. EVIDENCE FROM LIVING THINGS

38. Tree Rings - The oldest living things are Bristlecone pines growing in Eastern Nevada, aged about 4,600 years old (sometimes producing 2 growth rings per year, so their
age would be less), and Sequoia Gigantea in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, which are never older than about 4,000 years. These giant redwoods have no known enemies, and never have any dead trees among them. Unless man cuts them down, they never
seem to die. 17 Bristlecone pines are dated about 4,000 years old. Since the Flood occurred about 2,418 BC, this implies that:

a) all the pre-Flood Sequoias and Bristlecones were wiped out by the Flood, and

b) there is no record of any living tree older than the Flood.

Question: If evolution were true, why do we find none of these trees dated 15,000 years or older?

Answer: Because evolution is false. These old trees were planted just after the Flood in 2418 BC.

39. Dinosaur DNA - is so rare that the first sample was discovered in 1995. DNA decomposes soon after the specimen dies. There is no known way for DNA to survive for 70 million years.

XII. EVIDENCE FROM ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS

Man’s Recorded History - If man has lived on earth for 1 million years, why do we only find human records goingback to about 3500 BC? This cuneiform tablet is the oldest human writing fromSumeria. When human records first appear, they show man to be highly developed with a sophisticated civilisation.

 The Bible is valid history and should not be dismissed. It consistently verifies authentic archaeological research. If the Bible’s post Flood dates have been
confirmed as accurate by cross checking them with Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian and solar eclipse records, then surely the same accuracy must apply to Biblical dates from Creation (4074 BC) to the Flood (2418 BC) in Genesis 1-10.

 Because of the rarity of solar eclipses at any given location, and because astronomers can date every solar eclipse going back thousands of years, when an ancient tablet or manuscript mentions a solar eclipse, we can
accurately date that record, and other events associated with it in other countries. Before 2250 BC, we have no records of any solar eclipse being seen by man. “The earliest Chinese date which can be assigned with any probability is 2250 BC, based on an astronomical reference.

 The oldest writing is a Sumerian pictograph written on clay tablets dated about 3500 BC.

 Do evolutionists expect us to believe that man sat around for 1 million years doing nothing, building nothing, showing no signs of intelligence or engineering, then suddenly design and build highly technical pyramids in Egypt, the oldest being
the step Pyramid for King Zoser in about 2600 BC? This date closely matches the Biblical Flood date of 2418 BC. This confirms Bible chronology better than evolutionary speculation and guesswork.

REFUTING THE GEOLOGICAL COLUMN TIMETABLE

How do evolutionists/geologists construct this time scale?

the past at the same rate as today, about one foot every 5000 years.

others. Where are their fossils? Nowhere, because they were not suddenly buried by a catastrophe, but were eaten by scavengers, or rotted, decayed and dissipated. Dust and leaves falling over a carcass will not preserve it.

Fossils and Artefacts of Early Man that Contradict Evolutionary Succession.

was discovered in 1812 in the Caribbean island of Guadaloupe, in a 1 mile long limestone formation that evolutionists date as 28 million years old. This is a full 25 million years earlier than when man is supposed to have appeared on earth. When this 2 ton limestone block containing Guadeloupe woman was first exhibited in the British Museum in 1812 it was shown as proof of the Genesis Flood. In 1881 it was transferred to the museum’s basement.

Calaveras skull found mineralised in 1876. It was found 130 feet below ground in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. The skull was authenticated by a physician as
equivalent to modern man and certified by an evolutionist (J.D. Whitney, Chief of the California Geological Survey) as having been found in Pliocene Stratum (supposedly 2-5 million years old). This disproves evolutionary dating of rock strata and of ancient
man.

Castinedolo skull found in Castinedolo, Italy is perfectly human and found in Pliocene strata (supposedly 2-5 million years old).

Two Moab skeletons were found in Cretaceous rock (at Moab, Utah) supposedly dated as 70-135 million years old. The University of Utah Anthropologist, J.P. Marwitt certified them as definitely person Sapiens.

buried under 15 feet of rock which was bulldozed off. Their bones were still together at the joints, and stained green by copper salts from the surrounding rocks. In turn, the surrounding rocks were stained by the organics from the bodies. Evolution dates this
rock and hence this human skeleton at 97 million years before humans supposedly appeared.

Freiberg skull found in brown coal in 1842, displayed in the Mining Academy in Freiberg (Saxony).

In 1891, Mrs S.W. Culp in Morrisville, Illinois, dropped and broke a chunk of coal to find embedded in it a 10 inch, 8 carat gold chain. Since evolutionists claim that coal was deposited in the Carboniferous period (300 million years ago), and man supposedly appeared 3 million years ago, they have the problem of a man-made gold chain dated 300 million years before man appeared on earth.

Professor W. Rusch reported an iron pot encased in coal dated by evolutionary standards at 300 million years old.

In 1937, Mrs Myrna Burdeck and her mother found a child’s spoon in soft Pennsylvania coal.

An intricately carved metal bowl was blasted out of solid pudding stone.

Workmen blasting near Dorchester, Massachusetts in 1851, found a bell shaped metal vessel with inlaid silver floral designs embedded in
solid rock.

Sir David Brewster found an iron nail in Cretaceous rock (65-144 million years ago) in the Kingoodie Quarry, North Britain in 1845. The last inch of the nail was embedded in the stone.

is a baked clay figure obtained from a well being bored in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho.

Glen Rose, Texas (40 miles south-west of Dallas) at the Paluxy River contains hundreds of Human footprints both normal and giant size, along side trails of large three-toed dinosaur and Brontosaurus footprints in early Cretaceous limestone dated 120 million years old. Both man and dinosaur are apparently running. These printswere first noticed after a 1908 flood when the Paluxy river rose 27 feet.Clifford Burdick, a mining geologist and Ronald Bird, a paleontologist with the American Museum of Natural History carefully examined and reported on the footprints.

same time.

A report from the Soviet news agency, Tass, says that about 1500 tracks made by dinosaurs have been found in Turkmenia – but among those prints are those resembling the footprints of a man. According to Professor Amanniyazov, director of Turkmenia’s Institute of Geology:

left by anthropoids, the history of mankind will be extended to 150 million, not 5 million years.”
 

In June 1968, William Meister unearthed a fossil shoeprint in the “Wheeler Mid-Cambrian” strata at Antelope Springs, Utah. Trilobites were embedded in both heel and toe. The shoeprint measured 10.25 inches long by 3.5 inches wide, belonging to a right foot which had stepped on several trilobites. Seven other shoe tracks were found in the area precluding this as a quirk. Man and trilobite living together would disprove 500 million years of the geological column.

, which is late Triassic to early Jurassic strata, dated by evolutionists from 100-175 million years ago. Over 60
human tracks were mapped and photographed, some with shoes, some barefooted, some standing still, others walking. At least 300 tridactyl dinosaur tracks have been found in the same strata.

Miners digging in a coal seam in Fisher Canyon, Pershing County, Nevada, found a shoeprint so clear that traces of sewed thread are visible. The coal it was found in has an evolutionary date of 15 million years, long before man “evolved”.

Human footprints were found near Lake Managua, Nicaragua, 16-24 feet beneath the surface, under 11 strata of rock. Mastodon bones and other fossils have been found in strata above the human footprints. Other human footprints
have been found in South America; New Harmony, Indiana; St. Louis, Missouri; Herculaneum, Missouri; Kingston, New York; Berea, Kentucky; Carson City,Nevada.

14) Hammer in “300 million year old” Limestone in London, Texas. This hammer is obviously man made. The problem here for evolutionists is that this artefact shows that man lived at the same time as when limestone was deposited.

Pictures of dinosaur, ibex and other creatures have been found on the walls of the Havasupai Canyon by S. Hubbard, Honorary Curator of Archaeology of the Oakland Museum in the late 1800’s.

Jose Diaz Bolio, a Mexican archaeologist discovered ancient Mayan

Evolution claims 5 toed Llamas were extinct 30 million years ago.

Pollen fromAngiosperm and Gymnosperm trees (woody plants supposedly 260 million years old have been found in Pre Cambrian Hakati shale in the Grand Canyon (supposedly 570 million years old). The problem here for evolutionists is conifer pollen existing 300 million years before it appeared on earth. Some spores are stained with red oxide from surrounding rocks, thus proving that the spores are not from present day contamination.

FLOOD EVIDENCE

which suddenly appeared.

How could this complex range of fauna evolve so suddenly and quickly? This was as unexplainable to Darwin as it is to Evolutionists today.

The existence of billions of plant and animal fossils preserved in the earth’s crust speaks of a flood catastrophe. The fossil record is not “incomplete” as evolutionists argue, (incomplete only because it does not contain the links they need to prove evolution), but is quantitatively huge, with a greater variety of species than are alive today.

Alaska, frozen so rapidly that their flesh is edible today.

Where is one example of fossilisation occurring on a scale today equivalent to the magnitude of fossil graveyards worldwide?

: Fossilisation is unnatural, abnormal, catastrophic, quick and the exception.

Crossing several rock strata are trees preserved as well at their tops as at their bottoms. These fossil trees bridge an evolutionary imagined time span of millions of years, that would preclude their “in place” growth and fossilisation.

Were these tree's standing unweathered for millions of years while strata was slowly deposited all around them?

Flood accounts of isolated groups would change over time, but the basic ideas of a universal Flood, safety in a ship, with few people surviving would survive. Noah’s ark would have been almost impossible to capsize, having a length to width ratio of 6 to 1 (ie. 300:50 cubits).

The existence of billions of plant and animal fossils preserved in theearth’s crust speaks of a flood catastrophe. The fossil record is not “incomplete” as evolutionists argue, (incomplete only because it does not contain the links they need to prove evolution), but is quantitatively huge, with a greater variety of species than are alive
today.

trees extend through several layers of coal.

Where is one example of fossilisation occurring on a scale today equivalent
to the magnitude of fossil graveyards worldwide?

[Quote: Originally Posted by mwhit82] I know evolution is such a joke...I mean who has watched MUTANT PLANTET on Disc Science, those dudes must be describing lies...What animal/species evolves from conditions created by environment????  I doubt that madadascar, let alone certain species can evolve, since that is so much a part of africa, or hell those mountains in Japan must never have allowed certain species to develop or evolve ...
If I believed in religious concepts I'd say the hawaii'n Islands don't exist, but they do so maybe the volcanoes created can discount those issues...If that's the case then maybe species of different DNA replications allowed for the certain species to dominate....I'm only talking some science/dna shit so discount my observations since it clearly doesn't hold up to thousands of years of philophy/writings that when written believed the earth was flat and was the center of the galaxy .....
Fuck only if I could prove the Earth was the center of the galaxy, though I have scientific data that those thoughts are so far from the truth,  but Hell I still believe so please call me an IDIOT

Ignorance of science is TRULY NO PROOF OF GOD I actually think it disproves any religious belief, and for those who really think god exists, I quote Stephen Colbert "if god didn't create god then oh shit who did"?????

If you understand the billions of stars in our own galaxy and understand the billions of galaxies then maybe I could listen to your viewpoint, but most god "believers" don't comprehend this complex I have little belief they comprehend the complexity of Life
Since I don't believe in GOD I ask those who do to please explain who taught them to believe in his existence....Also I ask have you read 1984 by Orwell??? You probably learned in a church and by your parents, damn dude that shit must be true since I've never heard of a church or someone's parents lie

C'mon all you follower's please explain your ignorance!!! WHY???
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@  mwhit82: The above ^^^^^^^ post are distorted with missing information that are not appearing once the post is sumitted for public viewing. Crazy hours of the morning  after a night out and wont force a solution trouble shooting to correct any futher. If the mods can erase post 33-41 will re-post or can PM at your request...... 

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so carbon dating only works up to a certain pt in time then it becomes unreliable?

ive asked this in another thread,

can any ID (intelligent designer) explain vestigial organs or carbon monoxide (CO) poising?
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@ steveshane67 -  Before I sign out will take a look at your two questions in Carbon dating and vestigal organs... hope the appear as written once sumitted...

@ steveshane67 - Forum is not translating what is written once sumitted. Will forward a response to your Carbon dating question as the above ^^^^^ post is a picasso entry of jig-saw word formations and missing sentences e.c.t.

  Mods, please delete post #43 w/ #33 - #41 

Good question on the organ's SS67..... now were thinking outside the realms of unicorn's..... Tackle that one when I re-author the rest....

Roc on all

Think of it like this..

Science and mathematicians have proven that the universe has a birthdate...

Meaning that time and space came into existence...Prior to this moment, time and space did not exist.

We know that something cannot come from nothing.....

Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that there was a 4th kind which can probably be said as the spritual world......(GOD)...

The fact that we can see design and complexity in this universe is a very clear sign of a creator......God.......

Non believers basically believe that something can come from nothing and we basically won the cosmic lottery in terns of the fine tuning of the universe......

The odds of life supporting condition to come randomly are so large that it is basically incomprehensible to think about it

The bible says that the earth is in the shape of a sphere.everyone at the time said that the world is flat......We find out later that it is in fact in the shape of a sphere.....

The bible says "he hangs the earth on nothing", yet people at the time believed that the earth rested on 3 large tortouses......

The bible says that the number of stars in the universe cannot be counted.yet people at the time believed that there were something like 120 odd stars......

There are plenty plenty plenty more examples.....How with no technology would the people who wrote the bible know these?

Koston do you identify yourself as a christian ?

[Quote: Originally Posted by steveshane67]

so carbon dating only works up to a certain pt in time then it becomes unreliable?

ive asked this in another thread,

can any ID (intelligent designer) explain vestigial organs or carbon monoxide (CO) poising?
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Vestigal Organs are structures for which no use has been found. A list of close to one hundred such organs could be found in textbooks when the idea was first proposed. At present, very few organs are called vestigal organs. This is because man has discovered the function for many of these structures. The term "vestigal" is really a trendy word for biologists use in place of conceeding thier ignorance of the function of some organs.

The appendix, the ear muscle and the third eyelid, or nictiting membrane, are supposed to be organs once used by man at an earlier evolution stage.

So an evolutionist will claim that these organs that were onced integral to our survival that we seem to have evolved beyond needing.

Though lets look at this from a medical perspective.

The spleen often regarded as a useless organ, in fact serves an integral part in our body's immune system new study has surfaced. These findings remind us that even our vestigal organs can serve important functions thbat we have yet to discover.

Most people are familiar with the spleen as the organ that ruptures during sports injuries or automobile accidents and is required to be removed. However the spleen also serves as an important storehouse for monocytes, white blood cells that are essential to our immune system. Previously, scientists believed monocytes were stored only in the blood stream. In fact, the spleen contains ten times as many of these helpful cells.

The spleen provides a standing army of sorts for the body to use in times of crisis. This army is particular important after heart attacks, where the rush of monocytes literally helps heal your damaged heart.

An early study between World War II veterans also found a link between the spleen and heart attacks. Those who had their spleen removed due to war injuries suffered a mortality rate from heart disease and pneumonia that was twice as large as those who hadnt.

[Quote: Originally Posted by mwhit82] ....I'm only talking some science/dna shit so discount my observations since it clearly doesn't hold up to thousands of years of philophy/writings that when written believed the earth was flat and was the center of the galaxy .....
Fuck only if I could prove the Earth was the center of the galaxy, though I have scientific data that those thoughts are so far from the truth,  but Hell I still believe so please call me an IDIOT

Ignorance of science is TRULY NO PROOF OF GOD I actually think it disproves any religious belief, and for those who really think god exists, I quote Stephen Colbert "if god didn't create god then oh shit who did"?????

Rostos post are sourced of the scriptures from the book of Job for further research purposes.

Rostos provided a drop in the ocean of evidence to support that the individuals inspired by God to author the bible believed not that the earth was flat.

The scriptures are a testimony to science from its detail of the treasures of snow crystals. Where it wasnt untill modern times that it was discovered no two crystals are the same. Being all beautiful 6 sided patterns, just like exquisite treasures.

The bible told of wind circuits and with attention to detail. At the equator, the sun heats the air causing it to rise. In the uppermost atmosphere this air flows away from the equator. When the air returns to the earth's surface, it flows across the surface. This moving surface air produces the six belts of prevailing winds around the earth.

The bible scriptures told of sea paths and ocean currents. Paths translated in Hebrew means customary roads. Mathew Maury is the father of Oceanography. A statue of him exists in Virginia with charts of the sea in one hand and a bible in the other. Untill maury's work there were no charts of sailing lanes. One day during a temporary illness, his son read from Psalm's. Maury stopped him to read it again. Maury then said:

"It is enough. If the word of God says that there are paths in the sea, they must be there, and I am going to find them".

Within a few years he had charted the sea lanes and ocean currents.

How did the bible know about sea paths or ocean currents?

God revealed The second Law of Thermodynamic and physics.

Pleiades Constellation is a Bound cluster, not breaking up. God revealed Pleiades star cluster is bound together in a highly stable group. Today's high powered telescopes has shown to be true.

The scriptures revealed that clouds are balanced by two forces: gravity pulling them downwards and warm air pushing them upwards.

When the Bible makes a scientific statement, it is always proven correct after man has discovered all of the relevant facts. In the library of the Louvre in Paris there are 3.5 miles of obsolete science books on the shelves.

In 1861, the French Academy of Science published a list of 51 facts which supposedly contradicted the Bible. Today all 51 of these "facts" are unacceptable to modern scientists

Science textbooks of a decade are not considered current having been out dated. The Bible's scientific information hasnt been out dated continuing to outlive those that challenge it.

The Bible has never been disproven, only rejected... 

@ mwhit82: With your DNA knowlege that you use credit with holding absolute truth to your belief, please explain to myself the riddle of God's Lawnmower:

Man, who is smarter than the cow, has yet to build a machine that does what the cow does, namely take green grass and turn it into white milk that grows blonde, black and red hair!

It requires 3 stomachs working in perfect precision, for the cow to turn green grass into white milk. Each stomach has a hundred of enzymes working in perfect precision. Each of these enzymes is made up of proteins which are precision created by r-DNA (DNA machines). These operate from detailed, identical blueprints found in each of the billions of DNA located in every cell in the cow.

The cow is a marvel of sheer engineering brilliance, proof of a grand designer greater than man. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by OnlyGod]

Koston do you identify yourself as a christian ?

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Always wear the Armor of God and honor the gift of salvation

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist"

- Kevin Spacey (The Usual Suspects). First said by the French poet Baudelaire.