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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 9:29 AM ET #1

    My tourney results so far based off of my raw numbers, and following my usual   wagering suggestion is 10-3. I personally am 5-0, as I am more conservative than most, and try to eliminate as many games as possible, being left with only high advantage selections.

    A more detailed analysis of my selection method is contained within the other thread. A copy of some of this posting is also contained within the other thread. I apologize for the duplication, but this simply makes it easy for anyone interested in my numbers to locate them with minimal effort.

    Day 1   6-3

    Day 2   4-0

    I have a couple of comments on all of Saturday's games, before posting the lines.

    For me, I find this a difficult time of the year to get a significant edge on games. I have stated that the lines are tighter (by about .60 points) than they were earlier in the year. Additionally more games will fall within a smaller window of results (smaller standard deviation by about .60 points), so you are getting squeezed by the tighter lines and the extra value of each possession.  This is an undeniable mathematical fact. I can actually "feel" this when watching games this time of the year, and I know you probably also feel the same way.

    If you are wagering on 6 of 8 games, and you think you have an edge, you are a great handicapper, and much better than I am. I have to pull all stops out to hit 59% in this tournament, and really feel uncomfortable making almost any wager, so I am EXTREMELY selective, all the while knowing that the books are very good from here on out.

    Can we still win? Of course, but don't think you have an edge wagering on evey game  or 75% of the games. You're just fooling yourself, unless you are really, really, really, really good. Enough said.

    Keeping all of the above in mind, and making all of my adjustments for conference vs conference, we come up with the following UNEXCITING numbers:

    BC 4.10

    Ky 2.60

    Fla 5.60

    Rich 3.40

    Pitt 8.20

    Gonzaga 1.30

    Wisc 3.20

    Uconn 6.40

    Cl St 4.40

    W Mich 0.70

    Hawaii 2.30

    There are no games that qualify as wagers, and this is not surprising. Unfortunately, the books numbers and my own seem to be converging. This doesn't bode well for the rest of the tourney using my methods.

    If you were to ask me to pick a game, I might say USF. However, I am in no way saying to wager on this game. It just appears to offer more value than any other event.

    A possible idea I would suggest is to take advantage of the tighter lines and smaller standard deviation, by making a money line play. If you have a strong opinion on a game, or if you follow one of my suggested handicappers on this site, and they can convince you of their selection, and you like my number, go with the ML.

    This way you are "capturing the value of the tighter line, in addition to the value of the smaller standard deviation of game results.

    I will try to post Sundays lines, time permitting. Best of luck

    Shirley

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    My tourney results so far based off of my raw numbers, and following my usual   wagering suggestion is 10-3. I personally am 5-0, as I am more conservative than most, and try to eliminate as many games as possible, being left with only high advantage selections.

    A more detailed analysis of my selection method is contained within the other thread. A copy of some of this posting is also contained within the other thread. I apologize for the duplication, but this simply makes it easy for anyone interested in my numbers to locate them with minimal effort.

    Day 1   6-3

    Day 2   4-0

    I have a couple of comments on all of Saturday's games, before posting the lines.

    For me, I find this a difficult time of the year to get a significant edge on games. I have stated that the lines are tighter (by about .60 points) than they were earlier in the year. Additionally more games will fall within a smaller window of results (smaller standard deviation by about .60 points), so you are getting squeezed by the tighter lines and the extra value of each possession.  This is an undeniable mathematical fact. I can actually "feel" this when watching games this time of the year, and I know you probably also feel the same way.

    If you are wagering on 6 of 8 games, and you think you have an edge, you are a great handicapper, and much better than I am. I have to pull all stops out to hit 59% in this tournament, and really feel uncomfortable making almost any wager, so I am EXTREMELY selective, all the while knowing that the books are very good from here on out.

    Can we still win? Of course, but don't think you have an edge wagering on evey game  or 75% of the games. You're just fooling yourself, unless you are really, really, really, really good. Enough said.

    Keeping all of the above in mind, and making all of my adjustments for conference vs conference, we come up with the following UNEXCITING numbers:

    BC 4.10

    Ky 2.60

    Fla 5.60

    Rich 3.40

    Pitt 8.20

    Gonzaga 1.30

    Wisc 3.20

    Uconn 6.40

    Cl St 4.40

    W Mich 0.70

    Hawaii 2.30

    There are no games that qualify as wagers, and this is not surprising. Unfortunately, the books numbers and my own seem to be converging. This doesn't bode well for the rest of the tourney using my methods.

    If you were to ask me to pick a game, I might say USF. However, I am in no way saying to wager on this game. It just appears to offer more value than any other event.

    A possible idea I would suggest is to take advantage of the tighter lines and smaller standard deviation, by making a money line play. If you have a strong opinion on a game, or if you follow one of my suggested handicappers on this site, and they can convince you of their selection, and you like my number, go with the ML.

    This way you are "capturing the value of the tighter line, in addition to the value of the smaller standard deviation of game results.

    I will try to post Sundays lines, time permitting. Best of luck

    Shirley

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 9:57 AM ET #2

    Hey Shirley,

    Nothing's changed -- your info and perspective are still the nuts!

    I like San Diego State to cover today but didn't see a your spot on it. Just wondering before I shoot the moon on it what you had.

    Thanks.

    BOL,

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    Hey Shirley,

    Nothing's changed -- your info and perspective are still the nuts!

    I like San Diego State to cover today but didn't see a your spot on it. Just wondering before I shoot the moon on it what you had.

    Thanks.

    BOL,

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:12 AM ET #3

    RebelTell2

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have been up all night after spending all of Friday at a Florida Theme Park. So whatever brain cells I have, are operating  at 50% of their full capability.

    My line is SDS 6.40 over Temple. Another no play for me.

    BOL

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    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have been up all night after spending all of Friday at a Florida Theme Park. So whatever brain cells I have, are operating  at 50% of their full capability.

    My line is SDS 6.40 over Temple. Another no play for me.

    BOL

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:15 AM ET #4

    Shirley hammered  that  nc over  thank you. You have any total plays
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    Shirley hammered  that  nc over  thank you. You have any total plays
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:25 AM ET #5

    Yeah....that was my strongest play of the day.  Thanks for all the hard work you do.  These posts must take a long time to write and the multiple follow-ups are sweeeeeeeeet!  UNC OVER 1H.....
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    Yeah....that was my strongest play of the day.  Thanks for all the hard work you do.  These posts must take a long time to write and the multiple follow-ups are sweeeeeeeeet!  UNC OVER 1H.....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:27 AM ET #6

    BOL
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:29 AM ET #7

    Paramedic83

    I glad it all worked out for everyone. They tourney is 1/2 over, and that will no doubt be my best bet. Not because of the result, but because of the situation. The facts literally JUMPED off the page, and you had to be blind not too see the obvious.

    No total plays today, sorry. BOL

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    I glad it all worked out for everyone. They tourney is 1/2 over, and that will no doubt be my best bet. Not because of the result, but because of the situation. The facts literally JUMPED off the page, and you had to be blind not too see the obvious.

    No total plays today, sorry. BOL

    Shirley

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:35 AM ET #8

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    Yes, this has taken a toll on me, as I have been up all night on the phone and the computers, putting together the lines to NOT bet. I wasn't kidding when I said I probably put more time in for less wagers than anyone on this site. It's the truth.

    Soon I will be asleep, and I really can't wait to pass out.

    SportsMoneyNow

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    Yes, this has taken a toll on me, as I have been up all night on the phone and the computers, putting together the lines to NOT bet. I wasn't kidding when I said I probably put more time in for less wagers than anyone on this site. It's the truth.

    Soon I will be asleep, and I really can't wait to pass out.

    SportsMoneyNow

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:40 AM ET #9

    i appreciate your methodology and admire your disciple. GL
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:44 AM ET #10

    wouldnt uconn be a play at -3.5?
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:52 AM ET #11

    Billywaddy

    Thank you for you nice comment. It's all about discipline. Find your edge, quantify it, make the appropriate wager, then comes tomorrow.

    I have an uncanny ability to guess a pesons weight within 5 lbs, almost 95% of the time. Most women I know hate my special talent. I was taken by my daughter this morning for 8 dollars plus the cost of a "vente" Starbucks drink. I guessed her weight at the park last night, and she is literally all muscle, so I had to add an extra 10-11% to my "visual inspection", because muscle weighs more than fat. That little devil consumed 2 packages of cookies and was drinking water continously before the official weigh in time. She didn't even use the bathroom! She won her wager by 1 pound. I didn't use discipline in my wager with my daughter, and was taken to the cleaners. Next time I'll hide the cookies and shut the water off!

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    Thank you for you nice comment. It's all about discipline. Find your edge, quantify it, make the appropriate wager, then comes tomorrow.

    I have an uncanny ability to guess a pesons weight within 5 lbs, almost 95% of the time. Most women I know hate my special talent. I was taken by my daughter this morning for 8 dollars plus the cost of a "vente" Starbucks drink. I guessed her weight at the park last night, and she is literally all muscle, so I had to add an extra 10-11% to my "visual inspection", because muscle weighs more than fat. That little devil consumed 2 packages of cookies and was drinking water continously before the official weigh in time. She didn't even use the bathroom! She won her wager by 1 pound. I didn't use discipline in my wager with my daughter, and was taken to the cleaners. Next time I'll hide the cookies and shut the water off!

    Shirley

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:52 AM ET #12

    Hi Shirley, I also played the North Carolina over yesterday based on what you said in previous thread.


    Good luck with you weekend plays and I agree with being selective on the rest of the plays.


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    Hi Shirley, I also played the North Carolina over yesterday based on what you said in previous thread.


    Good luck with you weekend plays and I agree with being selective on the rest of the plays.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 10:58 AM ET #13

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    Uconn, as all favorites have to have a "delta"  ,or difference, of 4 points from my posted line to make them a play. Personally, because of my conservative nature, I will not wager on any favorite in the tournament. I hope this clears this matter up for you.

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    Uconn, as all favorites have to have a "delta"  ,or difference, of 4 points from my posted line to make them a play. Personally, because of my conservative nature, I will not wager on any favorite in the tournament. I hope this clears this matter up for you.

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:02 AM ET #14

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    If I can eliminate 1 winner and 1 loser, I have saved money. Also, I might need those extra dollars to pay off future lsoing wagers to my daughter.

    Shirley

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    If I can eliminate 1 winner and 1 loser, I have saved money. Also, I might need those extra dollars to pay off future lsoing wagers to my daughter.

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:04 AM ET #15

    Goodnight all, going to sleep for a few hours.

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    Goodnight all, going to sleep for a few hours.

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:05 AM ET #16

    Thank you.
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:08 AM ET #17

    very exacting analysis supra; only game I like today is BYU $$$$ Line $$$$
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    very exacting analysis supra; only game I like today is BYU $$$$ Line $$$$
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowndaking:

    very exacting analysis supra; only game I like today is BYU $$$$ Line $$$$
    With you my friend on this one  VERY LARGE BOL---------THANKS SHIRLEY
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowndaking:

    very exacting analysis supra; only game I like today is BYU $$$$ Line $$$$
    With you my friend on this one  VERY LARGE BOL---------THANKS SHIRLEY
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:16 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by gman21000:

    With you my friend on this one  VERY LARGE BOL---------THANKS SHIRLEY


    With Davies in my estimation they could take it all this year; I witnessed Fredette light up UNM for 52pts in the MWC tourney; one word: WOW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gman21000:

    With you my friend on this one  VERY LARGE BOL---------THANKS SHIRLEY


    With Davies in my estimation they could take it all this year; I witnessed Fredette light up UNM for 52pts in the MWC tourney; one word: WOW!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:22 AM ET #20

    Crowndaking

    Gman21000

    BOL  My line is Gonzaga 1.30, a no play for me. I hope you win, but I can't pull the trigger on anything today, not even this $ line play.

    Shirley

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    BOL  My line is Gonzaga 1.30, a no play for me. I hope you win, but I can't pull the trigger on anything today, not even this $ line play.

    Shirley

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:25 AM ET #21

    Jimmer is tough on the road. He played in a prison against the inmates, so he is used to a hostile environment. This is a true story!

    Shirley

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    Jimmer is tough on the road. He played in a prison against the inmates, so he is used to a hostile environment. This is a true story!

    Shirley

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:28 AM ET #22

    Richmond -5 now
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:29 AM ET #23

    Gonzaga -1 now
    Line moving wrong way
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    Gonzaga -1 now
    Line moving wrong way
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:29 AM ET #24

    You said a possible play is USF. Did you mean Florida?
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2011 - 11:31 AM ET #25

    Shirley-Jester....I really am a BIG FAN & Believer in mathmatical probablities in sports... great job...

    My question is... Do you run any formulas in the NHL or MLB?

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    Shirley-Jester....I really am a BIG FAN & Believer in mathmatical probablities in sports... great job...

    My question is... Do you run any formulas in the NHL or MLB?

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