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    Death Penalty for Alabama

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    Quantum_Leap
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:04 AM ET #1

    Sports agents are all over the Alabama campus fronting probably the entire football team envelopes of cash for living expenses, and besides the lack of institutional control, former Bama players are used as runners for the cash. Folks. USC FB was destroyed for this decade because of the Reggie Bush agent. Unfair and unjust. Alabama will have to relinquish the 2011 and 2012 titles, if the NCAA applies the same justice to Alabama.
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    Sports agents are all over the Alabama campus fronting probably the entire football team envelopes of cash for living expenses, and besides the lack of institutional control, former Bama players are used as runners for the cash. Folks. USC FB was destroyed for this decade because of the Reggie Bush agent. Unfair and unjust. Alabama will have to relinquish the 2011 and 2012 titles, if the NCAA applies the same justice to Alabama.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:08 AM ET #2

    Is there a story brewing on this??

    Wouldn't be surprised
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    Is there a story brewing on this??

    Wouldn't be surprised
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:11 AM ET #3

    Let it go bro, too much hate isn't healthy
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:12 AM ET #4

    I could care less so long as they cover this weekend, if I decide to bet on them.
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:14 AM ET #5

    Not even close to reality. Nothing will come of this Fluker deal. Don't let your hate for Bama get in the way of logical thought. You come off like a psycho.
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    Not even close to reality. Nothing will come of this Fluker deal. Don't let your hate for Bama get in the way of logical thought. You come off like a psycho.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:16 AM ET #6

    Every team who's competitive in Division I football does this, it's a fact. Just because people would prefer to play for an elite program, don't blame Bama.mic you think there isn't cash on the table for playersfrommevery big program, then you're simply ignorant.
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    Every team who's competitive in Division I football does this, it's a fact. Just because people would prefer to play for an elite program, don't blame Bama.mic you think there isn't cash on the table for playersfrommevery big program, then you're simply ignorant.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:20 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by ubet74:

    Is there a story brewing on this??

    Wouldn't be surprised



    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html





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    Quote Originally Posted by ubet74:

    Is there a story brewing on this??

    Wouldn't be surprised



    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html





     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 11:57 AM ET #8

    If you're not cheating you're not trying.  
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:10 PM ET #9

    aint going to happen on the death penalty. NCAA would suffer without them. Money talks. The refs turned their eyes years ago when it came to officiating Alabama.
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    aint going to happen on the death penalty. NCAA would suffer without them. Money talks. The refs turned their eyes years ago when it came to officiating Alabama.
     
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    Let these kids get paid, all the other college kids don't have to turn down gifts, let these kids negotiate contracts with schools to go play football and stop with this crap that they are there to get an education, if they need to turn college football into its own professional league, athletic integrity is needed is dumb anyways cause clearly it hasn't been in the game for over 30 plus years
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    Let these kids get paid, all the other college kids don't have to turn down gifts, let these kids negotiate contracts with schools to go play football and stop with this crap that they are there to get an education, if they need to turn college football into its own professional league, athletic integrity is needed is dumb anyways cause clearly it hasn't been in the game for over 30 plus years
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:13 PM ET #11

    I see meth has made it to New York. 
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:17 PM ET #12

    Sports agents are everywhere that future NFL players are. They front players money as a favor since in a yearor so they will receive lucrative commissions from the players they negotiate for. When the NCAA ruled against USC in the Reggie Bush case, they made it clear that they would hold any univwrsity accountable for policing sports agents. Alabama has a former player now in the NFL who says it is common at Alabama to receive money as needed from agents, and the university is actually helping this process. So it is not hate on my part. I a m asking for the ncaa to apply hr Reggie Bush precedent.
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    Sports agents are everywhere that future NFL players are. They front players money as a favor since in a yearor so they will receive lucrative commissions from the players they negotiate for. When the NCAA ruled against USC in the Reggie Bush case, they made it clear that they would hold any univwrsity accountable for policing sports agents. Alabama has a former player now in the NFL who says it is common at Alabama to receive money as needed from agents, and the university is actually helping this process. So it is not hate on my part. I a m asking for the ncaa to apply hr Reggie Bush precedent.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:18 PM ET #13

    Not a chance 
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    Not a chance 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:45 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus10:

    Every team who's competitive in Division I football does this, it's a fact. Just because people would prefer to play for an elite program, don't blame Bama.mic you think there isn't cash on the table for playersfrommevery big program, then you're simply ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus10:

    Every team who's competitive in Division I football does this, it's a fact. Just because people would prefer to play for an elite program, don't blame Bama.mic you think there isn't cash on the table for playersfrommevery big program, then you're simply ignorant.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:49 PM ET #15

    Guess Alabama needs that to be successful. Sorry. My bad. Life's unfair.Roll Tids.
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    Guess Alabama needs that to be successful. Sorry. My bad. Life's unfair.Roll Tids.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:52 PM ET #16

    another person hating on bama becuz of his jealousy
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    another person hating on bama becuz of his jealousy
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:55 PM ET #17

    NCAA: "Hey, USC. We made a mistake with the Reggie Bush sports agent thingie. We were just targeting you. Now you are wallowing in the muck and mire of mediocrity with Lane Kiffi.. Life's unfair. What else can we say? SEC Rules!(ooops)
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    NCAA: "Hey, USC. We made a mistake with the Reggie Bush sports agent thingie. We were just targeting you. Now you are wallowing in the muck and mire of mediocrity with Lane Kiffi.. Life's unfair. What else can we say? SEC Rules!(ooops)
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 12:56 PM ET #18

    So does that mean bama wins this weekend or ??????
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    So does that mean bama wins this weekend or ??????
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 1:23 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    Sports agents are everywhere that future NFL players are. They front players money as a favor since in a yearor so they will receive lucrative commissions from the players they negotiate for. When the NCAA ruled against USC in the Reggie Bush case, they made it clear that they would hold any univwrsity accountable for policing sports agents. Alabama has a former player now in the NFL who says it is common at Alabama to receive money as needed from agents, and the university is actually helping this process. So it is not hate on my part. I a m asking for the ncaa to apply hr Reggie Bush precedent.

     

    Link to this claim? No part of the new story has anything to do with Alabama helping their players receive agent money.  A decent player, Luther Davis, didn't make it in the NFL.  He wanted to get into the business and promised agents he could deliver SEC talent from various schools- Bama, Tennessee, Miss St, etc.  He allegedly gave them a few hundred here, a plane ticket there, or bedroom furniture.  None of the players signed with his agents and his new career probably looked bleak.  Also, it's a felony in Alabama to do what he attempted to do and would face jail time if pursued.  Luther Davis was disassociated from the University and was turned in to the NCAA by Alabama in December when they found out he was up to no good.  He then takes his story to Yahoo for whatever reason (money to pay back agents??  I don't know.  The co-author of the story said on a radio interview yesterday that none of the information would be turned over to the NCAA and that they would have to gather all of the info themselves.  Their point wasn't to get various schools in trouble but to show what's wrong with the NCAA right now.  Not to mention all of the players but one (Tennessee) are no longer in school.  Bottom line- it's a black eye for all involved but nothing will come from it.  The University of Alabama was not involved and work very hard to keep their players out of this situation.  The part involving Fluker appears to be focused mainly around his mother.  Fluker and his family lived in a car after Katrina and could barely survive.  If he did do something shady to help his Mom have a roof over her head, who can blame him?  Also, he and Luther Davis were former teammates and could say it was a loan from a friend.  The NCAA needs to really look at it's current rules and processes. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    Sports agents are everywhere that future NFL players are. They front players money as a favor since in a yearor so they will receive lucrative commissions from the players they negotiate for. When the NCAA ruled against USC in the Reggie Bush case, they made it clear that they would hold any univwrsity accountable for policing sports agents. Alabama has a former player now in the NFL who says it is common at Alabama to receive money as needed from agents, and the university is actually helping this process. So it is not hate on my part. I a m asking for the ncaa to apply hr Reggie Bush precedent.

     

    Link to this claim? No part of the new story has anything to do with Alabama helping their players receive agent money.  A decent player, Luther Davis, didn't make it in the NFL.  He wanted to get into the business and promised agents he could deliver SEC talent from various schools- Bama, Tennessee, Miss St, etc.  He allegedly gave them a few hundred here, a plane ticket there, or bedroom furniture.  None of the players signed with his agents and his new career probably looked bleak.  Also, it's a felony in Alabama to do what he attempted to do and would face jail time if pursued.  Luther Davis was disassociated from the University and was turned in to the NCAA by Alabama in December when they found out he was up to no good.  He then takes his story to Yahoo for whatever reason (money to pay back agents??  I don't know.  The co-author of the story said on a radio interview yesterday that none of the information would be turned over to the NCAA and that they would have to gather all of the info themselves.  Their point wasn't to get various schools in trouble but to show what's wrong with the NCAA right now.  Not to mention all of the players but one (Tennessee) are no longer in school.  Bottom line- it's a black eye for all involved but nothing will come from it.  The University of Alabama was not involved and work very hard to keep their players out of this situation.  The part involving Fluker appears to be focused mainly around his mother.  Fluker and his family lived in a car after Katrina and could barely survive.  If he did do something shady to help his Mom have a roof over her head, who can blame him?  Also, he and Luther Davis were former teammates and could say it was a loan from a friend.  The NCAA needs to really look at it's current rules and processes. 

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 1:51 PM ET #20

    At this point, the problem is so out of hand the only real solution is death to college football... this garbage is so out of control they can't possibly get a handle on it, and every new major program that gets exposed just confirms further that it is happening EVERYWHERE in CFB, and that the problem can't be fixed...
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    At this point, the problem is so out of hand the only real solution is death to college football... this garbage is so out of control they can't possibly get a handle on it, and every new major program that gets exposed just confirms further that it is happening EVERYWHERE in CFB, and that the problem can't be fixed...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 2:15 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by GridironJunkie:

    Not even close to reality. Nothing will come of this Fluker deal. Don't let your hate for Bama get in the way of logical thought. You come off like a psycho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GridironJunkie:

    Not even close to reality. Nothing will come of this Fluker deal. Don't let your hate for Bama get in the way of logical thought. You come off like a psycho.
        You're a Homer as well
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 2:30 PM ET #22

    The NCAA would never institute the death penalty again.  Many involved in the SMU case of the 80's have come out and publicly stated it was a mistake to take the program away completely.  I don't think you will ever see that again, no matter how egregious the violation.  I think you are more likely to see the NCAA begin to relax some of their restrictions as it pertains to how student athletes conduct business off the field.  I can see some kind of agreement as seen with Olympic athletes, where endorsements are allowed.  This would create more transparency and perhaps remove some of the shady characters lurking around the programs.  I am not advocating paying players, they are already paid with an education, room and board.  I am saying if a company like Gatorade wants to endorse a student athlete, they should be allowed to contract them.  It would be up to University Presidents, Athletic Directors and Head Coaches to determine to what extent they want players distracted by such things.  In the end you would have a better system.
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    The NCAA would never institute the death penalty again.  Many involved in the SMU case of the 80's have come out and publicly stated it was a mistake to take the program away completely.  I don't think you will ever see that again, no matter how egregious the violation.  I think you are more likely to see the NCAA begin to relax some of their restrictions as it pertains to how student athletes conduct business off the field.  I can see some kind of agreement as seen with Olympic athletes, where endorsements are allowed.  This would create more transparency and perhaps remove some of the shady characters lurking around the programs.  I am not advocating paying players, they are already paid with an education, room and board.  I am saying if a company like Gatorade wants to endorse a student athlete, they should be allowed to contract them.  It would be up to University Presidents, Athletic Directors and Head Coaches to determine to what extent they want players distracted by such things.  In the end you would have a better system.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2013 - 2:40 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    Sports agents are all over the Alabama campus fronting probably the entire football team envelopes of cash for living expenses, and besides the lack of institutional control, former Bama players are used as runners for the cash. Folks. USC FB was destroyed for this decade because of the Reggie Bush agent. Unfair and unjust. Alabama will have to relinquish the 2011 and 2012 titles, if the NCAA applies the same justice to Alabama.

    You left out kilos of cocaine and the HO's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    Sports agents are all over the Alabama campus fronting probably the entire football team envelopes of cash for living expenses, and besides the lack of institutional control, former Bama players are used as runners for the cash. Folks. USC FB was destroyed for this decade because of the Reggie Bush agent. Unfair and unjust. Alabama will have to relinquish the 2011 and 2012 titles, if the NCAA applies the same justice to Alabama.

    You left out kilos of cocaine and the HO's

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by p-lane1:

        You're a Homer as well

    Perhaps.  I'm a fan of Bama and follow them closely.  I bet against them some weeks and bet for them some weeks.  I try to use my knowledge of the program to my $$$ advantage.  The statements made regarding a death penalty and the university helping set up payments from agents are asinine.  It's definitely a black eye for the program and disappointing to Bama fans.  I'm moving on to the game and the rest of my football wagers this week.  Good luck to you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-lane1:

        You're a Homer as well

    Perhaps.  I'm a fan of Bama and follow them closely.  I bet against them some weeks and bet for them some weeks.  I try to use my knowledge of the program to my $$$ advantage.  The statements made regarding a death penalty and the university helping set up payments from agents are asinine.  It's definitely a black eye for the program and disappointing to Bama fans.  I'm moving on to the game and the rest of my football wagers this week.  Good luck to you guys.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I could care less so long as they cover this weekend, if I decide to bet on them.

     

    I agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I could care less so long as they cover this weekend, if I decide to bet on them.

     

    I agree 100%

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