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    Did Punishment Fit Crime?

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    Randisist
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2013 - 11:31 PM ET #1

    Teen Receives Probation in Deadly Drunk Driving Crash

    https://fox8.com/2013/12/11/teen-receives-probation-in-deadly-drunk-driving-crash/

    16 years old - 10 years probation...

    4 people dead

    The two that were injured were in the bed of the truck Ethan Couch was driving so I feel it was as much their fault as his they were injured.

    This is a tough one... The people who lost loved ones feel it was too light.

    Your thought... Appropriate punishment??? Or Too Light???
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    Teen Receives Probation in Deadly Drunk Driving Crash

    https://fox8.com/2013/12/11/teen-receives-probation-in-deadly-drunk-driving-crash/

    16 years old - 10 years probation...

    4 people dead

    The two that were injured were in the bed of the truck Ethan Couch was driving so I feel it was as much their fault as his they were injured.

    This is a tough one... The people who lost loved ones feel it was too light.

    Your thought... Appropriate punishment??? Or Too Light???
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 12:32 AM ET #2

    That is tough.........a stupid act by a stupid kid = 4 dead, 2 disabled. Yet we should be worried that throwing this kid in jail would wreck his life?
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    That is tough.........a stupid act by a stupid kid = 4 dead, 2 disabled. Yet we should be worried that throwing this kid in jail would wreck his life?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 1:44 AM ET #3


    Rich white boy buys himself out of trouble in Texas.

    Happens every day inside the Texas law system.

    What is your point?


    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Rich white boy buys himself out of trouble in Texas.

    Happens every day inside the Texas law system.

    What is your point?


     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 6:00 AM ET #4

    Racist just can't help but prove who they are... And if anybody is offended... It is not my fault you are what you are...
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    Racist just can't help but prove who they are... And if anybody is offended... It is not my fault you are what you are...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 6:10 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    That is tough.........a stupid act by a stupid kid = 4 dead, 2 disabled. Yet we should be worried that throwing this kid in jail would wreck his life?




    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    That is tough.........a stupid act by a stupid kid = 4 dead, 2 disabled. Yet we should be worried that throwing this kid in jail would wreck his life?




    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 10:38 AM ET #6

    this crime is the hardest one to come up with a fair sentence.  they range from probation in some, although few, places to many years in prison in others.  i've had a few of these cases over the years (actually have a very similar one now) and i can tell you that if he did that where i am now, he would be getting closer to 10 years in prison rather than 10 years on probation. 
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    this crime is the hardest one to come up with a fair sentence.  they range from probation in some, although few, places to many years in prison in others.  i've had a few of these cases over the years (actually have a very similar one now) and i can tell you that if he did that where i am now, he would be getting closer to 10 years in prison rather than 10 years on probation. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 10:47 AM ET #7

    It's a hard one If I was to judge it was definitely the negligence of the defendant I hope his high price lawyer wasn't a major factor seems like it sometimes though.
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    It's a hard one If I was to judge it was definitely the negligence of the defendant I hope his high price lawyer wasn't a major factor seems like it sometimes though.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 11:34 AM ET #8

    joke of a sentence  
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    joke of a sentence  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 1:53 PM ET #9

    I think since he was intoxicated, jail time should of been given.  If he were sober and this occured, maybe 10 years probation but I'd still stick some jail time if i were the judge in that scenario also.
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    I think since he was intoxicated, jail time should of been given.  If he were sober and this occured, maybe 10 years probation but I'd still stick some jail time if i were the judge in that scenario also.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 1:58 PM ET #10

    Forget justice.Civil suits will bring families money.Those who want justice are just naive tax payers thinking the law is there to protect them. 
    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    Forget justice.Civil suits will bring families money.Those who want justice are just naive tax payers thinking the law is there to protect them. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 2:50 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by cave0707:

    I think since he was intoxicated, jail time should of been given.  If he were sober and this occured, maybe 10 years probation but I'd still stick some jail time if i were the judge in that scenario also.



    if he was sober, it's probably just a traffic ticket with a fine and driver improvement school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cave0707:

    I think since he was intoxicated, jail time should of been given.  If he were sober and this occured, maybe 10 years probation but I'd still stick some jail time if i were the judge in that scenario also.



    if he was sober, it's probably just a traffic ticket with a fine and driver improvement school.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 3:35 PM ET #12

    i think that defense should only be allowed if it was like hunger games style. The rich parents offer themselves as tributes to serve the jail time for letting their kid be such an as.s hat his whole life
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    i think that defense should only be allowed if it was like hunger games style. The rich parents offer themselves as tributes to serve the jail time for letting their kid be such an as.s hat his whole life
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 5:24 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:





    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...



    wonder if you shared the same thoughts with us if he killed your children
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:





    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...



    wonder if you shared the same thoughts with us if he killed your children
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 5:32 PM ET #14

    The punishment surely doesn't set a good precedent for others that might want to think twice about driving intoxicated especially being underage and having no business even drinking much less driving while he was drinking.  

    Probation might have been possible if it was a one vehicle accident and the occupants died but when he killed others that are not even involved then he deserves to get time for it.


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    The punishment surely doesn't set a good precedent for others that might want to think twice about driving intoxicated especially being underage and having no business even drinking much less driving while he was drinking.  

    Probation might have been possible if it was a one vehicle accident and the occupants died but when he killed others that are not even involved then he deserves to get time for it.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 5:33 PM ET #15

    Not even sure if this kid will even have any remorse considering he killed strangers.  

    Obviously the punishment isn't gonna give him remorse.  
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    Not even sure if this kid will even have any remorse considering he killed strangers.  

    Obviously the punishment isn't gonna give him remorse.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 6:16 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:



    wonder if you shared the same thoughts with us if he killed your children


    fair enough...

    Now that I have heard more of the particulars of the case I do see jail as the most appropriate punishments...

    And if he does not go to jail because of the Affluenza BS defense then mommy and daddy should do 10 years each as accessories to the fact. (or whatever legal phraseology is appropriate)

    Bottom line is someone should go to prison...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:



    wonder if you shared the same thoughts with us if he killed your children


    fair enough...

    Now that I have heard more of the particulars of the case I do see jail as the most appropriate punishments...

    And if he does not go to jail because of the Affluenza BS defense then mommy and daddy should do 10 years each as accessories to the fact. (or whatever legal phraseology is appropriate)

    Bottom line is someone should go to prison...


     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2013 - 6:17 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    fair enough...

    Now that I have heard more of the particulars of the case I do see jail as the most appropriate punishments...

    And if he does not go to jail because of the Affluenza BS defense then mommy and daddy should do 10 years each as accessories to the fact. (or whatever legal phraseology is appropriate)

    Bottom line is someone should go to prison...



    How did you not know the particulars of the case?

    You posted the link without reading it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    fair enough...

    Now that I have heard more of the particulars of the case I do see jail as the most appropriate punishments...

    And if he does not go to jail because of the Affluenza BS defense then mommy and daddy should do 10 years each as accessories to the fact. (or whatever legal phraseology is appropriate)

    Bottom line is someone should go to prison...



    How did you not know the particulars of the case?

    You posted the link without reading it?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2013 - 12:22 AM ET #18

    The stupid teen will only serve max 2 years if convicted.

    10 year probation is a better deal. 
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    The stupid teen will only serve max 2 years if convicted.

    10 year probation is a better deal. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2013 - 1:39 AM ET #19

    The key factor in this sentencing is that this kid cant fu ck up for the next 10 years or he will be thrown in prison. He stole beer from a store and drove drunk. Couch thinks he's untouchable.  He is under the impression that because his family has money, he cant get in trouble.

    Because of these factors,  this kid will be in prison within 4 years for viloating his terms of probation. I think the families affected will get what they deem to be a more appropriate sentence. They just have to be patient.

    My condolences go out to the families and kids who got hurt and died.
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    The key factor in this sentencing is that this kid cant fu ck up for the next 10 years or he will be thrown in prison. He stole beer from a store and drove drunk. Couch thinks he's untouchable.  He is under the impression that because his family has money, he cant get in trouble.

    Because of these factors,  this kid will be in prison within 4 years for viloating his terms of probation. I think the families affected will get what they deem to be a more appropriate sentence. They just have to be patient.

    My condolences go out to the families and kids who got hurt and died.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2013 - 2:11 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:





    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...
    The 6 people he killed/maimed would love to have his options.............& what kind of message does this send to other kids his age? "It's OK man, they can't touch us....we're kids. We can fuckk up & kill people & nothing will happen to us."

     Allowing kids to believe that for over a generation has led us to where we are now........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:





    Not putting him in prison gives him a chance to get an education and possibly contribute to society...

    Putting him in prison just adds to the tax burden... And will probably result in a career criminal that goes in and out of prison...

    Right now he may not realize it, but he basically just got the equivalent of a jackpot lottery win...
    The 6 people he killed/maimed would love to have his options.............& what kind of message does this send to other kids his age? "It's OK man, they can't touch us....we're kids. We can fuckk up & kill people & nothing will happen to us."

     Allowing kids to believe that for over a generation has led us to where we are now........
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2013 - 12:48 AM ET #21

    According to megyn Kelly-a questionable source,granted- his dad owns some sort of sheet metal plant- or something like that- apparently makes millions....

    The kid is supposedly in some sort of boys rehab type facility at the price of 450k per year -

    Just what was reported...

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    According to megyn Kelly-a questionable source,granted- his dad owns some sort of sheet metal plant- or something like that- apparently makes millions....

    The kid is supposedly in some sort of boys rehab type facility at the price of 450k per year -

    Just what was reported...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2013 - 1:36 AM ET #22

    Daddy owns Cleburne TX sheet metal, worth tons of dough. If you guys could hear all the pertinent facts in this case y'all would be ill.

    The key thing everybody should know is that mommy and daddy paid attorneys tons of cash and based their son's defense that their kid was a victim of their HORRIBLE and deplorable parenting Their attorney convinced the judge that there were terrible parents and judge fell for that crap story What a foolish stupid judge falling for that BS. Kid was a "victim" of his own richass parents,,,,What a crock,,,,

    Good news is that kid still must be sentenced for 2 other charges AND the judge can change sentence within 30 days of her original decision.. 

    This foolish accident was so horrific I'll just tell you one detail. Couple people were helping a stranded motorist in front of a family's house on a very dark stretch of country road no less...When 16 year old with .24 blood alcohol level comes careening around corner and crashes into disabled car, one of the girls killed was struck so hard (he was traveling 67 in a 45 mph zone) she and some of dismembered body parts flew in the air so far, parts of her landed in the neighbors yard some short distance away ..

    Furthermore, a photographer sent out to the scene was so distraught upon what destruction he was witnessing, was so traumatized he couldn't bear to snap a single photo. This was repeated by so many others that arrived upon the scene..Absolutely a horrific CRIME commited by an underage rich punk who already had an alcohol prior......and he gets 10 years probation  WTF??


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    Daddy owns Cleburne TX sheet metal, worth tons of dough. If you guys could hear all the pertinent facts in this case y'all would be ill.

    The key thing everybody should know is that mommy and daddy paid attorneys tons of cash and based their son's defense that their kid was a victim of their HORRIBLE and deplorable parenting Their attorney convinced the judge that there were terrible parents and judge fell for that crap story What a foolish stupid judge falling for that BS. Kid was a "victim" of his own richass parents,,,,What a crock,,,,

    Good news is that kid still must be sentenced for 2 other charges AND the judge can change sentence within 30 days of her original decision.. 

    This foolish accident was so horrific I'll just tell you one detail. Couple people were helping a stranded motorist in front of a family's house on a very dark stretch of country road no less...When 16 year old with .24 blood alcohol level comes careening around corner and crashes into disabled car, one of the girls killed was struck so hard (he was traveling 67 in a 45 mph zone) she and some of dismembered body parts flew in the air so far, parts of her landed in the neighbors yard some short distance away ..

    Furthermore, a photographer sent out to the scene was so distraught upon what destruction he was witnessing, was so traumatized he couldn't bear to snap a single photo. This was repeated by so many others that arrived upon the scene..Absolutely a horrific CRIME commited by an underage rich punk who already had an alcohol prior......and he gets 10 years probation  WTF??


     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2013 - 1:45 AM ET #23

    One question I have....

    What sentencing options are available for this crime?

    And, does the fact that he is a minor matter?
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    One question I have....

    What sentencing options are available for this crime?

    And, does the fact that he is a minor matter?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2013 - 1:45 AM ET #24

    Actually that was two...
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    Actually that was two...
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2013 - 1:47 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Daddy owns Cleburne TX sheet metal, worth tons of dough. If you guys could hear all the pertinent facts in this case y'all would be ill.

    The key thing everybody should know is that mommy and daddy paid attorneys tons of cash and based their son's defense that their kid was a victim of their HORRIBLE and deplorable parenting Their attorney convinced the judge that there were terrible parents and judge fell for that crap story What a foolish stupid judge falling for that BS. Kid was a "victim" of his own richass parents,,,,What a crock,,,,

    Good news is that kid still must be sentenced for 2 other charges AND the judge can change sentence within 30 days of her original decision.. 

    This foolish accident was so horrific I'll just tell you one detail. Couple people were helping a stranded motorist in front of a family's house on a very dark stretch of country road no less...When 16 year old with .24 blood alcohol level comes careening around corner and crashes into disabled car, one of the girls killed was struck so hard (he was traveling 67 in a 45 mph zone) she and some of dismembered body parts flew in the air so far, parts of her landed in the neighbors yard some short distance away ..

    Furthermore, a photographer sent out to the scene was so distraught upon what destruction he was witnessing, was so traumatized he couldn't bear to snap a single photo. This was repeated by so many others that arrived upon the scene..Absolutely a horrific CRIME commited by an underage rich punk who already had an alcohol prior......and he gets 10 years probation  WTF??



    Lastly, this story has enraged so many folks in the Metroplex you wouldn't believe....but you can't fire the judge..she is an elected official..some say she is a pretty good judge too(which I seriously doubt) Local radio talk show guy was so hot after this verdict he was giving out her home phone # 

    And yes, this kid will screw up again. just look at him....BTW, the first person to file a civil lawsuit against him and his parents, one of the kids riding WITH him...filed a $20 milion dollar suit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Daddy owns Cleburne TX sheet metal, worth tons of dough. If you guys could hear all the pertinent facts in this case y'all would be ill.

    The key thing everybody should know is that mommy and daddy paid attorneys tons of cash and based their son's defense that their kid was a victim of their HORRIBLE and deplorable parenting Their attorney convinced the judge that there were terrible parents and judge fell for that crap story What a foolish stupid judge falling for that BS. Kid was a "victim" of his own richass parents,,,,What a crock,,,,

    Good news is that kid still must be sentenced for 2 other charges AND the judge can change sentence within 30 days of her original decision.. 

    This foolish accident was so horrific I'll just tell you one detail. Couple people were helping a stranded motorist in front of a family's house on a very dark stretch of country road no less...When 16 year old with .24 blood alcohol level comes careening around corner and crashes into disabled car, one of the girls killed was struck so hard (he was traveling 67 in a 45 mph zone) she and some of dismembered body parts flew in the air so far, parts of her landed in the neighbors yard some short distance away ..

    Furthermore, a photographer sent out to the scene was so distraught upon what destruction he was witnessing, was so traumatized he couldn't bear to snap a single photo. This was repeated by so many others that arrived upon the scene..Absolutely a horrific CRIME commited by an underage rich punk who already had an alcohol prior......and he gets 10 years probation  WTF??



    Lastly, this story has enraged so many folks in the Metroplex you wouldn't believe....but you can't fire the judge..she is an elected official..some say she is a pretty good judge too(which I seriously doubt) Local radio talk show guy was so hot after this verdict he was giving out her home phone # 

    And yes, this kid will screw up again. just look at him....BTW, the first person to file a civil lawsuit against him and his parents, one of the kids riding WITH him...filed a $20 milion dollar suit
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