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    Wager graded incorrectly by an A+ book, Thoughts ?

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    jeffreys123
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    Posted: May. 7, 2018 - 3:11 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreys123:

    I did know what I was betting on the FIRST time and the SECOND time. The mistake that I made was that I should have read the first wager 3 or 4 times and analyze it before betting it which most people would never do. The wager gave me the impression as to which team would score 10 first, at first glance. Also the odds were very reasonable as the odds for a 10th point scores would have been -105 or so as a coin flip. Also the wager never stated the words OF THE GAME which makes it very suspect. Overall, a bad experience and a very costly lesson.
    Not to Beat a Dead Horse,But you did not know what you were betting the FIRST time...you ASSUMED what you were betting the first time and when you got cold feet and tried to hedge you still didn't know what you had bet the first time and tried to hedge a different side.That you post that this bet was Mis-Graded does not speak well that you still don't understand who f*cked up.Theres a saying about ASSUME but you don't need to hear that crap.Every Gambling Lesson I ever learned I had to PAY for and I'm positive you won't forget this one.
    666LES I agree with you 100% that I should have looked better at the first wager. I kind of assumed and didn't take enough time to look at it. The part 10th point made it even more misleading as if it was lets say 15th or 18th point in such case I would have looked deeper. But, you agree with me that this was kind of a tricky wager? I mean why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager and allow a $1000 limit on it, and why would you even favor Houston here. what if the score was like 8-0 Houston that should even favor Minnesota to score next. I mean who would ever bet on that? I have years of experience and rarely make mistakes like that. I try to be very careful reading the wager first and It's been many years since I made a mistake like this that I can't even remember. But mistakes do happen and in this situation the wager was not 100% clear at least the wording and the odds, so I can't prove that the grading was wrong nor can the book prove that a loss is the correct grading, because I can argue that it meant team to score 10th on his own not OF THE GAME and I can also argue the odds not being 50/50.

    And that's why I am here to get others thoughts and advice as there is no rule that would justify on unjust the grading. Man, I can't tell you how bad it felt that night losing $5600 in a couple of hours, being forced to lose, then losing another $1500 the next day. I know that I should have been more patient and not chased my loss, but it was really painful. I lost a lot more than that in one day many times in years passed, but never felt very bad about it like this time. I don't mind to lose a wager on a team that I actually bet on. It left me very depressed for 3 weeks and I still feel so when I think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreys123:

    I did know what I was betting on the FIRST time and the SECOND time. The mistake that I made was that I should have read the first wager 3 or 4 times and analyze it before betting it which most people would never do. The wager gave me the impression as to which team would score 10 first, at first glance. Also the odds were very reasonable as the odds for a 10th point scores would have been -105 or so as a coin flip. Also the wager never stated the words OF THE GAME which makes it very suspect. Overall, a bad experience and a very costly lesson.
    Not to Beat a Dead Horse,But you did not know what you were betting the FIRST time...you ASSUMED what you were betting the first time and when you got cold feet and tried to hedge you still didn't know what you had bet the first time and tried to hedge a different side.That you post that this bet was Mis-Graded does not speak well that you still don't understand who f*cked up.Theres a saying about ASSUME but you don't need to hear that crap.Every Gambling Lesson I ever learned I had to PAY for and I'm positive you won't forget this one.
    666LES I agree with you 100% that I should have looked better at the first wager. I kind of assumed and didn't take enough time to look at it. The part 10th point made it even more misleading as if it was lets say 15th or 18th point in such case I would have looked deeper. But, you agree with me that this was kind of a tricky wager? I mean why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager and allow a $1000 limit on it, and why would you even favor Houston here. what if the score was like 8-0 Houston that should even favor Minnesota to score next. I mean who would ever bet on that? I have years of experience and rarely make mistakes like that. I try to be very careful reading the wager first and It's been many years since I made a mistake like this that I can't even remember. But mistakes do happen and in this situation the wager was not 100% clear at least the wording and the odds, so I can't prove that the grading was wrong nor can the book prove that a loss is the correct grading, because I can argue that it meant team to score 10th on his own not OF THE GAME and I can also argue the odds not being 50/50.

    And that's why I am here to get others thoughts and advice as there is no rule that would justify on unjust the grading. Man, I can't tell you how bad it felt that night losing $5600 in a couple of hours, being forced to lose, then losing another $1500 the next day. I know that I should have been more patient and not chased my loss, but it was really painful. I lost a lot more than that in one day many times in years passed, but never felt very bad about it like this time. I don't mind to lose a wager on a team that I actually bet on. It left me very depressed for 3 weeks and I still feel so when I think about it.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2018 - 4:08 PM ET #27

    I see where you are coming from since the "First to 10 points" is a really popular prop at most books.  That being said, its your fault for not re-reading the bet and not knowing exactly what you were betting on...
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    I see where you are coming from since the "First to 10 points" is a really popular prop at most books.  That being said, its your fault for not re-reading the bet and not knowing exactly what you were betting on...
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2018 - 11:40 PM ET #28

    This is not intended to sound overly rude (though it probably will), but you sound like an immature baby for someone who has so much time and experience gambling.  Even when you admit that you made a mistake or wrongful assumption, you follow it up by trying to place the blame and responsibility on someone else.  Also, NOBODY FORCED YOU to lose anything...you compounded your own mistake by chasing and lost more. 

    You didn't read the wager correctly and that is on you.  I've seen both the "to score 10 points 1st" and "to score the 10th point" props, and I knew exactly what your bet was the first time I read your original post.  If you have as much experience as you claim, surely you have seen both of these types of props before and should have known to be extra careful which one you were betting on, and if you had any doubt about what exactly you were wagering on you should have contacted the book before hand to double check.  I can't tell you how many times I've contacted a book ahead of time to make sure OT is included, or some other important aspect that could affect my outcome.

    IT WAS NOT A TRICKY WAGER, what do you expect the book to do...it was clearly worded and you read it wrong.  End of story.  Take it like a man and don't make the same mistake again.
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    This is not intended to sound overly rude (though it probably will), but you sound like an immature baby for someone who has so much time and experience gambling.  Even when you admit that you made a mistake or wrongful assumption, you follow it up by trying to place the blame and responsibility on someone else.  Also, NOBODY FORCED YOU to lose anything...you compounded your own mistake by chasing and lost more. 

    You didn't read the wager correctly and that is on you.  I've seen both the "to score 10 points 1st" and "to score the 10th point" props, and I knew exactly what your bet was the first time I read your original post.  If you have as much experience as you claim, surely you have seen both of these types of props before and should have known to be extra careful which one you were betting on, and if you had any doubt about what exactly you were wagering on you should have contacted the book before hand to double check.  I can't tell you how many times I've contacted a book ahead of time to make sure OT is included, or some other important aspect that could affect my outcome.

    IT WAS NOT A TRICKY WAGER, what do you expect the book to do...it was clearly worded and you read it wrong.  End of story.  Take it like a man and don't make the same mistake again.
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2018 - 9:19 AM ET #29

    Well put, dcp1985.

    "why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager "

    Books offer "coinflip wagers" all the time, because they make money off the juice.  You can bet whether the total number of points in a game is odd or even, etc.

     

    Maybe when you bet a prop, you want the book to ask you a series of questions..."Are you sure you want to bet this?  Are you sure you aren't confusing this prop with another prop?  Are you sure you aren't on tilt from a losing bet?..."

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    Well put, dcp1985.

    "why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager "

    Books offer "coinflip wagers" all the time, because they make money off the juice.  You can bet whether the total number of points in a game is odd or even, etc.

     

    Maybe when you bet a prop, you want the book to ask you a series of questions..."Are you sure you want to bet this?  Are you sure you aren't confusing this prop with another prop?  Are you sure you aren't on tilt from a losing bet?..."

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2018 - 10:08 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Well put, dcp1985.

    "why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager "

    Books offer "coinflip wagers" all the time, because they make money off the juice.  You can bet whether the total number of points in a game is odd or even, etc.

     

    Maybe when you bet a prop, you want the book to ask you a series of questions..."Are you sure you want to bet this?  Are you sure you aren't confusing this prop with another prop?  Are you sure you aren't on tilt from a losing bet?..."


    Yup they'll offer anything they can get somebody to throw money down on and I don't blame them...they make money on volume.

    Haha that would be hilarious...if you had to check a box asking "are you on tilt" before placing every wager.  Kinda like checking "I am not a robot" before every post here lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Well put, dcp1985.

    "why in the world would a book offer such a stupid coin flip wager "

    Books offer "coinflip wagers" all the time, because they make money off the juice.  You can bet whether the total number of points in a game is odd or even, etc.

     

    Maybe when you bet a prop, you want the book to ask you a series of questions..."Are you sure you want to bet this?  Are you sure you aren't confusing this prop with another prop?  Are you sure you aren't on tilt from a losing bet?..."


    Yup they'll offer anything they can get somebody to throw money down on and I don't blame them...they make money on volume.

    Haha that would be hilarious...if you had to check a box asking "are you on tilt" before placing every wager.  Kinda like checking "I am not a robot" before every post here lol.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2018 - 9:53 AM ET #31

    Lots of books offer these sucker bets at wrong prices only to get your money and then grade the bet as a loser because the prop has ambiguous meanings. Stay away from these bets at all costs.

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    Lots of books offer these sucker bets at wrong prices only to get your money and then grade the bet as a loser because the prop has ambiguous meanings. Stay away from these bets at all costs.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2018 - 7:46 PM ET #32

    not their fault, its your fault. They didn't trick you into anything. They don't put a gun to your head and say, "YOU MUST BET ON THIS." Sorry man, but this is your fault for not reading into it properly. 

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    not their fault, its your fault. They didn't trick you into anything. They don't put a gun to your head and say, "YOU MUST BET ON THIS." Sorry man, but this is your fault for not reading into it properly. 

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2018 - 8:57 PM ET #33

    I don't think you have a case. It clearly says scores 10th point, not first to 10pts. They probably did post it that way to entice people who usually play those props and not think anything of it.
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    I don't think you have a case. It clearly says scores 10th point, not first to 10pts. They probably did post it that way to entice people who usually play those props and not think anything of it.
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