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    An undefeated FSU would play undefeated Bama for title.

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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 1:20 AM ET #51

    Everybody talking bout Bama n Oregon but Bama have to get by Lsu first.I think Lsu upset Bama this year.
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 1:44 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by bayougambler:

    Everybody talking bout Bama n Oregon but Bama have to get by Lsu first.I think Lsu upset Bama this year.

    Ehhhhhh... "bayougambler"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bayougambler:

    Everybody talking bout Bama n Oregon but Bama have to get by Lsu first.I think Lsu upset Bama this year.

    Ehhhhhh... "bayougambler"
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 10:00 AM ET #53

    Funny how you presume to know many games Pac teams will lose but say nothing about games ACC teams will lose.  Your reasoning is flawed because the BCS computer rankings analyze the WHOLE body of work of the teams over the entire season and their opponents when making end of season determinations – and half of that body of work hasn’t been completed yet. These factors change week by week depending on who wins and loses and how rankings are affected, and can change very significantly over the next 6 weeks of the season. The math gurus are giving their best guesses at this point, nothing more.

    You say UCLA and Stanford will have 3 or 4 losses. Maybe so, but maybe not. You don't know. And for that matter, so could Miami or Clemson, or Florida, whom Florida State must beat and some of whom may not be even ranked when Florida St beats them.

    Miami still has to play, in addition to FSU, Virginia Tech and at Pitt.They lose to VaTech and FSU (not unreasonable to presume) they could drop out of top 25 & lose again to Pitt on the road they’re for sure out. This hurts FSU at end of season.

    Clemson still has to play in addition FSU, in-state rival So. Carolina which the cocks could very well have another loss or two by the time they play.  If so, and Clemson loses both, FSU’s record isn’t looking so good any more. Clemson has a long and distinguished record of losing games like this that no one thinks they should.

    Florida still as to play @ #15 Missouri, @ #16 Georgia, and Florida St., as well as a pretty chippy Vanderbilt team.  They lose even one of those games, they’re likely out of the top 25. If FSU beats a 2 (or 3) loss, unranked Florida team, how does that affect their end of season standing?

    Oregon OTOH still plays UCLA & Stanford; again at the end of the season, UCLA could easily be sitting at 10-2 and still ranked (losing for sake of argument to Oregon and Stanford and winning the rest) – likewise Stanford could easily be at 10-2 and still ranked (losing to Oregon and winning the rest) in which case Oregon would play a ranked UCLA squad again for the Pac12 title and, if winning, would have beaten a ranked UCLA team twice, a ranked UW team on the road, and a ranked Stanford team, on the road, in addition to blowing out many teams on their schedule by 4 TDs or more.  FSU on the above scenario end of season would have beaten 3 loss unranked Miami team, a 2 loss lower ranked Clemson team, and an unranked 2 or 3 loss Florida team at end of season. Then what do the computers say? You don’t know any more than the so called BCS math gurus do. Particularly if any of those losses happen to be particularly bad, or any of the wins happen to be by the thinnest of margins, potentially affecting rankings and overall calculated strength of opponents.  

    And perhaps you are tempted to argue that the above things aren’t likely to happen. Well none of what I’ve mentioned above is any LESS likely to happen than FSU running the table against Clemson - twice - Miami, and Florida, while assuming those teams don’t lose much or anymore and remain highly ranked through the end of year. THAT is more likely what’s not going to happen.

    So what are we left with?  You illuminating the board with your prescient insight into college football by parroting what other BCS math gurus think is going to occur when in reality they don’t know because half the season hasn’t even been played.  Congratulations on being Covers’ top parrot.

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    Funny how you presume to know many games Pac teams will lose but say nothing about games ACC teams will lose.  Your reasoning is flawed because the BCS computer rankings analyze the WHOLE body of work of the teams over the entire season and their opponents when making end of season determinations – and half of that body of work hasn’t been completed yet. These factors change week by week depending on who wins and loses and how rankings are affected, and can change very significantly over the next 6 weeks of the season. The math gurus are giving their best guesses at this point, nothing more.

    You say UCLA and Stanford will have 3 or 4 losses. Maybe so, but maybe not. You don't know. And for that matter, so could Miami or Clemson, or Florida, whom Florida State must beat and some of whom may not be even ranked when Florida St beats them.

    Miami still has to play, in addition to FSU, Virginia Tech and at Pitt.They lose to VaTech and FSU (not unreasonable to presume) they could drop out of top 25 & lose again to Pitt on the road they’re for sure out. This hurts FSU at end of season.

    Clemson still has to play in addition FSU, in-state rival So. Carolina which the cocks could very well have another loss or two by the time they play.  If so, and Clemson loses both, FSU’s record isn’t looking so good any more. Clemson has a long and distinguished record of losing games like this that no one thinks they should.

    Florida still as to play @ #15 Missouri, @ #16 Georgia, and Florida St., as well as a pretty chippy Vanderbilt team.  They lose even one of those games, they’re likely out of the top 25. If FSU beats a 2 (or 3) loss, unranked Florida team, how does that affect their end of season standing?

    Oregon OTOH still plays UCLA & Stanford; again at the end of the season, UCLA could easily be sitting at 10-2 and still ranked (losing for sake of argument to Oregon and Stanford and winning the rest) – likewise Stanford could easily be at 10-2 and still ranked (losing to Oregon and winning the rest) in which case Oregon would play a ranked UCLA squad again for the Pac12 title and, if winning, would have beaten a ranked UCLA team twice, a ranked UW team on the road, and a ranked Stanford team, on the road, in addition to blowing out many teams on their schedule by 4 TDs or more.  FSU on the above scenario end of season would have beaten 3 loss unranked Miami team, a 2 loss lower ranked Clemson team, and an unranked 2 or 3 loss Florida team at end of season. Then what do the computers say? You don’t know any more than the so called BCS math gurus do. Particularly if any of those losses happen to be particularly bad, or any of the wins happen to be by the thinnest of margins, potentially affecting rankings and overall calculated strength of opponents.  

    And perhaps you are tempted to argue that the above things aren’t likely to happen. Well none of what I’ve mentioned above is any LESS likely to happen than FSU running the table against Clemson - twice - Miami, and Florida, while assuming those teams don’t lose much or anymore and remain highly ranked through the end of year. THAT is more likely what’s not going to happen.

    So what are we left with?  You illuminating the board with your prescient insight into college football by parroting what other BCS math gurus think is going to occur when in reality they don’t know because half the season hasn’t even been played.  Congratulations on being Covers’ top parrot.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 12:45 PM ET #54

    GWTJF just broke down motowner like a balsa wood statue. 

    DONE!!
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    DONE!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 2:29 PM ET #55

    The whole FSU program could just ride on the backs of this true freshman phenom Winston who's dialed in focused. The South decides the Presidential elections and the NC in football. An undefeated FSU would pass up a 1 loss Oregon, and maybe undefeated Oregon, to play Alabama. Funny. NOONE is talking up the possibility of LSU beating Bama (exc LSU homies). We all feel its a foregone conclusion. The SEC gets fortunate this time of year.

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    The whole FSU program could just ride on the backs of this true freshman phenom Winston who's dialed in focused. The South decides the Presidential elections and the NC in football. An undefeated FSU would pass up a 1 loss Oregon, and maybe undefeated Oregon, to play Alabama. Funny. NOONE is talking up the possibility of LSU beating Bama (exc LSU homies). We all feel its a foregone conclusion. The SEC gets fortunate this time of year.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2013 - 2:49 PM ET #56

    motowner is just a Pac-12 and Oregon hater.  Probably bitter that UW never even sniffed a win last weekend, and couldn't even cover 2 TDs.  So now he is grasping at straws trying to talk down the P12 again.

    Yawn.  



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    motowner is just a Pac-12 and Oregon hater.  Probably bitter that UW never even sniffed a win last weekend, and couldn't even cover 2 TDs.  So now he is grasping at straws trying to talk down the P12 again.

    Yawn.  



     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 10:58 PM ET #57

    *BANG!*

    Alabama vs. FSU

    that's your title game if FSU runs the table!



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    *BANG!*

    Alabama vs. FSU

    that's your title game if FSU runs the table!



     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 11:03 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:



    the OP does not believe in computers or anything logical that shows the ACC is clearly behind the PAC in conf ranking.  he also belies the voters who clearly believe more in Oregon than FSU.

    however, all of this will be moot after FSU loses to Clemson sat and likely Miami after that.






    you have been absolutely and utterly humiliated!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:



    the OP does not believe in computers or anything logical that shows the ACC is clearly behind the PAC in conf ranking.  he also belies the voters who clearly believe more in Oregon than FSU.

    however, all of this will be moot after FSU loses to Clemson sat and likely Miami after that.






    you have been absolutely and utterly humiliated!


     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 11:07 PM ET #59

    Nope.......bama vs Oregon if both win out
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 11:09 PM ET #60

    ACC better than Pac 12, please explain that?  
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 11:14 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by motowner:







    you have been absolutely and utterly humiliated!




    kind of like your wash pick over oregon.


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    you have been absolutely and utterly humiliated!




    kind of like your wash pick over oregon.


     
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    Ducks are in trouble right now
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    Ducks are in trouble right now
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2013 - 11:38 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Nope.......bama vs Oregon if both win out


    wrong. the math has already been projected out and Oregon would get bumped in this scenario. the BCS math guru's are all over it.

    Alabama would easily beat Oregon by 14+ anyway, so an Alabama-FSU matchup would be best for the viewers as well.





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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Nope.......bama vs Oregon if both win out


    wrong. the math has already been projected out and Oregon would get bumped in this scenario. the BCS math guru's are all over it.

    Alabama would easily beat Oregon by 14+ anyway, so an Alabama-FSU matchup would be best for the viewers as well.





     
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    Quote Originally Posted by motowner:



    wrong. the math has already been projected out and Oregon would get bumped in this scenario. the BCS math guru's are all over it.

    Alabama would easily beat Oregon by 14+ anyway, so an Alabama-FSU matchup would be best for the viewers as well.





    Sorry.......the Xanax has warped your mind......nothing you said is true. No matter how hard you wish it to be, it just isn't true.
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    wrong. the math has already been projected out and Oregon would get bumped in this scenario. the BCS math guru's are all over it.

    Alabama would easily beat Oregon by 14+ anyway, so an Alabama-FSU matchup would be best for the viewers as well.





    Sorry.......the Xanax has warped your mind......nothing you said is true. No matter how hard you wish it to be, it just isn't true.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 1:26 AM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Sorry.......the Xanax has warped your mind......nothing you said is true. No matter how hard you wish it to be, it just isn't true.


    hey, don't shoot the messenger.. it's the BCS math guys who already projected everything out.

    Alamba vs. FSU for the title if both run the table!


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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Sorry.......the Xanax has warped your mind......nothing you said is true. No matter how hard you wish it to be, it just isn't true.


    hey, don't shoot the messenger.. it's the BCS math guys who already projected everything out.

    Alamba vs. FSU for the title if both run the table!


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 1:28 AM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by motowner:



    hey, don't shoot the messenger.. it's the BCS math guys who already projected everything out.

    Alamba vs. FSU for the title if both run the table!




    Simply put. You are dead wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by motowner:



    hey, don't shoot the messenger.. it's the BCS math guys who already projected everything out.

    Alamba vs. FSU for the title if both run the table!




    Simply put. You are dead wrong
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 1:29 AM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by goducks4:



    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    Just like you were last week on UW vs UO
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    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    Just like you were last week on UW vs UO
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by goducks4:



    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    the BCS math won't lie!


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    Quote Originally Posted by goducks4:



    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    the BCS math won't lie!


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 1:42 AM ET #69

    LMFAO! 38 points to Wazzu in your own crib???

    the polls like don't like putrid defenses... oh no they don't!!!!




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    LMFAO! 38 points to Wazzu in your own crib???

    the polls like don't like putrid defenses... oh no they don't!!!!




     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 3:42 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by goducks4:



    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    You can't call him dead wrong yet. The BCS polls are not released yet. Lets see where FSU is at tomorrow after dismantling Clemson and where Oregon is after they had trouble with Wazzu.

    FSU's strength of schedule is greater than Oregons right now.

    I could easily see BCS unveiling Bama, FSU, Oregon tomorrow night, we'll see what happens though. FSU should def. jump ohio state,
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    Quote Originally Posted by goducks4:



    Simply put. You are dead wrong


    You can't call him dead wrong yet. The BCS polls are not released yet. Lets see where FSU is at tomorrow after dismantling Clemson and where Oregon is after they had trouble with Wazzu.

    FSU's strength of schedule is greater than Oregons right now.

    I could easily see BCS unveiling Bama, FSU, Oregon tomorrow night, we'll see what happens though. FSU should def. jump ohio state,
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 3:45 AM ET #71

    Bama vs Fsu would be pretty solid if you ask me.

    No way LSU is going into Tuscaloosa and getting the win, and even if they do they already have 2 losses in the SEC. Auburn is the only team right now that could know Bama out of it. Who knows what could happen in the coming weeks though.
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    Bama vs Fsu would be pretty solid if you ask me.

    No way LSU is going into Tuscaloosa and getting the win, and even if they do they already have 2 losses in the SEC. Auburn is the only team right now that could know Bama out of it. Who knows what could happen in the coming weeks though.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 3:55 AM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by eliminat0r85:



    You can't call him dead wrong yet. The BCS polls are not released yet. Lets see where FSU is at tomorrow after dismantling Clemson and where Oregon is after they had trouble with Wazzu.

    FSU's strength of schedule is greater than Oregons right now.

    I could easily see BCS unveiling Bama, FSU, Oregon tomorrow night, we'll see what happens though. FSU should def. jump ohio state,


    this isn't getting decided tomorrow. this is about end of season rankings.

    the BCS math guys have FSU projected to be #2 at the end of the year if they run the table.

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    You can't call him dead wrong yet. The BCS polls are not released yet. Lets see where FSU is at tomorrow after dismantling Clemson and where Oregon is after they had trouble with Wazzu.

    FSU's strength of schedule is greater than Oregons right now.

    I could easily see BCS unveiling Bama, FSU, Oregon tomorrow night, we'll see what happens though. FSU should def. jump ohio state,


    this isn't getting decided tomorrow. this is about end of season rankings.

    the BCS math guys have FSU projected to be #2 at the end of the year if they run the table.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by motowner:



    this isn't getting decided tomorrow. this is about end of season rankings.

    the BCS math guys have FSU projected to be #2 at the end of the year if they run the table.

    It was just projected out.........FSU will be a distant 3rd if bama, Oregon, & FSU win out.

     
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    this isn't getting decided tomorrow. this is about end of season rankings.

    the BCS math guys have FSU projected to be #2 at the end of the year if they run the table.

    It was just projected out.........FSU will be a distant 3rd if bama, Oregon, & FSU win out.

     
     
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    It's not even close if Oregon wins out, not close

    Ducks play for the title if they win out, period

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    Ducks play for the title if they win out, period

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2013 - 9:02 PM ET #75

    Like they said they just did the math. Oregon wins out theyre in. Bama wins out theyre in. FSU needs one of them to slip to get in.
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    Like they said they just did the math. Oregon wins out theyre in. Bama wins out theyre in. FSU needs one of them to slip to get in.
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