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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

tide... i understand your issue... but if you reword that in a more objective fashion it says this...

Okie St (the #2 team in the BCS system... a system which FACTORS IN bad losses)... deserves a shot over Alabama, who has already lost to LSU... Ok st is number 3? And they will stay that way unless they beat Oklahoma by at least DD's. Even if they do get the win, I still say they don't deserve a shot, simply because they aren't on the same level as Bama, or LSU. 

as much as losing to Iowa St was a bad loss... that shit happens in CFB... Oklahoma St has played a tougher schedule than Alabama, in my opinion... Bama really doesn't have a lot of high quality wins to hang their hat on... in terms of the entire resume (if OSU beats OU)... you can't TRULY sit there and act like it is ABSURD to have OSU play LSU in the NC game... That shit doesn't happen to good teams... And to say they have played a tougher schedule is a FUCKING JOKE! Alabama plays in the SEC, and Ok st plays in the BIG 12, which we know is a weaker conference. Ok st should have lost to Texas AM which is an even bigger joke, and just look at the huge numbers of points scored on their defense, by teams that are complete jokes. The most points scored on Bama this entire season was 21, and the most points scored on their defense was 14. OMG, even Tulsa scored 33 on them, and this is the team that deserves to be on the field with Alabama, and LSU? Wow...

it's one thing for the blind SEC clowns to say it's ridiculous, but i know you are sharp enough to see the logic here...

personally, i see both sides of it... Bama will probably give LSU a better game, but OSU has a legit argument in thinking they deserve their chance at LSU... and if you think about it... LSU has beaten Bama and Oregon, almost certainly the 2nd and 3rd best team in CFB... let them make it a clean sweep against the next best opponent out there... and i think it is fair to say, that team is OSU, based on what they did this year...


 
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Quote Originally Posted by dytide:




Tappy, at some point you have to face the reality that LSU won that game

At what point did I make anyone think that I thought they didn't? How old are you?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


We had our chance, we lost, and we are about to get another chance... Deal with it! 

Hope you understand how pathetic that sounds.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by dytide:




Tappy, at some point you have to face the reality that LSU won that game

Regardless of the fact that we lost, we are STILL the second best team in the nation. The National Championship is about the two best teams playing each other. If you were a real fan you would want your team to have a shot at winning the National Championship, that is why I think you have no business claiming that you are a Bama fan. I don't know a single person in all my friends, and family who aren't biting their nails waiting to see if we are gonna get a shot at this. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Hope you understand how pathetic that sounds.


Because I have backed up everything I have said with a legitimate claim as to why I think we should have a rematch, I don't think it is pathetic at all. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


If you agree you are NO Bama fan, or a half ass one that doesn't deserve to be one. 

So if a Bama fan does not think that they deserve a rematch than that means that they do not like Bama? 

Pretty closed minded reasoning there buddy.

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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


Because I have backed up everything I have said with a legitimate claim as to why I think we should have a rematch, I don't think it is pathetic at all. 

LSU has already beat Bama. LSU has not beaten OK St.

There is no other claim. Let the teams do the talking. Bama got shut the fuck up @ home.

Next.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

  And to say they have played a tougher schedule is a FUCKING JOKE! Alabama plays in the SEC, and Ok st plays in the BIG 12, which we know is a weaker conference.



no... you pretty much just established that you are the joke...


very simple-minded to say that just because Bama plays in the SEC they automatically have a tougher schedule... it actually comes down to the teams on the schedule... not the conference affiliation...

and according to the teams on their schedule...

OK St:  S.O.S. = 8
Alabama:  S.O.S. = 23

incidentally... since part of your argument is to bash Oklahoma...

OU:  S.O.S. = 10


so both Oklahoma St and Alabama have a tougher S.O.S. than Alabama, even BEFORE this game, which will serve to improve both of their S.O.S.


why should anybody ever listen to somebody who doesn't even make an attempt to look at something with objectivity?  your opinion cannot possibly have any value, because it is skewed with your blind loyalty, something that has NO PLACE in sports handicapping...

those S.O.S. numbers come straight from Sagarin's ratings... and you can bash him all you want... there is a reason his ratings are considered the Gold Standard in power ratings...

it's all math... and the math says... YOU are the joke, with your arguments that are built out of nothing but SEC fervor...
 
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Posted: #34
Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




so both Oklahoma St and Oklahoma have a tougher S.O.S. than Alabama, even BEFORE this game, which will serve to improve both of their S.O.S.




corrected...
 
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Team A: 3 wins vs D1 schools with a winning record and 6 wins vs D1 schools with a losing record.
Team B: 7 wins vs D1 schools with a winning record and 3 wins vs D1 schools with a losing record.

Team B looks more qualified but team A has ESPN and every other honk pushing for them to get a rematch.
 
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An argument can and will be made for Oklahoma State should they manhandle Oklahoma.  Let me start by saying that I'm no OSU fan and I think LSU would crush them in New Orleans. But, they will have better quality wins than Alabama.  The Big 12 and the SEC had similar non conference records, 26-3 & 42-6 respectively. The only matchup between the two conferences was a highly competitive victory by Arkansas over Texas A&M.  There will be a certain amount of anti-rematch sentiment.  Their ONLY negative, and it's a big one, is the Iowa State loss. Isn't this the only week where the coaches' votes are made public?  Never say never. Stranger things have happened.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

LSU has already beat Bama. LSU has not beaten OK St.

There is no other claim. Let the teams do the talking. Bama got shut the fuck up @ home.

Next.


That is just one of many reasons that people are stating in a claim against the reasoning for Bama to play in this game. It is all whining in my opinion. I am standing firm to the only argument that matters to me, which is that the two best teams deserve to play each other, and those two are OBVIOUSLY Bama and LSU. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


So if a Bama fan does not think that they deserve a rematch than that means that they do not like Bama? 

Pretty closed minded reasoning there buddy.

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Sure, anyone can like Bama... But to call yourself a "fan" comes with a few requirements, IMO! 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




corrected...

But Ice don't you know that Bama is in the SEC? That is apparently all that needs to be said. 

Funny how the argument for Bama only includes their close loss to LSU and Ok St loss to a bad Iowa St team. But the fact that Ok St has overall beaten stronger teams than Bama is never mentioned. 

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oh yea... couple more points on the S.O.S. matter... since you think it just automatically goes to Alabama by default...


that horrible loss by Oklahoma St... came against a team that is in the top 30, and has the #3 most difficult S.O.S. in CFB (Iowa St)

also, Oklahoma went 7-1 against top 30 teams this year... 7 wins against teams in the top 30... Oklahoma St had 6 wins against the top 30 (6-1)... if OSU wins, that will mean they are 7-1 against the top 30 this year, which would be the BEST IN CFB!!!

what's Alabama's record against top 30 teams this year?  a whopping 2-1... 2 fucking wins against top 30 teams, and you guys think this team has earned the right for a rematch in a game they already lost?


NO!



i have decided that this is no longer even debatable!  if Okie St beats OU, they have to be in the title game... there is not a single argument (NOT ONE) that can be made in favor of Alabama... truly NOT ONE!
 
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this thread is over...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


That is just one of many reasons that people are stating in a claim against the reasoning for Bama to play in this game. It is all whining in my opinion. I am standing firm to the only argument that matters to me, which is that the two best teams deserve to play each other, and those two are OBVIOUSLY Bama and LSU. 

They already played. Bama lost. They dont deserve another chance on a neutral field when they could win at home. At least Ok St can throw and kick the ball for gods sake.

The end.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




no... you pretty much just established that you are the joke... - Thank you for your useless contribution, and failed opinion...


very simple-minded to say that just because Bama plays in the SEC they automatically have a tougher schedule... it actually comes down to the teams on the schedule... not the conference affiliation... - Actually, it pretty much does... You play in the SEC, and everyone knows you play with the best. 

and according to the teams on their schedule...

OK St:  S.O.S. = 8
Alabama:  S.O.S. = 23 - This really makes me laugh! To think that Ok st has played a tougher schedule, is truly funny, 



incidentally... since part of your argument is to bash Oklahoma...

OU:  S.O.S. = 10


so both Oklahoma St and Alabama have a tougher S.O.S. than Alabama, even BEFORE this game, which will serve to improve both of their S.O.S. - SEC, sorry...To be the best you gotta compete with the best, and that is what Bama and LSU have done. Ok st is a fucking joke of a team. 


why should anybody ever listen to somebody who doesn't even make an attempt to look at something with objectivity?  your opinion cannot possibly have any value, because it is skewed with your blind loyalty, something that has NO PLACE in sports handicapping... - This comes from someone who watches these teams play week in and week out. All of them, not just the SEC, and there is an OBVIOUS difference. 

those S.O.S. numbers come straight from Sagarin's ratings... and you can bash him all you want... there is a reason his ratings are considered the Gold Standard in power ratings... - I really don't give a shit... Ok st is not even close to being the team Bama is. 

it's all math... and the math says... YOU are the joke, with your arguments that are built out of nothing but SEC fervor...

Your opinion, which I do not give two fucks about... 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

oh yea... couple more points on the S.O.S. matter... since you think it just automatically goes to Alabama by default...


that horrible loss by Oklahoma St... came against a team that is in the top 30, and has the #3 most difficult S.O.S. in CFB (Iowa St)

also, Oklahoma went 7-1 against top 30 teams this year... 7 wins against teams in the top 30... Oklahoma St had 6 wins against the top 30 (6-1)... if OSU wins, that will mean they are 7-1 against the top 30 this year, which would be the BEST IN CFB!!!

what's Alabama's record against top 30 teams this year?  a whopping 2-1... 2 fucking wins against top 30 teams, and you guys think this team has earned the right for a rematch in a game they already lost?


NO!



i have decided that this is no longer even debatable!  if Okie St beats OU, they have to be in the title game... there is not a single argument (NOT ONE) that can be made in favor of Alabama... truly NOT ONE!

I do not have the energy to confirm these numbers but I have no reason to think they are wrong.  That being said if this is true than this speaks volumes.

But once again ICE -- Ok St is not in the SEC.  Have you forgotten this point?

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We lost at home.We get a bye!

And a chance to play the higher seeded team at a neutral site.For all the marbles.

How fn ridiculous is that?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


But Ice don't you know that Bama is in the SEC? That is apparently all that needs to be said. 

Funny how the argument for Bama only includes their close loss to LSU and Ok St loss to a bad Iowa St team. But the fact that Ok St has overall beaten stronger teams than Bama is never mentioned. 

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I PROMISE YOU! If you put the teams Bama has played from top to bottom, with the teams Ok st has played from top to bottom, you would have a better understanding of this. Ok st almost lost to Texas AM, Tulsa put up 33 points on them, and they lost to IOWA STATE. No team has scored more than 21 points on Bama and no offense has scored more than 14, and you think Oklahoma state has any business in this discussion? WOW
 
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Posted: #47
Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


Your opinion, which I do not give two fucks about... 



no!  you are wrong... this is not opinion... this is fact!  this is pure numbers, man!  i don't have an OPINION on this... I LOOK AT THE FACTS!!!!




FACTS: 
  • Big 12 has 2 teams in the top 10, SEC has 3 teams in the top 10
  • Big 12 has 7 teams in the top 20, SEC has 4 teams in the top 20
  • Big 12 has 8 teams in the top 30, SEC has 4 teams in the top 30


Bama gets the LUXURY of playing in the SEC this year... the SEC is so fucking overrated it is absurd!
 
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THE BCS - Where every game counts

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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

They already played. Bama lost. They dont deserve another chance on a neutral field when they could win at home. At least Ok St can throw and kick the ball for gods sake.

The end.


That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it... And you are judging Bama on a game where they were evenly matched with another team, and went into a chess match of a battle with them. Bama has dominated every other team they have played, and Ok st would fall into that same category... 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


I PROMISE YOU! If you put the teams Bama has played from top to bottom, with the teams Ok st has played from top to bottom, you would have a better understanding of this. Ok st almost lost to Texas AM, Tulsa put up 33 points on them, and they lost to IOWA STATE. No team has scored more than 21 points on Bama and no offense has scored more than 14, and you think Oklahoma state has any business in this discussion? WOW

You can promise all you want.  I choose to go on strength of schedule as opposed to opinion.

See that is the difficult thing about college football.  Since obviously all of the teams do not play eachother than the fact is that we can never really know who is better.  Of course we can all develop our opinions based on watching games but once again they remain opinions.

Numbers like amount of conference teams ranked and strength of schedule, while still not perfect, do provide some insight into issues like level of competition and quality of wins etc...

Now we can continue to argue that our team is the best thing since sliced bread all we want but that does not change the fact that outside of a bad loss to Iowa St, Ok St has a better resume this year than Bama.

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