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    SatNightFever05
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 9:03 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Far better athletes than Boise.  UCF (located in Tampa) is situated in the heart of one of those hottest talent pools in the country.  UCF has 4 consecutive top 50 recruiting classes.  Their average ranking of their last 5 classes is 43.

    Boise has never had a top 50 recruiting class in thier history.  The average ranking of their last 5 classes is 78.

    It should be noted that UCF has wins over SEC teams.  Boise has never stayed within 4 touchdowns of one.  Big difference.



    According to Scout...

    Recruiting Class Ranking:

    2007
    Boise- 57
    UCF- 61

    2008
    Boise- 63
    UCF- 66

    2009
    UCF- 59
    Boise- 60

    2010
    UCF- 59.. 23 commits, avg. 2.39
    Boise- 97.. 10 commits, avg. 2.50

    2011
    UCF- 57
    Boise- 67

    So unless I'm missing something,

    1- UCF has not had a top 50 class the past 5 years..
    2- Boise's avg. ranked is skewed due to the 2009 class when they only signed 10 guys (though that avg was higher than UCF's)
    3- Tough to compare a Boise team that's been dominant since 2007 (and 0-0 vs. SEC teams since then) to the Boise team that got smacked by UGA 8 years ago- and before Petersen became the coach..
    4- Again, UCF has not had a top 50 class according to Scout, it's average over the last 5 years is 60.4 compared to Boise's 61.7 (excluding the rouge 2010 class)


    Think it's safe to say overall, regardless of recruiting classes, Boise is heads and shoulders above UCF and, given the choice between the two, UCF would be, hands down, the team any other FBS school would rather play on a neutral field..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Far better athletes than Boise.  UCF (located in Tampa) is situated in the heart of one of those hottest talent pools in the country.  UCF has 4 consecutive top 50 recruiting classes.  Their average ranking of their last 5 classes is 43.

    Boise has never had a top 50 recruiting class in thier history.  The average ranking of their last 5 classes is 78.

    It should be noted that UCF has wins over SEC teams.  Boise has never stayed within 4 touchdowns of one.  Big difference.



    According to Scout...

    Recruiting Class Ranking:

    2007
    Boise- 57
    UCF- 61

    2008
    Boise- 63
    UCF- 66

    2009
    UCF- 59
    Boise- 60

    2010
    UCF- 59.. 23 commits, avg. 2.39
    Boise- 97.. 10 commits, avg. 2.50

    2011
    UCF- 57
    Boise- 67

    So unless I'm missing something,

    1- UCF has not had a top 50 class the past 5 years..
    2- Boise's avg. ranked is skewed due to the 2009 class when they only signed 10 guys (though that avg was higher than UCF's)
    3- Tough to compare a Boise team that's been dominant since 2007 (and 0-0 vs. SEC teams since then) to the Boise team that got smacked by UGA 8 years ago- and before Petersen became the coach..
    4- Again, UCF has not had a top 50 class according to Scout, it's average over the last 5 years is 60.4 compared to Boise's 61.7 (excluding the rouge 2010 class)


    Think it's safe to say overall, regardless of recruiting classes, Boise is heads and shoulders above UCF and, given the choice between the two, UCF would be, hands down, the team any other FBS school would rather play on a neutral field..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 9:07 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:

    They are 38-2 in the past 3 years, I do not care who you play that is very impressive.

     

    Not gonna help them against Georgia.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:

    They are 38-2 in the past 3 years, I do not care who you play that is very impressive.

     

    Not gonna help them against Georgia.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 9:12 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Not gonna help them against Georgia.

     


    What has impressed you with UGA?  They lost their own good WR in AJ Green, had major defensive breakdowns last year, have huge issues on the OL, lost all depth at RB outside a true frosh and lost non-home games last year to Colorado and Central Florida..

    Again.. they put up SIX points against UCF... SIX!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Not gonna help them against Georgia.

     


    What has impressed you with UGA?  They lost their own good WR in AJ Green, had major defensive breakdowns last year, have huge issues on the OL, lost all depth at RB outside a true frosh and lost non-home games last year to Colorado and Central Florida..

    Again.. they put up SIX points against UCF... SIX!


     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    According to Scout...

    Recruiting Class Ranking:

    2007
    Boise- 57
    UCF- 61

    2008
    Boise- 63
    UCF- 66

    2009
    UCF- 59
    Boise- 60

    2010
    UCF- 59.. 23 commits, avg. 2.39
    Boise- 97.. 10 commits, avg. 2.50

    2011
    UCF- 57
    Boise- 67

    So unless I'm missing something,

    1- UCF has not had a top 50 class the past 5 years..
    2- Boise's avg. ranked is skewed due to the 2009 class when they only signed 10 guys (though that avg was higher than UCF's)
    3- Tough to compare a Boise team that's been dominant since 2007 (and 0-0 vs. SEC teams since then) to the Boise team that got smacked by UGA 8 years ago- and before Petersen became the coach..
    4- Again, UCF has not had a top 50 class according to Scout, it's average over the last 5 years is 60.4 compared to Boise's 61.7 (excluding the rouge 2010 class)


    Think it's safe to say overall, regardless of recruiting classes, Boise is heads and shoulders above UCF and, given the choice between the two, UCF would be, hands down, the team any other FBS school would rather play on a neutral field..

    Have never used Scout.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    According to Scout...

    Recruiting Class Ranking:

    2007
    Boise- 57
    UCF- 61

    2008
    Boise- 63
    UCF- 66

    2009
    UCF- 59
    Boise- 60

    2010
    UCF- 59.. 23 commits, avg. 2.39
    Boise- 97.. 10 commits, avg. 2.50

    2011
    UCF- 57
    Boise- 67

    So unless I'm missing something,

    1- UCF has not had a top 50 class the past 5 years..
    2- Boise's avg. ranked is skewed due to the 2009 class when they only signed 10 guys (though that avg was higher than UCF's)
    3- Tough to compare a Boise team that's been dominant since 2007 (and 0-0 vs. SEC teams since then) to the Boise team that got smacked by UGA 8 years ago- and before Petersen became the coach..
    4- Again, UCF has not had a top 50 class according to Scout, it's average over the last 5 years is 60.4 compared to Boise's 61.7 (excluding the rouge 2010 class)


    Think it's safe to say overall, regardless of recruiting classes, Boise is heads and shoulders above UCF and, given the choice between the two, UCF would be, hands down, the team any other FBS school would rather play on a neutral field..

    Have never used Scout.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 9:49 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Have never used Scout.

     



    Scout is one of the worst ones if not the worst.  I think between Scout and ESPN it's a toss up.  I use 247sports and Rivals for my recruiting needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Have never used Scout.

     



    Scout is one of the worst ones if not the worst.  I think between Scout and ESPN it's a toss up.  I use 247sports and Rivals for my recruiting needs.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 10:07 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    What has impressed you with UGA?  They lost their own good WR in AJ Green, had major defensive breakdowns last year, have huge issues on the OL, lost all depth at RB outside a true frosh and lost non-home games last year to Colorado and Central Florida..

    Again.. they put up SIX points against UCF... SIX!


    Georgia is not playing UFC, and it's a completely different situation.

    I never been impressed with Georgia.  In fact I did a fairly extensive writeup on them at the beginning of last season in which I proclaimed I would not bet on Georgia the entire season.  They are the most schizophrenic team in the SEC, and I don't like to wager money on schizophrenic teams.

    I think Mark Richt's team are soft and very undisciplined.  They routinely are one of the worst team's in the countries in turnover margin and penalties.  They did improve on this quite a bit last season however.  Make no mistake about it, Boise has a huge coaching advantage in this matchup.  I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have no shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    What has impressed you with UGA?  They lost their own good WR in AJ Green, had major defensive breakdowns last year, have huge issues on the OL, lost all depth at RB outside a true frosh and lost non-home games last year to Colorado and Central Florida..

    Again.. they put up SIX points against UCF... SIX!


    Georgia is not playing UFC, and it's a completely different situation.

    I never been impressed with Georgia.  In fact I did a fairly extensive writeup on them at the beginning of last season in which I proclaimed I would not bet on Georgia the entire season.  They are the most schizophrenic team in the SEC, and I don't like to wager money on schizophrenic teams.

    I think Mark Richt's team are soft and very undisciplined.  They routinely are one of the worst team's in the countries in turnover margin and penalties.  They did improve on this quite a bit last season however.  Make no mistake about it, Boise has a huge coaching advantage in this matchup.  I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have no shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 10:10 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Whodeysb09:



    Scout is one of the worst ones if not the worst.  I think between Scout and ESPN it's a toss up.  I use 247sports and Rivals for my recruiting needs.

    I agree whole heartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whodeysb09:



    Scout is one of the worst ones if not the worst.  I think between Scout and ESPN it's a toss up.  I use 247sports and Rivals for my recruiting needs.

    I agree whole heartedly.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 12:08 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have no shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    So beating Oregon in b2b years and VT last year doesn't count as overcoming vast disparity in athletic ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have no shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    So beating Oregon in b2b years and VT last year doesn't count as overcoming vast disparity in athletic ability?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 12:15 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Have never used Scout.



    OK, using Rivals..

    Since 2002 (as far back as Rivals would go), UCF has had only 1 top 50 recruiting class (2011, #39)..



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Have never used Scout.



    OK, using Rivals..

    Since 2002 (as far back as Rivals would go), UCF has had only 1 top 50 recruiting class (2011, #39)..



     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 5:21 AM ET #35

    Georgia has one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, hired in 2009 Todd Gratham (11) years in the NFL and when he was with Michigan State the total defense was ranked 19th in 1996 & 13th in 1997...plus he had VT defense ranked 1st in rushing defense in 1995.

    If they get his system down Georgia football team will save Mark Richt's job.

    I know this don't mean shit, but i'll throw it in anyways...he worked under Nick Saban also .

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    Georgia has one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, hired in 2009 Todd Gratham (11) years in the NFL and when he was with Michigan State the total defense was ranked 19th in 1996 & 13th in 1997...plus he had VT defense ranked 1st in rushing defense in 1995.

    If they get his system down Georgia football team will save Mark Richt's job.

    I know this don't mean shit, but i'll throw it in anyways...he worked under Nick Saban also .

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 9:04 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Despite having an enormous coaching advantage over the buffoon Richt, whose job will essentially be on the line in this game, Boise is not in the same league as Georgia.  This is a complete athletic mis-match across the board.  This will be a complete ass-whoopin'. See previous results when Georgia played WAC teams; 48-13 over Boise, and 41-10 over Hawaii.  The propoganda channels of the mainstream media hyped the WAC team in both of those games as well.  Expect a similar result.

    Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

     

    You are correct, its time for Richt to shit, or get off the pot. No more excuses and no more chances.    In athleticism alone, Georgia wins and wins big, but the boys in blue, who are well coached, disciplined, and believe that they are better than they actually are, could make this game much closer.  I like Richt, i think he is a good coach, and although he has had some bad luck over the years with injuries, he has had more than enough talent to award him the nations top under achiever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Despite having an enormous coaching advantage over the buffoon Richt, whose job will essentially be on the line in this game, Boise is not in the same league as Georgia.  This is a complete athletic mis-match across the board.  This will be a complete ass-whoopin'. See previous results when Georgia played WAC teams; 48-13 over Boise, and 41-10 over Hawaii.  The propoganda channels of the mainstream media hyped the WAC team in both of those games as well.  Expect a similar result.

    Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

     

    You are correct, its time for Richt to shit, or get off the pot. No more excuses and no more chances.    In athleticism alone, Georgia wins and wins big, but the boys in blue, who are well coached, disciplined, and believe that they are better than they actually are, could make this game much closer.  I like Richt, i think he is a good coach, and although he has had some bad luck over the years with injuries, he has had more than enough talent to award him the nations top under achiever.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucan:

    Georgia has one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, hired in 2009 Todd Gratham (11) years in the NFL and when he was with Michigan State the total defense was ranked 19th in 1996 & 13th in 1997...plus he had VT defense ranked 1st in rushing defense in 1995.

    If they get his system down Georgia football team will save Mark Richt's job.

    I know this don't mean shit, but i'll throw it in anyways...he worked under Nick Saban also .

    Didn't really intend to turn this into a Boise discussion, but I agree with you.  The fact that I don't think Boise can score more than 14 points against the Dawgs (and the Dawgs should be able to at least get into the 30s) is why I like Georgia so much in this game.

    Last year Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense, and we saw the inevitable growing pains associated with the conversion.  This year the Georgia defenders will be much more comfortable and playing a lot faster in Gratham's system, so I expect a big improvement on that side of the ball this season.

    This feels like a 31-10 type game to me.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucan:

    Georgia has one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, hired in 2009 Todd Gratham (11) years in the NFL and when he was with Michigan State the total defense was ranked 19th in 1996 & 13th in 1997...plus he had VT defense ranked 1st in rushing defense in 1995.

    If they get his system down Georgia football team will save Mark Richt's job.

    I know this don't mean shit, but i'll throw it in anyways...he worked under Nick Saban also .

    Didn't really intend to turn this into a Boise discussion, but I agree with you.  The fact that I don't think Boise can score more than 14 points against the Dawgs (and the Dawgs should be able to at least get into the 30s) is why I like Georgia so much in this game.

    Last year Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense, and we saw the inevitable growing pains associated with the conversion.  This year the Georgia defenders will be much more comfortable and playing a lot faster in Gratham's system, so I expect a big improvement on that side of the ball this season.

    This feels like a 31-10 type game to me.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Didn't really intend to turn this into a Boise discussion, but I agree with you.  The fact that I don't think Boise can score more than 14 points against the Dawgs (and the Dawgs should be able to at least get into the 30s) is why I like Georgia so much in this game.

    Last year Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense, and we saw the inevitable growing pains associated with the conversion.  This year the Georgia defenders will be much more comfortable and playing a lot faster in Gratham's system, so I expect a big improvement on that side of the ball this season.

    This feels like a 31-10 type game to me.

     



    Georgia scoring 31, I just don't see that.  Personally, I think Boise wins this game or loses a very close game.  I don't think it will be a blowout either way.  Georgia isn't capable of beating a quality team like this by 3 touchdowns.  Just don't see it. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Didn't really intend to turn this into a Boise discussion, but I agree with you.  The fact that I don't think Boise can score more than 14 points against the Dawgs (and the Dawgs should be able to at least get into the 30s) is why I like Georgia so much in this game.

    Last year Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense, and we saw the inevitable growing pains associated with the conversion.  This year the Georgia defenders will be much more comfortable and playing a lot faster in Gratham's system, so I expect a big improvement on that side of the ball this season.

    This feels like a 31-10 type game to me.

     



    Georgia scoring 31, I just don't see that.  Personally, I think Boise wins this game or loses a very close game.  I don't think it will be a blowout either way.  Georgia isn't capable of beating a quality team like this by 3 touchdowns.  Just don't see it. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tideman:

    You are correct, its time for Richt to shit, or get off the pot. No more excuses and no more chances.    In athleticism alone, Georgia wins and wins big, but the boys in blue, who are well coached, disciplined, and believe that they are better than they actually are, could make this game much closer.  I like Richt, i think he is a good coach, and although he has had some bad luck over the years with injuries, he has had more than enough talent to award him the nations top under achiever.

    It's not that Mark Richt is a bad guy or even a a bad football coach.  His problem, much like Mike Shula, is team discipline.  It's never a good thing when the inmates are running the asylum.

    But as George Teague said about the Lamar Thomas strip in the 1993 National Championship game:  "He [Lamar Thomas] was running for a touchdown, I was running for my life."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHJfQGVmjmc

    And so it is with Mark Richt.   While Chris Peterson is coaching for a big win in hostile territory, Richt is coaching for his life!!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by tideman:

    You are correct, its time for Richt to shit, or get off the pot. No more excuses and no more chances.    In athleticism alone, Georgia wins and wins big, but the boys in blue, who are well coached, disciplined, and believe that they are better than they actually are, could make this game much closer.  I like Richt, i think he is a good coach, and although he has had some bad luck over the years with injuries, he has had more than enough talent to award him the nations top under achiever.

    It's not that Mark Richt is a bad guy or even a a bad football coach.  His problem, much like Mike Shula, is team discipline.  It's never a good thing when the inmates are running the asylum.

    But as George Teague said about the Lamar Thomas strip in the 1993 National Championship game:  "He [Lamar Thomas] was running for a touchdown, I was running for my life."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHJfQGVmjmc

    And so it is with Mark Richt.   While Chris Peterson is coaching for a big win in hostile territory, Richt is coaching for his life!!!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whodeysb09:



    Georgia scoring 31, I just don't see that.  Personally, I think Boise wins this game or loses a very close game.  I don't think it will be a blowout either way.  Georgia isn't capable of beating a quality team like this by 3 touchdowns.  Just don't see it. 

    Don't see why they wouldn't, they averaged 32 ppg or last season.  They should get into the 40s, but probably won't because offenses tend to be a little sluggish early in the season.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whodeysb09:



    Georgia scoring 31, I just don't see that.  Personally, I think Boise wins this game or loses a very close game.  I don't think it will be a blowout either way.  Georgia isn't capable of beating a quality team like this by 3 touchdowns.  Just don't see it. 

    Don't see why they wouldn't, they averaged 32 ppg or last season.  They should get into the 40s, but probably won't because offenses tend to be a little sluggish early in the season.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Don't see why they wouldn't, they averaged 32 ppg or last season.  They should get into the 40s, but probably won't because offenses tend to be a little sluggish early in the season.

     


    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Don't see why they wouldn't, they averaged 32 ppg or last season.  They should get into the 40s, but probably won't because offenses tend to be a little sluggish early in the season.

     


    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?



    you'll have to excuse that Freak...he knows better...he's such a good writer he gets lost in his own analysis ....so what otherwise would be an (accurate) and objective breakdown.....turns into a murder/mystery novella perhaps..........I..fortunately.....do not have that problem

    witness these nuggets....

       Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have not shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    where TF.....have you been exactly?......

    I believe I can help here...

    To hate Boise....being a Bama fan is totally understandable... 
    because you play a MUCH more difficult schedule  every year...but due to current system and most being not very sharp....Bama and Boise are evaluated as if the playing field/competition was equal....
         *EXAMPLE >  just give Boise ....Bama's "easy" 2011 schedule...they most likely go 7-5 or 6-6 even...Peterson overnight....becomes an average coach.....Kellen Moore ?.....a slightly above average QB....if he survives....as an immobile 6-0/180 lb pocket passer.....doubtful

    HOWEVER.....the Boise / Georgia matchup looks VERY familar doesn't it?....

    Questions to consider....    

    importance of game to each...
         Boise ?     besides TCU...most important game of season....win
                         here and nice shot at BCS title game
                        
         Georgia ?     other than a confidence builder.....none.....season
              will hinge on winning the SEC East.....loss here meaningless
              in season ending evaluation of Richt also...they beat SC this
              one forgotten immediately

    lookahead?
         Boise ?....next serious challenge is Nov 12 vs Frogs....(in their 
             minds).....Tulsa and Air Force are at home and may be tough
             tho....doubt it
        Georgia ?.....next week is biggest game of year vs S Carolina

    so here we go again....and YES....Georgia should kick their ass ...on paper ....just as Ducks should have also....and many more before them...believe the Sooners had a slight athletic edge.....

    simple LUCK vs Hokies?.....

    best to analyze a game "inside out".....meaning instead of watching the ball.....like your girlfriend might....watch what happens at the OL / DL level.....check out the "push" that either gets....often you can see the entire line get moved back in unison kinda....I actually thought the Hokies would present a problem....(that was a pretty physical and impressive Hokie running game)....but no...Ryan Williams only 21 carries for 44 yds....Evans 12 on 3...Broncos beat em up pretty good
    outgained 383 to 314....168 (7.0/rush with one 70 yd run) to 128 rushing yds for VT...Boise 3 sacks to 1...
     
    reason it was so close was because they played an uncharacteristically sloppy ass game.....
    11 penalties for 105 yds......2 fumbles that lead to Hokie TD's....and missed FG......and bad game for 58 min or so....by Moore .... 

    look to fade Boise next year when Moore....and 14 or so Sr starters...leave .....they just can't keep this up forever...can they?

    best of luck this year  boys.....you too Freak.....you ain't gonna need it  tho....not with that D.......... 

    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?



    you'll have to excuse that Freak...he knows better...he's such a good writer he gets lost in his own analysis ....so what otherwise would be an (accurate) and objective breakdown.....turns into a murder/mystery novella perhaps..........I..fortunately.....do not have that problem

    witness these nuggets....

       Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have not shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    where TF.....have you been exactly?......

    I believe I can help here...

    To hate Boise....being a Bama fan is totally understandable... 
    because you play a MUCH more difficult schedule  every year...but due to current system and most being not very sharp....Bama and Boise are evaluated as if the playing field/competition was equal....
         *EXAMPLE >  just give Boise ....Bama's "easy" 2011 schedule...they most likely go 7-5 or 6-6 even...Peterson overnight....becomes an average coach.....Kellen Moore ?.....a slightly above average QB....if he survives....as an immobile 6-0/180 lb pocket passer.....doubtful

    HOWEVER.....the Boise / Georgia matchup looks VERY familar doesn't it?....

    Questions to consider....    

    importance of game to each...
         Boise ?     besides TCU...most important game of season....win
                         here and nice shot at BCS title game
                        
         Georgia ?     other than a confidence builder.....none.....season
              will hinge on winning the SEC East.....loss here meaningless
              in season ending evaluation of Richt also...they beat SC this
              one forgotten immediately

    lookahead?
         Boise ?....next serious challenge is Nov 12 vs Frogs....(in their 
             minds).....Tulsa and Air Force are at home and may be tough
             tho....doubt it
        Georgia ?.....next week is biggest game of year vs S Carolina

    so here we go again....and YES....Georgia should kick their ass ...on paper ....just as Ducks should have also....and many more before them...believe the Sooners had a slight athletic edge.....

    simple LUCK vs Hokies?.....

    best to analyze a game "inside out".....meaning instead of watching the ball.....like your girlfriend might....watch what happens at the OL / DL level.....check out the "push" that either gets....often you can see the entire line get moved back in unison kinda....I actually thought the Hokies would present a problem....(that was a pretty physical and impressive Hokie running game)....but no...Ryan Williams only 21 carries for 44 yds....Evans 12 on 3...Broncos beat em up pretty good
    outgained 383 to 314....168 (7.0/rush with one 70 yd run) to 128 rushing yds for VT...Boise 3 sacks to 1...
     
    reason it was so close was because they played an uncharacteristically sloppy ass game.....
    11 penalties for 105 yds......2 fumbles that lead to Hokie TD's....and missed FG......and bad game for 58 min or so....by Moore .... 

    look to fade Boise next year when Moore....and 14 or so Sr starters...leave .....they just can't keep this up forever...can they?

    best of luck this year  boys.....you too Freak.....you ain't gonna need it  tho....not with that D.......... 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:




    you'll have to excuse that Freak...he knows better...he's such a good writer he gets lost in his own analysis ....so what otherwise would be an (accurate) and objective breakdown.....turns into a murder/mystery novella perhaps..........I..fortunately.....do not have that problem

    witness these nuggets....

       Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have not shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    where TF.....have you been exactly?......

    I believe I can help here...

    To hate Boise....being a Bama fan is totally understandable... 
    because you play a MUCH more difficult schedule  every year...but due to current system and most being not very sharp....Bama and Boise are evaluated as if the playing field/competition was equal....
         *EXAMPLE >  just give Boise ....Bama's "easy" 2011 schedule...they most likely go 7-5 or 6-6 even...Peterson overnight....becomes an average coach.....Kellen Moore ?.....a slightly above average QB....if he survives....as an immobile 6-0/180 lb pocket passer.....doubtful

    HOWEVER.....the Boise / Georgia matchup looks VERY familar doesn't it?....

    Questions to consider....    

    importance of game to each...
         Boise ?     besides TCU...most important game of season....win
                         here and nice shot at BCS title game
                        
         Georgia ?     other than a confidence builder.....none.....season
              will hinge on winning the SEC East.....loss here meaningless
              in season ending evaluation of Richt also...they beat SC this
              one forgotten immediately

    lookahead?
         Boise ?....next serious challenge is Nov 12 vs Frogs....(in their 
             minds).....Tulsa and Air Force are at home and may be tough
             tho....doubt it
        Georgia ?.....next week is biggest game of year vs S Carolina

    so here we go again....and YES....Georgia should kick their ass ...on paper ....just as Ducks should have also....and many more before them...believe the Sooners had a slight athletic edge.....

    simple LUCK vs Hokies?.....

    best to analyze a game "inside out".....meaning instead of watching the ball.....like your girlfriend might....watch what happens at the OL / DL level.....check out the "push" that either gets....often you can see the entire line get moved back in unison kinda....I actually thought the Hokies would present a problem....(that was a pretty physical and impressive Hokie running game)....but no...Ryan Williams only 21 carries for 44 yds....Evans 12 on 3...Broncos beat em up pretty good
    outgained 383 to 314....168 (7.0/rush with one 70 yd run) to 128 rushing yds for VT...Boise 3 sacks to 1...
     
    reason it was so close was because they played an uncharacteristically sloppy ass game.....
    11 penalties for 105 yds......2 fumbles that lead to Hokie TD's....and missed FG......and bad game for 58 min or so....by Moore .... 

    look to fade Boise next year when Moore....and 14 or so Sr starters...leave .....they just can't keep this up forever...can they?

    best of luck this year  boys.....you too Freak.....you ain't gonna need it  tho....not with that D.......... 

    I LOLed reading your post.  Ok, you busted me.    I admit to intentionally inflaming those among us who partake of the blue Kool-Aid being ladeled out by the propoganda channels of the mainstream media.    But it livens up the board and keeps them on their toes. 

    But yes it is true that Virginia Tech was clearly the better team last season.  After Tech spotted Boise a 17-point lead on a multitude of unforced errors, Tech pretty much dominated the remainder of the game.  To illustrate this point, after the first quarter the great Boise State had 1 first down, a grand total of 33 total yards, and a 17-0 lead.

    I guess the refs started feeling sorry for Boise at the end because apparently they felt compelled to even the playing field by gift-wrapping 44 yards of field position to Boise on 2 horrendous calls on the game-winning drive.  So instead of having to drive 80 yards to win the game, the refs truncated that to 36 yards.  That was so very benevolent of them don't you think?

    I have no doubt that some of my Covers brethren will wager good hard-earned money on Boise and hope they can run into a similar string of good fortune against the Dawgs, but I won't be one of them.

    I'm well aware of the look-ahead position Georgia finds themselves in, and that certainly is a concern.  That being said, I don't think the Dawgs will be under-motivated in front of a national audience in the Georgia Dome come September 3rd.

    I love all teams that win me money, and Boise certainly falls in that catagory.  I note your 2007 shield.  Maybe some of the old heads around here will recall how heavily I bet on them for years (and still do).  They are a proverbial cash cow.  So I have nothing but love for they who hail from the blue turf!!!

    Yeah, Bama's D looks to be pretty stout this year.  That, howver, should pretty much be an annual refain as long as the Jedi master is pulling the levers in T-town.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:




    you'll have to excuse that Freak...he knows better...he's such a good writer he gets lost in his own analysis ....so what otherwise would be an (accurate) and objective breakdown.....turns into a murder/mystery novella perhaps..........I..fortunately.....do not have that problem

    witness these nuggets....

       Note:  were it not for a ridiculous string of good fortune against Virginia Tech last season, they would have lost that game by 3 TDs.

    I just don't think Boise that will be enough to overcome the vast disparity in athletic ability.  They have not shown the ability to do that in the past, I don't think they'll do it this game either.


    where TF.....have you been exactly?......

    I believe I can help here...

    To hate Boise....being a Bama fan is totally understandable... 
    because you play a MUCH more difficult schedule  every year...but due to current system and most being not very sharp....Bama and Boise are evaluated as if the playing field/competition was equal....
         *EXAMPLE >  just give Boise ....Bama's "easy" 2011 schedule...they most likely go 7-5 or 6-6 even...Peterson overnight....becomes an average coach.....Kellen Moore ?.....a slightly above average QB....if he survives....as an immobile 6-0/180 lb pocket passer.....doubtful

    HOWEVER.....the Boise / Georgia matchup looks VERY familar doesn't it?....

    Questions to consider....    

    importance of game to each...
         Boise ?     besides TCU...most important game of season....win
                         here and nice shot at BCS title game
                        
         Georgia ?     other than a confidence builder.....none.....season
              will hinge on winning the SEC East.....loss here meaningless
              in season ending evaluation of Richt also...they beat SC this
              one forgotten immediately

    lookahead?
         Boise ?....next serious challenge is Nov 12 vs Frogs....(in their 
             minds).....Tulsa and Air Force are at home and may be tough
             tho....doubt it
        Georgia ?.....next week is biggest game of year vs S Carolina

    so here we go again....and YES....Georgia should kick their ass ...on paper ....just as Ducks should have also....and many more before them...believe the Sooners had a slight athletic edge.....

    simple LUCK vs Hokies?.....

    best to analyze a game "inside out".....meaning instead of watching the ball.....like your girlfriend might....watch what happens at the OL / DL level.....check out the "push" that either gets....often you can see the entire line get moved back in unison kinda....I actually thought the Hokies would present a problem....(that was a pretty physical and impressive Hokie running game)....but no...Ryan Williams only 21 carries for 44 yds....Evans 12 on 3...Broncos beat em up pretty good
    outgained 383 to 314....168 (7.0/rush with one 70 yd run) to 128 rushing yds for VT...Boise 3 sacks to 1...
     
    reason it was so close was because they played an uncharacteristically sloppy ass game.....
    11 penalties for 105 yds......2 fumbles that lead to Hokie TD's....and missed FG......and bad game for 58 min or so....by Moore .... 

    look to fade Boise next year when Moore....and 14 or so Sr starters...leave .....they just can't keep this up forever...can they?

    best of luck this year  boys.....you too Freak.....you ain't gonna need it  tho....not with that D.......... 

    I LOLed reading your post.  Ok, you busted me.    I admit to intentionally inflaming those among us who partake of the blue Kool-Aid being ladeled out by the propoganda channels of the mainstream media.    But it livens up the board and keeps them on their toes. 

    But yes it is true that Virginia Tech was clearly the better team last season.  After Tech spotted Boise a 17-point lead on a multitude of unforced errors, Tech pretty much dominated the remainder of the game.  To illustrate this point, after the first quarter the great Boise State had 1 first down, a grand total of 33 total yards, and a 17-0 lead.

    I guess the refs started feeling sorry for Boise at the end because apparently they felt compelled to even the playing field by gift-wrapping 44 yards of field position to Boise on 2 horrendous calls on the game-winning drive.  So instead of having to drive 80 yards to win the game, the refs truncated that to 36 yards.  That was so very benevolent of them don't you think?

    I have no doubt that some of my Covers brethren will wager good hard-earned money on Boise and hope they can run into a similar string of good fortune against the Dawgs, but I won't be one of them.

    I'm well aware of the look-ahead position Georgia finds themselves in, and that certainly is a concern.  That being said, I don't think the Dawgs will be under-motivated in front of a national audience in the Georgia Dome come September 3rd.

    I love all teams that win me money, and Boise certainly falls in that catagory.  I note your 2007 shield.  Maybe some of the old heads around here will recall how heavily I bet on them for years (and still do).  They are a proverbial cash cow.  So I have nothing but love for they who hail from the blue turf!!!

    Yeah, Bama's D looks to be pretty stout this year.  That, howver, should pretty much be an annual refain as long as the Jedi master is pulling the levers in T-town.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?

    Don't necessarily think they'll improve overall offensively, I just think they should be able to get into the 30s against Boise.

    There is a big difference between preparing to play with AJ Green and then having the rug pulled out from under you, and knowing he's not there and planning accordingly.  Tavarres King and Marlon Brown are not AJ Green, but they are talented receivers nontheless.

    I also don't think they are weak on the offensive line.  Cordy Glenn may be the best left tackle in the conference.  Georgia's problem, like Auburn last season, is they don't have anyone behind their first 5.  If this weren't the first game of the season, depth would concern me a bit more.  Boise's front 7 are a quick, scrappy bunch, so they'll have their hands full, but I think they'll be fine with what they have.

    Running back is a much bigger concern.  Isaiah Crowell won't be real familar with the offense in game 1 , so when he's in the game, that should be a tell that he's going to get the ball.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    How do you think the offense is going to improve sans AJ Green, a stable of RBs and a relatively weak OL?

    Don't necessarily think they'll improve overall offensively, I just think they should be able to get into the 30s against Boise.

    There is a big difference between preparing to play with AJ Green and then having the rug pulled out from under you, and knowing he's not there and planning accordingly.  Tavarres King and Marlon Brown are not AJ Green, but they are talented receivers nontheless.

    I also don't think they are weak on the offensive line.  Cordy Glenn may be the best left tackle in the conference.  Georgia's problem, like Auburn last season, is they don't have anyone behind their first 5.  If this weren't the first game of the season, depth would concern me a bit more.  Boise's front 7 are a quick, scrappy bunch, so they'll have their hands full, but I think they'll be fine with what they have.

    Running back is a much bigger concern.  Isaiah Crowell won't be real familar with the offense in game 1 , so when he's in the game, that should be a tell that he's going to get the ball.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Running back is a much bigger concern.  Isaiah Crowell won't be real familar with the offense in game 1 , so when he's in the game, that should be a tell that he's going to get the ball.


    When won't he be in the game?  Gotta think he'll be the featured back going against a top 5 front 7 all night..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Running back is a much bigger concern.  Isaiah Crowell won't be real familar with the offense in game 1 , so when he's in the game, that should be a tell that he's going to get the ball.


    When won't he be in the game?  Gotta think he'll be the featured back going against a top 5 front 7 all night..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by QBoption:

    WTF r u smokin!?

    11 national championships

    7 heismans

    and last but not least Touchdown Jesus (TDJ)!

    ...what chu know bout that!

    You're talking Before Christ......we're talking  After Christ......

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    11 national championships

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    and last but not least Touchdown Jesus (TDJ)!

    ...what chu know bout that!

    You're talking Before Christ......we're talking  After Christ......

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:19 AM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    When won't he be in the game?  Gotta think he'll be the featured back going against a top 5 front 7 all night..

    As you know, there's more to playing RB than just toting the rock . . . like blitz pick-up for instance.  I don't think there's any question Crowell will be the featured back this season, but how ready will he be to take over that role in week 1?  I can't see him being in the game on passing downs.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    When won't he be in the game?  Gotta think he'll be the featured back going against a top 5 front 7 all night..

    As you know, there's more to playing RB than just toting the rock . . . like blitz pick-up for instance.  I don't think there's any question Crowell will be the featured back this season, but how ready will he be to take over that role in week 1?  I can't see him being in the game on passing downs.

     

     
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    How does Boise do it?

    * and what is IT?....exactly

    consistently being the best prepared team in CFB....and the team that consistently maximizes the talent on hand....and probably the team that is best able to find....and exploit .....an opponents weakness

    here is an excellent article (year or so ago)....on how they do it offensively....warning > tough read if you don't know (a lot) about football

      https://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/breaking-down-boise-how-the-broncos-use-leverage-numbers-and-grass-to-gash-the-opposition

    * note: those fading Texas (now has ex Boise OC Bryan Harsin running their offense) watch out...

    most teams simply design/run plays....sure they are sharp guys that also look for defensive weaknesses...but almost all will stick to a given philosophy ....to the point of.....WTF is he thinking?

    * Oregon > Chip Kelly ...vs Boise 2009...ran same zone read ....even though not gaining more than a few inches....for 4 quarters....(thinking eventually it would break)..ditto vs Auburn....one time in own end zone
    Boise and Auburn were killing em up front....getting penetration to the "mesh point" (where QB/RB exchange takes place)....> dumbass

    you see other teams doing the same thing....let's see if Kelly has gotten any smarter.....in LSU game   ....BOISE....does not do that.....as they have no "philosophy"...

    that's why betting against them is tough to do....

    is Boise gonna show up just F'in ready to play?.....for 4 full quarters?
    are they gonna be well prepared?...is Peterson and staff gonna make lightning fast ....and probably dead on...in-game adjustments?   YES

    ask same questions about Georgia....
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    How does Boise do it?

    * and what is IT?....exactly

    consistently being the best prepared team in CFB....and the team that consistently maximizes the talent on hand....and probably the team that is best able to find....and exploit .....an opponents weakness

    here is an excellent article (year or so ago)....on how they do it offensively....warning > tough read if you don't know (a lot) about football

      https://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/breaking-down-boise-how-the-broncos-use-leverage-numbers-and-grass-to-gash-the-opposition

    * note: those fading Texas (now has ex Boise OC Bryan Harsin running their offense) watch out...

    most teams simply design/run plays....sure they are sharp guys that also look for defensive weaknesses...but almost all will stick to a given philosophy ....to the point of.....WTF is he thinking?

    * Oregon > Chip Kelly ...vs Boise 2009...ran same zone read ....even though not gaining more than a few inches....for 4 quarters....(thinking eventually it would break)..ditto vs Auburn....one time in own end zone
    Boise and Auburn were killing em up front....getting penetration to the "mesh point" (where QB/RB exchange takes place)....> dumbass

    you see other teams doing the same thing....let's see if Kelly has gotten any smarter.....in LSU game   ....BOISE....does not do that.....as they have no "philosophy"...

    that's why betting against them is tough to do....

    is Boise gonna show up just F'in ready to play?.....for 4 full quarters?
    are they gonna be well prepared?...is Peterson and staff gonna make lightning fast ....and probably dead on...in-game adjustments?   YES

    ask same questions about Georgia....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    How does Boise do it?

    * and what is IT?....exactly

    consistently being the best prepared team in CFB....and the team that consistently maximizes the talent on hand....and probably the team that is best able to find....and exploit .....an opponents weakness

    here is an excellent article (year or so ago)....on how they do it offensively....warning > tough read if you don't know (a lot) about football

      https://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/breaking-down-boise-how-the-broncos-use-leverage-numbers-and-grass-to-gash-the-opposition

    * note: those fading Texas (now has ex Boise OC Bryan Harsin running their offense) watch out...

    most teams simply design/run plays....sure they are sharp guys that also look for defensive weaknesses...but almost all will stick to a given philosophy ....to the point of.....WTF is he thinking?

    * Oregon > Chip Kelly ...vs Boise 2009...ran same zone read ....even though not gaining more than a few inches....for 4 quarters....(thinking eventually it would break)..ditto vs Auburn....one time in own end zone
    Boise and Auburn were killing em up front....getting penetration to the "mesh point" (where QB/RB exchange takes place)....> dumbass

    you see other teams doing the same thing....let's see if Kelly has gotten any smarter.....in LSU game   ....BOISE....does not do that.....as they have no "philosophy"...

    that's why betting against them is tough to do....

    is Boise gonna show up just F'in ready to play?.....for 4 full quarters?
    are they gonna be well prepared?...is Peterson and staff gonna make lightning fast ....and probably dead on...in-game adjustments?   YES

    ask same questions about Georgia....

    Boise does it primarily by playing the weakest schedule in DI football.

    Is that to say that Boise is not a good team?  Nope.  Clearly they are which is why I bet on them frequently.

    Is that to say they are not well coached?  Not at all.  I have consistently praised Boise for being an exceptionally well coached team who gets the most out of the talent they have.  In fact I've done so in this very thread.

    Is that to say they don't have an explosive offense?  Of course not.

    Does that mean they don't have an excellent QB who protects the ball well and makes accurate throws?  Nope, not that either.

    Boise is all of those things and more.  But that doesn't change the fact that Boise accumulates absurd stats against some of the worst college football programs in the nation.

    Aside from the game that we've discussed ad nauseum, which was clearly a road game for Boise even though officially it wasn't, let's look at Boise's road schedule last season.  Their road games were . . .  wait for it . . . drum roll please . . . Wyoming, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Idaho & Nevada, and they caught Nevada, who I also don't think is a very good team, on a short week and still lost.  To rank someone who plays that kind of a schedule in the top 10 is to make a complete mockery of college football.  Be that as it may, THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT!!!

    The offensive concepts discussed in the acticle are really nothing new to any offensive or defensive coordiator in contemporary football.  In fact Boise's shifts are rather simplistic because the only two players they shift are the TE & FB.  The actual architect of this offensive philosophy was Tom Landry of the Dallas Cowboys.

    Although Boise is not strictly a misdirection offense, they do mix quite a bit of misdirection in their game plans.  In speaking to one of my friends who use to be a defensive coach at Alabama, but as of this year is no longer coaching there, he said the way they defended Florida (and by extension Mississippi State) in simple terms was to tackle the guy they didn't think was going to get the ball.  When they did this, they invariably tackle the guy with the ball.  That is a bit of an over-simplification, but nevertheless when Saban essentially cracked Meyer's offensive code, I believe Meyer knew he was finishedin the SEC, and that's why he retired.

    To illustrate my point, let's take Florida's TE shuffle pass.  Florida burned Bama with that play in the 2008 SEC Championship game  In the 2009 game, Bama assigned someone to tackle Aaron Hernandez everytime he pulled.  The one time they tried that play, Eric Anders had Hernandez wrapped-up almost before he got the ball.

    In sum, in simplistic terms Saban's theory against Florida was to maintain lane discipline and tackle the guy who you didn't think was going to get the ball (usually on the weakside of the formation).

    Now back to Boise.  As I said above, there is no question Boise has a very good offense, but most of the time when they play a good defensive team, Boise numbers plummet back to earth.  In the Virginia Tech game (a game they had no business winning) Boise never once drove the length of the field and scored a TD.  The one long TD they got was essentially a breakdown by VT's defense on a 3rd and inches.  Nevertheless, that is a TD they legitimately earned.  The other 3 were gimmes by VT and the officiating crew.  But let's be generous and credit Boise's offense with scoring 16 points.

    So Boise generated 16 points against the only respectable defense they play all year.  If you include Utah, they scored 26 against them.

    The year before last Boise faced two respectable defensive teams and they scored 19 and 17 points respectively.

    This proves my initial premise which is that Boise's gaudy offensive stats are primarily a product of their weak schedule, and not so much because they are an unstoppable offensive jauggernaut.

    Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense last season, and was frequently burned because they were out of position.  I believe we will see them be much more assignment sound in year two under Todd Grantham.

    Accordingly I don't think Boise will generate many points in this game - I think 14 or less.  If I'm wrong, then this will be a very tight ball game.  If I'm right, and I think I will be, Georgia should win this game by multiple TDs (just like they did the last time Boise was suppose to beat them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    How does Boise do it?

    * and what is IT?....exactly

    consistently being the best prepared team in CFB....and the team that consistently maximizes the talent on hand....and probably the team that is best able to find....and exploit .....an opponents weakness

    here is an excellent article (year or so ago)....on how they do it offensively....warning > tough read if you don't know (a lot) about football

      https://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/breaking-down-boise-how-the-broncos-use-leverage-numbers-and-grass-to-gash-the-opposition

    * note: those fading Texas (now has ex Boise OC Bryan Harsin running their offense) watch out...

    most teams simply design/run plays....sure they are sharp guys that also look for defensive weaknesses...but almost all will stick to a given philosophy ....to the point of.....WTF is he thinking?

    * Oregon > Chip Kelly ...vs Boise 2009...ran same zone read ....even though not gaining more than a few inches....for 4 quarters....(thinking eventually it would break)..ditto vs Auburn....one time in own end zone
    Boise and Auburn were killing em up front....getting penetration to the "mesh point" (where QB/RB exchange takes place)....> dumbass

    you see other teams doing the same thing....let's see if Kelly has gotten any smarter.....in LSU game   ....BOISE....does not do that.....as they have no "philosophy"...

    that's why betting against them is tough to do....

    is Boise gonna show up just F'in ready to play?.....for 4 full quarters?
    are they gonna be well prepared?...is Peterson and staff gonna make lightning fast ....and probably dead on...in-game adjustments?   YES

    ask same questions about Georgia....

    Boise does it primarily by playing the weakest schedule in DI football.

    Is that to say that Boise is not a good team?  Nope.  Clearly they are which is why I bet on them frequently.

    Is that to say they are not well coached?  Not at all.  I have consistently praised Boise for being an exceptionally well coached team who gets the most out of the talent they have.  In fact I've done so in this very thread.

    Is that to say they don't have an explosive offense?  Of course not.

    Does that mean they don't have an excellent QB who protects the ball well and makes accurate throws?  Nope, not that either.

    Boise is all of those things and more.  But that doesn't change the fact that Boise accumulates absurd stats against some of the worst college football programs in the nation.

    Aside from the game that we've discussed ad nauseum, which was clearly a road game for Boise even though officially it wasn't, let's look at Boise's road schedule last season.  Their road games were . . .  wait for it . . . drum roll please . . . Wyoming, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Idaho & Nevada, and they caught Nevada, who I also don't think is a very good team, on a short week and still lost.  To rank someone who plays that kind of a schedule in the top 10 is to make a complete mockery of college football.  Be that as it may, THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT!!!

    The offensive concepts discussed in the acticle are really nothing new to any offensive or defensive coordiator in contemporary football.  In fact Boise's shifts are rather simplistic because the only two players they shift are the TE & FB.  The actual architect of this offensive philosophy was Tom Landry of the Dallas Cowboys.

    Although Boise is not strictly a misdirection offense, they do mix quite a bit of misdirection in their game plans.  In speaking to one of my friends who use to be a defensive coach at Alabama, but as of this year is no longer coaching there, he said the way they defended Florida (and by extension Mississippi State) in simple terms was to tackle the guy they didn't think was going to get the ball.  When they did this, they invariably tackle the guy with the ball.  That is a bit of an over-simplification, but nevertheless when Saban essentially cracked Meyer's offensive code, I believe Meyer knew he was finishedin the SEC, and that's why he retired.

    To illustrate my point, let's take Florida's TE shuffle pass.  Florida burned Bama with that play in the 2008 SEC Championship game  In the 2009 game, Bama assigned someone to tackle Aaron Hernandez everytime he pulled.  The one time they tried that play, Eric Anders had Hernandez wrapped-up almost before he got the ball.

    In sum, in simplistic terms Saban's theory against Florida was to maintain lane discipline and tackle the guy who you didn't think was going to get the ball (usually on the weakside of the formation).

    Now back to Boise.  As I said above, there is no question Boise has a very good offense, but most of the time when they play a good defensive team, Boise numbers plummet back to earth.  In the Virginia Tech game (a game they had no business winning) Boise never once drove the length of the field and scored a TD.  The one long TD they got was essentially a breakdown by VT's defense on a 3rd and inches.  Nevertheless, that is a TD they legitimately earned.  The other 3 were gimmes by VT and the officiating crew.  But let's be generous and credit Boise's offense with scoring 16 points.

    So Boise generated 16 points against the only respectable defense they play all year.  If you include Utah, they scored 26 against them.

    The year before last Boise faced two respectable defensive teams and they scored 19 and 17 points respectively.

    This proves my initial premise which is that Boise's gaudy offensive stats are primarily a product of their weak schedule, and not so much because they are an unstoppable offensive jauggernaut.

    Georgia switched to a 3-4 defense last season, and was frequently burned because they were out of position.  I believe we will see them be much more assignment sound in year two under Todd Grantham.

    Accordingly I don't think Boise will generate many points in this game - I think 14 or less.  If I'm wrong, then this will be a very tight ball game.  If I'm right, and I think I will be, Georgia should win this game by multiple TDs (just like they did the last time Boise was suppose to beat them).

     
     
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    Gotta FOCUS....

    Sure.....Boise doesn't deserve the equal billing they receive each year with Bama and others.....

    THAT is not the issue here.....for ONE game..what are they capable of ?

    ANSWER?....beating most any team on a given night....

    still showing obvious bias.....officials.....luck....just another lucky team with an easy schedule huh?......ROTFLMFAO

    *missing one huge point....their defense is pretty tough....easy to check....when they DO play good teams...on a big stage....what do they give up?.....compare to what the same team got vs other good D's....agree this should be a low scoring game....UNDER maybe the way to go...

      just for our entertainment .....since you think a 2-3 TD Georgia win is in the cards....You really should post....what should be a monster play on football genius Richt and his Dawgs.......   
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    Gotta FOCUS....

    Sure.....Boise doesn't deserve the equal billing they receive each year with Bama and others.....

    THAT is not the issue here.....for ONE game..what are they capable of ?

    ANSWER?....beating most any team on a given night....

    still showing obvious bias.....officials.....luck....just another lucky team with an easy schedule huh?......ROTFLMFAO

    *missing one huge point....their defense is pretty tough....easy to check....when they DO play good teams...on a big stage....what do they give up?.....compare to what the same team got vs other good D's....agree this should be a low scoring game....UNDER maybe the way to go...

      just for our entertainment .....since you think a 2-3 TD Georgia win is in the cards....You really should post....what should be a monster play on football genius Richt and his Dawgs.......   
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