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    shirley-jester
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 12:59 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    You mean bet against Troy and on South Alabama. I'm sure thats what you meant

    That's what logic would tell you right?

    However, our model suggests wagering on Troy (of all teams).

    Let there be no confustion, We have troy as a 1.20 favorite in this game, and they are getting 5 or so. It's an underdog 4 pts or more from our line.Our model likes this play (beats me!)

    I don't particularly like this game, but I'm betting on it.

    I will be out for several hours, and ill not be available to answer questions.

    If I don't return before the games go off, my best wishes and BOL to all

    Shirley

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    You mean bet against Troy and on South Alabama. I'm sure thats what you meant

    That's what logic would tell you right?

    However, our model suggests wagering on Troy (of all teams).

    Let there be no confustion, We have troy as a 1.20 favorite in this game, and they are getting 5 or so. It's an underdog 4 pts or more from our line.Our model likes this play (beats me!)

    I don't particularly like this game, but I'm betting on it.

    I will be out for several hours, and ill not be available to answer questions.

    If I don't return before the games go off, my best wishes and BOL to all

    Shirley

     

     

     
    winnnachkndinna
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:01 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:


    Sorry its hard to read your numbers the way you organized them. It reads

    Troy 5 -1.2 6.2

    Thought that Troy was 5 point favorite. My mistake

    yea sorry i copy, pasted from excel and it came out all crazy lookin
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:


    Sorry its hard to read your numbers the way you organized them. It reads

    Troy 5 -1.2 6.2

    Thought that Troy was 5 point favorite. My mistake

    yea sorry i copy, pasted from excel and it came out all crazy lookin
     
    shirley-jester
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:02 PM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:


    Sorry its hard to read your numbers the way you organized them. It reads

    Troy 5 -1.2 6.2

    Thought that Troy was 5 point favorite. My mistake

    VV My lines are on page 1 of this thread. Go there, and jsut add 1 point to the Morehead State line and 0.30 points to the Washington line.

    After that, you know what to do.

    I will probably not return until after midnight.

    BOL

    Shirley

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:


    Sorry its hard to read your numbers the way you organized them. It reads

    Troy 5 -1.2 6.2

    Thought that Troy was 5 point favorite. My mistake

    VV My lines are on page 1 of this thread. Go there, and jsut add 1 point to the Morehead State line and 0.30 points to the Washington line.

    After that, you know what to do.

    I will probably not return until after midnight.

    BOL

    Shirley

     
    rawkstarr
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:07 PM ET #79

    Great job Shirley, keep up the good work!
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    Great job Shirley, keep up the good work!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:12 PM ET #80

    shirley,

    can you please post your top 4 plays?  i am having trouble reading your picks since it's difficult to tell if your lines are + or -.
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    shirley,

    can you please post your top 4 plays?  i am having trouble reading your picks since it's difficult to tell if your lines are + or -.
     
    ka4life
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:14 PM ET #81

    can someone help me out with the picks?  havent caught on to the system yet.  i saw the ones with astricks but dont know if the bet is on them or againist them.
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    can someone help me out with the picks?  havent caught on to the system yet.  i saw the ones with astricks but dont know if the bet is on them or againist them.
     
    kkpicks
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:20 PM ET #82

    This is not that difficult. She has posted the teams and the number that her computer says they will win by. So when you see Troy 1.2 that means that the final score will be Troy winning by 1.2 points. If the books line has Troy as the dog, which in this case they do - by 5 - then this is the perfect play, at least according to the computer. (a dog of 4 or more). In the case of Troy tonight, we are getting a dog of 6.2. I don't know if that helped or not.

    Her lines have nothing to do with the line that you are getting from you prospective books. Simply look at it as the total diffenence in the final score and compare it to the line you are getting and bet accordingly. Remember that 4 points or more is optimal either way, dog or favorite with emphasis on the dogs.

    Hope this helped!

    Thanks, and as always GOOD LUCK

    K

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    This is not that difficult. She has posted the teams and the number that her computer says they will win by. So when you see Troy 1.2 that means that the final score will be Troy winning by 1.2 points. If the books line has Troy as the dog, which in this case they do - by 5 - then this is the perfect play, at least according to the computer. (a dog of 4 or more). In the case of Troy tonight, we are getting a dog of 6.2. I don't know if that helped or not.

    Her lines have nothing to do with the line that you are getting from you prospective books. Simply look at it as the total diffenence in the final score and compare it to the line you are getting and bet accordingly. Remember that 4 points or more is optimal either way, dog or favorite with emphasis on the dogs.

    Hope this helped!

    Thanks, and as always GOOD LUCK

    K

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #83

    Take CAL vs wash

    Take TROY vs s alabama

    Take WISC-MIL vs loy-chi

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    Take CAL vs wash

    Take TROY vs s alabama

    Take WISC-MIL vs loy-chi

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #84

    So if your line is Washington 4.8 and the book has it  13.5 what are you saying to bet?
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    So if your line is Washington 4.8 and the book has it  13.5 what are you saying to bet?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #85

    Yes the ********** are plays. You should look at all of the lines she has posted and compare to the lines you can get. There may be other plays as the lines change as well as non plays as the line changes. As Shirley has stated, you have to do the work yourself to see if there is a play and make a decision on your own.

    K

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    Yes the ********** are plays. You should look at all of the lines she has posted and compare to the lines you can get. There may be other plays as the lines change as well as non plays as the line changes. As Shirley has stated, you have to do the work yourself to see if there is a play and make a decision on your own.

    K

     
    ka4life
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:27 PM ET #86

    that helped a ton...thanks and gl
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    that helped a ton...thanks and gl
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:28 PM ET #87

    thanks!!!
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    thanks!!!
     
    kkpicks
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:30 PM ET #88

    Glad I could help!

    K

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    Glad I could help!

    K

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:30 PM ET #89

    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear2009:

    shirley,

    can you please post your top 4 plays?  i am having trouble reading your picks since it's difficult to tell if your lines are + or -.

    At the beginning of the thread, Shirley listed all of the favorites, along with how many points they're giving.  She didn't put the negative sign in front of them because it's assumed.  Take her number as well vs. the number your book has and get the difference.  If the difference is more than 4 it's a solid play because her computer module predicted a spread at least 4 points different than vegas.  These differences arise from public consensus, among other things.  What she is doing, is finding the lines that vegas has manipulated to get even numbers on each side. 

    If Shirley lists Team A 10 pts, but the book has Team A favored by 5 pts, you would take Team A b/c her computer module says they will win by 5 more points than the actual spread.

    If Shirley lists Team B 5 pts, but the book has Team B favored by 10 pts, you would take the opponent (or underdog) of Team B because her computer module says they won't cover the 10 points. 

    Another thing to note is that underdog's are valued more than favorites.  I cannot confirm why this is, but my guess would be because at the end of a game, the team losing is more likely to get a garbage bucket that has no outcome on the winner or loser, only the final score, or the team winning will run out the clock because another basket will not change the outcome of the game.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear2009:

    shirley,

    can you please post your top 4 plays?  i am having trouble reading your picks since it's difficult to tell if your lines are + or -.

    At the beginning of the thread, Shirley listed all of the favorites, along with how many points they're giving.  She didn't put the negative sign in front of them because it's assumed.  Take her number as well vs. the number your book has and get the difference.  If the difference is more than 4 it's a solid play because her computer module predicted a spread at least 4 points different than vegas.  These differences arise from public consensus, among other things.  What she is doing, is finding the lines that vegas has manipulated to get even numbers on each side. 

    If Shirley lists Team A 10 pts, but the book has Team A favored by 5 pts, you would take Team A b/c her computer module says they will win by 5 more points than the actual spread.

    If Shirley lists Team B 5 pts, but the book has Team B favored by 10 pts, you would take the opponent (or underdog) of Team B because her computer module says they won't cover the 10 points. 

    Another thing to note is that underdog's are valued more than favorites.  I cannot confirm why this is, but my guess would be because at the end of a game, the team losing is more likely to get a garbage bucket that has no outcome on the winner or loser, only the final score, or the team winning will run out the clock because another basket will not change the outcome of the game.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:40 PM ET #90

    Hi guys, can you guys help me with these spreads according to shirlys #, from ontario and i just play our sports lottery here.

    penn st - mich st   -6.5

    wrst....btlr...-9.5

    cali.....wash.  -13.5

    fresno st.....boise  -8.5

    stanford.... wash st    -8.5

    gonza. -8.5.... loyl.

    st marys  -6.5 .....scal

    thanks guys i appreciate it

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    Hi guys, can you guys help me with these spreads according to shirlys #, from ontario and i just play our sports lottery here.

    penn st - mich st   -6.5

    wrst....btlr...-9.5

    cali.....wash.  -13.5

    fresno st.....boise  -8.5

    stanford.... wash st    -8.5

    gonza. -8.5.... loyl.

    st marys  -6.5 .....scal

    thanks guys i appreciate it

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:43 PM ET #91

    Quote Originally Posted by ironpat:

    Hi guys, can you guys help me with these spreads according to shirlys #, from ontario and i just play our sports lottery here.

    penn st - mich st   -6.5

    wrst....btlr...-9.5

    cali.....wash.  -13.5

    fresno st.....boise  -8.5

    stanford.... wash st    -8.5

    gonza. -8.5.... loyl.

    st marys  -6.5 .....scal

    thanks guys i appreciate it

    According to Shirleys numbers, you would only play two of those games: CAL +13.5 and Gonzaga -8.5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpat:

    Hi guys, can you guys help me with these spreads according to shirlys #, from ontario and i just play our sports lottery here.

    penn st - mich st   -6.5

    wrst....btlr...-9.5

    cali.....wash.  -13.5

    fresno st.....boise  -8.5

    stanford.... wash st    -8.5

    gonza. -8.5.... loyl.

    st marys  -6.5 .....scal

    thanks guys i appreciate it

    According to Shirleys numbers, you would only play two of those games: CAL +13.5 and Gonzaga -8.5

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 1:44 PM ET #92

    GOOD INFO............THANKS...........GL TODAY
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    GOOD INFO............THANKS...........GL TODAY
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 2:24 PM ET #93

    Troy is a no play for me now as it is +5 on bookmaker
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    Troy is a no play for me now as it is +5 on bookmaker
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 2:25 PM ET #94

    thanks zoopdog, thats the problem here those were the only games on our list that was on her list, we only have 12 games on the card tonight , it's nothing like vegas but anyways thanks again & gl
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    thanks zoopdog, thats the problem here those were the only games on our list that was on her list, we only have 12 games on the card tonight , it's nothing like vegas but anyways thanks again & gl
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 2:50 PM ET #95

    Quote Originally Posted by SonnySixKill:

    Troy is a no play for me now as it is +5 on bookmaker


    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonnySixKill:

    Troy is a no play for me now as it is +5 on bookmaker


    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2011 - 2:55 PM ET #96

    Quote Originally Posted by BUDWlSER:



    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

     

    You are 100% correct!

    Shirley has Troy as a 1.20 favorite in her computer model & they are a +5 dog at bookmaker making Troy a play of 4 points or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUDWlSER:



    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

     

    You are 100% correct!

    Shirley has Troy as a 1.20 favorite in her computer model & they are a +5 dog at bookmaker making Troy a play of 4 points or more.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUDWlSER:



    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
    I stand corrected, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUDWlSER:



    I don't think that is correct.
    Shirley has them as a 1.20 pt favorite.  BM has them as a +5 pt DOG.  This equals a 6.2 point difference, and she says dog plays are better plays also.

    (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
    I stand corrected, thanks.
     
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    So let me get this straight, Wash is 4.80 according to shirleys card on page 1, So I subtract 4.80 with -13 from pointspread to get -8.2, Right?  Someone let me know if I'm on the right track, What is the -8.2 meaning?
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    So let me get this straight, Wash is 4.80 according to shirleys card on page 1, So I subtract 4.80 with -13 from pointspread to get -8.2, Right?  Someone let me know if I'm on the right track, What is the -8.2 meaning?
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by jaybosstein] So let me get this straight, Wash is 4.80 according to shirleys card on page 1, So I subtract 4.80 with -13 from pointspread to get -8.2, Right?  Someone let me know if I'm on the right track, What is the -8.2 meaning? [/Quote]  Basically Shirley puts the winning margin for the team listed.  With current odds you should play the dog if there is a 4 point difference.  Most people got this messed up with the Troy 1.2 and seeing a 5 point line.  What they fail to realize is that South Alabama is favored so u are actually getting points +5 when Shirley's model states Troy (could/should) win outright.  Basically take the games with the ***** and go with the dogs for best results.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by jaybosstein] So let me get this straight, Wash is 4.80 according to shirleys card on page 1, So I subtract 4.80 with -13 from pointspread to get -8.2, Right?  Someone let me know if I'm on the right track, What is the -8.2 meaning? [/Quote]  Basically Shirley puts the winning margin for the team listed.  With current odds you should play the dog if there is a 4 point difference.  Most people got this messed up with the Troy 1.2 and seeing a 5 point line.  What they fail to realize is that South Alabama is favored so u are actually getting points +5 when Shirley's model states Troy (could/should) win outright.  Basically take the games with the ***** and go with the dogs for best results.
     
     
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