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Minimum wage was originally intended to keep families at or above the poverty line
In 1968, the minimum wage was high enough for a family of three to be above the poverty line with the earnings of a full-time minimum-wage worker. Today, at the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year yields an annual income of only $15,080.

During this time period how much has CEO compensation increased?

From 1978 to 2012, CEO compensation measured with options realized increased about 875 percent, a rise more than double stock market growth and substantially greater than the painfully slow 5.4 percent growth in a typical worker’s compensation over the same period.
 
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San Francisco is having problems hiring traditionally lower paying jobs like line cooks right now because it's impossible to live there, or even most places within a reasonable commute distance on even 10 bucks an hour. Unemployment is 4.8%.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by redg:

Minimum wage was originally intended to keep families at or above the poverty line
In 1968, the minimum wage was high enough for a family of three to be above the poverty line with the earnings of a full-time minimum-wage worker. Today, at the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year yields an annual income of only $15,080.

During this time period how much has CEO compensation increased?

From 1978 to 2012, CEO compensation measured with options realized increased about 875 percent, a rise more than double stock market growth and substantially greater than the painfully slow 5.4 percent growth in a typical worker’s compensation over the same period.

Don't want a USA vs Canada (or any other country debate) but its way easier here to make ends meet then in most parts of the world.

I am very lucky to make roughly 35$ a hour (before taxes) and trust me, I aint that skilled!!

Just lucky to have had the opportunity HERE.

My same job in the US pays anywhere between 9-15$ Hour MAX

 
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What happens to the guys making a decent $18 or so when the minimum wage was $9.xx.

$18 ain't so hot when your kid is making $15 at working at Subway.



I brought up this point before in the Politics Forum. I don't think I ever got an answer.

What happens to the people who are currently making $15/hr? Do we keep them at $15/hr (which I'm sure won't make them happy) or do we give them a $7/hr raise, so now they make $22/hr.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:





And towards the end of the article to the lady saying she has worked at domino's for 5 years and thinks she deserves a raise....no you don't. They could drop you and hire someone with no experience to reproduce your tasks in two to three days. That is why it is termed "unskilled labor."

I appreciate her efforts and I understand the difficulties of the job market but for the article to emphasize "She even has to open and close the store sometimes" I mean come on. No one wants to pay $40 for a large pizza because low level workers would like a raise just because they have been their a long time. Domino's does not care about you nor do they value you as an employee. Their business plan does not support these kinds of changes nor will it ever. Time to move on.


The girl deserves a raise by the way. If I read that correctly, she is 'opening and closing' the store for minimum wage. Domino's has given her additional responsibilities (management responsibilities - like cash accountability and bank deposits) and pocketed the savings (why hire an Assistant Manager when we can screw this girl over) I'm not saying $15 is the right number but someone with the keys to the building, access to the safe, etc shouldn't be making less than $10 an hour.
 
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I brought up this point before in the Politics Forum. I don't think I ever got an answer.

What happens to the people who are currently making $15/hr? Do we keep them at $15/hr (which I'm sure won't make them happy) or do we give them a $7/hr raise, so now they make $22/hr.

What do you mean "we"?  That is for the employer/employee to work out.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

The training wage for teens is a good idea.....  

I don't like the term "unskilled labor"....  Most every job takes some sort of skill, hell....talking to people is a skill that many so-called "skilled workers" don't possess.  You have to know when food is cooked properly, proper handling, there are plenty of safety measures that have to be taken into consideration.    



So you're saying fast food actually cook their food? I thought they put a patty in the microwave and press the button, slap some sauce on the bun, put the patty down and throw a pickle (even though the advertisement shows 4 pickles) and a tomato and wrap it. What part of that requires skill you couldn't teach a 16 year old in 1 hour?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by redg:

Minimum wage was originally intended to keep families at or above the poverty line
In 1968, the minimum wage was high enough for a family of three to be above the poverty line with the earnings of a full-time minimum-wage worker. Today, at the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year yields an annual income of only $15,080.

During this time period how much has CEO compensation increased?

From 1978 to 2012, CEO compensation measured with options realized increased about 875 percent, a rise more than double stock market growth and substantially greater than the painfully slow 5.4 percent growth in a typical worker’s compensation over the same period.

Who gives a crap about CEO compensation.  We are talking about the $15 min wage here.
 
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What do you mean "we"?  That is for the employer/employee to work out.  


I'm glad you agree the govt should stay out of it.

 
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It's illustrative that this occurred within a week of the announcement that the American economy actually contracted during the last quarter, and on the heels of the the proposed, job-annihilating EPA rules.

So, we have measures at the macro level that are designed (or might as well be designed) to kill real, family-sustaining jobs, both winthin the industry at which they are aimed,as well as those who will be impacted by the rise in energy prices, while, at the micro level we see fools of the same political stripe trying to invent jobs that don't (and can't) actually exist - in this case, the $15/hour Arby's counter job.  If it weren't so tragic, and if the impacts on people's lives so real, it would be funny. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by examine:

Don't want a USA vs Canada (or any other country debate) but its way easier here to make ends meet then in most parts of the world.

I am very lucky to make roughly 35$ a hour (before taxes) and trust me, I aint that skilled!!

Just lucky to have had the opportunity HERE.

My same job in the US pays anywhere between 9-15$ Hour MAX


There's many parts of this country where you can make $15 an hour and still own a house and live reasonably comfortable especially if you have dual income.

The issue is that people live in areas they can't afford.  They need to move to a more affordable state or county.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by redg:

Minimum wage was originally intended to keep families at or above the poverty line
In 1968, the minimum wage was high enough for a family of three to be above the poverty line with the earnings of a full-time minimum-wage worker. Today, at the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year yields an annual income of only $15,080.

During this time period how much has CEO compensation increased?

From 1978 to 2012, CEO compensation measured with options realized increased about 875 percent, a rise more than double stock market growth and substantially greater than the painfully slow 5.4 percent growth in a typical worker’s compensation over the same period.

This, by the way, is a legitimate issue.  It doesn't get cured by jacking up the miniumum wage, however, as those costs will be felt much closer to the ground than the executive suite.

 
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Forget $15 an hour.  There was a guy I spoke to that bought his mom a house while working at Abercrombie and Fitch in the mall.  Can't imagine that pays more than $9 an hour.

People that can't afford certain areas need to move out to more affordable areas.  Either way they will probably be forced to sooner or later.  


 
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What all these fast food workers that want aw higher wage don't realize is when the wage goes up, so will the skills of the workers. People are going to leave their 10-12/hr jobs and take jobs from the current workers. With higher pay comes more competition.

Or maybe this is just a ploy to get rid of fast food all together....with the whole Obamacare hospitals could benefit from people eating healthier and having less fast food restaurants open. Just a thought.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


The issue is that people live in areas they can't afford.  They need to move to a more affordable state or county.


How far do you expect people to commute to their minimum wage job?   

This is not all negative for the Seattle economy.  It is the lower wage workers that spend a high percentage of their money in Seattle. Higher wage workers are much more likely to spend money for Swiss watches, German cars, foreign vacations, etc.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

What all these fast food workers that want aw higher wage don't realize is when the wage goes up, so will the skills of the workers. People are going to leave their 10-12/hr jobs and take jobs from the current workers. With higher pay comes more competition.

Or maybe this is just a ploy to get rid of fast food all together....with the whole Obamacare hospitals could benefit from people eating healthier and having less fast food restaurants open. Just a thought.

You have not worked in the industry to make a comment like this.

Even making 15 bucks an hour a FF job stinks..it is high stress, greasy, gross, lots of pressure.

This discussion is funny, every time some serf wage issue comes up the business fanatics think it will drive companies out of business when that never happens.

What happens is the workers that stay will end up having to work harder, prices will rise and profit margins will consolidate..which means the portion sizes will also decrease, food quality will probably suffer a little..but there wont be a catastrophe that some are suggesting.

On a different note when I was on my way to the local grocery store I saw a BIG banner from the local Jack in the Box proclaiming that they NOW ACCEPT EBT payments.

That is a much bigger issue than paying an over worked FF slave a reasonable wage.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



How far do you expect people to commute to their minimum wage job?   

This is not all negative for the Seattle economy.  It is the lower wage workers that spend a high percentage of their money in Seattle. Higher wage workers are much more likely to spend money for Swiss watches, German cars, foreign vacations, etc.

They don't have to commute far if they live in a state with low real estate prices which means lower cost of living.  


 
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Wallstreet if making min wage stinks don't you think that's motivation to look for other high paying work? What's wrong with people today? Everybody wants everything given to them with out having to work for it. These people need to ask themselves a question: if everyone in the world was like me, how would this world be?  Nothing would get done becasue they are expecting someone else to do the work. Mirror that and look what happens.

Don't tell me that fast food workers have pressure or stress. How can someone have pressure and stress at a job that takes less then a day to work and they do the same thing 4 days a week? You have to be kidding me, stress and pressure!

What happens is the workers that stay will end up having to work harder, prices will rise and profit margins will consolidate..which means the portion sizes will also decrease, food quality will probably suffer a little..but there wont be a catastrophe that some are suggesting.

If you don't think that is enough to close a business what else do you need? Prices rise, portion goes down and quality is lowered...I think that's enough to drive a customer away. Actually I'm all for fast food places closing. Turn the economy back into a mom and pop dinner, and healthier eating. Hopefully that lowers medical expenses.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


They don't have to commute far if they live in a state with low real estate prices which means lower cost of living.  



So your plan is to move all the McDonalds in Seattle somewhere where it is cheap to live?    
 
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Wow.  Thought I had heard it all.  No way does $7.25 even begin to cover ANYONE'S expenses.  Just look at most of these business owners.  Look at the debauchery going on.  Look at their homes, cars, vacation homes, clothing, bank accounts, yachts, etc, etc.  Now, look at what 99.9% of the rest of us schmucks have.   And it is getting worse.  The divide between the very wealthy and poor is growing wider every day.  I abhor government intervention on most levels, but this is a very, very good thing.  People deserve a living wage.  I don't mind competing, but when votes, laws to help the elite and representatives are  bought and paid for by the elite, you and I don't stand a chance.  We don't have a democracy.  We are an oligarchy.  And the odds of any one of us getting the be in that class?  About 5,000,000 or more, to one.  In other words, razor thin to none.  When laws become equal and fair between classes, then forget government interventions on wages.   Till then, I am on board.  And you should be also.  Jmho.
 
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A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: 

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:




So you're saying fast food actually cook their food? I thought they put a patty in the microwave and press the button, slap some sauce on the bun, put the patty down and throw a pickle (even though the advertisement shows 4 pickles) and a tomato and wrap it. What part of that requires skill you couldn't teach a 16 year old in 1 hour?

This comment is part of the problem with the perception of 'unskilled labor'.   I'm not saying YOU are ignorant (I don't know you, but I see that you are able to make a complete sentence and think for yourself so I will give you the benefit of the doubt as someone who is at least mildly intelligent), I'm saying this particular comment is ignorant.....   Everyone pictures the pimply-faced kid from the Simpsons working the fryer at Krusty Burger....it's not the same anymore...  The local Steak n' Shake near me is run by people in their later 20's to some in their 40's working every part of the business.   And yes, maybe some places you may just push a button or have a dummy system in place to tell someone when to pull a burger off the grill, but most (the better ones) like Five Guys are actually COOKING food as opposed to just warming it up..... so if you are saying that cooking is not a skill we have another debate completely.   If saying that something isn't a skill because you think you are above it, that is ignorant.....  I work some real dirtbag looking people on jobs that usually either hang drywall or insulation, I wouldn't say they are as skilled as a plumber or carpenter, but in no means do I demean their job as to say it's 'unskilled'... Actually there is a lot to know about their job no matter how menial it may seem.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

 
Don't tell me that fast food workers have pressure or stress. How can someone have pressure and stress at a job that takes less then a day to work and they do the same thing 4 days a week? You have to be kidding me, stress and pressure!



Another ignorant comment.....  Have you ever dealt with customers while working in any kind of food industry?   Having 50 people in line at noon who expect to get served immediately because they only have a 30-minute lunch?  People that can't make up their mind?  People that ask "What do you have?  Is that any good?".  People that let their little kids order?  People that complain about everything?  People that hold up lines counting out exact change or searching for coupons?  Have you ever watched any Youtube video of fast food brawls?   
 
 
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