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    Cam Newton's last season in NCAA

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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 4:28 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Good stuff Drox. 

    The New York Times involvement worries me the most.  They don't run with stories unless there is something to them.

    That's funny right there!!!  The New York Times ia a pure propoganda rag!!!  They are by far the least credible source of all.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Good stuff Drox. 

    The New York Times involvement worries me the most.  They don't run with stories unless there is something to them.

    That's funny right there!!!  The New York Times ia a pure propoganda rag!!!  They are by far the least credible source of all.

     

     
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    It is just irritating that NCAA makes millions off of these athletes and something like this happened and this kid will be punished, with the possiblity that Cam never knew about this situation.  Same thing with AJ Green, so what if he wants to sell his jersey for some money.  NCAA markets him and makes money off of him.  By no means do i think a player should be bought to come to a school but this NCAA dictator ship needs to end.  It is all about the money so why cant the player get a piece of the pie.
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    It is just irritating that NCAA makes millions off of these athletes and something like this happened and this kid will be punished, with the possiblity that Cam never knew about this situation.  Same thing with AJ Green, so what if he wants to sell his jersey for some money.  NCAA markets him and makes money off of him.  By no means do i think a player should be bought to come to a school but this NCAA dictator ship needs to end.  It is all about the money so why cant the player get a piece of the pie.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 5:14 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:

    Phillip's blog: The Urban Meyer connection
    Phillip Marshall, Senior Editor Huntsville Times
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    ShareIt is becoming increasingly clear that Florida coach Urban Meyer is a central player in the controversy that surrounds Auburn quarterback Cam Newton.


    Phillip Marshall, Senior Editor, AuburnUndercover.comJohn Bond, who was quoted by ESPN.com saying that he was approached by former teammate Kenny Rogers about getting money in exchange for delivering Newton to Mississippi State last December, has told people close to him a startling story.

    Here is gist of it as told by Bond:

    Bond was on a three-way telephone call with Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen and Meyer to discuss the situation. Both Mullen and Bond said that they believed the matter was closed. They had done what they were supposed to do, passed it on to the league office, and nothing else needed to be said.

    But Meyer strongly disagreed, saying it needed to be public and that he was going to call The New York Times. Meyer and Pete Thamel, the reporter who wrote the story for The New York Times, are close friends.

    A source close to Bond told AuburnUndercover.com that Bond talked to ESPN.com reporters only after it became obvious the story was going to break and that he is distressed about the reaction, particularly the attacks on Newton’s character.

    Meyer, Bond has said privately, “is behind the whole thing.”

    Newton spent two seasons at Florida, playing for Meyer and for Mullen, who was then Florida’s offensive coordinator.

    As Newton has become a superstar and the leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy, Meyer has faced questions about letting him get away. Within hours of the ESPN story breaking Thursday, columnists in Florida were writing that it was a good thing Newton left.

    Meyer is expected to deny any involvement, perhaps as early as this afternoon.

    “If he does, he’s telling an outright lie,” the source said.

    So there you have it.

    Meyer’s involvement doesn’t shed any light on what did or didn’t happen, but it certainly is a strange twist to a strange story.

    What’s most telling about where Newton and Auburn stand is the fact that, not only is Newton eligible, but head coach Gene Chizik and athletics director Jay Jacobs are forcefully saying he’s eligible.

    Here’s something people need to know:

    Rich McGlynn, Auburn’s senior associate athletics director for compliance, is a tough guy. He doesn’t play around. He came to Auburn after spending five seasons working at the NCAA. If a player’s eligibility is in question in any way, McGlynn will not let him play.

    Until the SEC or NCAA says something to clear things up, the astonishing attacks on Newton’s character, made without any evidence at all, will certainly continue.

    And, according to what Bond has said, it all started with Newton’s former coach.

    What a sad story.

    You are greatly understating this story Droxside.

    First, despite what Cecil Newton may say, there is both photographic and video evidence as well as many witnesses that prove Rogers accompanied Cecil and Cam on all (or almost all) of his recruiting visits.  It is also alleged that Rogers has already secured an agent for Cam as well.

    Furthermore, it has been confirmed (by the NCAA) that various payments were made from an unknown (unknowned to me at least) charity to Cecil's church.  What the totality of those payments are is unknown (at least by me) at this time.  But if the total of those payments are anywhere close to $200,000, that would be very coincidental and a huge red flag.  The source of that money is said to possibly be a booster in Alabaster.

    I agree with you that the "entire AU administrative apparatus" is not involved, but they don't have to be.  I've never heard of a single incident where that was the case.  In fact everyone in in the AU administrave apparatus could be completely and totally innocent, and it may not matter.  If a rouge booster paid somebody off, as is the allegation here, the end result is the same.

    Auburn claiming Newton is elligible is also completely meaningless.  What else can they say at this point?  The investigation is ongoing so of course he's elligible.  Reggie Bush was elligible too.  This means absolutely nothing.  And saying there is no proof of this or that is also meaningless because a) if the proof were already uncovered, Auburn would already be on probation and Cam's collegiate career would be over, and b) the NCAA doesn't need proof.

    I have no idea which allegations are true and which ones are false, but the allegations are very serious and the investigation is ongoing.  If you are Auburn, there is plenty to worry about.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:

    Phillip's blog: The Urban Meyer connection
    Phillip Marshall, Senior Editor Huntsville Times
    50 minutes ago
    Comments:19Add a comment14
    ShareIt is becoming increasingly clear that Florida coach Urban Meyer is a central player in the controversy that surrounds Auburn quarterback Cam Newton.


    Phillip Marshall, Senior Editor, AuburnUndercover.comJohn Bond, who was quoted by ESPN.com saying that he was approached by former teammate Kenny Rogers about getting money in exchange for delivering Newton to Mississippi State last December, has told people close to him a startling story.

    Here is gist of it as told by Bond:

    Bond was on a three-way telephone call with Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen and Meyer to discuss the situation. Both Mullen and Bond said that they believed the matter was closed. They had done what they were supposed to do, passed it on to the league office, and nothing else needed to be said.

    But Meyer strongly disagreed, saying it needed to be public and that he was going to call The New York Times. Meyer and Pete Thamel, the reporter who wrote the story for The New York Times, are close friends.

    A source close to Bond told AuburnUndercover.com that Bond talked to ESPN.com reporters only after it became obvious the story was going to break and that he is distressed about the reaction, particularly the attacks on Newton’s character.

    Meyer, Bond has said privately, “is behind the whole thing.”

    Newton spent two seasons at Florida, playing for Meyer and for Mullen, who was then Florida’s offensive coordinator.

    As Newton has become a superstar and the leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy, Meyer has faced questions about letting him get away. Within hours of the ESPN story breaking Thursday, columnists in Florida were writing that it was a good thing Newton left.

    Meyer is expected to deny any involvement, perhaps as early as this afternoon.

    “If he does, he’s telling an outright lie,” the source said.

    So there you have it.

    Meyer’s involvement doesn’t shed any light on what did or didn’t happen, but it certainly is a strange twist to a strange story.

    What’s most telling about where Newton and Auburn stand is the fact that, not only is Newton eligible, but head coach Gene Chizik and athletics director Jay Jacobs are forcefully saying he’s eligible.

    Here’s something people need to know:

    Rich McGlynn, Auburn’s senior associate athletics director for compliance, is a tough guy. He doesn’t play around. He came to Auburn after spending five seasons working at the NCAA. If a player’s eligibility is in question in any way, McGlynn will not let him play.

    Until the SEC or NCAA says something to clear things up, the astonishing attacks on Newton’s character, made without any evidence at all, will certainly continue.

    And, according to what Bond has said, it all started with Newton’s former coach.

    What a sad story.

    You are greatly understating this story Droxside.

    First, despite what Cecil Newton may say, there is both photographic and video evidence as well as many witnesses that prove Rogers accompanied Cecil and Cam on all (or almost all) of his recruiting visits.  It is also alleged that Rogers has already secured an agent for Cam as well.

    Furthermore, it has been confirmed (by the NCAA) that various payments were made from an unknown (unknowned to me at least) charity to Cecil's church.  What the totality of those payments are is unknown (at least by me) at this time.  But if the total of those payments are anywhere close to $200,000, that would be very coincidental and a huge red flag.  The source of that money is said to possibly be a booster in Alabaster.

    I agree with you that the "entire AU administrative apparatus" is not involved, but they don't have to be.  I've never heard of a single incident where that was the case.  In fact everyone in in the AU administrave apparatus could be completely and totally innocent, and it may not matter.  If a rouge booster paid somebody off, as is the allegation here, the end result is the same.

    Auburn claiming Newton is elligible is also completely meaningless.  What else can they say at this point?  The investigation is ongoing so of course he's elligible.  Reggie Bush was elligible too.  This means absolutely nothing.  And saying there is no proof of this or that is also meaningless because a) if the proof were already uncovered, Auburn would already be on probation and Cam's collegiate career would be over, and b) the NCAA doesn't need proof.

    I have no idea which allegations are true and which ones are false, but the allegations are very serious and the investigation is ongoing.  If you are Auburn, there is plenty to worry about.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 5:16 PM ET #129

    CORRECTION:  I meant to say by a source close to the NCAA investigation, NOT the NCAA itself.  They do not comment on ongoing investigations.

     

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    CORRECTION:  I meant to say by a source close to the NCAA investigation, NOT the NCAA itself.  They do not comment on ongoing investigations.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:



    At least no one will accuse you of being a homer or a flag waver! 

    As I said previously in this thread.  Cam can play in all the games and Auburn can win 'em all by 50+ points.  He can also win the Heisman...as he deserves.   But..if any of this is true, he and Auburn will be stripped of EVERYTHING and they will face MAJOR sanctions.  That is the story.


    big Deal if Auburn and newton are stripped  of anything u still cant take away what happened on the field it really happpened even if they take it all away after the fact
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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:



    At least no one will accuse you of being a homer or a flag waver! 

    As I said previously in this thread.  Cam can play in all the games and Auburn can win 'em all by 50+ points.  He can also win the Heisman...as he deserves.   But..if any of this is true, he and Auburn will be stripped of EVERYTHING and they will face MAJOR sanctions.  That is the story.


    big Deal if Auburn and newton are stripped  of anything u still cant take away what happened on the field it really happpened even if they take it all away after the fact
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 5:31 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:



    big Deal if Auburn and newton are stripped  of anything u still cant take away what happened on the field it really happpened even if they take it all away after the fact

    I agree.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:



    big Deal if Auburn and newton are stripped  of anything u still cant take away what happened on the field it really happpened even if they take it all away after the fact

    I agree.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 5:46 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Good stuff Drox. 


    I see a lot of writers saying they aren't going to vote for him for Heisman.  I think that's wrong.  Until there is proof, he deserves a vote.  He can be stripped later if this is true..a la Reggie Bush.

       Once again, quit ruining the intellectual banter in this thread regarding his eligibility with worthless Heisman talk. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Good stuff Drox. 


    I see a lot of writers saying they aren't going to vote for him for Heisman.  I think that's wrong.  Until there is proof, he deserves a vote.  He can be stripped later if this is true..a la Reggie Bush.

       Once again, quit ruining the intellectual banter in this thread regarding his eligibility with worthless Heisman talk. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    You are greatly understating this story Droxside.

    First, despite what Cecil Newton may say, there is both photographic and video evidence as well as many witnesses that prove Rogers accompanied Cecil and Cam on all (or almost all) of his recruiting visits.  It is also alleged that Rogers has already secured an agent for Cam as well.

    Furthermore, it has been confirmed (by the NCAA) that various payments were made from an unknown (unknowned to me at least) charity to Cecil's church.  What the totality of those payments are is unknown (at least by me) at this time.  But if the total of those payments are anywhere close to $200,000, that would be very coincidental and a huge red flag.  The source of that money is said to possibly be a booster in Alabaster.

    I agree with you that the "entire AU administrative apparatus" is not involved, but they don't have to be.  I've never heard of a single incident where that was the case.  In fact everyone in in the AU administrave apparatus could be completely and totally innocent, and it may not matter.  If a rouge booster paid somebody off, as is the allegation here, the end result is the same.

    Auburn claiming Newton is elligible is also completely meaningless.  What else can they say at this point?  The investigation is ongoing so of course he's elligible.  Reggie Bush was elligible too.  This means absolutely nothing.  And saying there is no proof of this or that is also meaningless because a) if the proof were already uncovered, Auburn would already be on probation and Cam's collegiate career would be over, and b) the NCAA doesn't need proof.

    I have no idea which allegations are true and which ones are false, but the allegations are very serious and the investigation is ongoing.  If you are Auburn, there is plenty to worry about.

     




    Do you have links that substantiate the things you say here? If so can you provide them. I am not interested in what he or she said but concrete evidence. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    You are greatly understating this story Droxside.

    First, despite what Cecil Newton may say, there is both photographic and video evidence as well as many witnesses that prove Rogers accompanied Cecil and Cam on all (or almost all) of his recruiting visits.  It is also alleged that Rogers has already secured an agent for Cam as well.

    Furthermore, it has been confirmed (by the NCAA) that various payments were made from an unknown (unknowned to me at least) charity to Cecil's church.  What the totality of those payments are is unknown (at least by me) at this time.  But if the total of those payments are anywhere close to $200,000, that would be very coincidental and a huge red flag.  The source of that money is said to possibly be a booster in Alabaster.

    I agree with you that the "entire AU administrative apparatus" is not involved, but they don't have to be.  I've never heard of a single incident where that was the case.  In fact everyone in in the AU administrave apparatus could be completely and totally innocent, and it may not matter.  If a rouge booster paid somebody off, as is the allegation here, the end result is the same.

    Auburn claiming Newton is elligible is also completely meaningless.  What else can they say at this point?  The investigation is ongoing so of course he's elligible.  Reggie Bush was elligible too.  This means absolutely nothing.  And saying there is no proof of this or that is also meaningless because a) if the proof were already uncovered, Auburn would already be on probation and Cam's collegiate career would be over, and b) the NCAA doesn't need proof.

    I have no idea which allegations are true and which ones are false, but the allegations are very serious and the investigation is ongoing.  If you are Auburn, there is plenty to worry about.

     




    Do you have links that substantiate the things you say here? If so can you provide them. I am not interested in what he or she said but concrete evidence. 
     
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    https://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5768636

    Rogers is completely unreliable. this wont be a factor by Thanksgiving

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    https://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5768636

    Rogers is completely unreliable. this wont be a factor by Thanksgiving

     
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    Here is an article now up on collegefootballnews.com by Pete Fuitak that does a very good job of explaining what is happening here...


    CFN Analysis 

    Cam Newton ... Now What?


    By Pete Fiutak

    So now what happens for Auburn during its dream season, and more importantly, what do all the allegations swirling around Cam Newton mean to him?

    Probably not as much as it might seem.

    After Reggie Bush, Josh Luchs, A.J. Green, North Carolina, and all the problems and suspensions this year thanks to the agent issue, and the controversy and discussion swirling around Nick Saban and Urban Meyer’s preseason comments, the entire story around Mississippi State allegedly being ask for money to sign Newton out of junior college, and other schools allegedly offering money for his services, has come up at a very curious time.

    Because cheating is so rampant and because the problem is far, far worse than anyone can imagine, to fans, anytime a player’s name is used in a story like this, the automatic reaction is going to be that there’s something amiss, and that’s why, in the court of public opinion, this needs far, far more investigating. This isn't going to stop.

    Auburn is right in the thick of the national title chase, and it looks like the story is breaking just in time to try to derail the fun. Now the focus, for right or wrong, is going to be on things outside of Newton’s fantastic season and outside of the national championship. It also points to the problem that Saban and Meyer talked about at length and why they and other coaches are asking for help. This situation also points to the frustration of the player and the family that was investigated for this already, cleared, and now has to answer the questions again.

    There’s Cam Newton, who was investigated last summer and cleared, but now gets dragged in this when his focus is 100% on trying to win a national title. There’s Cecil Newton, the dad, who denies any involvement in anything, and is going along with all the NCAA’s requests and fighting to clear his son’s name that’s being used by an agent to try to make some money. Newton’s family, who has gone out of its way to show that it’s not getting any money, evidenced by the condition of their church, the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, and is frustrated it has to be involved now of all times, is saying and doing all the right things after the story broke. And then there’s the slimy side of the agent world that once again rears its ugly head. And that's why Kenny Rogers, who has gone rogue by allegedly trying to make a buck trying to steer Newton’s career, has to get 100% of the focus, and not Newton himself ... for now.

    Auburn has done its due diligence this offseason, but it has to keep investigating on its own and it has keep being proactive to make sure there’s nothing there that could come back to bite the school. Yeah, it is fair to ask the question of how Newton ended up at Auburn if Rogers' story is true. Newton will have the guilt by association, and now it's up to the NCAA to go further to establish just how close Rogers was to the situation. The focus is on Rogers and whether or not he’s telling the truth about being offered money by other people representing other schools to steer Newton their way, and that’s why this is so scary.

    The last thing Auburn wants to do is have a dream year and win the national title and see Newton win the Heisman, only to see something happen down the road. But this is a different situation than USC. The NCAA is already on it this time and has already investigated, but because an agent used Newton’s name, the frustration of the agent problem kicks in yet again.

    Newton, as long as he’s cleared to play by Auburn and head coach Gene Chizik, and he is, will still be everyone’s Heisman front-runner and this won’t affect the voters in the rankings and the polls. That the Newton’s denials have been so vehement, and that Auburn’s anger and frustration has been so quick, is the step that needed to be taken from the start when ESPN broke the story. If Newton or his family were involved in anything wrong, compared to all those players who have recently been caught, they’re certainly not acting like it.

    First and foremost, Newton himself appears to have nothing to do with this at all. He left the decision of where to go to school up to his father, and if all this is true, the player shouldn’t be affected by anything a greedy agent might have tried to do.

    Newton’s family appears to be out of this. Again, the condition of the church and the papers submitted to the NCAA shows it, as opposed to the Bush situation that had smoking guns all over the place. If they got money for Newton signature, they’re not showing it.

    Newton will win the Heisman. The national title will come down to the Iron Bowl, and Newton will get the chance to carry Auburn on the field, despite all the controversy off of it, and the season will go on as normal. And Kenny Rogers could become the first real case of college football and the NFLPA cracking down on the agent issue in the new, supposedly more diligent world.

    However, the focus is all about Rogers and he needs to come totally clean about everything. If his story true and did other schools offer him money to sign Newton, then it’s time to find out, and now, for no other reason than for Auburn to be above any suspicion. Now it’s up to Rogers to come up with proof of something, anything, that shows he got something for his association with the Newtons, but the burden is still on Auburn, too, to keep checking to make sure there's nothing there.

    This story isn’t over, and yeah, it’s going to dominate the rest of the college football season. And it’ll be the launching point and the test case to see how the agent issue gets handled.


    Reply
    Here is an article now up on collegefootballnews.com by Pete Fuitak that does a very good job of explaining what is happening here...


    CFN Analysis 

    Cam Newton ... Now What?


    By Pete Fiutak

    So now what happens for Auburn during its dream season, and more importantly, what do all the allegations swirling around Cam Newton mean to him?

    Probably not as much as it might seem.

    After Reggie Bush, Josh Luchs, A.J. Green, North Carolina, and all the problems and suspensions this year thanks to the agent issue, and the controversy and discussion swirling around Nick Saban and Urban Meyer’s preseason comments, the entire story around Mississippi State allegedly being ask for money to sign Newton out of junior college, and other schools allegedly offering money for his services, has come up at a very curious time.

    Because cheating is so rampant and because the problem is far, far worse than anyone can imagine, to fans, anytime a player’s name is used in a story like this, the automatic reaction is going to be that there’s something amiss, and that’s why, in the court of public opinion, this needs far, far more investigating. This isn't going to stop.

    Auburn is right in the thick of the national title chase, and it looks like the story is breaking just in time to try to derail the fun. Now the focus, for right or wrong, is going to be on things outside of Newton’s fantastic season and outside of the national championship. It also points to the problem that Saban and Meyer talked about at length and why they and other coaches are asking for help. This situation also points to the frustration of the player and the family that was investigated for this already, cleared, and now has to answer the questions again.

    There’s Cam Newton, who was investigated last summer and cleared, but now gets dragged in this when his focus is 100% on trying to win a national title. There’s Cecil Newton, the dad, who denies any involvement in anything, and is going along with all the NCAA’s requests and fighting to clear his son’s name that’s being used by an agent to try to make some money. Newton’s family, who has gone out of its way to show that it’s not getting any money, evidenced by the condition of their church, the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, and is frustrated it has to be involved now of all times, is saying and doing all the right things after the story broke. And then there’s the slimy side of the agent world that once again rears its ugly head. And that's why Kenny Rogers, who has gone rogue by allegedly trying to make a buck trying to steer Newton’s career, has to get 100% of the focus, and not Newton himself ... for now.

    Auburn has done its due diligence this offseason, but it has to keep investigating on its own and it has keep being proactive to make sure there’s nothing there that could come back to bite the school. Yeah, it is fair to ask the question of how Newton ended up at Auburn if Rogers' story is true. Newton will have the guilt by association, and now it's up to the NCAA to go further to establish just how close Rogers was to the situation. The focus is on Rogers and whether or not he’s telling the truth about being offered money by other people representing other schools to steer Newton their way, and that’s why this is so scary.

    The last thing Auburn wants to do is have a dream year and win the national title and see Newton win the Heisman, only to see something happen down the road. But this is a different situation than USC. The NCAA is already on it this time and has already investigated, but because an agent used Newton’s name, the frustration of the agent problem kicks in yet again.

    Newton, as long as he’s cleared to play by Auburn and head coach Gene Chizik, and he is, will still be everyone’s Heisman front-runner and this won’t affect the voters in the rankings and the polls. That the Newton’s denials have been so vehement, and that Auburn’s anger and frustration has been so quick, is the step that needed to be taken from the start when ESPN broke the story. If Newton or his family were involved in anything wrong, compared to all those players who have recently been caught, they’re certainly not acting like it.

    First and foremost, Newton himself appears to have nothing to do with this at all. He left the decision of where to go to school up to his father, and if all this is true, the player shouldn’t be affected by anything a greedy agent might have tried to do.

    Newton’s family appears to be out of this. Again, the condition of the church and the papers submitted to the NCAA shows it, as opposed to the Bush situation that had smoking guns all over the place. If they got money for Newton signature, they’re not showing it.

    Newton will win the Heisman. The national title will come down to the Iron Bowl, and Newton will get the chance to carry Auburn on the field, despite all the controversy off of it, and the season will go on as normal. And Kenny Rogers could become the first real case of college football and the NFLPA cracking down on the agent issue in the new, supposedly more diligent world.

    However, the focus is all about Rogers and he needs to come totally clean about everything. If his story true and did other schools offer him money to sign Newton, then it’s time to find out, and now, for no other reason than for Auburn to be above any suspicion. Now it’s up to Rogers to come up with proof of something, anything, that shows he got something for his association with the Newtons, but the burden is still on Auburn, too, to keep checking to make sure there's nothing there.

    This story isn’t over, and yeah, it’s going to dominate the rest of the college football season. And it’ll be the launching point and the test case to see how the agent issue gets handled.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:

    Here is an article now up on collegefootballnews.com by Pete Fuitak that does a very good job of explaining what is happening here...


    CFN Analysis 

    Cam Newton ... Now What?


    By Pete Fiutak

    So now what happens for Auburn during its dream season, and more importantly, what do all the allegations swirling around Cam Newton mean to him?

    Probably not as much as it might seem.

    After Reggie Bush, Josh Luchs, A.J. Green, North Carolina, and all the problems and suspensions this year thanks to the agent issue, and the controversy and discussion swirling around Nick Saban and Urban Meyer’s preseason comments, the entire story around Mississippi State allegedly being ask for money to sign Newton out of junior college, and other schools allegedly offering money for his services, has come up at a very curious time.

    Because cheating is so rampant and because the problem is far, far worse than anyone can imagine, to fans, anytime a player’s name is used in a story like this, the automatic reaction is going to be that there’s something amiss, and that’s why, in the court of public opinion, this needs far, far more investigating. This isn't going to stop.

    Auburn is right in the thick of the national title chase, and it looks like the story is breaking just in time to try to derail the fun. Now the focus, for right or wrong, is going to be on things outside of Newton’s fantastic season and outside of the national championship. It also points to the problem that Saban and Meyer talked about at length and why they and other coaches are asking for help. This situation also points to the frustration of the player and the family that was investigated for this already, cleared, and now has to answer the questions again.

    There’s Cam Newton, who was investigated last summer and cleared, but now gets dragged in this when his focus is 100% on trying to win a national title. There’s Cecil Newton, the dad, who denies any involvement in anything, and is going along with all the NCAA’s requests and fighting to clear his son’s name that’s being used by an agent to try to make some money. Newton’s family, who has gone out of its way to show that it’s not getting any money, evidenced by the condition of their church, the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, and is frustrated it has to be involved now of all times, is saying and doing all the right things after the story broke. And then there’s the slimy side of the agent world that once again rears its ugly head. And that's why Kenny Rogers, who has gone rogue by allegedly trying to make a buck trying to steer Newton’s career, has to get 100% of the focus, and not Newton himself ... for now.

    Auburn has done its due diligence this offseason, but it has to keep investigating on its own and it has keep being proactive to make sure there’s nothing there that could come back to bite the school. Yeah, it is fair to ask the question of how Newton ended up at Auburn if Rogers' story is true. Newton will have the guilt by association, and now it's up to the NCAA to go further to establish just how close Rogers was to the situation. The focus is on Rogers and whether or not he’s telling the truth about being offered money by other people representing other schools to steer Newton their way, and that’s why this is so scary.

    The last thing Auburn wants to do is have a dream year and win the national title and see Newton win the Heisman, only to see something happen down the road. But this is a different situation than USC. The NCAA is already on it this time and has already investigated, but because an agent used Newton’s name, the frustration of the agent problem kicks in yet again.

    Newton, as long as he’s cleared to play by Auburn and head coach Gene Chizik, and he is, will still be everyone’s Heisman front-runner and this won’t affect the voters in the rankings and the polls. That the Newton’s denials have been so vehement, and that Auburn’s anger and frustration has been so quick, is the step that needed to be taken from the start when ESPN broke the story. If Newton or his family were involved in anything wrong, compared to all those players who have recently been caught, they’re certainly not acting like it.

    First and foremost, Newton himself appears to have nothing to do with this at all. He left the decision of where to go to school up to his father, and if all this is true, the player shouldn’t be affected by anything a greedy agent might have tried to do.

    Newton’s family appears to be out of this. Again, the condition of the church and the papers submitted to the NCAA shows it, as opposed to the Bush situation that had smoking guns all over the place. If they got money for Newton signature, they’re not showing it.

    Newton will win the Heisman. The national title will come down to the Iron Bowl, and Newton will get the chance to carry Auburn on the field, despite all the controversy off of it, and the season will go on as normal. And Kenny Rogers could become the first real case of college football and the NFLPA cracking down on the agent issue in the new, supposedly more diligent world.

    However, the focus is all about Rogers and he needs to come totally clean about everything. If his story true and did other schools offer him money to sign Newton, then it’s time to find out, and now, for no other reason than for Auburn to be above any suspicion. Now it’s up to Rogers to come up with proof of something, anything, that shows he got something for his association with the Newtons, but the burden is still on Auburn, too, to keep checking to make sure there's nothing there.

    This story isn’t over, and yeah, it’s going to dominate the rest of the college football season. And it’ll be the launching point and the test case to see how the agent issue gets handled.




    That's the best story so far.  Fiutak is very good.  CFN is one of my favorite sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:

    Here is an article now up on collegefootballnews.com by Pete Fuitak that does a very good job of explaining what is happening here...


    CFN Analysis 

    Cam Newton ... Now What?


    By Pete Fiutak

    So now what happens for Auburn during its dream season, and more importantly, what do all the allegations swirling around Cam Newton mean to him?

    Probably not as much as it might seem.

    After Reggie Bush, Josh Luchs, A.J. Green, North Carolina, and all the problems and suspensions this year thanks to the agent issue, and the controversy and discussion swirling around Nick Saban and Urban Meyer’s preseason comments, the entire story around Mississippi State allegedly being ask for money to sign Newton out of junior college, and other schools allegedly offering money for his services, has come up at a very curious time.

    Because cheating is so rampant and because the problem is far, far worse than anyone can imagine, to fans, anytime a player’s name is used in a story like this, the automatic reaction is going to be that there’s something amiss, and that’s why, in the court of public opinion, this needs far, far more investigating. This isn't going to stop.

    Auburn is right in the thick of the national title chase, and it looks like the story is breaking just in time to try to derail the fun. Now the focus, for right or wrong, is going to be on things outside of Newton’s fantastic season and outside of the national championship. It also points to the problem that Saban and Meyer talked about at length and why they and other coaches are asking for help. This situation also points to the frustration of the player and the family that was investigated for this already, cleared, and now has to answer the questions again.

    There’s Cam Newton, who was investigated last summer and cleared, but now gets dragged in this when his focus is 100% on trying to win a national title. There’s Cecil Newton, the dad, who denies any involvement in anything, and is going along with all the NCAA’s requests and fighting to clear his son’s name that’s being used by an agent to try to make some money. Newton’s family, who has gone out of its way to show that it’s not getting any money, evidenced by the condition of their church, the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, and is frustrated it has to be involved now of all times, is saying and doing all the right things after the story broke. And then there’s the slimy side of the agent world that once again rears its ugly head. And that's why Kenny Rogers, who has gone rogue by allegedly trying to make a buck trying to steer Newton’s career, has to get 100% of the focus, and not Newton himself ... for now.

    Auburn has done its due diligence this offseason, but it has to keep investigating on its own and it has keep being proactive to make sure there’s nothing there that could come back to bite the school. Yeah, it is fair to ask the question of how Newton ended up at Auburn if Rogers' story is true. Newton will have the guilt by association, and now it's up to the NCAA to go further to establish just how close Rogers was to the situation. The focus is on Rogers and whether or not he’s telling the truth about being offered money by other people representing other schools to steer Newton their way, and that’s why this is so scary.

    The last thing Auburn wants to do is have a dream year and win the national title and see Newton win the Heisman, only to see something happen down the road. But this is a different situation than USC. The NCAA is already on it this time and has already investigated, but because an agent used Newton’s name, the frustration of the agent problem kicks in yet again.

    Newton, as long as he’s cleared to play by Auburn and head coach Gene Chizik, and he is, will still be everyone’s Heisman front-runner and this won’t affect the voters in the rankings and the polls. That the Newton’s denials have been so vehement, and that Auburn’s anger and frustration has been so quick, is the step that needed to be taken from the start when ESPN broke the story. If Newton or his family were involved in anything wrong, compared to all those players who have recently been caught, they’re certainly not acting like it.

    First and foremost, Newton himself appears to have nothing to do with this at all. He left the decision of where to go to school up to his father, and if all this is true, the player shouldn’t be affected by anything a greedy agent might have tried to do.

    Newton’s family appears to be out of this. Again, the condition of the church and the papers submitted to the NCAA shows it, as opposed to the Bush situation that had smoking guns all over the place. If they got money for Newton signature, they’re not showing it.

    Newton will win the Heisman. The national title will come down to the Iron Bowl, and Newton will get the chance to carry Auburn on the field, despite all the controversy off of it, and the season will go on as normal. And Kenny Rogers could become the first real case of college football and the NFLPA cracking down on the agent issue in the new, supposedly more diligent world.

    However, the focus is all about Rogers and he needs to come totally clean about everything. If his story true and did other schools offer him money to sign Newton, then it’s time to find out, and now, for no other reason than for Auburn to be above any suspicion. Now it’s up to Rogers to come up with proof of something, anything, that shows he got something for his association with the Newtons, but the burden is still on Auburn, too, to keep checking to make sure there's nothing there.

    This story isn’t over, and yeah, it’s going to dominate the rest of the college football season. And it’ll be the launching point and the test case to see how the agent issue gets handled.




    That's the best story so far.  Fiutak is very good.  CFN is one of my favorite sites.
     
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    Did Newton play today? I thought the NCAA was not going to let him near the field
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    Did Newton play today? I thought the NCAA was not going to let him near the field
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

    Did Newton play today? I thought the NCAA was not going to let him near the field


    Why did you think this. He has not been accused of anything and in fact he or Auburn have done nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

    Did Newton play today? I thought the NCAA was not going to let him near the field


    Why did you think this. He has not been accused of anything and in fact he or Auburn have done nothing.
     
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    i was being sarcastic swizzol is a boob
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    i was being sarcastic swizzol is a boob
     
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    AUBURN FOOTBALL =
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    AUBURN FOOTBALL =
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

    i was being sarcastic swizzol is a boob


    A boob who knows what time it is. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

    i was being sarcastic swizzol is a boob


    A boob who knows what time it is. 
     
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    SEC Football =

    Swept Under a Rug

     

    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    SEC Football =

    Swept Under a Rug

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2010 - 2:51 PM ET #143

    Now the FBI has joined the investigation!!!

    As I said all along...

    It don't look good. 

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/11/10/report-fbi-investigate-pay-play-allegations-auburn-quarterback/?test=latestnews
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    Now the FBI has joined the investigation!!!

    As I said all along...

    It don't look good. 

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/11/10/report-fbi-investigate-pay-play-allegations-auburn-quarterback/?test=latestnews
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    The implications may cost him the Heisman.

    He's not gonna be an NFL star.  Unless he can be a tight end or running back.

    His college career may be over.





    it's an interesting catch 22 in CFB these days... think about this:

    if Cam Newton was just having a decent year right now, and not a Heisman trophy type of year, this story wouldn't have come out... a guy like Cam (and his dad, apparently) go after the easy money before college, knowing that there is value now, and an injury, or a bad college career, could kill that value later...

    but instead, Cam is realizing that his value going forward is through the roof... and because of that, he has a target on his back... and that is why this story surfaced...

    college athletes are going to have to realize they can't have it both ways... just ask Reggie Bush... apparently, college football does not like giving the Heisman trophy to someone who is getting paid to play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    The implications may cost him the Heisman.

    He's not gonna be an NFL star.  Unless he can be a tight end or running back.

    His college career may be over.





    it's an interesting catch 22 in CFB these days... think about this:

    if Cam Newton was just having a decent year right now, and not a Heisman trophy type of year, this story wouldn't have come out... a guy like Cam (and his dad, apparently) go after the easy money before college, knowing that there is value now, and an injury, or a bad college career, could kill that value later...

    but instead, Cam is realizing that his value going forward is through the roof... and because of that, he has a target on his back... and that is why this story surfaced...

    college athletes are going to have to realize they can't have it both ways... just ask Reggie Bush... apparently, college football does not like giving the Heisman trophy to someone who is getting paid to play...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:



    it's an interesting catch 22 in CFB these days... think about this:

    if Cam Newton was just having a decent year right now, and not a Heisman trophy type of year, this story wouldn't have come out... a guy like Cam (and his dad, apparently) go after the easy money before college, knowing that there is value now, and an injury, or a bad college career, could kill that value later...

    but instead, Cam is realizing that his value going forward is through the roof... and because of that, he has a target on his back... and that is why this story surfaced...

    college athletes are going to have to realize they can't have it both ways... just ask Reggie Bush... apparently, college football does not like giving the Heisman trophy to someone who is getting paid to play...


    You're so right.

    This whole thing has gotten so ugly.  Auburn climbs to the top of the mountain and everyone starts throwing rocks at 'em, looking to knock 'em off.
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    it's an interesting catch 22 in CFB these days... think about this:

    if Cam Newton was just having a decent year right now, and not a Heisman trophy type of year, this story wouldn't have come out... a guy like Cam (and his dad, apparently) go after the easy money before college, knowing that there is value now, and an injury, or a bad college career, could kill that value later...

    but instead, Cam is realizing that his value going forward is through the roof... and because of that, he has a target on his back... and that is why this story surfaced...

    college athletes are going to have to realize they can't have it both ways... just ask Reggie Bush... apparently, college football does not like giving the Heisman trophy to someone who is getting paid to play...


    You're so right.

    This whole thing has gotten so ugly.  Auburn climbs to the top of the mountain and everyone starts throwing rocks at 'em, looking to knock 'em off.
     
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    This is what Jack Arute says on the matter posted on the following blog today.

    https://blog.jackaruteonsports.com/football/a-pox-on-all-your-houses.html

     For what it is worth the FBI involvement has to do with Thayer's article and the possibility that federal laws have been broken releasing a person's grade, that is a major no-no and will land you in federal prison with a hefty fine. Here is his blog today...

    A Pox On All Your Houses!

    Young Men are just that. Young, impressionable and on a journey to maturity . It is a journey of trial and error. One filled with experimentation, susceptibility and often naiveté”.

    Who among us can claim that our journey into manhood did not include a dose of stupidity and some poor decisions?

    Most of us though did not have to travel that path in the white hot spotlight of sports stardom. Cam Newton chose that path. And now, he is being assassinated by a wave of unnamed “sources” and allegations that take root simply because of his celebrity.

    Cam Newton made some mistakes before he got to get under center for the Auburn Football program.

    Before he was heralded as possibly the very best football player in the nation, Newton’s mistakes were just footnotes in his path to maturity.

    He bought a stolen lap top. He paid for that mistake. He left the University of Florida and enrolled at Blinn Junior College. Did he leave Florida because of Tim Tebow? Or were there other reasons? I don’t know! And quite frankly no one outside maybe his immediate circle of friends didn’t care either.

    We also know that young men who excel at football become targets. Targets for low life scum who want to ride the backs of these young men in a perverse manner of abuse that will reward these gutter dwellers with riches and a position of influence that feeds their narcissism. Sometimes, these low lifes fail and turn on their prey to “teach them a lesson”.

    I don’t know if that is the case with Cam Newton.

    What I do know, is that the media have pounced on this story ONLY after ESPN decided to give it a national platform.

    The fact that ESPN chose to publish this story as Newton and his team played through the SEC and Cam became a Heisman leader is not coincidental. This is not a story that just popped onto the radar screen. It is one that…when you strip away the unnamed sources and the innuendo has been part of the Cam Newton story for more than 2 years!

    Now, what we have is a witch hunt.

    ESPN is on the defensive and other media outlets are compelled to get their “Exclusive” slice of the story. Cam Newton’s blood is in the water and the sharks are feeding.

    As Newton’s coach, Gene Chizk said the other day. THIS IS GARBAGE!

    I could not agree more.

    But, I would go one step further. It puts the media into the same category as those  influence peddlers and predators that latch onto young men and ride their accomplishments to fame and fortune.

    I do not wish to be one of those. I also think any additional discussion regarding this entire feces laden situation is simply what ESPN, The NY Times and now others sought to do. Destroy and individual young athlete who learned from his mistakes and has become a Man in the process.

    I will be voting for Cam Newton when my Heisman ballot arrives. And I will never forget what ESPN has done. I have said it before and now I am sure. ESPN is not good for the sport of College Football. It is a self serving institution that is dedicated to one thing…….ESPN!


    https://blog.jackaruteonsports.com/football/a-pox-on-all-your-houses.html


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    This is what Jack Arute says on the matter posted on the following blog today.

    https://blog.jackaruteonsports.com/football/a-pox-on-all-your-houses.html

     For what it is worth the FBI involvement has to do with Thayer's article and the possibility that federal laws have been broken releasing a person's grade, that is a major no-no and will land you in federal prison with a hefty fine. Here is his blog today...

    A Pox On All Your Houses!

    Young Men are just that. Young, impressionable and on a journey to maturity . It is a journey of trial and error. One filled with experimentation, susceptibility and often naiveté”.

    Who among us can claim that our journey into manhood did not include a dose of stupidity and some poor decisions?

    Most of us though did not have to travel that path in the white hot spotlight of sports stardom. Cam Newton chose that path. And now, he is being assassinated by a wave of unnamed “sources” and allegations that take root simply because of his celebrity.

    Cam Newton made some mistakes before he got to get under center for the Auburn Football program.

    Before he was heralded as possibly the very best football player in the nation, Newton’s mistakes were just footnotes in his path to maturity.

    He bought a stolen lap top. He paid for that mistake. He left the University of Florida and enrolled at Blinn Junior College. Did he leave Florida because of Tim Tebow? Or were there other reasons? I don’t know! And quite frankly no one outside maybe his immediate circle of friends didn’t care either.

    We also know that young men who excel at football become targets. Targets for low life scum who want to ride the backs of these young men in a perverse manner of abuse that will reward these gutter dwellers with riches and a position of influence that feeds their narcissism. Sometimes, these low lifes fail and turn on their prey to “teach them a lesson”.

    I don’t know if that is the case with Cam Newton.

    What I do know, is that the media have pounced on this story ONLY after ESPN decided to give it a national platform.

    The fact that ESPN chose to publish this story as Newton and his team played through the SEC and Cam became a Heisman leader is not coincidental. This is not a story that just popped onto the radar screen. It is one that…when you strip away the unnamed sources and the innuendo has been part of the Cam Newton story for more than 2 years!

    Now, what we have is a witch hunt.

    ESPN is on the defensive and other media outlets are compelled to get their “Exclusive” slice of the story. Cam Newton’s blood is in the water and the sharks are feeding.

    As Newton’s coach, Gene Chizk said the other day. THIS IS GARBAGE!

    I could not agree more.

    But, I would go one step further. It puts the media into the same category as those  influence peddlers and predators that latch onto young men and ride their accomplishments to fame and fortune.

    I do not wish to be one of those. I also think any additional discussion regarding this entire feces laden situation is simply what ESPN, The NY Times and now others sought to do. Destroy and individual young athlete who learned from his mistakes and has become a Man in the process.

    I will be voting for Cam Newton when my Heisman ballot arrives. And I will never forget what ESPN has done. I have said it before and now I am sure. ESPN is not good for the sport of College Football. It is a self serving institution that is dedicated to one thing…….ESPN!


    https://blog.jackaruteonsports.com/football/a-pox-on-all-your-houses.html


     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2010 - 3:45 PM ET #147

    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Now the FBI has joined the investigation!!!

    As I said all along...

    It don't look good. 

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/11/10/report-fbi-investigate-pay-play-allegations-auburn-quarterback/?test=latestnews

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    Quote Originally Posted by swizzol:

    Now the FBI has joined the investigation!!!

    As I said all along...

    It don't look good. 

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/11/10/report-fbi-investigate-pay-play-allegations-auburn-quarterback/?test=latestnews

    the Florida Bureau of Instigation

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmas13:

    the Florida Bureau of Instigation



    I put very little stock into anything published on Fox Sports  as of now, They are not interested in the truth, just ratings for their publication...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmas13:

    the Florida Bureau of Instigation



    I put very little stock into anything published on Fox Sports  as of now, They are not interested in the truth, just ratings for their publication...
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmas13:

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