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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2016 - 6:09 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by incognegro:


    How about an insight as to why rather than a "feeling?"
    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 
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    How about an insight as to why rather than a "feeling?"
    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 

    Thank you for your perspective.  
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    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 

    Thank you for your perspective.  
     
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    Betting on 7 preseason 1st team all Conference offensive players alone for Clemson.  Lawson is a beast on defense for Auburn, a few other good starters but plenty of question marks on D for Auburn. Auburn defensive rankings not that great last year. ( Yes they played a  tough schedule) . Yes Clemson replaces a ton on defense but the Auburn offense is not well positioned to take advantage of the Clemson weaknesses. 
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    Betting on 7 preseason 1st team all Conference offensive players alone for Clemson.  Lawson is a beast on defense for Auburn, a few other good starters but plenty of question marks on D for Auburn. Auburn defensive rankings not that great last year. ( Yes they played a  tough schedule) . Yes Clemson replaces a ton on defense but the Auburn offense is not well positioned to take advantage of the Clemson weaknesses. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    My first pick is Clemson minus whatever.  While Clemson is playing on the road and has a history of struggling with SEC teams, I really don't see how what I expect to be an abysmal Auburn offense will be competitive for four quarters.  I'm looking for a 38-10 type of score.

     

    big fan of yours since wagerline, watson and gallman will score a bunch. Defensively they took a big hit over the offseason losing dodd, lawson, alexander and among 6 others players. i see venables disposal is not the same. bol this year jimmy 
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    My first pick is Clemson minus whatever.  While Clemson is playing on the road and has a history of struggling with SEC teams, I really don't see how what I expect to be an abysmal Auburn offense will be competitive for four quarters.  I'm looking for a 38-10 type of score.

     

    big fan of yours since wagerline, watson and gallman will score a bunch. Defensively they took a big hit over the offseason losing dodd, lawson, alexander and among 6 others players. i see venables disposal is not the same. bol this year jimmy 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2016 - 12:23 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Quote Originally Posted by incognegro:

    How about an insight as to why rather than a "feeling?"
    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year.


    I agree with almost everything u said except the ohio state part. They went like 13-1 last year. The only Gane they lost was vs mich st at hm on a wet field which favored mich st. On a dry field ohio st wins that gm by 14 and they're back in the final 4.

    They were dominant last yr in most of their wins bit they went 13-1 or whatever. In 2014 they just got hot late in the year is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by incognegro:

    How about an insight as to why rather than a "feeling?"
    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year.


    I agree with almost everything u said except the ohio state part. They went like 13-1 last year. The only Gane they lost was vs mich st at hm on a wet field which favored mich st. On a dry field ohio st wins that gm by 14 and they're back in the final 4.

    They were dominant last yr in most of their wins bit they went 13-1 or whatever. In 2014 they just got hot late in the year is all.
     
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    Clemson at auburn arguably the biggest game at jordan hare since the 2013 iron bowl. The crowd will be out of control after drinking all day. I think it's an 8 or 9 pm local time kickoff so they'll be drunk off their azzes. Just another something to think about when laying the points.

    I still lean Auburn +7.5 or no play at all. I might tease it to 14.5 and throw it on a two reamer
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    Clemson at auburn arguably the biggest game at jordan hare since the 2013 iron bowl. The crowd will be out of control after drinking all day. I think it's an 8 or 9 pm local time kickoff so they'll be drunk off their azzes. Just another something to think about when laying the points.

    I still lean Auburn +7.5 or no play at all. I might tease it to 14.5 and throw it on a two reamer
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 

    Good to see you back this season Dr. SL, and I appreciate the thoughtful post.

    Before I delve into my response, I will make a general point here - one that I make frequently around this time of year.

    Probably the most worthless stat that is peddled in the college football world is returning tackles and other such meaningless returning stats.  And when I say that, I exclude returning starters which I believe is a very valid stat through probably the first 3 weeks of the season.  The implication of these stats are that if this year's starter had played the previous season, he would not have made any of the tackles that his predecessor made, or at least not as many.  That is not only a ridiculous assertion, it is pure conjecture.

    I agree with your basic premise that in order for Auburn to remain competitive in this game, their offense needs to dominate time-of-possession (TOP) thereby keeping Watson on the sidelines.  This is something that I have preached about on nearly an annual basis when Clemson and South Carolina meet in the Battle of the Palmetto State.

    I challenge anyone to look up the game stats during South Carolina's 5-game winning streak over Clemson.  I'm challenging you to do it, because I'm too lazy to do so.  Nevertheless, during Spurrier's 5-game winning streak over Dabo, look at one stat, and one stat only: TOP.  Spurrier's game plan versus Clemson was super simple; play ugly SEC grind-it-out-in-the-trenches, ball control offense, and keep Clemson’s high-flying offense on the sideline.  What you will find is that in all five of those games, South Carolina utterly dominated the TOP by an average of something like 38 to 22.  Alabama did the same thing to Clemson in the 2008 season opener (just as I predicted they would).

    Clemson now has a 2-game winning streak in the South Carolina series, and won the TOP battle in both of those games.  And the reason they did so because Dabo recognized that for his team to reach the next level, he would need to be SEC good in the trenches, and recruited accordingly.

    It should be noted that Alabama tried to play ball control and assert their dominance in the trenches against Clemson in the national title game, and failed miserably.  In fact, I would argue Clemson’s defensive front 7 won the battle at the point of attack.

    So that brings us full-circle back to the Clemson/Auburn matchup.  If you believe Auburn can successfully execute the Steve Spurrier ball-control game plan against Clemson, which is their only chance to remain competitive, then you should probably take the points.  I, however, think there is virtually zero shot that will happen.

    For starters, playing a slow, ball control brand of football is completely antithetical to the Gus Malzahn offensive philosophy.  Malzahn wants his offense to run fast . . . very fast.  At this point, because Auburn's other QB prospects are so inept; it appears that pro-style QB Sean White will win the job by default.  Why Malzahn even recruited a pro-style QB, and why a pro-style QB would commit to Malzahn is bizarre to say the least, but here we are.  We know from last season that White cannot execute the offense Malzahn wants to run.  Basically, Auburn’s offense has zero leadership, has zero experience at running back, and virtually no experience on the outside – not that last season’s wide outs were anything to brag about.  Auburn’s offense is basically a rudderless ship at sea, and it’s taking on water.

    I have submitted on this forum that Auburn's offense is a complete basket case that is wholly incapable of taking advantage of any shortcomings Clemson's defense may have, and that was before yesterday's scrimmage.  In speaking to two observers who were there, after watching how dismal and dysfunctional Auburn's offense was, they are now inclined to agree with my assessment that the offense is bad, and that it will be a very long season for Auburn backers.

    I don't have the time or space to address Clemson's offense right now except to say it will be even better than it was last season.

    The bottom line is that if you're betting on the ability of Auburn's offense to adopt the Spurrier strategy to shorten the game by dominating TOP, or taking advantage of any of Clemson’s defensive vulnerabilities, I think it’s a very ill-conceived bet.  There is pretty much no shot that will happen.

    Once again, lay the points!

     

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    Clemson has some negatives of their own going into this season. Only 46% of their tackles return, along with 27% of their tackles for loss. The most in the ACC. Last year Clemson was able to overcome their losses on defense. But more often than not, unless you're Alabama, you don't get repeats like that. Especially when you have to go on the road in your first game against a very good running team with and most liikely an improved defense. I agree with everybody that Clemson has a great offense and Watson is phenomenal. But he may not see as much of the field as people expect..I think Auburn will have enough success running the ball against the young Clemson D to make this game interesting. I can halfway understand why the majority will like Clemson in this spot after their showing against OU and Bama in the playoff. Just keep in mind that Clemson lost 7 of those starters to the NFL draft. Basically what your betting on with Clemson is they will make another easy transistion like they did last year. But this is a new season, new players, new chemistry. Unless your Bama, who is at the top of recruiting every season, it's hard to keep things rolling on both sides of the ball year after year. Ohio State was a perfect example of that last year. 

    Good to see you back this season Dr. SL, and I appreciate the thoughtful post.

    Before I delve into my response, I will make a general point here - one that I make frequently around this time of year.

    Probably the most worthless stat that is peddled in the college football world is returning tackles and other such meaningless returning stats.  And when I say that, I exclude returning starters which I believe is a very valid stat through probably the first 3 weeks of the season.  The implication of these stats are that if this year's starter had played the previous season, he would not have made any of the tackles that his predecessor made, or at least not as many.  That is not only a ridiculous assertion, it is pure conjecture.

    I agree with your basic premise that in order for Auburn to remain competitive in this game, their offense needs to dominate time-of-possession (TOP) thereby keeping Watson on the sidelines.  This is something that I have preached about on nearly an annual basis when Clemson and South Carolina meet in the Battle of the Palmetto State.

    I challenge anyone to look up the game stats during South Carolina's 5-game winning streak over Clemson.  I'm challenging you to do it, because I'm too lazy to do so.  Nevertheless, during Spurrier's 5-game winning streak over Dabo, look at one stat, and one stat only: TOP.  Spurrier's game plan versus Clemson was super simple; play ugly SEC grind-it-out-in-the-trenches, ball control offense, and keep Clemson’s high-flying offense on the sideline.  What you will find is that in all five of those games, South Carolina utterly dominated the TOP by an average of something like 38 to 22.  Alabama did the same thing to Clemson in the 2008 season opener (just as I predicted they would).

    Clemson now has a 2-game winning streak in the South Carolina series, and won the TOP battle in both of those games.  And the reason they did so because Dabo recognized that for his team to reach the next level, he would need to be SEC good in the trenches, and recruited accordingly.

    It should be noted that Alabama tried to play ball control and assert their dominance in the trenches against Clemson in the national title game, and failed miserably.  In fact, I would argue Clemson’s defensive front 7 won the battle at the point of attack.

    So that brings us full-circle back to the Clemson/Auburn matchup.  If you believe Auburn can successfully execute the Steve Spurrier ball-control game plan against Clemson, which is their only chance to remain competitive, then you should probably take the points.  I, however, think there is virtually zero shot that will happen.

    For starters, playing a slow, ball control brand of football is completely antithetical to the Gus Malzahn offensive philosophy.  Malzahn wants his offense to run fast . . . very fast.  At this point, because Auburn's other QB prospects are so inept; it appears that pro-style QB Sean White will win the job by default.  Why Malzahn even recruited a pro-style QB, and why a pro-style QB would commit to Malzahn is bizarre to say the least, but here we are.  We know from last season that White cannot execute the offense Malzahn wants to run.  Basically, Auburn’s offense has zero leadership, has zero experience at running back, and virtually no experience on the outside – not that last season’s wide outs were anything to brag about.  Auburn’s offense is basically a rudderless ship at sea, and it’s taking on water.

    I have submitted on this forum that Auburn's offense is a complete basket case that is wholly incapable of taking advantage of any shortcomings Clemson's defense may have, and that was before yesterday's scrimmage.  In speaking to two observers who were there, after watching how dismal and dysfunctional Auburn's offense was, they are now inclined to agree with my assessment that the offense is bad, and that it will be a very long season for Auburn backers.

    I don't have the time or space to address Clemson's offense right now except to say it will be even better than it was last season.

    The bottom line is that if you're betting on the ability of Auburn's offense to adopt the Spurrier strategy to shorten the game by dominating TOP, or taking advantage of any of Clemson’s defensive vulnerabilities, I think it’s a very ill-conceived bet.  There is pretty much no shot that will happen.

    Once again, lay the points!

     

     
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    Thanks for that info Jimmydafreak. I am putting all my money on Auburn!  Just kidding. Looks like the line is -7, cause it at against a SEC team and at Auburn. It used to be that going to play a night game at Auburn would not be a very pleasant experience for the opposing team.  Auburn might play multiple qurterbacks in the game. Spurrier could pull that off, but I don't think it's going to work that well for Auburn...
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    Thanks for that info Jimmydafreak. I am putting all my money on Auburn!  Just kidding. Looks like the line is -7, cause it at against a SEC team and at Auburn. It used to be that going to play a night game at Auburn would not be a very pleasant experience for the opposing team.  Auburn might play multiple qurterbacks in the game. Spurrier could pull that off, but I don't think it's going to work that well for Auburn...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinnE:

    Thanks for that info Jimmydafreak. I am putting all my money on Auburn!  Just kidding. Looks like the line is -7, cause it at against a SEC team and at Auburn. It used to be that going to play a night game at Auburn would not be a very pleasant experience for the opposing team.  Auburn might play multiple qurterbacks in the game. Spurrier could pull that off, but I don't think it's going to work that well for Auburn...

    I have surmised why I think the line is short, and I completely agree with your assessment.  This is an ACC team heading into a hostile SEC venue at night, and Clemson has a history of struggling with physical SEC teams.  See my comments about the Clemson/South Carolina rivalry in post #32.

    I think it is almost a certainty that we will see Malzahn trot multiple QBs out there versus Clemson.  Why?  Because he doesn't have a QB that can execute his offense, so he will develop sub-packages for each.

    And I also think it will be to no avail.

     

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    Thanks for that info Jimmydafreak. I am putting all my money on Auburn!  Just kidding. Looks like the line is -7, cause it at against a SEC team and at Auburn. It used to be that going to play a night game at Auburn would not be a very pleasant experience for the opposing team.  Auburn might play multiple qurterbacks in the game. Spurrier could pull that off, but I don't think it's going to work that well for Auburn...

    I have surmised why I think the line is short, and I completely agree with your assessment.  This is an ACC team heading into a hostile SEC venue at night, and Clemson has a history of struggling with physical SEC teams.  See my comments about the Clemson/South Carolina rivalry in post #32.

    I think it is almost a certainty that we will see Malzahn trot multiple QBs out there versus Clemson.  Why?  Because he doesn't have a QB that can execute his offense, so he will develop sub-packages for each.

    And I also think it will be to no avail.

     

     
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    JImmy  Gl this season and I'm really looking forward to your posts.  Thanks for posting bro win or lose
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrixandsrv:

    Clemson at auburn arguably the biggest game at jordan hare since the 2013 iron bowl. The crowd will be out of control after drinking all day. I think it's an 8 or 9 pm local time kickoff so they'll be drunk off their azzes. Just another something to think about when laying the points.

    I still lean Auburn +7.5 or no play at all. I might tease it to 14.5 and throw it on a two reamer

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    Clemson at auburn arguably the biggest game at jordan hare since the 2013 iron bowl. The crowd will be out of control after drinking all day. I think it's an 8 or 9 pm local time kickoff so they'll be drunk off their azzes. Just another something to think about when laying the points.

    I still lean Auburn +7.5 or no play at all. I might tease it to 14.5 and throw it on a two reamer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:


    Crowd Will Be Rockin Guy! Welcome! Megalocks would be so happy....

    Indeed!

     

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    Crowd Will Be Rockin Guy! Welcome! Megalocks would be so happy....

    Indeed!

     

     
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    Jimmy that breakdown is 100% spot on. One note on the drinking all day night game thing Hendrix. I have noticed that night games start out incredibly loud when they are 8:00 pm local starts then unless the game is super tight, they tend to trail off. We know how slow most college games are its 10:00 at kickoff of halftime. I think home crowds are usually better during day games in nice weather. I think the night crowd loud factor is actually overrated. My observation is mostly from watching on Tv, but it also from attending Texas home games , and a few other Big 12 night games and various Florida and California schools. I can not say I have been to SEC night home games. 
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    Jimmy that breakdown is 100% spot on. One note on the drinking all day night game thing Hendrix. I have noticed that night games start out incredibly loud when they are 8:00 pm local starts then unless the game is super tight, they tend to trail off. We know how slow most college games are its 10:00 at kickoff of halftime. I think home crowds are usually better during day games in nice weather. I think the night crowd loud factor is actually overrated. My observation is mostly from watching on Tv, but it also from attending Texas home games , and a few other Big 12 night games and various Florida and California schools. I can not say I have been to SEC night home games. 
     
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    Im looking to tease down Bama and Clemson and throw them both into ML Pars for some big money week one myself 


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    Im looking to tease down Bama and Clemson and throw them both into ML Pars for some big money week one myself 


     
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     A bit nervous on the tease down on Alabama.
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    how many units do you usually play?
    10 units on clemson -7?
    5 units on usc 1st half under?, just seeing your strategy thanks


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    how many units do you usually play?
    10 units on clemson -7?
    5 units on usc 1st half under?, just seeing your strategy thanks


     
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    Also how many plays a weekend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

     I think USC's front 7 will eventually wear down at some point in the 2nd half.  Therefore, I think we'll see Alabama pull away in the 2nd half.

    Bama has so much D depth and they will rotate constantly to keep them fresh. They should dominate fourth quarter as usual....

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     I think USC's front 7 will eventually wear down at some point in the 2nd half.  Therefore, I think we'll see Alabama pull away in the 2nd half.

    Bama has so much D depth and they will rotate constantly to keep them fresh. They should dominate fourth quarter as usual....

     
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    Thanks Jimmy. I feel more confident on a pick when you and VegasJason are on it. I love these two picks of theirs


    Clemson -7
    Notre Dame Texas under 60.5


    Win or lose i will still be grateful for your insights. But i think we have a plus 60% chance on these two bets and long term that is all you can ask for.  


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    Thanks Jimmy. I feel more confident on a pick when you and VegasJason are on it. I love these two picks of theirs


    Clemson -7
    Notre Dame Texas under 60.5


    Win or lose i will still be grateful for your insights. But i think we have a plus 60% chance on these two bets and long term that is all you can ask for.  


     
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    I now agree with you Jimmy.    This is not the Clemson of old.    And I think something that has not been said is the strategy at DC...Venable v. Steele, and I like the former in this matchup.   Ask BGB at Oklahoma if he has the assessment of his former assistant...
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    I now agree with you Jimmy.    This is not the Clemson of old.    And I think something that has not been said is the strategy at DC...Venable v. Steele, and I like the former in this matchup.   Ask BGB at Oklahoma if he has the assessment of his former assistant...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Im looking to tease down Bama and Clemson and throw them both into ML Pars for some big money week one myself 


    I firmly believe both will win, so I like the play.

     

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    Im looking to tease down Bama and Clemson and throw them both into ML Pars for some big money week one myself 


    I firmly believe both will win, so I like the play.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:



    Crowd Will Be Rockin Guy! Welcome! Megalocks would be so happy....

    Indeed!


    Made my day..haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:



    Crowd Will Be Rockin Guy! Welcome! Megalocks would be so happy....

    Indeed!


    Made my day..haha!
     
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    I will add, as someone who watched every second of the SC streak against Clemson, Conner Shaw ability to scramble on third and long had a great deal to do with the TOP. And that was mostly against Kevin Steele as DC who cannot stop a running threat at QB (think back to Cam Newton or the WVU blowout). Venables D is better at stopping that regardless of players. Last years D was shallow and worn down after an early bye week. Won't be an issue early this season
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    I will add, as someone who watched every second of the SC streak against Clemson, Conner Shaw ability to scramble on third and long had a great deal to do with the TOP. And that was mostly against Kevin Steele as DC who cannot stop a running threat at QB (think back to Cam Newton or the WVU blowout). Venables D is better at stopping that regardless of players. Last years D was shallow and worn down after an early bye week. Won't be an issue early this season
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken11:

    big fan of yours since wagerline, watson and gallman will score a bunch. Defensively they took a big hit over the offseason losing dodd, lawson, alexander and among 6 others players. i see venables disposal is not the same. bol this year jimmy 

    I understand Clemson's losses on the defensive side of the ball, but that was a very deep defensive unit last season.

    Again, I think the bigger issue is that I do not think Auburn's offense will be in good position to take advantage of any defensive shortcomings Clemson may have.

    Auburn has a lot of issues on the offensive side of the ball, but the lack of a QB is their biggest obstacle.  The only competent QB Auburn has right now is Sean White, and he is a pro-style QB who we already know cannot run the offense Malzahn wants to run.

    The only QB that has any hope of running the Malzahn offense is a very raw John Franklin who is no where near ready for a prime time against the #2 team in the nation.

    I think both QBs will play, but Malzahn is hoping that Franklin will grown into the job at some point this season.  It's really his only hope to salvage what looks to be a rough season for Auburn.

     

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    big fan of yours since wagerline, watson and gallman will score a bunch. Defensively they took a big hit over the offseason losing dodd, lawson, alexander and among 6 others players. i see venables disposal is not the same. bol this year jimmy 

    I understand Clemson's losses on the defensive side of the ball, but that was a very deep defensive unit last season.

    Again, I think the bigger issue is that I do not think Auburn's offense will be in good position to take advantage of any defensive shortcomings Clemson may have.

    Auburn has a lot of issues on the offensive side of the ball, but the lack of a QB is their biggest obstacle.  The only competent QB Auburn has right now is Sean White, and he is a pro-style QB who we already know cannot run the offense Malzahn wants to run.

    The only QB that has any hope of running the Malzahn offense is a very raw John Franklin who is no where near ready for a prime time against the #2 team in the nation.

    I think both QBs will play, but Malzahn is hoping that Franklin will grown into the job at some point this season.  It's really his only hope to salvage what looks to be a rough season for Auburn.

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    JImmy  Gl this season and I'm really looking forward to your posts.  Thanks for posting bro win or lose

     

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