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Yes. Some of mine may have autocorrected wrong. And on phone and not taking time to proofread. But good grief.  Yours is not to save time. It is almost too hard to do it the way you do it.  I mean is misspelling something like that really saving time?   Unless....
I'm not sure that it works the way you want it to on a few levels. But if you are sincere you can do plenty of good research with it.  And if you are honest, will admit there are some good points.  The fellow has touched on some of them. With exactness and so forth of universe. As Paulkinghorn (I promise you that spelling is incorrect) (But the guy at Oxford) has said. The preciseness is so exact. That it would be like aiming at the far end of the universe and hitting a target bullseye. It is just amazing.  That is what had changed a lot of the scientists views on this. Others will point out the earth and life itself.  Many points are made with other scientific things as well. But the guy's point is surely you cannot use this as proof of nonexistence. Sure it is your choice. But as Russell (maybe) and others have said: there wasn't enough evidence.  Always this is countered with Paul and the example of the earth and creatures itself as being self-evident.  This is the point people make when they use the people that have never even heard of the bible, in the middle of the rain forest, that reach the same conclusion.  It is for sure a faith thing more than an evidence thing. You are correct about that. And you are correct that it is not for everyone. But if you seriously study up on it and read some of the intellectuals it will at least give you some things to think about.  Not having proof is not the key.  Always to be completely dismissive of either side is fine if you just want to say nah nah nah nah.  But if you are sincere in studying both sides it is explained in depth from a lot of angles.  Philosophically, scientifically, existentially, and so on and so forth.  A solid reason for one person may not even be enough for another because they will never concede any points along the way, no matter what. Several have addressed this as well. Just as scientists will strive for empiricalness. Then when they cannot achieve it they will use presuppositions. Then when those are knocked out from the foundation.  Where do you go from there. 
There are many, many places to really ask the questions you are asking online that will give you a starting point to this.  Because you are not going to get a guy to say he knows because of this particular fact.  You have to use univocal, equivocal, and analogical ways of speaking in the discussion.  Or else you flounder around. 

okay then,thats all i need to know...as much as i thought.all he,or anyone,needs to say is "i have no sound factual reasoning or evidence to believe in a god watsoever"...thats the only question that was posed here...so if thats the answer then end of discussion.

as i said,philosophies,perspectives and wonderments at the majestic brilliance and awesomeness of the universe and the lifeforms it contains are all other topics for another place.....i know that stuff becomes intertwined in the discussion for people that have no "actual" reason for their crazy adherence to insane beliefs.but im just breaking it down to that one simple query in here...and the answer,if rostos was man enuff to give it,is always the same,entirely predictable...."no,i have neither seen nor heard anything real to suggest the existence of a god or ultimate creator"
 
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Yes. Some of mine may have autocorrected wrong. And on phone and not taking time to proofread. But good grief.  Yours is not to save time. It is almost too hard to do it the way you do it.  I mean is misspelling something like that really saving time?   Unless....
I'm not sure that it works the way you want it to on a few levels. But if you are sincere you can do plenty of good research with it.  And if you are honest, will admit there are some good points.  The fellow has touched on some of them. With exactness and so forth of universe. As Paulkinghorn (I promise you that spelling is incorrect) (But the guy at Oxford) has said. The preciseness is so exact. That it would be like aiming at the far end of the universe and hitting a target bullseye. It is just amazing.  That is what had changed a lot of the scientists views on this. Others will point out the earth and life itself.  Many points are made with other scientific things as well. But the guy's point is surely you cannot use this as proof of nonexistence. Sure it is your choice. But as Russell (maybe) and others have said: there wasn't enough evidence.  Always this is countered with Paul and the example of the earth and creatures itself as being self-evident.  This is the point people make when they use the people that have never even heard of the bible, in the middle of the rain forest, that reach the same conclusion.  It is for sure a faith thing more than an evidence thing. You are correct about that. And you are correct that it is not for everyone. But if you seriously study up on it and read some of the intellectuals it will at least give you some things to think about.  Not having proof is not the key.  Always to be completely dismissive of either side is fine if you just want to say nah nah nah nah.  But if you are sincere in studying both sides it is explained in depth from a lot of angles.  Philosophically, scientifically, existentially, and so on and so forth.  A solid reason for one person may not even be enough for another because they will never concede any points along the way, no matter what. Several have addressed this as well. Just as scientists will strive for empiricalness. Then when they cannot achieve it they will use presuppositions. Then when those are knocked out from the foundation.  Where do you go from there. 
There are many, many places to really ask the questions you are asking online that will give you a starting point to this.  Because you are not going to get a guy to say he knows because of this particular fact.  You have to use univocal, equivocal, and analogical ways of speaking in the discussion.  Or else you flounder around. 

you'll probably find that every single mis-spelling i make is leaving out a letter/s,which i hav become accustomed to doing for a long while now...so yes it certainly saves me a boat-load of time wen writing long diatribes in response to people incapable of answering a simple question.....i am a retarded one finger typer so it takes long enuff as it is...and if you can understand it then really wats da problem??...you do realise that things can be spelt phonetically and without gaps between everything and still be understood,rite??

your point about the exact precision of events to create the universe and life are understood...its fu.king amazing and inexplicable and blows my mind just as it shud everyone elses....and you are misunderstanding me wen suggesting i am using anything as evidence of non-existence.i am not trying to prove ANYTHING...the whole point rite from the very beginning of this debate was that the burden of proof is on the guy thats inexplicably believing in the most insane notion that cud ever be put forth.im not trying to prove anything,i CANT..i just accept that shiit is mind-blowing and awesome and timeless and too big for me to understand currently(who knows,sumthing may happen to change that but i doubt it)....but wat i dont do is go off and make up a wild and fancy fairy-tale about an invisible friend in the sky to justify things in my own head and make sense of them.and if i did i wud sure as hell understand that my "theory" wud juice under a little intense scrutiny from others.

ive never heard of people away from all technology and past teachings coming to the conclusion that there is an ultimate creator...without being taught or influenced in any way at all??thats a new one on me cos as we know the over-whelming majority of religious folk are well and truly brain-washed and conditioned into it from an early age...they must be,theres no other way to convince a human brain of such absurdity unless it is at that impressionable,sponge-like stage that accepts everything given to it by elders/protectors...it surprises me to hear that.can you show me this article/book??

see,a big problem here is im quite sure i know exactly why religions exist,how they came about and wat type of people are responsible.....and whilst i dont have full,unequivocal evidence of it either,wen i look at wat has been done and achieved in the name of religions in all their many various forms and guises it makes the picture pretty crystal clear,at least to me anyway.......i mean,just check how much wealth,power,influence has shifted hands and lives been lost in the name of this hoax/con-job.still going on to this very day,all "in the name of the lord".. ...shud tell you all ya need to know.....but anyhow that is also a topic for another day or thread.



 
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Posted: #153
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:


okay then,thats all i need to know...as much as i thought.all he,or anyone,needs to say is "i have no sound factual reasoning or evidence to believe in a god watsoever"...thats the only question that was posed here...so if thats the answer then end of discussion.

as i said,philosophies,perspectives and wonderments at the majestic brilliance and awesomeness of the universe and the lifeforms it contains are all other topics for another place.....i know that stuff becomes intertwined in the discussion for people that have no "actual" reason for their crazy adherence to insane beliefs.but im just breaking it down to that one simple query in here...and the answer,if rostos was man enuff to give it,is always the same,entirely predictable...."no,i have neither seen nor heard anything real to suggest the existence of a god or ultimate creator"
Exactly.  And the counter side says how in the world can you believe this just happened?  Where is your evidence?  Why did you decide on this choice?  Where else is this just happening?
And you are see-sawing again is all. 
 
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S   h  ough     Da instead of the.  Sure I can make it out.  It just seems juvenile is all. And kind of hard to take seriously is all.  But to each his own I guess.  Haha!

Sure I get what you are trying to say. And it is an age-old classic sidestep.  The counter is the burden of proff is on someone that could believe something as hard to believe as poof and eons and eons later some ooze.  You do get their point as week, right?  So it doesn't work either way.  It is not about the burden of proof.  That is a misnomer. 

You can certainly argue bad had been done with religions.  But take hitler Stalin and Mao.  They killed more people than all the history of violence done in the name of religion.  My point is you have to see both sides to argue it effectively.  I am not sure you can judge a world view by just the bad that had been done without looking at the good as well.  

If yo don't know scientists that have changed their viewpoint without external influence---then you simply have not read or studied them.  There are heaps of them---current and past. I encourage you to look them up. 



 
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A lot of people would argue it is absurdity that from ooze became a sophisticated human.  You or sure have to cede that this sounds insane to a rational person and you have to accept all sorts of gaps and presuppositions.  So it makes more sense, if that is all you are looking for, to believe that it was all created and not just time plus matter plus chance.  So just because you don't believe something and can point out absurdities doesn't automatically absolve you from having to explain your world view absurdities when asked. Etc and etc. 
 
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A lot of people would argue it is absurdity that from ooze became a sophisticated human.  You or sure have to cede that this sounds insane to a rational person and you have to accept all sorts of gaps and presuppositions.  So it makes more sense, if that is all you are looking for, to believe that it was all created and not just time plus matter plus chance.  So just because you don't believe something and can point out absurdities doesn't automatically absolve you from having to explain your world view absurdities when asked. Etc and etc. 


dude,as i keep saying,I CANT EXPLAIN IT...i dont know,wasnt there,cant go back in time...but science is slowly doing its best to give its own thesis on how things came about..its an enormous,complex subject that its difficult to go back thru billions of years and explain so just bear with them for a minute aye??.....all i can say is that were here now and theres pretty solid,VERY solid,evidence of evolution so we just work our way back from that....yea,you damn rite its a fu.ken mind-trip to imagine wat took place but youre just looking at it from the perspective that we are here now,these amazing,intelligent(well,except for rostos),sentient beings in this astonishing,life-supporting place,without considering that it all took place over BILLIONS of years....billions of years dude,think about it!!!...you do believe in sum form of environmental/natural evolution,rite??..i mean we can see it taking place in recent centuries just in the average physical frame of a human body........point being,its far from being completely implausible by any stretch..the magnitude of the change is hard to grasp but then the magnitude of a billion year timeframe is equally unacceptable to a mind that deals in decades and centuries.

so,anyhow,no i cannot explain it totally and wud never attempt to....but,as mentioned previously,i wont cop out and make up a fairy-tale either just cos its easier for me to digest or comprehend......but give science time and who knows?it mite come up with sumthing to fill in more blanks...look how much its done and shown and proven thus far.

in summary my answer is definitely NO it does not make more sense to think a boogey-man in the sky (that lives forever and knows wat we are thinking),created all this than to believe that we were once single cell organisms sitting in sludge.....both are highly fanciful and boggle the mind but one is preposterous beyond belief to my mind.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

S   h  ough     Da instead of the.  Sure I can make it out.  It just seems juvenile is all. And kind of hard to take seriously is all.  But to each his own I guess.  Haha!

Sure I get what you are trying to say. And it is an age-old classic sidestep.  The counter is the burden of proff is on someone that could believe something as hard to believe as poof and eons and eons later some ooze.  You do get their point as week, right?  So it doesn't work either way.  It is not about the burden of proof.  That is a misnomer. 

You can certainly argue bad had been done with religions.  But take hitler Stalin and Mao.  They killed more people than all the history of violence done in the name of religion.  My point is you have to see both sides to argue it effectively.  I am not sure you can judge a world view by just the bad that had been done without looking at the good as well.  

If yo don't know scientists that have changed their viewpoint without external influence---then you simply have not read or studied them.  There are heaps of them---current and past. I encourage you to look them up. 




im pretty sure this is completely factually inaccurate...altho it is pretty hard to get a guage on just how many have been slaughtered in the name of religion down thru the years.
and i never said for one second that only bad has been done by religious folk...quite the contrary.they are kept in line and docile/ignorant for the most part..but of course wen it is time to wage war or do the bidding for the "masters" or true creators of their religion the brain-washed minions are always ready to chuck the morals out the window in a heartbeat.....but i digress,of course there are good and bad people of faith and atheists as well..that goes without saying.


come on man,its not juvenile at all....how is saving me sum time juvenile???
 
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Exactly.  And the counter side says how in the world can you believe this just happened?.... cos we're rite here looking at it and experiencing it as we speak,we got no choice but to believe it   Where is your evidence?.... i dont have evidence for the creation of the universe,how cud i??..but evolution is easy for me to accept with wats been discovered  Why did you decide on this choice?.... i didnt "decide" on anything,im just accepting the circumstances and surroundings that im presented with and feel no need to make shiit up like a deluded mad-man  Where else is this just happening?....who knows,cud be many places.we barely even know wats going on in our own galaxy,let alone the universe.and if we are the only lifeforms in the universe,well we're bloody lucky then aint we??
And you are see-sawing again is all. 
 
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This is hilarious. All you Atheists are making truth claims about the world.

If the brain/mind is the result of an UNGUIDED, blind process that evolved for survival and NOT TRUTHS, then how can you use it to make truth claims?

Natural selection selects for survival traits, NOT truths. Therefore the Atheist is using the tool (brain) to make truth claims (God and the universe) but the very tool they are using (brain) didn't evolve to make truth claims.

In essence, it is like using a speedometer to measure water pressure.

 
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dude,this didnt even start out as a debate over philosophy or perceptions so stop trying to sound superior,like youre the smartest guy in the room or longing to live out your "good will hunting" fantasy...save all that bullshiit for another day and another thread.
cos all youre doing is trying to turn it into sumthing that has parameters whereby you can argue round and round in circles and make it into sum "chicken or egg" debate....so,youre the same as rostos cos clearly thats his favourite thing to do in the whole,wide world.
all we were asking of the guy,and any person of faith for that matter(and thats the key really cos in the end all they have is faith,not one iota of tangible evidence watsoever),is wat brought him to believe in the existence of a creator in terms of sum sort of verifiable,hard evidence..even if it is sumwat subjective....and so far surprise surprise surprise!!! hes offered absolutely nothing nada zero zip.(oh except for a whole bunch of sidetracking,deflecting and classical circular arguments of course)...just like every other damn religious person ive ever come across in my lifetime.

for sumthing as totally and utterly absurd and ridiculous as the existence of an all-knowing,all seeing,omni-present,eternal creator all the likes of myself,system and others are asking is just a skerrick of sumthing to support such lunacy.....like seriously,how the fu.kkkk can there be NOTHING over a period of thousands of years??...this god character never shows his face,says a thing,leaves a trail of bread-crumbs??....nothing???

and please dont feed me no horse-shiit about speaking to people in dreams or wat-not..theres all kinds of crazy folk that have all kinds of dreams about all kinds of stuff...catch sumthing on film at least,shiit theres more evidence of frickin big-foot than there is of a god.

as for the ridiculous line of questioning about the origins of time,the universe and everything in it....well WE DONT KNOW.thats why we cant answer,but we dont just go and make a whole pile of fairytales and shiit up to try and explain it away to make ourselves feel better and more secure about our place on the earth.

and on the balance of probability and beyond all reasonable doubt we accept that other minds exist,anyone who suggests otherwise is being a semantic,petty,argumentative p.rick....as system clearly explained there is ample evidence all around every day that wat we classify as a thinking,feeling mind exists inside the skull of most...(i said most,rostos,most!!..not ALL)

so anyhow if you are a religious person,raiders 22,which is highly likely judging by the circuitous way you have gone about opposing the viewpoint offered here and the fact that you mite be the only person on the planet to identify with rostos in any way,shape or form........then wat leads you to believe in the existence of a god???

i dont wanna hear about how you look at the world,your perceptions or philosophies or any other garbage.....just wat convinces you one way or another


Rostos is the one who made the claims, he is the one that needs to back it up...instead he wants to side step and deflect 

His quote "God is timeless, if he is timeless, he is eternal in the past, if he is eternal in the past, then he has no cause, if he has no cause the he has no beginning therefore and therefore he exists necessarily"

this is "true" because it is an attribute of classical theism 

The problem with rostos is that he claims to know, where I can say I don't know and am ok with that. 
 
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Rostos is the one who made the claims, he is the one that needs to back it up...instead he wants to side step and deflect 

His quote "God is timeless, if he is timeless, he is eternal in the past, if he is eternal in the past, then he has no cause, if he has no cause the he has no beginning therefore and therefore he exists necessarily"

this is "true" because it is an attribute of classical theism 

The problem with rostos is that he claims to know, where I can say I don't know and am ok with that. 


good grief,did you see the latest pile of steaming turd he just contributed??...just more ridiculous,circular gobbledy-person meant to distract,deflect and shift the goal posts...just like every other religious person thats ever lived this guy cant simply say "no,there is not a single logical reason on this earth that ive seen that supports the existence of a god"
instead they have to waste their time(and ours unfortunately)whining over fu.ken semantics and definitions of fu.ken words and phrases.......so comical and childish that they cant just carry on a normal,adult conversation using the commonly accepted definitions of words as we understand them to be...i mean look at this tools every single post,EVERY single one of them just self-important,irrelevant tripe meant to turn a perfectly reasonable question into a fu.ken philosophy debate or a study of the origins of words or how we understand wat their meaning is.....world class idiot and troll of the worst kind.

this statement you make above is the point that folk like him may not realise...I,and yourself probably,wud be entirely open to believing if only i was shown sumthing...i actually think the god concept/idea is beautiful,magnificent,brilliant and comforting(tho the way he sits on his ars.e and lets atrocities happen for centuries on end is a little disconcerting) and am far from close minded on the topic..i am completely open-minded but need sumthing to sway me,even sumthing miniscule that mite spark sum sort of element of credence.....but no,we cant even get a feckin answer out of blowhards like him....instead the douche wants to turn everything into an analysis of the feckin dictionary or a study of consciousness
 
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Greetings,

 The Son/sun rises in the east everyday, not only as a reminder of the Son of God.  Our Father, our Son/sun, with the Holy Spirit, brings the warmth, the water from the oceans, to bless you with all the ingredients you'll need to exist. We can plainly see all the beauty of creation.

And, the Son/sun sets in the west to remind you of his burial, and will rise again. 

We will have no excuse in the last days, because we can see his creation, and we have heard his word. Yet we still mocked him.

This was all I needed to hear, I am forever grateful.

I hope the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and your hearts too.

Godspeed

Don J

 
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good grief,did you see the latest pile of steaming turd he just contributed??...just more ridiculous,circular gobbledy-person meant to distract,deflect and shift the goal posts...just like every other religious person thats ever lived this guy cant simply say "no,there is not a single logical reason on this earth that ive seen that supports the existence of a god"
instead they have to waste their time(and ours unfortunately)whining over fu.ken semantics and definitions of fu.ken words and phrases.......so comical and childish that they cant just carry on a normal,adult conversation using the commonly accepted definitions of words as we understand them to be...i mean look at this tools every single post,EVERY single one of them just self-important,irrelevant tripe meant to turn a perfectly reasonable question into a fu.ken philosophy debate or a study of the origins of words or how we understand wat their meaning is.....world class idiot and troll of the worst kind.

this statement you make above is the point that folk like him may not realise...I,and yourself probably,wud be entirely open to believing if only i was shown sumthing...i actually think the god concept/idea is beautiful,magnificent,brilliant and comforting(tho the way he sits on his ars.e and lets atrocities happen for centuries on end is a little disconcerting) and am far from close minded on the topic..i am completely open-minded but need sumthing to sway me,even sumthing miniscule that mite spark sum sort of element of credence.....but no,we cant even get a feckin answer out of blowhards like him....instead the douche wants to turn everything into an analysis of the feckin dictionary or a study of consciousness

he's been doing it for years, like I said, same tape played over and over... 


 
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Greetings,

 The Son/sun rises in the east everyday, not only as a reminder of the Son of God.  Our Father, our Son/sun, with the Holy Spirit, brings the warmth, the water from the oceans, to bless you with all the ingredients you'll need to exist. We can plainly see all the beauty of creation.

And, the Son/sun sets in the west to remind you of his burial, and will rise again. 

We will have no excuse in the last days, because we can see his creation, and we have heard his word. Yet we still mocked him.

This was all I needed to hear, I am forever grateful.

I hope the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and your hearts too.

Godspeed

Don J


save the drama...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Greetings,

 The Son/sun rises in the east everyday, not only as a reminder of the Son of God.  Our Father, our Son/sun, with the Holy Spirit, brings the warmth, the water from the oceans, to bless you with all the ingredients you'll need to exist. We can plainly see all the beauty of creation.

And, the Son/sun sets in the west to remind you of his burial, and will rise again. 

We will have no excuse in the last days, because we can see his creation, and we have heard his word. Yet we still mocked him.

This was all I needed to hear, I am forever grateful.

I hope the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and your hearts too.

Godspeed

Don J




if only you knew the irony that your post possesses..the symbology of the son representing the sun..my word,wat a conincidence how it is featured in almost every different religion across the planet...you almost start to wonder,hmmmm i wonder if the same group of people/sun-worshippers gave us all the religions??and for wat purpose??...its comical that its sitting rite there in front of your eyes and yet you use it to try and strengthen your argument/case
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

This is hilarious. All you Atheists are making truth claims about the world.

If the brain/mind is the result of an UNGUIDED, blind process that evolved for survival and NOT TRUTHS, then how can you use it to make truth claims?

Natural selection selects for survival traits, NOT truths. Therefore the Atheist is using the tool (brain) to make truth claims (God and the universe) but the very tool they are using (brain) didn't evolve to make truth claims.

In essence, it is like using a speedometer to measure water pressure.

This keeps on getting avoided

 
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the following was sent to me by a "catholic" friend of mine.

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.
 
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the following was sent to me by a "catholic" friend of mine.

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

..an oldie but a goodie
 
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Quote Originally Posted by carebud:

the following was sent to me by a "catholic" friend of mine.

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

And this makes perfect sense doesn't it?

The universe (space, time and energy) all created itself from nothing? By nothing, I mean, the absence of anything, no properties, no potentiality, and this nothing created space, time and energy.

Then, from the big bang, the rate of expansion was so precise, that if it was fractionally faster or slower, the universe would have collapsed. But no, it just happened to the perfect rate so the universe could expand?

Then, from this expansion, all stars, planets, galaxies etc etc formed, then cosmological constants and quantities were so precise in there RANGES, that if they were slightly out, it would allow for biological life on earth. They just happened to be perfect?

Then some lightning hit a pond somewhere and life started? Then life evolved to ape like ancestors, who decided to branch away from the pack and go for a walk and one day became human beings?

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by carebud:

the following was sent to me by a "catholic" friend of mine.

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

it could happen 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by carebud:

the following was sent to me by a "catholic" friend of mine.

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

 

It will never make perfect sense to you because you are blinded by you're own pride, believing that you just popped up on this earth and that no power had anything to do with it.

It is this same attitude that is the great cause of greed and selfishness, which is the source of all wars.

God is Love, without love there is no life, because people will kill each other. As much of the world is doing as we speak. They have no love, They are without God.

It is a struggle between good and evil, Love and Hatred.

 
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Posted: #172
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

 

It will never make perfect sense to you because you are blinded by you're own pride, believing that you just popped up on this earth and that no power had anything to do with it.

It is this same attitude that is the great cause of greed and selfishness, which is the source of all wars.

God is Love, without love there is no life, because people will kill each other. As much of the world is doing as we speak. They have no love, They are without God.

It is a struggle between good and evil, Love and Hatred.


dude,youre flat out kidding yourself arent ya??...how many feckin people have been slaughtered in the name of your precious religion down thru hundreds and hundreds of years???...even to this day??...its damn hard to take you seriously now......oh,but then i guess its not YOUR specific religion or god responsible for all the conflict going on nowadays,it must be sumone elses "wrong" god

talk about greed and selfishness,thats EXACTLY wat drove the people who invented your religion out of thin air in the first place..its the greatest hoax/con-job of all time and its absolutely insane that it gets perpetuated to this day..its only there to control you,keep you in line,generate profit from you wen necessary,and use you when its time to go to war as well.

and as for being blinded by pride..shiit,rostos cant even answer a simple fu.king question..how ignorant is that??..too proud to concede one basic point so hes constantly trying to spin every feckin thing off into la-la land
 
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Posted: #173
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

And this makes perfect sense doesn't it?

The universe (space, time and energy) all created itself from nothing? By nothing, I mean, the absence of anything, no properties, no potentiality, and this nothing created space, time and energy.

Then, from the big bang, the rate of expansion was so precise, that if it was fractionally faster or slower, the universe would have collapsed. But no, it just happened to the perfect rate so the universe could expand?

Then, from this expansion, all stars, planets, galaxies etc etc formed, then cosmological constants and quantities were so precise in there RANGES, that if they were slightly out, it would allow for biological life on earth. They just happened to be perfect?

Then some lightning hit a pond somewhere and life started? Then life evolved to ape like ancestors, who decided to branch away from the pack and go for a walk and one day became human beings?

 


who the fu.k even told this guy that that is the way everything unfolded anyway??certainly not me,havent heard system or anyone else say it.....whilst its been put forward as strong theory by science nothing is known for sure...see,wen we dont know sumthing we just say we dont know for sure....we dont go and make up fantasy stories for absolutely no reason to fill in the blanks in our minds and then stand behind that 100% with absolutely zero evidence or proof.

this guy is a total fu.ken joke,asking us to prove there isnt a god is akin to asking us to prove there arent unicorns or fairies....its not sumthing that needs proving.YA JUST DONT BELIEVE RIDICULOUS,DUMB garbage BY DEFAULT!!
 
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Posted: #174
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

 

It will never make perfect sense to you because you are blinded by you're own pride, believing that you just popped up on this earth and that no power had anything to do with it.

It is this same attitude that is the great cause of greed and selfishness, which is the source of all wars.

God is Love, without love there is no life, because people will kill each other. As much of the world is doing as we speak. They have no love, They are without God.

It is a struggle between good and evil, Love and Hatred.

 
 
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Posted: #175
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:


who the fu.k even told this guy that that is the way everything unfolded anyway??certainly not me,havent heard system or anyone else say it.....whilst its been put forward as strong theory by science nothing is known for sure...see,wen we dont know sumthing we just say we dont know for sure....we dont go and make up fantasy stories for absolutely no reason to fill in the blanks in our minds and then stand behind that 100% with absolutely zero evidence or proof.

this guy is a total fu.ken joke,asking us to prove there isnt a god is akin to asking us to prove there arent unicorns or fairies....its not sumthing that needs proving.YA JUST DONT BELIEVE RIDICULOUS,DUMB garbage BY DEFAULT!!

We don't know, so a "god" did it...god of the gaps lol
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