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    2018 Bowl Under system... 37 - 3 in 2017... Lets Do it Again!

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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 5:45 PM ET #651

    ok msu is locked at 
    23.5 first half under...
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    23.5 first half under...
     
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    There is another thread using Massey defensive ratings to point this out but believe that as we get closer to the playoffs we may need to dive a little deeper.  Using defensive YPP allowed only (from teamrankings . com), out of the 22 bowls played so far the better YPP allowed is 17-5 SU and ATS.  Of the 5 losses, 4 of those had a SOS of 100 or more (out of 129 teams) and the upsetting team had a stronger SOS in all of those (I'm using SOS from footballoutsiders). Also 2 out of the 5 losses were to armed forces schools.  You could say SDSU and Virginia defense didn't show up but those option academy schools are tough to go against and they don't give up.  Otherwise we really haven't seen a defensive "no show".  On the otherhand offenses have no showed (Oregon and Colorado St to a lesser extent, SMU and Toledo totally, and W. Virginia and UCLA due to QB injuries).  And for the most part we haven't seen a good offense struggle in the 1H and then come alive in the 2H (K-State and the Texas Tech/S. Florida game).

    Kinda fits with how this bowl system has worked for so many years.  Maybe because offenses have to act where defenses just have to react?  Not sure but obviously need to look close at the defense.

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    There is another thread using Massey defensive ratings to point this out but believe that as we get closer to the playoffs we may need to dive a little deeper.  Using defensive YPP allowed only (from teamrankings . com), out of the 22 bowls played so far the better YPP allowed is 17-5 SU and ATS.  Of the 5 losses, 4 of those had a SOS of 100 or more (out of 129 teams) and the upsetting team had a stronger SOS in all of those (I'm using SOS from footballoutsiders). Also 2 out of the 5 losses were to armed forces schools.  You could say SDSU and Virginia defense didn't show up but those option academy schools are tough to go against and they don't give up.  Otherwise we really haven't seen a defensive "no show".  On the otherhand offenses have no showed (Oregon and Colorado St to a lesser extent, SMU and Toledo totally, and W. Virginia and UCLA due to QB injuries).  And for the most part we haven't seen a good offense struggle in the 1H and then come alive in the 2H (K-State and the Texas Tech/S. Florida game).

    Kinda fits with how this bowl system has worked for so many years.  Maybe because offenses have to act where defenses just have to react?  Not sure but obviously need to look close at the defense.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 5:54 PM ET #653

    Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll?
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 5:57 PM ET #654

    Add to the total no shows:  SMU, Toledo, Missouri

    Maybe for those looking to get involved in the side as well as these halftime totals this can help.  Live line after Va. Tech scored was still +3.5.

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    Add to the total no shows:  SMU, Toledo, Missouri

    Maybe for those looking to get involved in the side as well as these halftime totals this can help.  Live line after Va. Tech scored was still +3.5.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 6:23 PM ET #655

    What made you decide to lock MSU at 23.5?
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 6:30 PM ET #656

    Another easy winner 
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 7:04 PM ET #657

    Winner on 1H so no play for 2H.  But to note it opened 30 and went to 28.5.

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    Winner on 1H so no play for 2H.  But to note it opened 30 and went to 28.5.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 7:32 PM ET #658

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowcrete:

    Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll?

    I have played 2 sides until today....
    I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...

    To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowcrete:

    Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll?

    I have played 2 sides until today....
    I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...

    To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 7:59 PM ET #659

    Are you on both  9:00 1H unders for TCU (u23 1/2) & MSU (u24 1/2)?
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 8:16 PM ET #660

    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides

    Cam Phillips being out for Va. Tech has certaintly hurt their red zone offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides

    Cam Phillips being out for Va. Tech has certaintly hurt their red zone offense.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 8:40 PM ET #661

    wow, great job on the Hilton contest-what does 10th place get?

    Watch out for teams needing to win not covering and visa versa...
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    Watch out for teams needing to win not covering and visa versa...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 8:51 PM ET #662

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoyasaxa:

    wow, great job on the Hilton contest-what does 10th place get?

    Watch out for teams needing to win not covering and visa versa...

    A lot just google it and the top 50 payouts... Been a stressful week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoyasaxa:

    wow, great job on the Hilton contest-what does 10th place get?

    Watch out for teams needing to win not covering and visa versa...

    A lot just google it and the top 50 payouts... Been a stressful week
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL...

    FWIW I think the Lions will easily cover the -6.5 at home against GB. In a nothing game I can see the Lions rallying a little to do the double against the Packers and send off their coach with a W before his inevitable firing. The Packers, meanwhile, don't have anything to offer with Hundley there and you could really see last week that with the playoffs gone they didn't have the fire, nor do they have many receivers to go with their no-deep-ball QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL...

    FWIW I think the Lions will easily cover the -6.5 at home against GB. In a nothing game I can see the Lions rallying a little to do the double against the Packers and send off their coach with a W before his inevitable firing. The Packers, meanwhile, don't have anything to offer with Hundley there and you could really see last week that with the playoffs gone they didn't have the fire, nor do they have many receivers to go with their no-deep-ball QB.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by garbagetime:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Roggs05: To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL...

    FWIW I think the Lions will easily cover the -6.5 at home against GB. In a nothing game I can see the Lions rallying a little to do the double against the Packers and send off their coach with a W before his inevitable firing. The Packers, meanwhile, don't have anything to offer with Hundley there and you could really see last week that with the playoffs gone they didn't have the fire, nor do they have many receivers to go with their no-deep-ball QB.

    Another...Atlanta -4, after the Vikings beat the Bears at noon, rendering Carolina's result maningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbagetime:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Roggs05: To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL...

    FWIW I think the Lions will easily cover the -6.5 at home against GB. In a nothing game I can see the Lions rallying a little to do the double against the Packers and send off their coach with a W before his inevitable firing. The Packers, meanwhile, don't have anything to offer with Hundley there and you could really see last week that with the playoffs gone they didn't have the fire, nor do they have many receivers to go with their no-deep-ball QB.

    Another...Atlanta -4, after the Vikings beat the Bears at noon, rendering Carolina's result maningless.

     
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    Any guesses as to what the 2nd half total will be for tcu/Stanford? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides
    which you are posted on twitter so i can forllow ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sides
    which you are posted on twitter so i can forllow ?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:25 PM ET #667

    Quote Originally Posted by Legomaheggroll :

    Any guesses as to what the 2nd half total will be for tcu/Stanford? 

    it should be 24... if that number or anything is released higher lock in immediately... they so sick could release 23.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legomaheggroll :

    Any guesses as to what the 2nd half total will be for tcu/Stanford? 

    it should be 24... if that number or anything is released higher lock in immediately... they so sick could release 23.5
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrdish33:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Roggs05: QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sideswhich you are posted on twitter so i can forllow ?
    which name ? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrdish33:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Roggs05: QUOTE Originally Posted by Snowcrete: Hey Roggs, are you playing any sides in these games or are you just happy to let this system roll? I have played 2 sides until today....I played app state and marshall... winners... full transparency I did take va tech tonight as the 3rd side... I have just been posting those on my twitter handle not to bog this thread down...To be honest all my time this week is trying to figure out my 5 hilton plays as many of you have seen I am in 10th headed into final weekend in the NFL... So with the significance of that - and watching totals for this system I have not broken down many sideswhich you are posted on twitter so i can forllow ?
    which name ? 

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by mrdish33] which you are posted on twitter so i can forllow ?

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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:27 PM ET #670

    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:


    it should be 24... if that number or anything is released higher lock in immediately... they so sick could release 23.5

    thank you for that. would you wait at 23.5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:


    it should be 24... if that number or anything is released higher lock in immediately... they so sick could release 23.5

    thank you for that. would you wait at 23.5?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:28 PM ET #671

    Ugh...MSU just scored 21-3. 
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:28 PM ET #672

    i saw about 6 ppl ask why i was waiting on msu at 23.5 all day... theres your answer... guess we get to close our eyes on 2 plays tonight
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    i saw about 6 ppl ask why i was waiting on msu at 23.5 all day... theres your answer... guess we get to close our eyes on 2 plays tonight
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:29 PM ET #673

    I have followed this since beginning and these low 20 lines have lost almost every 1H since beginning of bowl season. I was so close to taking both overs tonight. now we gotta sweat out two halfs. f#$K.
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    I have followed this since beginning and these low 20 lines have lost almost every 1H since beginning of bowl season. I was so close to taking both overs tonight. now we gotta sweat out two halfs. f#$K.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:32 PM ET #674

    under 24.5 stanford 2xs
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2017 - 10:32 PM ET #675

    so we double down on the under in both 2H plays - correct?

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