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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Given this scenario, how would you feel if the world has another World War and engages in an all out nuclear war that pretty much comes close to annihilating everyone.. I would assume if you regard life as meaningless you wouldn't be terribly upset then...right?.... if you were one of the handful of survivors?

Would you then just say oh hell with it and just blow yourself away too?


If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit.  I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation.
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Given this scenario, how would you feel if the world has another World War and engages in an all out nuclear war that pretty much comes close to annihilating everyone.. I would assume if you regard life as meaningless you wouldn't be terribly upset then...right?.... if you were one of the handful of survivors?

Would you then just say oh hell with it and just blow yourself away too?


If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit.  I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation.
 
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Looks like Kitty is keeping his word by ignoring you.

I guess I should too, since you clearly can't understand what we're saying.

Mate, even 165 who appears to be an atheist ALSO agrees with me.....

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Looks like Kitty is keeping his word by ignoring you.

I guess I should too, since you clearly can't understand what we're saying.

Mate, even 165 who appears to be an atheist ALSO agrees with me.....

 
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Mate, even 165 who appears to be an atheist ALSO agrees with me.....


Well, I guess that settles it.  You are correct! 
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Mate, even 165 who appears to be an atheist ALSO agrees with me.....


Well, I guess that settles it.  You are correct! 
 
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Apart from you and KK, lets see how many other people think life is completely utterly meaningless......

You dont even know what you are saying.....

You say life is meaningless, yet you have been on here for the past month thinking you are making meaningful statements.....

Do you realise how ridicolous you sound......?

 

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Apart from you and KK, lets see how many other people think life is completely utterly meaningless......

You dont even know what you are saying.....

You say life is meaningless, yet you have been on here for the past month thinking you are making meaningful statements.....

Do you realise how ridicolous you sound......?

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Apart from you and KK, lets see how many other people think life is completely utterly meaningless......

You dont even know what you are saying.....

You say life is meaningless, yet you have been on here for the past month thinking you are making meaningful statements.....

Do you realise how ridicolous you sound......?

 


Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?
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Apart from you and KK, lets see how many other people think life is completely utterly meaningless......

You dont even know what you are saying.....

You say life is meaningless, yet you have been on here for the past month thinking you are making meaningful statements.....

Do you realise how ridicolous you sound......?

 


Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?

don't feel bad, he is a little slow...
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Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?

don't feel bad, he is a little slow...
 
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don't feel bad, he is a little slow...

Seriously man.  I hate having to repeat myself.  They still don't understand simple concepts like appeal to motive.  That must have been explained at least 5 times.  How can a discussion move at a decent pace if we constantly have to explain concepts or ideas over and over?
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don't feel bad, he is a little slow...

Seriously man.  I hate having to repeat myself.  They still don't understand simple concepts like appeal to motive.  That must have been explained at least 5 times.  How can a discussion move at a decent pace if we constantly have to explain concepts or ideas over and over?
 
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 Scientifically, life does have a meaning.  The meaning of life is to live. The real purpose or goal that life must achieve, is to survive. Ever since our most ancient ancestors, that has been our one true goal of life. To survive, simple enough as said, but hard to achieve. 

  One life, live it.  If you don't wish to live, then just die, no one will blame you, it's your life, not ours.
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 Scientifically, life does have a meaning.  The meaning of life is to live. The real purpose or goal that life must achieve, is to survive. Ever since our most ancient ancestors, that has been our one true goal of life. To survive, simple enough as said, but hard to achieve. 

  One life, live it.  If you don't wish to live, then just die, no one will blame you, it's your life, not ours.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

 Scientifically, life does have a meaning.  The meaning of life is to live. The real purpose or goal that life must achieve, is to survive. Ever since our most ancient ancestors, that has been our one true goal of life. To survive, simple enough as said, but hard to achieve. 

  One life, live it.  If you don't wish to live, then just die, no one will blame you, it's your life, not ours.

 My discussion of life's "meaning" is with regards to something beyond surviving, which, like I've said, I don't believe exists (except that which you decide within your life such as a doctor saying his purpose is to save lives).
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 Scientifically, life does have a meaning.  The meaning of life is to live. The real purpose or goal that life must achieve, is to survive. Ever since our most ancient ancestors, that has been our one true goal of life. To survive, simple enough as said, but hard to achieve. 

  One life, live it.  If you don't wish to live, then just die, no one will blame you, it's your life, not ours.

 My discussion of life's "meaning" is with regards to something beyond surviving, which, like I've said, I don't believe exists (except that which you decide within your life such as a doctor saying his purpose is to save lives).
 
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Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?

of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid

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Do you realize how dumb you are because you can't understand what we're saying?

Life is meaningless in the sense that there is no greater purpose, BUT life has relative meaning to family, friends, and possibly society.  What don't you understand?

My life has no intrisic value, but my life is meaningful to my family.  Understand what we're saying?

of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid


YAY HE UNDERSTANDS!!!!! 
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of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid


YAY HE UNDERSTANDS!!!!! 
 
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I also understand in the atheist world view that Stalins life and Mother Theresa' life is NOT ULTIMATELY different.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I also understand in the atheist world view that Stalins life and Mother Theresa' life is NOT ULTIMATELY different.


Correct!
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I also understand in the atheist world view that Stalins life and Mother Theresa' life is NOT ULTIMATELY different.


Correct!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid


This is what we were trying to say.  I'm glad you understand.

Altruism exists because most people are inherently selfish.  People do good for other because it makes themselves feel better.
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of course life is meaningless to you.

Because you think you are the accidental by-product of nature - the result of matter, plus time, plus chance. There is no reason for your existence; all you face is death.

And KK, if you talk about the impact of people on others like doctors, then that is ONLY RELATIVE significance, NOT Ultimate significance. Ultimately, what we all do, is meaningless, especially when there is the cosmic death of the universe, everything would have been meaningless.

Think about it, every single positive thing any person has done, will be ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS.

All your friendships, good deeds, studying, helping others, loving , caring, in the final washup will be ultimately MEANINGLESS.

Because you dont believe in God, you believe you will end up nothing, therefore everything you do is nothing...

DONT CONFUSE RELATIVE MEANING TO ULTIMATE MEANING.

As Russian writer Dhostyevsky put it, "If there is no immortality, then all things are permitted. You may as well just live as you please.

There is no difference between Stalin and Mother Theresa, NONE AT ALL.

If life is all about survivng, and doing all you can to survive, why does altruism exist? What is the point of Smoothd's som going to war? You will say he is trying to make the USA a better place to live, but that is only relative, not ultimate.

If life is utterly meaningless, then everyone should act in their OWN SELFISH interest, no one will hold you accountable.

when you think about it, it would be foolish to do anything else since life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid


This is what we were trying to say.  I'm glad you understand.

Altruism exists because most people are inherently selfish.  People do good for other because it makes themselves feel better.
 
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I also understand in the atheist world view that Stalins life and Mother Theresa' life is NOT ULTIMATELY different.


I'm not sure what is funny about this...
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I also understand in the atheist world view that Stalins life and Mother Theresa' life is NOT ULTIMATELY different.


I'm not sure what is funny about this...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

 

Few guys go up a mountain and write a book and you guys believe every word of it.  If 5 guys went up a mountain today with no proof of anything and wrote a book of invisable men, would you believe it?

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How did the writer of Genesis some 2000 years ago know that the universe had a beginning? Something that scientists with all the technology they have are only now able to confirm.


Came across this thread and started laughing.  While its entertaining I don't have time to read threw its massive 169 pages, quite bible like itself.   So I decided to pick an arrogant and absolutely ignorant (two things most christian/monotheistic ideas share in common)  post to rebuttal.  The bible has tons of inconsistencies that can be directly rebuffed by scientific evidence, empirical data, and most 7 year olds common sense.  Was the world created 6,000 years ago?? Of course not, ask a Geologist.  Was Jesus wife a prostitute...YUP.  And most of the time people who date trashy skanks have a trashy skank mom. Virgin having a baby or skank ho having a baby....NOW WHAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO YOU?

The bible gets one thing right and you want a fucking cookie...
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Few guys go up a mountain and write a book and you guys believe every word of it.  If 5 guys went up a mountain today with no proof of anything and wrote a book of invisable men, would you believe it?

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How did the writer of Genesis some 2000 years ago know that the universe had a beginning? Something that scientists with all the technology they have are only now able to confirm.


Came across this thread and started laughing.  While its entertaining I don't have time to read threw its massive 169 pages, quite bible like itself.   So I decided to pick an arrogant and absolutely ignorant (two things most christian/monotheistic ideas share in common)  post to rebuttal.  The bible has tons of inconsistencies that can be directly rebuffed by scientific evidence, empirical data, and most 7 year olds common sense.  Was the world created 6,000 years ago?? Of course not, ask a Geologist.  Was Jesus wife a prostitute...YUP.  And most of the time people who date trashy skanks have a trashy skank mom. Virgin having a baby or skank ho having a baby....NOW WHAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO YOU?

The bible gets one thing right and you want a fucking cookie...
 
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This is what we were trying to say.  I'm glad you understand.

Altruism exists because most people are inherently selfish.  People do good for other because it makes themselves feel better.

I am sure that American soldier that jumped on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers is feeling good right now?

Lets look at that soldier.

1. If it is all about survival and WE SHOULD all be selfish as the atheists here agreed to in my previous post, ie, selfish to survive, why did that soldier jump on the grenade?

2. Mikmics says it is to feel good, well, i am sure he is feeling good right about now?

3. If the cosmos is going to die a death and everything that happened while the cosmos was "alive", and there is no immortality, then as atheists say, each person should be selfish and all about self survival, then why did that soldier do what he did? TO feel good? Well, i am sure he isnt right now.

That soldiers actions goes against everything the atheist believes.

Logically, the atheist has to say what the soldier did was insane and not logical......

Therefore, what the soldier did was stupid in saving his fellow soldiers.....

Once again, the atheistic worldviews implications are absurd..

 

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This is what we were trying to say.  I'm glad you understand.

Altruism exists because most people are inherently selfish.  People do good for other because it makes themselves feel better.

I am sure that American soldier that jumped on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers is feeling good right now?

Lets look at that soldier.

1. If it is all about survival and WE SHOULD all be selfish as the atheists here agreed to in my previous post, ie, selfish to survive, why did that soldier jump on the grenade?

2. Mikmics says it is to feel good, well, i am sure he is feeling good right about now?

3. If the cosmos is going to die a death and everything that happened while the cosmos was "alive", and there is no immortality, then as atheists say, each person should be selfish and all about self survival, then why did that soldier do what he did? TO feel good? Well, i am sure he isnt right now.

That soldiers actions goes against everything the atheist believes.

Logically, the atheist has to say what the soldier did was insane and not logical......

Therefore, what the soldier did was stupid in saving his fellow soldiers.....

Once again, the atheistic worldviews implications are absurd..

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by CoverUP755:


Came across this thread and started laughing.  While its entertaining I don't have time to read threw its massive 169 pages, quite bible like itself.   So I decided to pick an arrogant and absolutely ignorant (two things most christian/monotheistic ideas share in common)  post to rebuttal.  The bible has tons of inconsistencies that can be directly rebuffed by scientific evidence, empirical data, and most 7 year olds common sense.  Was the world created 6,000 years ago?? Of course not, ask a Geologist.  Was Jesus wife a prostitute...YUP.  And most of the time people who date trashy skanks have a trashy skank mom. Virgin having a baby or skank ho having a baby....NOW WHAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO YOU?

The bible gets one thing right and you want a fucking cookie...

You dead sh##t

If you READ EVERYTHING, you would realise how many OTHER prophecies and sciences the bible has fulfilled that could not have been known at the time.....

Go back to your drugs and alcohol and how continue to be jelous of your friends.....

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Came across this thread and started laughing.  While its entertaining I don't have time to read threw its massive 169 pages, quite bible like itself.   So I decided to pick an arrogant and absolutely ignorant (two things most christian/monotheistic ideas share in common)  post to rebuttal.  The bible has tons of inconsistencies that can be directly rebuffed by scientific evidence, empirical data, and most 7 year olds common sense.  Was the world created 6,000 years ago?? Of course not, ask a Geologist.  Was Jesus wife a prostitute...YUP.  And most of the time people who date trashy skanks have a trashy skank mom. Virgin having a baby or skank ho having a baby....NOW WHAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO YOU?

The bible gets one thing right and you want a fucking cookie...

You dead sh##t

If you READ EVERYTHING, you would realise how many OTHER prophecies and sciences the bible has fulfilled that could not have been known at the time.....

Go back to your drugs and alcohol and how continue to be jelous of your friends.....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I am sure that American soldier that jumped on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers is feeling good right now?

Lets look at that soldier.

1. If it is all about survival and WE SHOULD all be selfish as the atheists here agreed to in my previous post, ie, selfish to survive, why did that soldier jump on the grenade?

2. Mikmics says it is to feel good, well, i am sure he is feeling good right about now?

3. If the cosmos is going to die a death and everything that happened while the cosmos was "alive", and there is no immortality, then as atheists say, each person should be selfish and all about self survival, then why did that soldier do what he did? TO feel good? Well, i am sure he isnt right now.

That soldiers actions goes against everything the atheist believes.

Logically, the atheist has to say what the soldier did was insane and not logical......

Therefore, what the soldier did was stupid in saving his fellow soldiers.....

Once again, the atheistic worldviews implications are absurd..

 


That soldier was stupid. I would do that. But if he wants to do that, who are we to stop him? He obviously cares about others more than himself. That has absolutely NO IMPLICATIONS on any ultimate meaning of life.

I have no problem if you wanna believe we have an ultimate purpose in life but you can't tell us our views are wrong.
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I am sure that American soldier that jumped on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers is feeling good right now?

Lets look at that soldier.

1. If it is all about survival and WE SHOULD all be selfish as the atheists here agreed to in my previous post, ie, selfish to survive, why did that soldier jump on the grenade?

2. Mikmics says it is to feel good, well, i am sure he is feeling good right about now?

3. If the cosmos is going to die a death and everything that happened while the cosmos was "alive", and there is no immortality, then as atheists say, each person should be selfish and all about self survival, then why did that soldier do what he did? TO feel good? Well, i am sure he isnt right now.

That soldiers actions goes against everything the atheist believes.

Logically, the atheist has to say what the soldier did was insane and not logical......

Therefore, what the soldier did was stupid in saving his fellow soldiers.....

Once again, the atheistic worldviews implications are absurd..

 


That soldier was stupid. I would do that. But if he wants to do that, who are we to stop him? He obviously cares about others more than himself. That has absolutely NO IMPLICATIONS on any ultimate meaning of life.

I have no problem if you wanna believe we have an ultimate purpose in life but you can't tell us our views are wrong.
 
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CORRECTION I wouldn't* do that.
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CORRECTION I wouldn't* do that.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

You dead sh##t

If you READ EVERYTHING, you would realise how many OTHER prophecies and sciences the bible has fulfilled that could not have been known at the time.....

Go back to your drugs and alcohol and how continue to be jelous of your friends.....


Well, this is just me, but I would think a book written by god should be 100% true....  You can't really hang your hat on it being coincidentally right about a few things...
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You dead sh##t

If you READ EVERYTHING, you would realise how many OTHER prophecies and sciences the bible has fulfilled that could not have been known at the time.....

Go back to your drugs and alcohol and how continue to be jelous of your friends.....


Well, this is just me, but I would think a book written by god should be 100% true....  You can't really hang your hat on it being coincidentally right about a few things...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


That soldier was stupid. I would do that. But if he wants to do that, who are we to stop him? He obviously cares about others more than himself. That has absolutely NO IMPLICATIONS on any ultimate meaning of life.

I have no problem if you wanna believe we have an ultimate purpose in life but you can't tell us our views are wrong.

So , why dont you start a thread saying what that soldier did was stupid, he shouldnt have done that and instead he should have let his co soldiers die?

Why dont you do that? Lets see how that one turns out for you?

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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


That soldier was stupid. I would do that. But if he wants to do that, who are we to stop him? He obviously cares about others more than himself. That has absolutely NO IMPLICATIONS on any ultimate meaning of life.

I have no problem if you wanna believe we have an ultimate purpose in life but you can't tell us our views are wrong.

So , why dont you start a thread saying what that soldier did was stupid, he shouldnt have done that and instead he should have let his co soldiers die?

Why dont you do that? Lets see how that one turns out for you?

 
 
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If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit.  I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation.

QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikniks:
It says to kill people. How is that ok?

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On pg. 143 #3564 you made that statement above. Then now you make a statement, "If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit. I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation."

Let's analyze these two statements made by you. Because it clearly defines a confused inconsistent person.

In the first statement it signifies a person that is compassionate and doesn't understand why in The Old Testament homosexuality (as well as other sinful acts) were punishable by death and it was not okay and unjustified in your view.

Then in the second statement it signifies a person that just doesn't care about billions upon billions of people getting killed during an all out nuclear World War as long as people that is cared about didn't die.

There is no consistency here. If you cared about just a handful of homosexuals that you didn't know personally then clearly you would overwhelmingly care about billions upon billions of people dying in an unjustified crazy nuclear holocaust of a war.

You would be outraged that such a horrific act could have possibly occurred and done so much damage to humanity.

But I clearly understand why you couldn't say that it would terribly upset you, it would make you sound foolish and inconsistent as to why you would care because to you life is just meaningless.

But to you a homosexuals life isn't meaningless based on you first statement. Regardless though on how you answered the question you would still be looked upon as being a confused inconsistent person...lol

Do you clearly see your inconsistencies?...probably not cause you are blind and confused...lol

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If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit.  I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation.

QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikniks:
It says to kill people. How is that ok?

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On pg. 143 #3564 you made that statement above. Then now you make a statement, "If nobody I cared about died, then it wouldn't bother me one bit. I'd just be annoyed about all the radiation."

Let's analyze these two statements made by you. Because it clearly defines a confused inconsistent person.

In the first statement it signifies a person that is compassionate and doesn't understand why in The Old Testament homosexuality (as well as other sinful acts) were punishable by death and it was not okay and unjustified in your view.

Then in the second statement it signifies a person that just doesn't care about billions upon billions of people getting killed during an all out nuclear World War as long as people that is cared about didn't die.

There is no consistency here. If you cared about just a handful of homosexuals that you didn't know personally then clearly you would overwhelmingly care about billions upon billions of people dying in an unjustified crazy nuclear holocaust of a war.

You would be outraged that such a horrific act could have possibly occurred and done so much damage to humanity.

But I clearly understand why you couldn't say that it would terribly upset you, it would make you sound foolish and inconsistent as to why you would care because to you life is just meaningless.

But to you a homosexuals life isn't meaningless based on you first statement. Regardless though on how you answered the question you would still be looked upon as being a confused inconsistent person...lol

Do you clearly see your inconsistencies?...probably not cause you are blind and confused...lol

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