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Nothing like taking a bible quote out of its context hey? This was an alternative to the massacre of enemy populations in wartime and the starvation of the poor during famine

Well that makes it soooooooo much better  

And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him" - Ephesians 6:9.

Shocking, a contradiction in the bible...

So we see that they should be treated with respect. They don't encourage them to go around and beat them up.

The quote you give is "reactionary" or a consequence of an action the slave did.

Oh I get it, so if a "voluntary slave" "does something" you can kick the sh.. out of them as long as they don't die 

Are you reading what you write? 

I guess anyone can talk themselves into something if they want to bad enough... this is one of the problems with religious people...

These are only two of many verses in the bible condoning slavery, I'm sure you have apologetics for all of them...

 
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Hang on Hang on....

If morality is subjective....why is slavery wrong?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Hang on Hang on....

If morality is subjective....why is slavery wrong?


It's not according to your god...neither is murder, rape, genocide...
 
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It's not according to your god...neither is murder, rape, genocide...

Why is rape, murder and genocide wrong?

You see EVERYTIME you make a moral claim, you are affirming Gods existence....and you don't even know it...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Why is rape, murder and genocide wrong?

You see EVERYTIME you make a moral claim, you are affirming Gods existence....and you don't even know it...


This has been explained to you many times in the past, but like everything else, you want to deflect and side step....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


This has been explained to you many times in the past, but like everything else, you want to deflect and side step....


wat a fuk.en idiot!!...so "god" gave us morality now??we cant live by a moral code that we personally deem to be righteous and correct by our own choice??...good grief this guy is flat out retarded.

wat the hell is the point of him pointing out its subjective??no shiit sherlock!!!...and the poster is the subject so they are giving you their own take on wats right or wrong...notice how the petty,little weasel didnt actually disagree that slavery is wrong??...once again his only purpose is to start another irrelevant argument over pointless,obvious crap........."morality is subjective"...brilliant!!!!..thanks for that,wat a contribution!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


This has been explained to you many times in the past, but like everything else, you want to deflect and side step....

Every time you make a moral claim, you are affirming a moral objective standard.

Rights and wrongs ONLY exist when we have an objective standard to compare it against.

Therefore, every time you make a moral claim, slavery, rape and murder are wrong, you are affirming Gods existence.....

The hilarious thing is, you don't even realise it and still don't.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Every time you make a moral claim, you are affirming a moral objective standard.

Rights and wrongs ONLY exist when we have an objective standard to compare it against.

Therefore, every time you make a moral claim, slavery, rape and murder are wrong, you are affirming Gods existence.....

The hilarious thing is, you don't even realise it and still don't.


WAT THE FU.K HAS "GOD"(AN IMAGINARY CHARACTER NO LESS)GOT TO DO WITH SOMEONES OWN PERSONAL MORALITY OR SET OF STANDARDS THEY LIVE BY??????
 
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:


WAT THE FU.K HAS "GOD"(AN IMAGINARY CHARACTER NO LESS)GOT TO DO WITH SOMEONES OWN PERSONAL MORALITY OR SET OF STANDARDS THEY LIVE BY??????

Nothing...I'm more moral than his god...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


Nothing...I'm more moral than his god...


good grief,its like just cos rostos saw it written in his imaginary book of fairytales,that "god"/jesus solely came up with the concept of humans treating each other with kindness and respect,not stealing or lying etc......and the thousands of years prior to that it never occured to anyone,they were all just raping,stealing,beating on each other and treating each other like total shiit,thinking"yea,this is the rite way to live,we really got it figured out here..wat a peaceful,harmonious way to be...no-one cud come up with a better way than this!!!"
 
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:



good grief,its like just cos rostos saw it written in his imaginary book of fairytales,that "god"/jesus solely came up with the concept of humans treating each other with kindness and respect,not stealing or lying etc......and the thousands of years prior to that it never occured to anyone,they were all just raping,stealing,beating on each other and treating each other like total shiit,thinking"yea,this is the rite way to live,we really got it figured out here..wat a peaceful,harmonious way to be...no-one cud come up with a better way than this!!!"

 
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Why is rape, murder, slavery and racism wrong?

According to who?

 
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This is always interesting on a philosophical level.  Even elites struggle with this one. Including Russell with Copleston.  Even after Copleston was kind enough to not ask the obvious follow up question(s).  Most, if honest with themselves, will admit that this is one area where they have some issues because it is hard to consolidate. 

Not sure covers is the correct forum for this level of discussion on it.  We shall see.  I expect more ranting and raving and name calling.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Why is rape, murder, slavery and racism wrong?

According to who?



uuuuuuummmmmm.......anyone with a basic,common sense of human decency,empathy and respect.


so i guess that rules out canterbury bulldogs supporters unfortunately


honestly,this guy has to be respected as a master of his craft..he has conquered and taken trolling to a WHOOOLE nother level..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Why is rape, murder, slavery and racism wrong?

According to who?


because god said so in the bible   oh wait, it didn't 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


because god said so in the bible   oh wait, it didn't 

Where did God encourage rape?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Where did God encourage rape?


"god" never encouraged nor discouraged anything...no-ones ever actually heard from the dude funnily enuff....must have a full-on schedule.awfully tough to get a hold of
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Why is rape, murder, slavery and racism wrong?

According to who?

Always intriguing how various skeptics have handled this. Broocks take on it in part:
Knowing morality must be grounded in some authority, the skeptics' desperate struggle is to find any alternative other than God. The real issue becomes identifying the basis for morality. 
'So if God does not exist, why think that we have any moral obligations to do anything? Who or what imposes these obligations upon us?  Where do they come from?  It's very hard to see why they would be anything more than a subjective impression ingrained into us by societal and parental conditioning' DL Craig
While the New Age movement, characterized by a belief in the spiritual world where all beliefs are equal, offers 'God without morals', the new atheists attempt to offer a world with no spiritual dimension and give us 'morals without God'. This creates an extreme dilemma. If you try to build a world without God, something else will take His place. 
When humans play God they usually act in their own self-interests, not the interests of others. Harris (the atheist writer Sam) proposes that science be the source and arbiter of ethics. Others in the atheist camp think that science can tell us what is good and evil. Most academics would admit that ethics is in the arena of philosophy, not science. However, when you hold to a worldview that only science can give you truth, you're forced to look to it for all your answers. This again is the philosophy of scientism. As Melanie Phillips said, 'Take those scientists who promote not science but scientism--the belief that science can deal with every aspect of existence. The scorn and vituperation they heap upon religious believers is fathomless. And yet their materialism leads them to say things which are just...well, nutty.'
 
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For example, even Hume has admitted that no description of the way of the world is scientifically can tell us how we ought to live morally. But Harris attempts the impossible in trying to do this.  He states his own version of a universal moral truth very succinctly: 'I am arguing that in the moral sphere, it is safe to begin with the premise that it is good to avoid behaving in such a way as to produce the worst possible misery for everyone.'
So according to Harris, morality comes down to this: judge your actions by whether they hurt everyone. Does this mean that if my actions hurt only a few, I'm okay?  That's like someone who committed a murder standing before a judge and saying, 'I know I killed that man, but think of all the people in this town that I didn't kill.'


 
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This discussion is getting away from the subject,

Ephesians 5.4 ...  Let there be no filthiness ,nor foolish talk, nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

Let's get back on track.

How does God keep track of 7.3 billion people ?

If a government can keep track of 350 million people I'm sure the Great One who designed you, can follow a little 7.3 billion. There are probably that many stars in the universe !

 

 
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Yes Don, it has.  I just wanted to comment on what Rostos said. Because it is a key no matter which side you are on. 
 
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Raider,  in the final analysis it all comes down to morality. How you treat others...your neighbor and yourself. Love is the answer.

In my lifetime I have seen the spiraling down of decency ever since they took out prayer in schools, especially teaching the Ten Commandments. Every commandment is about love. 

Think about it, if everyone loved everyone as they love themselves, there would be not wars, no murder, no stealing, no hatred.

This is why God handed them over to their own lusts. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie. They served the creature, rather than the Creator.

They are blinded by hatred of anything spiritual. In the bible it's says.. I TELL YOU THE TRUTH , or  THIS IS THE TRUTH...over 76 times. Yet the cannot see because their hearts are hardened.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

Always intriguing how various skeptics have handled this. Broocks take on it in part:
Knowing morality must be grounded in some authority, the skeptics' desperate struggle is to find any alternative other than God. The real issue becomes identifying the basis for morality. 
'So if God does not exist, why think that we have any moral obligations to do anything? Who or what imposes these obligations upon us?  Where do they come from?  It's very hard to see why they would be anything more than a subjective impression ingrained into us by societal and parental conditioning' DL Craig
While the New Age movement, characterized by a belief in the spiritual world where all beliefs are equal, offers 'God without morals', the new atheists attempt to offer a world with no spiritual dimension and give us 'morals without God'. This creates an extreme dilemma. If you try to build a world without God, something else will take His place. 
When humans play God they usually act in their own self-interests, not the interests of others. Harris (the atheist writer Sam) proposes that science be the source and arbiter of ethics. Others in the atheist camp think that science can tell us what is good and evil. Most academics would admit that ethics is in the arena of philosophy, not science. However, when you hold to a worldview that only science can give you truth, you're forced to look to it for all your answers. This again is the philosophy of scientism. As Melanie Phillips said, 'Take those scientists who promote not science but scientism--the belief that science can deal with every aspect of existence. The scorn and vituperation they heap upon religious believers is fathomless. And yet their materialism leads them to say things which are just...well, nutty.'

come on now..do you seriously not believe that evolved,intelligent human beings have a natural inclination or disposition to know right from wrong and how to live in the correct manner so as in order to benefit the greater good??....that seems impossible to consider for me....now of course there is and always has been a certain small % of the population that is defective and degenerate and sociopathic but on the whole its either naturally ingrained and/or passed down thru conditioning from generation to generation to act "right"....at a certain age a light bulb just goes off and its kind of natural if you are around like-minded people.....or at least that was the case for me anyhow.
wud you argue that there is no such thing as empathy??
at the very least its highly counter-productive and unintelligent from a self-interest point of view to act unethically anyhow...because you will soon come to realise that all the stealing,lying,abuse or watever it is will come back to you cos humans tend to have an eye-for an eye approach wen being mis-treated..or will at least have nothing to do with the offender in future
 
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Melo.  I hear you.  But I think their point is that it defies the logic test.  That is why even Dawkins and these guys have admitted they have issues with it.  If you read some of Hume's works even he will say that they don't have an answer for this part of the question. There are many, many scholars that have tried to address this and it always returns to the same issue.  
Sort of like the deal Rostos brought up with the start of universe etc. Even Einstein said this had to be admitted as a creation point. It seems he said something along the lines of the problem for the atheist is that more comprehensible the universe becomes the more incomprehensiblle it becomes that there couldn't have been a creator. 
But you are correct---this is an issue that has been a dividing issue for ages. 
 
 
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Posted: #225
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:



Where did God encourage rape?
"god" never encouraged nor discouraged anything...no-ones ever actually heard from the dude funnily enuff....must have a full-on schedule.awfully tough to get a hold of



haaaaa. and when someone says they "saw him" or god "talked to them"...people say "oh hes crazy"... but isnt he suppose to come again??
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