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mightiestmojo

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 8:31 AM ET #76

This is a good thread. I just want to say a couple of things.

1. My source is ESPN and according to all the draft gurus, GMs they interview, etc. Luck is the best prospect since Elway. Period. Comparing him to Bradford, et al is certainly doable but inaccurate. I'd like to point out that span INCLUDES the good Manning so the idea that someone had more buzz the last few years, again from info I hear/watch on ESPN, is crazy. It's almost impossible Luck could be a hotter commodity than he is today.

2. That being said I actually respect the hell outta him. While yeah, I would NOT turn down the $50M rookie signing bonus, who knows his motives? Maybe he went to Stanford to go to school decided to play football too and turns out he is really good at football. Maybe instead of getting the shit kicked out of himself 16 Sundays a year he wants to be an architect; you can make great money doing that not NFL money but still it's a lot less painful. Maybe his people know some NFL guys and they told him it's highly unlikely there will be a season next year since the CBA is not getting done and he wants to play ball. Maybe he's one of those guys who told his Mom he'd get his degree. Who knows?

From my perspective if he wants to play football in the NFL he's making a horrible choice right now. If that's not the most important thing to him then I say well done.

I'm starting a new thread but why would you sign rookies with no CBA? The current one expires in March and the draft is April.

gambling-devil

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:00 PM ET #77

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

That college box is much better than the NFL groupie box.

I second that. I have no idea why these guys would want some skank that 20 other ballers already had.

Ben Roethlisberger may be a sketchy dude, but he did it right by plucking some chick from a small town.

You will get the idea when you are becoming one of those ballers

Every day out of the red is a big win.

melloyello1818

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:17 PM ET #78

If the kid wants to stay in school, more props to him. Who are we to criticize HIS decision?!

lsufasteddie

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:32 PM ET #79

Arch. design, Are you fucking kidding me. Thats what this kid is going back for. Hilarious.

Yes it would be better if he were graduating in biology or something like that.

rLp

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:40 PM ET #80

daroad,

Many of your posts keep reiterating about money. Obviously Andrew Luck isn't worried about money, or he would have left for it. Maybe to you, money is the most important thing in life, but to him it isn't.

Maybe all that money is not what makes the kid happy. Apparently you think he is an idiot because of all that money... money.. money.. money... Well, money isn't the driving force in everybody's life. Obviously not his. You may think he is "idoitic" for leaving all that money on the table, but the kid is at Stanford, so I'd bet he's probably pretty smart.

Could it be possible he doesn't want to let his teamates down, knowing they have one heck of team coming back, and have a shot at a National Championship? Maybe the kid is putting the team first, and not himself, which is very refreshing to see. With him coming back, not only does he put himself on the National stage next year, but puts the entire team and university as well. This is a very un-selfish act and I give the kid nothing but credit.

Btw, Peyton Manning stayed. I'd say that worked out pretty well.

thorpe

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:41 PM ET #81

Quote Originally Posted by mightiestmojo:

This is a good thread. I just want to say a couple of things.

From my perspective if he wants to play football in the NFL he's making a horrible choice right now. If that's not the most important thing to him then I say well done.

I'm starting a new thread but why would you sign rookies with no CBA? The current one expires in March and the draft is April.

Last year, Jake Locker was the best prospect ever, according to ESPN. ESPN does not know shit when it comes to draft status. I am not saying Luck isn't good, just that ESPN is wrong more often than they are right when it comes to the NFL draft.

Why would you criticize a guy for making the decision to stay in school? Especially when it is Stanford. Do you have any idea how rich Stanford students and alumni are? Luck would make more money not playing in the NFL and using his Stanford connections to marry a rich girl and land a plum job in business.

Quote Originally Posted by mightiestmojo:

This is a good thread. I just want to say a couple of things.

From my perspective if he wants to play football in the NFL he's making a horrible choice right now. If that's not the most important thing to him then I say well done.

I'm starting a new thread but why would you sign rookies with no CBA? The current one expires in March and the draft is April.

lb88

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 12:44 PM ET #82

Quote Originally Posted by Prince-Parlay:

Agree with ya man...isnt there going to be a rookie cap in 2012 as well......Ohio St better start looking for that next QB gem cause Terell Pryors wallet just got fatter, whos is he kidding making people think hes coming back to sit out 4 games next year...give me a break

lets not kid ourselves here, Pryor not getting drafted high enough to get paid like that....if he gets drafted at all

dendogg55

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:02 PM ET #83

Maybe he is trying to be the bigger man and take the high road. What if he wants 35 million? Pretty quick choice that he made after being unsure. Money always has a way of putting a target on your back. He has a lot of great options for his future. Forget the money he is now going to be a Senior QB at Standford. Good luck against Oregon next year. Best of luck to him and all of you. Peace.

2Team_Parlay

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:19 PM ET #84

Everyone is talking about Harbaugh leaving tot he NFL, but i dont c it this way. i think Harbaugh comes back to Stanford and they will be the odds on favorite to win the National Championship. Luck is smart enough to play great again and will probably win the Heisman as well as the NC. and this time next year no one will be talking about him sitting out

2Team_Parlay

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:21 PM ET #85

and u cant really blame the guy i wouldnt want to play for the panthers... that division id tough with the Bucs Saints and Falcons that division will only get tougher

tep

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:41 PM ET #86

This post is funny because Luck seems to be a very intelligent person. He has plenty of people around him to advise him to what is in his best interest. Yet we have a poster he who is calling him dumb for his decision. That is what I call dumb because you do not have all the info needed to make the decision he made. You are also basing your belief on a new CBA that will not have a rookie cap.

The chances that a rookie salary cap will be in place for this years draft class are better than you think. I can almost say it is a guarantee because the current players already have their money and will concede to this in order to win other concessions. It may also free up more money for the current players.

That being said Luck will not be losing millions because of his decision like people have suggested. He will be losing the money because of the new CBA. If their is no rookie cap this year it will not be because it is not in the new CBA. It will because of a lock out. Either way his decision is not costing him millions. No CBA is the culprit. The only thing that will happen is Luck will earn free agency one year later.

He will be insured. He will have finished his education. He will make the same money next year as his probably will have made this year.

The days of rookies making 50 million guaranteed are gone as of March 2011.

kickinA

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:45 PM ET #87

Quote Originally Posted by dendogg55:

Maybe he is trying to be the bigger man and take the high road. What if he wants 35 million? Pretty quick choice that he made after being unsure. Money always has a way of putting a target on your back. He has a lot of great options for his future. Forget the money he is now going to be a Senior QB at Standford. Good luck against Oregon next year. Best of luck to him and all of you. Peace.

I believe he'll only be a junior. But your point well taken.

dendogg55

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 1:58 PM ET #88

Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

I believe he'll only be a junior. But your point well taken.

OOOPS!!!! MY bad well maybe he will be? Take care and right on.

thorpe

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 2:09 PM ET #89

Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

I believe he'll only be a junior. But your point well taken.

You are both right. He is a senior academically and on pace to graduate next year. Athletically, he is a redshirt Junior with 2 years of elgibility left.

dendogg55

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 3:27 PM ET #90

Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

You are both right. He is a senior academically and on pace to graduate next year. Athletically, he is a redshirt Junior with 2 years of elgibility left.

Nice work!!!

kcnvegas25

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 3:33 PM ET #91

Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

You guys crack me up, you bitch and moan all the time about the millions of dollars these guys make, then when I kid decides to stay at school, you bitch about that. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to finish school and get his degree. Regardless of what the pay structure is when he comes out, he will still make millions of dollars and will be set for life. He is doing the right thing.

i totally agree with you. he is doing the right decision and Harbaugh might stay after hearing that his qb is staying. its not definate that hes leaving and now having Luck back, its a great way to get a national title-then get a good nfl job and he goes #1. and Locker is not nearly as good as Luck. Luck gets injured he still plays in the nfl...

kcnvegas25

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 3:41 PM ET #92

Quote Originally Posted by lb88:

lets not kid ourselves here, Pryor not getting drafted high enough to get paid like that....if he gets drafted at all

i agree with you there. pryor will be lucky to even get drafted. option qb's aren't an option in the nfl. if he gets drafted it'll probaly be late and he'll have to earn his money...

14daroad

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 4:17 PM ET #93

The fact that Harbaugh is now the coach of the 49ers makes this decision all the more idiotic.

14daroad

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 4:20 PM ET #94

Apparently you think he is an idiot because of all that money... money.. money.. money... Well, money isn't the driving force in everybody's life

I understand that, but $50-$70 million is a once in a lifetime thing that can setup your grandchildren.

LEBRONJAMESVEGA

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 4:25 PM ET #95

The hell with thats I would turn pro as fast as I can never risk injury. Rather be set for life if I do get hurt. You never know you think Jake"the idiot" Locker wish he turn pro last year welcome to the 2nd round DUMMY 45 MIL lost

ArtSchlichterJr

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 5:08 PM ET #96

Quote Originally Posted by tep:

This post is funny because Luck seems to be a very intelligent person. He has plenty of people around him to advise him to what is in his best interest. Yet we have a poster he who is calling him dumb for his decision. That is what I call dumb because you do not have all the info needed to make the decision he made. You are also basing your belief on a new CBA that will not have a rookie cap.

The chances that a rookie salary cap will be in place for this years draft class are better than you think. I can almost say it is a guarantee because the current players already have their money and will concede to this in order to win other concessions. It may also free up more money for the current players.

That being said Luck will not be losing millions because of his decision like people have suggested. He will be losing the money because of the new CBA. If their is no rookie cap this year it will not be because it is not in the new CBA. It will because of a lock out. Either way his decision is not costing him millions. No CBA is the culprit. The only thing that will happen is Luck will earn free agency one year later.

He will be insured. He will have finished his education. He will make the same money next year as his probably will have made this year.

The days of rookies making 50 million guaranteed are gone as of March 2011.

Give that man a cigar.. The deal Bradford signed will be the last huge guaranteed contract for a rookie.. They will set a rook cap and players will agree because a portion of the overflow and savings will be earmarked by contract to go into the upgrading of the retirement fund for players.. Its win win for current players.. This time around the contract will get signed .. To much money for BOTH sides this time to lose.. Last time the star players had the bottom rung players ears.. hell bottom was 70,000 a year plus benefits for the low end NFL player.. can make that in the real world .. Players still drove around junk.. Now the bottom is 270,000 (min) plus benies even for the lowest player.. Sorry these boys this time are caving .. Aint no 300,000 jobs out there and they have got used to the good life.. To much for both sides to lose this time especially the bottom tier who make up the majority of the votes.. NFL will not have a work stoppage IMO..

Be careful with the axe Eugene.

LosAngelesKing

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 5:24 PM ET #97

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Apparently you think he is an idiot because of all that money... money.. money.. money... Well, money isn't the driving force in everybody's life

I understand that, but $50-$70 million is a once in a lifetime thing that can setup your grandchildren.

When you go to a place like Stanford and are one of the highest rated QB's in college history, money will come your way in time. No rush to leave the good life in college especially with a great education at Stanford where he could possibly win a national championship and a heisman trophy to help cement his legacy.

mightiestmojo

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Posted: Jan. 7, 2011 - 7:00 PM ET #98

Whoa for the record I'm fine with whatever he choses. I said if the NFL is priority #1 I think he's making a terrible error if it's not then job well done. I agree with a Stanford degree and his pedigree he's going to do pretty well in life.

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