You bring up a very interesting topic that I would like to discuss. Your son is going to Afghanistan in 3 weeks. You are praying that he returns home safely. Now I will preface this by saying that I hope every kid that fights in Afghanistan or anywhere for that matter survives unscathed. However, you and I both know that not everyone survives. So once again, you pray to god that your son returns safe back home. Thousands of other parents do the same. Let's say in a few years your son returns home safely, but some of these other kids unfortunately do not. Here are my questions:
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I am very curious to hear your responses.
You bring up a very interesting topic that I would like to discuss. Your son is going to Afghanistan in 3 weeks. You are praying that he returns home safely. Now I will preface this by saying that I hope every kid that fights in Afghanistan or anywhere for that matter survives unscathed. However, you and I both know that not everyone survives. So once again, you pray to god that your son returns safe back home. Thousands of other parents do the same. Let's say in a few years your son returns home safely, but some of these other kids unfortunately do not. Here are my questions:
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I knew you would answer that way. You say that isn't what god wants. That isn't the point. People think that is what god wants, so they do crazy shit. It doesn't matter at all what you say god actually wants, because people will believe otherwise.
I knew you would answer that way. You say that isn't what god wants. That isn't the point. People think that is what god wants, so they do crazy shit. It doesn't matter at all what you say god actually wants, because people will believe otherwise.
Kitty Katz or Mikniks wrote that if you had children who were never exposed to the theory of God they would never worship anything. This has already been proven to be wrong. In fact every civilization that we found that has been untouched by modern man has in fact had a spiritual practice. So that statement is absolutely incorrect. I'm talking about tribes in Brazil deep in the Amazon that were discovered in the last 50 years. Tribes in the Philippines deep in the jungle that were discovered. All these tribes and there are literally dozens. Every single one of them had spiritual or religious practices. So the whole notion that somehow if society didn't teach children they would never know about God is categorically false. If you don't believe me study it yourself. The spirit of God lives in all of man and even those that are untouched by our modern world know that there is a supreme being.
Kitty Katz or Mikniks wrote that if you had children who were never exposed to the theory of God they would never worship anything. This has already been proven to be wrong. In fact every civilization that we found that has been untouched by modern man has in fact had a spiritual practice. So that statement is absolutely incorrect. I'm talking about tribes in Brazil deep in the Amazon that were discovered in the last 50 years. Tribes in the Philippines deep in the jungle that were discovered. All these tribes and there are literally dozens. Every single one of them had spiritual or religious practices. So the whole notion that somehow if society didn't teach children they would never know about God is categorically false. If you don't believe me study it yourself. The spirit of God lives in all of man and even those that are untouched by our modern world know that there is a supreme being.
Kitty Katz or Mikniks wrote that if you had children who were never exposed to the theory of God they would never worship anything. This has already been proven to be wrong. In fact every civilization that we found that has been untouched by modern man has in fact had a spiritual practice. So that statement is absolutely incorrect. I'm talking about tribes in Brazil deep in the Amazon that were discovered in the last 50 years. Tribes in the Philippines deep in the jungle that were discovered. All these tribes and there are literally dozens. Every single one of them had spiritual or religious practices. So the whole notion that somehow if society didn't teach children they would never know about God is categorically false. If you don't believe me study it yourself. The spirit of God lives in all of man and even those that are untouched by our modern world know that there is a supreme being.
It's not a guarantee, but I would tend to agree they may develop some spiritual beliefs. However, my point was there is no chance those beliefs would be the same Christian beliefs that Christians have today.
Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Kitty Katz or Mikniks wrote that if you had children who were never exposed to the theory of God they would never worship anything. This has already been proven to be wrong. In fact every civilization that we found that has been untouched by modern man has in fact had a spiritual practice. So that statement is absolutely incorrect. I'm talking about tribes in Brazil deep in the Amazon that were discovered in the last 50 years. Tribes in the Philippines deep in the jungle that were discovered. All these tribes and there are literally dozens. Every single one of them had spiritual or religious practices. So the whole notion that somehow if society didn't teach children they would never know about God is categorically false. If you don't believe me study it yourself. The spirit of God lives in all of man and even those that are untouched by our modern world know that there is a supreme being.
It's not a guarantee, but I would tend to agree they may develop some spiritual beliefs. However, my point was there is no chance those beliefs would be the same Christian beliefs that Christians have today.
You bring up a very interesting topic that I would like to discuss. Your son is going to Afghanistan in 3 weeks. You are praying that he returns home safely. Now I will preface this by saying that I hope every kid that fights in Afghanistan or anywhere for that matter survives unscathed. However, you and I both know that not everyone survives. So once again, you pray to god that your son returns safe back home. Thousands of other parents do the same. Let's say in a few years your son returns home safely, but some of these other kids unfortunately do not. Here are my questions:
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I am very curious to hear your responses.
I love how you ask questions but never want to directly answer any. I will give you my opinion about this and this is only my view. I don't speak for all Christians because my beliefs aren't part of mainstream Christianity so don't take it as such. This will only be my opinion. I'm not looking for people to agree with me. I will be back shortly to answer these questions.
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
You bring up a very interesting topic that I would like to discuss. Your son is going to Afghanistan in 3 weeks. You are praying that he returns home safely. Now I will preface this by saying that I hope every kid that fights in Afghanistan or anywhere for that matter survives unscathed. However, you and I both know that not everyone survives. So once again, you pray to god that your son returns safe back home. Thousands of other parents do the same. Let's say in a few years your son returns home safely, but some of these other kids unfortunately do not. Here are my questions:
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I am very curious to hear your responses.
I love how you ask questions but never want to directly answer any. I will give you my opinion about this and this is only my view. I don't speak for all Christians because my beliefs aren't part of mainstream Christianity so don't take it as such. This will only be my opinion. I'm not looking for people to agree with me. I will be back shortly to answer these questions.
I knew you would answer that way. You say that isn't what god wants. That isn't the point. People think that is what god wants, so they do crazy shit. It doesn't matter at all what you say god actually wants, because people will believe otherwise.
When zelouts say this, it is no more than any political statement.
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
I knew you would answer that way. You say that isn't what god wants. That isn't the point. People think that is what god wants, so they do crazy shit. It doesn't matter at all what you say god actually wants, because people will believe otherwise.
When zelouts say this, it is no more than any political statement.
It's not a guarantee, but I would tend to agree they may develop some spiritual beliefs. However, my point was there is no chance those beliefs would be the same Christian beliefs that Christians have today.
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
I dont think anyone deep down believes that,
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
It's not a guarantee, but I would tend to agree they may develop some spiritual beliefs. However, my point was there is no chance those beliefs would be the same Christian beliefs that Christians have today.
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
I dont think anyone deep down believes that,
I truly believe my life is completely and utterly meaningless. I honestly do.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
I dont think anyone deep down believes that,
I truly believe my life is completely and utterly meaningless. I honestly do.
This is our only life. We should all be allowed to enjoy it.
There is a difference between enjoying it and having an intrinsic value.
You have an intrinsic value, you were created for a purpose. if you were just an accident, you would not have any intrinsic value therefore if i kill you, there is no loss. You cant incur a loss if there is no intrinsic value.
Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
This is our only life. We should all be allowed to enjoy it.
There is a difference between enjoying it and having an intrinsic value.
You have an intrinsic value, you were created for a purpose. if you were just an accident, you would not have any intrinsic value therefore if i kill you, there is no loss. You cant incur a loss if there is no intrinsic value.
There is a difference between enjoying it and having an intrinsic value.
You have an intrinsic value, you were created for a purpose. if you were just an accident, you would not have any intrinsic value therefore if i kill you, there is no loss. You cant incur a loss if there is no intrinsic value.
See I don't think any of us have intrinsic value. We have no purpose.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
There is a difference between enjoying it and having an intrinsic value.
You have an intrinsic value, you were created for a purpose. if you were just an accident, you would not have any intrinsic value therefore if i kill you, there is no loss. You cant incur a loss if there is no intrinsic value.
See I don't think any of us have intrinsic value. We have no purpose.
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
Of course I would thank God that my son is returned safely just like I did when he went to Iraq. Me thanking God has nothing to do with other parents losing their kids. With that said I feel compassion for any family that loses a loved one whether it's because of war or an innocent young man being killed because of senseless gang violence that plagues our country.
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
Why would I blame God? Just like Job in the bible was tested where everything was taken from him and the devil wanted him to curse God. Whether you believe in the Devil is irrelevant. The beauty of the bible is that it covers all of our conditions. The good, bad and the ugly. Even sex is covered in the bible and I'm not talking about the stories of rape and murder. If you read it with an open mind you might gain wisdom and discernment. We all have to die someday and if it's meant for my any of my son's to die fighting for their country or what they believe in. So be it. That isn't God's fault. That's man exercising his free will. Now I do believe in certain instances God's Angels do intervene in some circumstances, how and why I don't know. But I can tell you of experiences that I have had that are completely unexplained but I'm here today because of divine intervention and I am grateful. I have been involved in numerous situations which I really can't get into on a public forum but when I have told you that God is real I'm not just talking out of the side of my neck. Others may say well they can't say for sure but I can say for sure and if that bothers people. Oh well. I don't need to prove anything to anybody. But I digress. It's not God's fault when bad things happen to us.
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I don't know if God favors some kids over others but I will say that some people have more favor in the eyes of God for whatever reason. That's the thing we don't always know what God's will is and sometimes what we want and what the Universe is doing may conflict. We don't know the big picture. Why does the government not tell us the truth about UFO's. What is the secret that children at Fatima told the Catholic Church many years ago that every Pope takes to his deathbed? There alot of mysteries that we simply don't know the answer to. God has given man free will to choose his own destiny and through this free will God experiences all that is. God lives in each and every one of us. Instead of looking for some man up in space passing judgement on you. Look into the mirror and see the real you. Not the physical you but the real you the one that you keep running from. You will not find him in some scientific book as proof. You must go within the depths of your mind. Through meditation you will experience the real you and confront the ego the one that has filled your life with all these lies. Once you get the courage to fight the greatest battle and that battle is the battle you fight with yourself then and only then will you start seeing things differently. It takes courage to do this. Atheism is an excuse not to take that journey because you wait for "proof" and "evidence" that isn't forthcoming. That is why I have used the word coward repeatedly to get you guys to understand that you have to have courage to take the journey. I'm not talking about getting wrapped up in some mind control hell and brimstone church. God is bigger than all of that. God can't be contained in a church. God is everpresent and everloving. If you don't allow yourself to experience God's love you are truly missing out on one of the treasures of life. I have had many atheist friends and I always tell them to not take my word for it. Seek for yourself and you know what I can tell you that some that have done that are no longer atheist because they have come to grips with their own perception of God. Not in a religious way and that's where you atheist get it all twisted. God has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If religion is a way for people to get closer to God that's fine but God isn't a religion. Once you understand that you're halfway home. The other half you will have to take yourself and seek the one that made you on your own terms. The beauty of God is that he will meet all of us on our level of understanding. I will close once again by saying that this isn't a debatable subject. You ask my opinion and I have given it. If you or anyone don't like it that's fine. If you think I'm crazy that's fine. I draw the line when atheist try to tell me God doesn't exist or that I need to provide proof. If you look at all my posts not once have I said let me provide proof to you. I have only stated my beliefs that I believe. I have also stated that I respect everyone's religious or spiritual beliefs as long as you believe in God that's good enough for me. You have never read a post from me saying all Muslims, Hindus, Jehovah's Witnesses etc are going to hell. I don't believe that. But I do believe with all my heart that it's important to believe in God because when you deny God you deny yourself. I will conclude by asking you to answer my question. Because the frustrating part about dealing with you atheist is you never give an answer because you don't know what to say or perhaps fear takes over I don't know. But I asked a simple question and it would be nice to get a straight forward answer for once on this thread without dodging or asking more questions.
1. Would you thank god for returning your son to you even though he didn't return other kids to other parents?
Of course I would thank God that my son is returned safely just like I did when he went to Iraq. Me thanking God has nothing to do with other parents losing their kids. With that said I feel compassion for any family that loses a loved one whether it's because of war or an innocent young man being killed because of senseless gang violence that plagues our country.
2. Would you blame god if you were one of the parents who prayed and who's kid didn't make it?
Why would I blame God? Just like Job in the bible was tested where everything was taken from him and the devil wanted him to curse God. Whether you believe in the Devil is irrelevant. The beauty of the bible is that it covers all of our conditions. The good, bad and the ugly. Even sex is covered in the bible and I'm not talking about the stories of rape and murder. If you read it with an open mind you might gain wisdom and discernment. We all have to die someday and if it's meant for my any of my son's to die fighting for their country or what they believe in. So be it. That isn't God's fault. That's man exercising his free will. Now I do believe in certain instances God's Angels do intervene in some circumstances, how and why I don't know. But I can tell you of experiences that I have had that are completely unexplained but I'm here today because of divine intervention and I am grateful. I have been involved in numerous situations which I really can't get into on a public forum but when I have told you that God is real I'm not just talking out of the side of my neck. Others may say well they can't say for sure but I can say for sure and if that bothers people. Oh well. I don't need to prove anything to anybody. But I digress. It's not God's fault when bad things happen to us.
3. Do you think god favors some kids over others? Follow up: Isn't that fact that some kids survive and others don't increase the likelihood of this?
I don't know if God favors some kids over others but I will say that some people have more favor in the eyes of God for whatever reason. That's the thing we don't always know what God's will is and sometimes what we want and what the Universe is doing may conflict. We don't know the big picture. Why does the government not tell us the truth about UFO's. What is the secret that children at Fatima told the Catholic Church many years ago that every Pope takes to his deathbed? There alot of mysteries that we simply don't know the answer to. God has given man free will to choose his own destiny and through this free will God experiences all that is. God lives in each and every one of us. Instead of looking for some man up in space passing judgement on you. Look into the mirror and see the real you. Not the physical you but the real you the one that you keep running from. You will not find him in some scientific book as proof. You must go within the depths of your mind. Through meditation you will experience the real you and confront the ego the one that has filled your life with all these lies. Once you get the courage to fight the greatest battle and that battle is the battle you fight with yourself then and only then will you start seeing things differently. It takes courage to do this. Atheism is an excuse not to take that journey because you wait for "proof" and "evidence" that isn't forthcoming. That is why I have used the word coward repeatedly to get you guys to understand that you have to have courage to take the journey. I'm not talking about getting wrapped up in some mind control hell and brimstone church. God is bigger than all of that. God can't be contained in a church. God is everpresent and everloving. If you don't allow yourself to experience God's love you are truly missing out on one of the treasures of life. I have had many atheist friends and I always tell them to not take my word for it. Seek for yourself and you know what I can tell you that some that have done that are no longer atheist because they have come to grips with their own perception of God. Not in a religious way and that's where you atheist get it all twisted. God has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If religion is a way for people to get closer to God that's fine but God isn't a religion. Once you understand that you're halfway home. The other half you will have to take yourself and seek the one that made you on your own terms. The beauty of God is that he will meet all of us on our level of understanding. I will close once again by saying that this isn't a debatable subject. You ask my opinion and I have given it. If you or anyone don't like it that's fine. If you think I'm crazy that's fine. I draw the line when atheist try to tell me God doesn't exist or that I need to provide proof. If you look at all my posts not once have I said let me provide proof to you. I have only stated my beliefs that I believe. I have also stated that I respect everyone's religious or spiritual beliefs as long as you believe in God that's good enough for me. You have never read a post from me saying all Muslims, Hindus, Jehovah's Witnesses etc are going to hell. I don't believe that. But I do believe with all my heart that it's important to believe in God because when you deny God you deny yourself. I will conclude by asking you to answer my question. Because the frustrating part about dealing with you atheist is you never give an answer because you don't know what to say or perhaps fear takes over I don't know. But I asked a simple question and it would be nice to get a straight forward answer for once on this thread without dodging or asking more questions.
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
I dont think anyone deep down believes that,
Very well said Rostos.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Man will always question what they are doing here on earth and what this all means. Man logically puts meaning and value to his life, if there is no creator then life has no value or meaning to it. If there is no creator, then we dont have an instrinsic value, if we dont have a creator with a purpose, then we simply have no intrinsic value. We are just an accident.
I truly believe my life is completely and utterly meaningless. I honestly do.
Finally a real statement from an atheist. Follow me on this. Read Rostos Post #4162 then read my long winded answer to your questions. Erase the thoughts of religion from your mind. Religion is the killer of the spirit at times because of the dogma that man has injected into it. After you read those I would hope that you can see why I call atheism the big lie. Because a belief in nothing creates the feeling that you're feeling. Now I'm not saying that because theists believe in God it's all champagne and caviar either but I will say this. No life is meaningless on this planet. There is a reason why we're all here. Our job is to figure that out and go about fulfilling our mission whatever that is. By going within and getting in touch with your true self you will then be able to have fellowship with God and that empty feeling you feel will soon go away. Again it's not magic where you wont have tough days or test. Oh no everybody will go through that but when you go through it with God on your side believe me it makes life a lot easier to deal with. Do you have to be perfect? Like my Mom used to say (God bless her soul) when you get perfect you leave this planet. So don't get caught up in the perfection trap. It's about progress not perfection.
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
I truly believe my life is completely and utterly meaningless. I honestly do.
Finally a real statement from an atheist. Follow me on this. Read Rostos Post #4162 then read my long winded answer to your questions. Erase the thoughts of religion from your mind. Religion is the killer of the spirit at times because of the dogma that man has injected into it. After you read those I would hope that you can see why I call atheism the big lie. Because a belief in nothing creates the feeling that you're feeling. Now I'm not saying that because theists believe in God it's all champagne and caviar either but I will say this. No life is meaningless on this planet. There is a reason why we're all here. Our job is to figure that out and go about fulfilling our mission whatever that is. By going within and getting in touch with your true self you will then be able to have fellowship with God and that empty feeling you feel will soon go away. Again it's not magic where you wont have tough days or test. Oh no everybody will go through that but when you go through it with God on your side believe me it makes life a lot easier to deal with. Do you have to be perfect? Like my Mom used to say (God bless her soul) when you get perfect you leave this planet. So don't get caught up in the perfection trap. It's about progress not perfection.
I must say Kitty Katz I'm impressed with you tonight. I think that maybe you have opened up a door and even though you don't believe I will pray that God gives you the strength and courage to keep examining yourself and those feelings that you feel. That is your true self letting you know that it needs to be fed. It doesn't ask for proof or evidence it just is. Walk through that door and you will become a better happier person for it I guarantee you. Don't let anybody talk you out of it. At some point in the future if you feel comfortable about it. Ask God for a sign that he is real and he will give you a sign that is personal to you. It may not mean diddly squat to anybody else but it will mean something to you. But I'm probably getting way ahead of myself so disregard that until you're ready.
I must say Kitty Katz I'm impressed with you tonight. I think that maybe you have opened up a door and even though you don't believe I will pray that God gives you the strength and courage to keep examining yourself and those feelings that you feel. That is your true self letting you know that it needs to be fed. It doesn't ask for proof or evidence it just is. Walk through that door and you will become a better happier person for it I guarantee you. Don't let anybody talk you out of it. At some point in the future if you feel comfortable about it. Ask God for a sign that he is real and he will give you a sign that is personal to you. It may not mean diddly squat to anybody else but it will mean something to you. But I'm probably getting way ahead of myself so disregard that until you're ready.
Smoothd - First I thank you for answering my questions.
The first thing I wanna say is that I just cannot comprehend or even fathom a reason why god would create anything or anyone or why he would care at all, which contributes to my belief that life is meaningless. Humans have been around for such a short period of time and it took billions of years (perhaps more than we even know) for them to evolve. It just makes no sense to me as to why god would care at all. So that's that.
Regarding praying to god. Your answers demonstrate that praying to god is meaningless. You said you would pray to god to bring your son home, but if he didn't you wouldn't blame god because maybe it was your son's time. If that is the case, why pray at all if god is gonna do what he wants anyway?
Finally - I will answer your questions as best I can. I am sorry but I have not seen a question from you recently nor do I remember your most recent one. If I overlooked it, I apologize, I (probably) didn't mean to.
Just know this about me: I have tried to believe in god, I really have. I just can't conceive of any reason for god to exist or for me to think he does. It just makes no sense to me. I can't imagine anything occurring outside of something truly supernatural that would convince me otherwise.
Smoothd - First I thank you for answering my questions.
The first thing I wanna say is that I just cannot comprehend or even fathom a reason why god would create anything or anyone or why he would care at all, which contributes to my belief that life is meaningless. Humans have been around for such a short period of time and it took billions of years (perhaps more than we even know) for them to evolve. It just makes no sense to me as to why god would care at all. So that's that.
Regarding praying to god. Your answers demonstrate that praying to god is meaningless. You said you would pray to god to bring your son home, but if he didn't you wouldn't blame god because maybe it was your son's time. If that is the case, why pray at all if god is gonna do what he wants anyway?
Finally - I will answer your questions as best I can. I am sorry but I have not seen a question from you recently nor do I remember your most recent one. If I overlooked it, I apologize, I (probably) didn't mean to.
Just know this about me: I have tried to believe in god, I really have. I just can't conceive of any reason for god to exist or for me to think he does. It just makes no sense to me. I can't imagine anything occurring outside of something truly supernatural that would convince me otherwise.
Life is completely meaningless. We are not here for a reason. Knowing this actually makes my life better. I know this life is all we have, so I plan to enjoy it to the fullest, which is what I have done to this point.
I will never "find" god, partially because there isn't one to find, but mostly because I don't need to look for one. I don't need to think an all powerful being is going to help me through tough times. I am man enough to handle adversity by myself. If you ask a god for help and truly believe he will help you, that in turn will get you through hard times, simply because you feel you are not alone. That just isn't for me. I don't need a confidence booster like that, because as I said earlier, I can handle things on my own.
Life is completely meaningless. We are not here for a reason. Knowing this actually makes my life better. I know this life is all we have, so I plan to enjoy it to the fullest, which is what I have done to this point.
I will never "find" god, partially because there isn't one to find, but mostly because I don't need to look for one. I don't need to think an all powerful being is going to help me through tough times. I am man enough to handle adversity by myself. If you ask a god for help and truly believe he will help you, that in turn will get you through hard times, simply because you feel you are not alone. That just isn't for me. I don't need a confidence booster like that, because as I said earlier, I can handle things on my own.
I am coming from the same place as Kitty. I too tried to believe in a god. I want more than anything for a god to exist, so I look for any reason to believe, but just can't. It's all too silly.
I am coming from the same place as Kitty. I too tried to believe in a god. I want more than anything for a god to exist, so I look for any reason to believe, but just can't. It's all too silly.
Mikniks and Kitty Katz- I want to address both of you. It's not a matter of not being man enough to deal with things. We all have those urges that we can handle things or that we're tough enough. Both of you guys are still real young as am I. I am young in mind and body. I will tell you this and I'm not bragging but I am probably one of toughest guys you will ever meet. Not just physically I'm talking mentally tough. First of all you have to be mentally tough in America if you're a man of color. But put that aside for a minute. No matter how tough you are there will come a time or two when you will face a crisis in your life that will bring you to your knees and you will need spiritual strength to fight it. The bible says in Epheisans 6:12 what our battle is "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
So no matter how tough we think we are we all need spiritual strength to defeat the forces that attempt to keep us down. Also to pray isn't begging. Prayer is a conversation or an agreement that you are reaching with God. I pray in the affirmative because thats what Jesus taught us. Pray as if it already is. Again you can sit back and say why pray to something or someone that I don't believe exist. I say try it and see what happens. What do you have to lose. No matter what you guys say or do the bottom line is you don't have all the answers. Hell you don't even have 1% of the answers. Here's the kicker neither do we just like the bible says and because we don't have hardly any answers that is the reason why we need spiritual guidance. Your true nature is your spiritual self and to deny your true nature is to starve yourself spiritually. Your spirit needs food just like your body and to stay in ignorance because you can't prove who you really are is like not eating because you don't know who cooked the food.
Mikniks and Kitty Katz- I want to address both of you. It's not a matter of not being man enough to deal with things. We all have those urges that we can handle things or that we're tough enough. Both of you guys are still real young as am I. I am young in mind and body. I will tell you this and I'm not bragging but I am probably one of toughest guys you will ever meet. Not just physically I'm talking mentally tough. First of all you have to be mentally tough in America if you're a man of color. But put that aside for a minute. No matter how tough you are there will come a time or two when you will face a crisis in your life that will bring you to your knees and you will need spiritual strength to fight it. The bible says in Epheisans 6:12 what our battle is "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
So no matter how tough we think we are we all need spiritual strength to defeat the forces that attempt to keep us down. Also to pray isn't begging. Prayer is a conversation or an agreement that you are reaching with God. I pray in the affirmative because thats what Jesus taught us. Pray as if it already is. Again you can sit back and say why pray to something or someone that I don't believe exist. I say try it and see what happens. What do you have to lose. No matter what you guys say or do the bottom line is you don't have all the answers. Hell you don't even have 1% of the answers. Here's the kicker neither do we just like the bible says and because we don't have hardly any answers that is the reason why we need spiritual guidance. Your true nature is your spiritual self and to deny your true nature is to starve yourself spiritually. Your spirit needs food just like your body and to stay in ignorance because you can't prove who you really are is like not eating because you don't know who cooked the food.
One other thing I want to say to you guys and then I have to go to bed. The Holidays are over and I have a business to run so I can't be up till 3 in the morning during the week. This notion that God is a Christian is simply false. God is ALL THAT IS. That means God is beyond any religion. Man has created religions to control other man. It doesn't mean that religions are necessarily bad but you can't confuse religion with God. There is no connection. So you have to stop putting all Christians into the same category and stop mixing God with religion. God isn't a religion. God is love and forgiveness. His laws are governed by Universal Law which is a non respecter of persons. Jesus is the conduit to God. He came to show us the way home. It's ok if you don't believe or accept that but at least you have been exposed to the knowledge of your true self. Good night.
One other thing I want to say to you guys and then I have to go to bed. The Holidays are over and I have a business to run so I can't be up till 3 in the morning during the week. This notion that God is a Christian is simply false. God is ALL THAT IS. That means God is beyond any religion. Man has created religions to control other man. It doesn't mean that religions are necessarily bad but you can't confuse religion with God. There is no connection. So you have to stop putting all Christians into the same category and stop mixing God with religion. God isn't a religion. God is love and forgiveness. His laws are governed by Universal Law which is a non respecter of persons. Jesus is the conduit to God. He came to show us the way home. It's ok if you don't believe or accept that but at least you have been exposed to the knowledge of your true self. Good night.
An empty piece of paper is meaningless, a rock on the street is meaningless.....If you say humans beings are meaningless, then humans should be treated the same as a piece of paper and a rock........But you will object to that wont you?
Deep down, you know life is not meaningless........
An empty piece of paper is meaningless, a rock on the street is meaningless.....If you say humans beings are meaningless, then humans should be treated the same as a piece of paper and a rock........But you will object to that wont you?
Deep down, you know life is not meaningless........
An empty piece of paper is meaningless, a rock on the street is meaningless.....If you say humans beings are meaningless, then humans should be treated the same as a piece of paper and a rock........But you will object to that wont you?
Deep down, you know life is not meaningless........
As George Carlin once said, "The meaning of life is to not die. I figured that out in the 3rd grade."
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
An empty piece of paper is meaningless, a rock on the street is meaningless.....If you say humans beings are meaningless, then humans should be treated the same as a piece of paper and a rock........But you will object to that wont you?
Deep down, you know life is not meaningless........
As George Carlin once said, "The meaning of life is to not die. I figured that out in the 3rd grade."
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