2nd Amendment Supporters

“Shotgun’s that have scopes to measure about 1000 m”

Thank you for making it so abundantly clear from the start that you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.

“I only quote the knowledgeable...You are more than 80% more likely to die of a gunshot wound than the rest of us non gun holders”

I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

“I truly have no problem w/ gun holders killing eachother off”

That speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

“but to think it will help you in personal protection seems absurd to me....Maybe cops in my city have me feeling comfortable, but I know that explanation doesn't fit the bill for morons who think class war-fare will allow for inner city folk to destroy the everyday citizen....Any1 who thinks they are so much more involved I ask you/no beg you to reply since I doubt your freedoms will be stolen because you cannot own a gun”

Let me ask you a questions slick: It’s 2:00 in the morning. You and your family are asleep. Suddenly someone breaks into your house with a shotgun with the intent on doing harm to you and your family. You dial 911 and the police are on their way.  What do you do to protect your family and yourself during those 10 minutes you are waiting to be rescued by men with guns?

“a multi-chamber gun that can fire off 16+ rounds”

A drunk retarded homeless man could do a better job intelligently talking about quantum physics than you do talking about firearms.

“I ask that you tell me where in the constitution it tells you to kill another human, let alone 16 others???”

I ask that you tell me where anyone said it did.

“I doubt NOT owning a gun will help me in personal protection”

First smart thing you said all thread.

“I really question those who own a gun think that will help them from getting jacked (when that rare occasion occurs)”

Over a million (and in some studies “millions of”) crimes every year are stopped because of a gun. Keep on questioning.  

So with over 3 million violent crimes committed each year in the US you think it’s a “rare occasion"?

“gun holder will probably kill themself in despair”

Right, because I’m sure the gun told them to do it. If someone wants to kill themselves, they are going to kill themselves. It has nothing to do with the gun and to claim everyone shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun because of it is beyond ignorant.

“or at least allow their child, niece, nephew to blow away their own kin by accidental mistake”

If you have children in the house, use common sense and keep your firearms in a safe. Problem solved.

On almost all major issues (abortion, death penalty, etc.) a well thought out, educated case could be made for either side.

Gun control is not one of them.

The only thing anti-2nd Amendment people have on their side is lies, half-truths, and emotion. Considering they are going up against facts, reason, and logic it’s no surprise every gun control thread ends with them waiving the white flag and walking off with their tail between their legs.

I have a dilemma, I got the bug and things went out of control very quickly. My original intent was to buy a 22 rifle for plinking, then I looked online for videos and the 22's just didn't seem very exciting(there's hardly any noise or recoil, much like shooting a pellet gun). After doing some research I bought a Sig 556(came with a free 522), a Howa 1500, and a Winchester Wildcat. Currently they sit at my local ffl cuz I didn't bring the proper documents when I went to pick them up. I was told for a non citizen they require prove that you have established 90 days of continuous occupancy at your present address. My plan was obviously going back with the paperwork, but I guess I'm getting cold feet for several reasons....

1. I worry if having this purchase on record could affect my future application for citizenship

2. How long will it take before I get tired of my toys and develop an addiction to acquire bigger and more impressive rifles

3. What type of enjoyment can I really extract from firing these guns, I mean once you've mastered 100 yds you'll want to go 200, then 600, 800, 1000 and beyond. It will be a constant drain on the wallet and to shoot long distance a decent scope is not cheap(something I found out later. I convinced myself I must get the guns cuz they were unbelievable deals and I can save up for the accessories later)

4. The gun laws are everchanging, what's ok today may become obsolete in the future. I think the single bolt rifles will always be fine, but assault style rifles like the Sig 556 may become illegal(I believe it's already against the law to own them in a few states)

Factoring everything into the equation, the original cost of ownership, cost of ammos(stock or reloading), club membership/range fees, regular maintenance/supplies, etc. I have come to this conclusion on my next course of action...

1. Bring the paperwork to the ffl and pick up the guns. Maybe keep the Howa and Winchester, sell the Sigs.

2. Return the guns and pay the 15% restocking fee and shipping

3. Keep the guns and try to sell them after a few months when they're out of stock, thus more likely to recup my total investment, perhaps even make a small profit

I know you some of you guys are true gun enthusiasts and love your hobby. For me, frankly, I just don't know if in the end the money, time and investment outweighs the reward. I know this might be a silly comparison, but the satisfaction of mastering a serve or shooting a jumper would be just as rewarding with far less financial commitment. Yes, I got the guns cuz I was bored and they looked cool, and now I'm having second thoughts

People who haven't taken a conceal and carry course and don't know anything about personal protection normally talk this way out of ignorance.

If I was walking down a street and someone was walking by me and pulled a knife and said, "give me your wallet," I would give him my wallet in a heartbeat.  Then when he ran off (if he didn't hurt me), I'd run the other way to the nearest safe area and call the police.  No moron in their right mind is going to try and be GI Joe when they are in an absolutely horrible spot like that. 

Now if this same guy had pulled his knife 15 yards ahead of me as he walked toward me, I would turn and run like hell all the while pulling out my gun.  Once unholstered, I would stop, turn around, and point it at him.  And I'd attempt to shoot him if he didn't stop. 

Or if I was at a store and someone came in and started robbing it at gunpoint....if I couldn't slip out the back, I'd get in the best hiding place possible and pull my gun.  I'd hope like hell they just took off, but at least I'd have something to fall back on if he came looking for people in the store.

It aint about being GI Joe, it's about doing whatever you can to remove yourself from a situation (first choice) and then using your judgment as to when it would be proper to pull your gun to defend yourself.  There are MANY situations I could find myself in where using a gun would not be possible (and would only be stupid).  But I can think of a TON of times where it could potentially save your life (and if you took a course, you'd understand these differences and how you evaluate them). 

THAT is why I have my permit.