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    nropp11
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:23 PM ET #1

    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 31-34, +6.80
    December Leans: 27-36


    3* Lasalle -2.5
    3* SEMO +2
    2* Georgia Southern/South Alabama Over 134
    1* South Florida +2.5
    1* Arizona State +1.5
    1* UC Riverside/San Diego State Under 120.5
    1* Missouri KC/Michigan State Under 134.5
    1* Wyoming/Denver Under 116
    Lean: Fresno State +12.5
    Lean: UIC +1.5
    Lean: Rice +5.5
    Lean: Temple/Rice Over 140
    Lean: Southern Miss/Arizona State Under 132
    Lean: TCU/USC Over 116

    Questions on any game, just ask. The way this week sets up from a "volume" standpoint is scary, just looking to survive (probable that I have 30-35 plays and another 30 leans).

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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 31-34, +6.80
    December Leans: 27-36


    3* Lasalle -2.5
    3* SEMO +2
    2* Georgia Southern/South Alabama Over 134
    1* South Florida +2.5
    1* Arizona State +1.5
    1* UC Riverside/San Diego State Under 120.5
    1* Missouri KC/Michigan State Under 134.5
    1* Wyoming/Denver Under 116
    Lean: Fresno State +12.5
    Lean: UIC +1.5
    Lean: Rice +5.5
    Lean: Temple/Rice Over 140
    Lean: Southern Miss/Arizona State Under 132
    Lean: TCU/USC Over 116

    Questions on any game, just ask. The way this week sets up from a "volume" standpoint is scary, just looking to survive (probable that I have 30-35 plays and another 30 leans).

    GL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #2

    wow, huge card for a Monday.. BOL nropp!
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    wow, huge card for a Monday.. BOL nropp!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:28 PM ET #3

    Hi nropp, could you give me a couple sentences on why you like ASU? Thanks and good luck!
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    Hi nropp, could you give me a couple sentences on why you like ASU? Thanks and good luck!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #4

    I am going big on the UMKC/MSU Over 133 . Mich St will kill the boards and probably put up 90.....UMKC already shoots over 20 3's per game and hits almost 38%, so with the disadvantage down low I expect them to fire 30 or more....I had this around a 92-70 final score

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    I am going big on the UMKC/MSU Over 133 . Mich St will kill the boards and probably put up 90.....UMKC already shoots over 20 3's per game and hits almost 38%, so with the disadvantage down low I expect them to fire 30 or more....I had this around a 92-70 final score

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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:34 PM ET #5

    Go Luck!  Getttt Em ! 

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    Go Luck!  Getttt Em ! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:44 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by duanedibley:

    Hi nropp, could you give me a couple sentences on why you like ASU? Thanks and good luck!

    Southern Miss is coming off of revenge and their national championship against an in-state competitor in which they rallied late to win. They only played seven players that game, and have realistically only played 8 guys on the year. They have no depth. Now they fly across country against a team with some size, and against a Herb Sendek defense that mixes in some zone. Southern Miss has won ballgames solely on getting to the foul line and their outside shooting, even though they don't shoot a lot from out there. Arizona State's size and the bit of time they go to zone will force Southern Miss to hit shots in a bit of a slower setting. Just my opinion, though. I would agree that Southern Miss is probably a more talented team, but depending on them to continue hitting those outside shots on short rest and travel with as many minutes as these guys are playing is not a spot I would want my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duanedibley:

    Hi nropp, could you give me a couple sentences on why you like ASU? Thanks and good luck!

    Southern Miss is coming off of revenge and their national championship against an in-state competitor in which they rallied late to win. They only played seven players that game, and have realistically only played 8 guys on the year. They have no depth. Now they fly across country against a team with some size, and against a Herb Sendek defense that mixes in some zone. Southern Miss has won ballgames solely on getting to the foul line and their outside shooting, even though they don't shoot a lot from out there. Arizona State's size and the bit of time they go to zone will force Southern Miss to hit shots in a bit of a slower setting. Just my opinion, though. I would agree that Southern Miss is probably a more talented team, but depending on them to continue hitting those outside shots on short rest and travel with as many minutes as these guys are playing is not a spot I would want my money.

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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:47 PM ET #7

    I can't bring myself to begin to mess with SEMO, but would like to hear your thoughts about the LaSalle play. LaSalle was a side I originally had circled but havent added it to my card. Thanks man!
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    I can't bring myself to begin to mess with SEMO, but would like to hear your thoughts about the LaSalle play. LaSalle was a side I originally had circled but havent added it to my card. Thanks man!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:47 PM ET #8

    Thanks a lot for the in depth analysis. What you said makes a lot of sense. BOL.
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    Thanks a lot for the in depth analysis. What you said makes a lot of sense. BOL.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:54 PM ET #9

    Hey NROPP.

    I'm a bit surprised you don't have Boise St. listed as one of your plays.
    They are a terrific home team coming off two losses to quality teams.
    And Fresno state is not good to begin with, but now they go on the road where they cant stop anyone.
    Would love to  hear your thoughts, as I am considering a very large play on Boise St.
    Thanks man
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    Hey NROPP.

    I'm a bit surprised you don't have Boise St. listed as one of your plays.
    They are a terrific home team coming off two losses to quality teams.
    And Fresno state is not good to begin with, but now they go on the road where they cant stop anyone.
    Would love to  hear your thoughts, as I am considering a very large play on Boise St.
    Thanks man
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:55 PM ET #10

    Neil -  I saw Jfen31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?
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    Neil -  I saw Jfen31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:56 PM ET #11

    nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road?
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    nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 1:59 PM ET #12

    NROPP-

    Two games I have questions on. Well 3. Surprised you lean USFAny insight why as I know they are a decent home team. And very surprised on the Rice lean. If you can please help me that would be greatly appreciated.

    Also how what are your takes on the Creighton/Tulsa match up. Lean Tulsa as they are big and a decent team from what I have seen but Creighton and McDermitt is hard to stop.

     

    Thanks in advance

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    NROPP-

    Two games I have questions on. Well 3. Surprised you lean USFAny insight why as I know they are a decent home team. And very surprised on the Rice lean. If you can please help me that would be greatly appreciated.

    Also how what are your takes on the Creighton/Tulsa match up. Lean Tulsa as they are big and a decent team from what I have seen but Creighton and McDermitt is hard to stop.

     

    Thanks in advance

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:05 PM ET #13

    Any thoughts on the temple rice game. There was a nice write up in this forum about it. All arrows point to temple. also any ideas about that Marquette game. Thanks.
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    Any thoughts on the temple rice game. There was a nice write up in this forum about it. All arrows point to temple. also any ideas about that Marquette game. Thanks.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:10 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    I am going big on the UMKC/MSU Over 133 . Mich St will kill the boards and probably put up 90.....UMKC already shoots over 20 3's per game and hits almost 38%, so with the disadvantage down low I expect them to fire 30 or more....I had this around a 92-70 final score

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    If Izzo's defense gives up 70 tonight, he will go apesh*t as Missouri KC hasn't gone over 70 against a top 100 team since January 2008 (coincidentally that came against your Missouri squad who played multiple 80 possession games that year). Izzo has shown the ability to play Trice a bit more than Appling at the guard position when he needs defense, so I assume Trice gets the bulk of the minutes tonight guarding Chamberlain (who will be attempting all of those three's), thus taking Appling out of the game from an offensive standpoint. The high # of three's attempted is a cause for concern for any under, but the only comparable opponent in terms of shooting such a high volume from the outside was Wisky MKE and they held them to 5/25. I think if Missouri KC hits ten or eleven from the outside tonight, I'm not sure where the other points are going to come from. If I get what I want early, this thing will be a snail in the 2H.

    Here's their point totals against similar competition dating back to that Missouri game in 2008:

    31
    52
    64
    52
    48
    52
    54
    57
    56
    65
    62
    60
    54
    49
    62
    62
    62

    Almost all of these games where they hit 60+ came against conference foes where the familiarity factor is there, either that or playing a conference team like Oakland or North Dakota State who likes to get up and down, and up and down some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    I am going big on the UMKC/MSU Over 133 . Mich St will kill the boards and probably put up 90.....UMKC already shoots over 20 3's per game and hits almost 38%, so with the disadvantage down low I expect them to fire 30 or more....I had this around a 92-70 final score

    bol nr




    If Izzo's defense gives up 70 tonight, he will go apesh*t as Missouri KC hasn't gone over 70 against a top 100 team since January 2008 (coincidentally that came against your Missouri squad who played multiple 80 possession games that year). Izzo has shown the ability to play Trice a bit more than Appling at the guard position when he needs defense, so I assume Trice gets the bulk of the minutes tonight guarding Chamberlain (who will be attempting all of those three's), thus taking Appling out of the game from an offensive standpoint. The high # of three's attempted is a cause for concern for any under, but the only comparable opponent in terms of shooting such a high volume from the outside was Wisky MKE and they held them to 5/25. I think if Missouri KC hits ten or eleven from the outside tonight, I'm not sure where the other points are going to come from. If I get what I want early, this thing will be a snail in the 2H.

    Here's their point totals against similar competition dating back to that Missouri game in 2008:

    31
    52
    64
    52
    48
    52
    54
    57
    56
    65
    62
    60
    54
    49
    62
    62
    62

    Almost all of these games where they hit 60+ came against conference foes where the familiarity factor is there, either that or playing a conference team like Oakland or North Dakota State who likes to get up and down, and up and down some more.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:19 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by jayhawk05:

    I can't bring myself to begin to mess with SEMO, but would like to hear your thoughts about the LaSalle play. LaSalle was a side I originally had circled but havent added it to my card. Thanks man!

    I’ve commented on this a few times before this year, but the way that Delaware operates from an offensive standpoint isn’t really the strongest type of team for me to back in any situation, let alone one that is going to come within a few possessions in terms of a value standpoint. The Saddler kid is now attempting 38% of this teams shots, and while he isn’t the most efficient player, any person who attempts that many shots is going to put up some good numbers. Along with Saddler, they’ve also found another scoring threat in Hagins, but not as much of a threat as most would think. He’s attempting 21% of the team’s shots (yes two players account for almost 60% of their shot attempts), but he’s no more than an in the paint type of player, and from what I’ve seen, most of his attempts are coming on Saddler’s misses. Other than that, this team outside of them is made up of a few role players, primarily in the game for a defensive presence. LaSalle is young, but they haven’t really played anyone in this latest five game winning streak and not generally the type of team I like playing on the road laying any kind of chalk. However, the defense has been absurdly good, especially on the perimeter. Four of the five starters are currently "on the board" in terms of forcing turnovers, and three of those come at the guard position. Coincidentally, their two best on the ball defenders rank in the top 100 (out of about 3,800 players), and those are the two that will be guarding Saddler and Hagins as I’ve noted above. If Saddler and Hagins shot attempts are down, Delaware is going to need another source of offense come from somewhere else not only from the standpoint of shooting more than normal, but the standpoint of producing more than normal. Really, this game comes down to two things. One, will Delaware get caught up in the up and down hectic pace that LaSalle wants to play at? My answer is yes, I believe so. When you have a few players hoisting tons of shots, and the rest of your team is young, and have little crowd or cheering section, more than likely you aren’t going to be able to slow them down. And two, how well does Delaware defend LaSalle’s shooters? It sounds so cliché, but if you’ve read any of my analysis for the better part of the past two or three years, this Delaware defense really allows a crazy # of shot attempts b/c they sit back in a man-to-man (I would almost call it a modified match-up zone). They rarely, if ever take chances on getting steals and when they do occur, it’s more a product of the offense turning the ball over or forcing mistakes upon themselves (something LaSalle just doesn’t do against these types of defenses).  Take a glance at what they’ve done this year. They played Pitt tough and lost to Villanova in OT, two teams that don’t look to take risks defensively. Four out of their last five games have come against a majority of teams who like to slow the pace, and incorporate a style that allows you to get shots within your offense (ranking #319, #322, #247, and #277). When you get in the flow of your offense, you’re bound to get good looks, and as long as that flow continues and nothing is drastically changing, then you are going to have opportunities to score, also noting the fact that with their pressure defense, they’re getting a ridiculous amount of “extra” opportunities. Both this year and last year with the youth, Delaware has gotten worse as last year they were dead last at #345 in forcing turnovers, and this year they stand at #344. LaSalle has been crazy good from the perimeter this year, so it’s something to keep an eye on. Both teams have had more than a week to prep, so I’ll be curious to see if either coach makes any changes. If they don’t, then this line is a clear indication of what’s going to happen tonight, and LaSalle has numerous advantages here, especially if they can play as fast as they want. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhawk05:

    I can't bring myself to begin to mess with SEMO, but would like to hear your thoughts about the LaSalle play. LaSalle was a side I originally had circled but havent added it to my card. Thanks man!

    I’ve commented on this a few times before this year, but the way that Delaware operates from an offensive standpoint isn’t really the strongest type of team for me to back in any situation, let alone one that is going to come within a few possessions in terms of a value standpoint. The Saddler kid is now attempting 38% of this teams shots, and while he isn’t the most efficient player, any person who attempts that many shots is going to put up some good numbers. Along with Saddler, they’ve also found another scoring threat in Hagins, but not as much of a threat as most would think. He’s attempting 21% of the team’s shots (yes two players account for almost 60% of their shot attempts), but he’s no more than an in the paint type of player, and from what I’ve seen, most of his attempts are coming on Saddler’s misses. Other than that, this team outside of them is made up of a few role players, primarily in the game for a defensive presence. LaSalle is young, but they haven’t really played anyone in this latest five game winning streak and not generally the type of team I like playing on the road laying any kind of chalk. However, the defense has been absurdly good, especially on the perimeter. Four of the five starters are currently "on the board" in terms of forcing turnovers, and three of those come at the guard position. Coincidentally, their two best on the ball defenders rank in the top 100 (out of about 3,800 players), and those are the two that will be guarding Saddler and Hagins as I’ve noted above. If Saddler and Hagins shot attempts are down, Delaware is going to need another source of offense come from somewhere else not only from the standpoint of shooting more than normal, but the standpoint of producing more than normal. Really, this game comes down to two things. One, will Delaware get caught up in the up and down hectic pace that LaSalle wants to play at? My answer is yes, I believe so. When you have a few players hoisting tons of shots, and the rest of your team is young, and have little crowd or cheering section, more than likely you aren’t going to be able to slow them down. And two, how well does Delaware defend LaSalle’s shooters? It sounds so cliché, but if you’ve read any of my analysis for the better part of the past two or three years, this Delaware defense really allows a crazy # of shot attempts b/c they sit back in a man-to-man (I would almost call it a modified match-up zone). They rarely, if ever take chances on getting steals and when they do occur, it’s more a product of the offense turning the ball over or forcing mistakes upon themselves (something LaSalle just doesn’t do against these types of defenses).  Take a glance at what they’ve done this year. They played Pitt tough and lost to Villanova in OT, two teams that don’t look to take risks defensively. Four out of their last five games have come against a majority of teams who like to slow the pace, and incorporate a style that allows you to get shots within your offense (ranking #319, #322, #247, and #277). When you get in the flow of your offense, you’re bound to get good looks, and as long as that flow continues and nothing is drastically changing, then you are going to have opportunities to score, also noting the fact that with their pressure defense, they’re getting a ridiculous amount of “extra” opportunities. Both this year and last year with the youth, Delaware has gotten worse as last year they were dead last at #345 in forcing turnovers, and this year they stand at #344. LaSalle has been crazy good from the perimeter this year, so it’s something to keep an eye on. Both teams have had more than a week to prep, so I’ll be curious to see if either coach makes any changes. If they don’t, then this line is a clear indication of what’s going to happen tonight, and LaSalle has numerous advantages here, especially if they can play as fast as they want. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquorinfront:

    Neil -  I saw Jfen

    31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?

    Yes, I was all over SMU here and I'd like to know why such a lg. rating on SEMO St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquorinfront:

    Neil -  I saw Jfen

    31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?

    Yes, I was all over SMU here and I'd like to know why such a lg. rating on SEMO St.

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by dangor2] nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road? [/Quote

    Yes, I was all over SMU here and I'd like to know why such a lg. rating on SEMO St.

    sorry for the double post

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by dangor2] nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road? [/Quote

    Yes, I was all over SMU here and I'd like to know why such a lg. rating on SEMO St.

    sorry for the double post

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLJOE:

    Hey NROPP.

    I'm a bit surprised you don't have Boise St. listed as one of your plays.
    They are a terrific home team coming off two losses to quality teams.
    And Fresno state is not good to begin with, but now they go on the road where they cant stop anyone.
    Would love to  hear your thoughts, as I am considering a very large play on Boise St.
    Thanks man

    I was under the impression that if I didn’t get a good effort from Boise State at Denver on Saturday (which I didn’t), it was probably going to be a while before I get another spot where they look juicy. So, I’m leaning Fresno State here. Boise just embarked on a two game roady at LSU and Denver, against two drastically different styles of play and have to rebound here with no prep against another awkward style in Fresno State, then go to Iowa, rival Idaho, and grab Fresno again. Both teams on short rest against really, really, weird styles (Poly & Denver). Assume both teams are eager to get out and go. Just a rough spot. Familiarity is there as the teams have played twice a year (sometimes three times), even though Boise has gone to the MWC.
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    Hey NROPP.

    I'm a bit surprised you don't have Boise St. listed as one of your plays.
    They are a terrific home team coming off two losses to quality teams.
    And Fresno state is not good to begin with, but now they go on the road where they cant stop anyone.
    Would love to  hear your thoughts, as I am considering a very large play on Boise St.
    Thanks man

    I was under the impression that if I didn’t get a good effort from Boise State at Denver on Saturday (which I didn’t), it was probably going to be a while before I get another spot where they look juicy. So, I’m leaning Fresno State here. Boise just embarked on a two game roady at LSU and Denver, against two drastically different styles of play and have to rebound here with no prep against another awkward style in Fresno State, then go to Iowa, rival Idaho, and grab Fresno again. Both teams on short rest against really, really, weird styles (Poly & Denver). Assume both teams are eager to get out and go. Just a rough spot. Familiarity is there as the teams have played twice a year (sometimes three times), even though Boise has gone to the MWC.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:35 PM ET #19

    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC

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    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquorinfront:

    Neil -  I saw Jfen31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?

    Big size advantage for WVU and they have the guards to beat TT's press which should lead to a ton of second chance points and easy opportunities in transition. Game really comes down to how well Murphy plays for Tech. He's had an outstanding year so far, but he hasn't faced any size and Tech as a team hasn't faced near the strength of defense they will face tonight. If Tech had a bit more depth at the guard position, I might take a look, but I think Huggins will make this a track meet if Tech presses, and wear down Tech's guards. Slight look ahead for WVU to Vegas (I say slight b/c Huggins was complaining about effort last time out), but maybe a bit of a letdown for Tech's win at Evansville.

    Tough game IMO.

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    Neil -  I saw Jfen31 was looking at Tenn Tech +16.  I like it, too.  Neither team has time to prepare for this game.  This seems like a good value with WVA having the Spartans and Bears on deck. Your take?

    Big size advantage for WVU and they have the guards to beat TT's press which should lead to a ton of second chance points and easy opportunities in transition. Game really comes down to how well Murphy plays for Tech. He's had an outstanding year so far, but he hasn't faced any size and Tech as a team hasn't faced near the strength of defense they will face tonight. If Tech had a bit more depth at the guard position, I might take a look, but I think Huggins will make this a track meet if Tech presses, and wear down Tech's guards. Slight look ahead for WVU to Vegas (I say slight b/c Huggins was complaining about effort last time out), but maybe a bit of a letdown for Tech's win at Evansville.

    Tough game IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lottamoneynono:

    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC



    Go ahead and start a new thread..... or go to www.obviousespnbetsthatlosemoney.com
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    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC



    Go ahead and start a new thread..... or go to www.obviousespnbetsthatlosemoney.com
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lottamoneynono:

    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC



    Because betting games with spreads between 25 and 35 is a long-term losing proposition.

    Flip a coin. There's no way of capping walk-ons and end-of-bench players deciding the final few minutes of a blowout.
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    Why nobody discussing Indiana, Duke, nor UNC



    Because betting games with spreads between 25 and 35 is a long-term losing proposition.

    Flip a coin. There's no way of capping walk-ons and end-of-bench players deciding the final few minutes of a blowout.
     
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    NROPP - Great read as always... been reading your posts and analysis daily.

    What do you make of the line movement in the Temple/Rice game? I'm on Rice +5.5, thinking this game will be close either way.

    Line was as high as 6 - as low as 3 - and you might think public would be all over Temple.

    Thoughts??

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    NROPP - Great read as always... been reading your posts and analysis daily.

    What do you make of the line movement in the Temple/Rice game? I'm on Rice +5.5, thinking this game will be close either way.

    Line was as high as 6 - as low as 3 - and you might think public would be all over Temple.

    Thoughts??

     
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    Is there a reason for USC to be a 7 point fav today?Seems that taking TCU+7 would be a beeter lean if not a play than the over,
    thanks in advance.
    Also doesnt it seem that IND.is giving to many points,Howard has only lost by this amount or really close anyway 2 times,not something Im looking to play,just curious if you agree if points are to much.
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    Is there a reason for USC to be a 7 point fav today?Seems that taking TCU+7 would be a beeter lean if not a play than the over,
    thanks in advance.
    Also doesnt it seem that IND.is giving to many points,Howard has only lost by this amount or really close anyway 2 times,not something Im looking to play,just curious if you agree if points are to much.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangor2:

    nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road?

    The home/away has a bit to do with it, but a lot of this focuses on what happens on the inside. Both teams finally get a favorable matchup in terms of what they want to do offensively and defensively. I think the line is a bit over-inflated b/c of SEMO's loss of Brister and what they did without him in that game against Missouri KC, which as you can see from above, they got quite a few guards who chuck up 3's. SEMO's guard defense has been brutally horrific so far this year. That I can agree on. But they get a break in this one. SMU's guards should not scare anybody, they're built from the inside out. Doherty's offense hinges on the "bigs" ruling the paint and at the same time stepping out to knock down some outside shots. They're athletic enough to do it, and it's always been a staple of his offensive philosophy. When you have big guys who can stretch the paint, you have more opportunities to score. That strength is taken away, as the SEMO frontcourt has been outstanding from an offensive and defensive standpoint thus far, and that should prove to be a difference here. Like I mentioned, SEMO's biggest weakness is really masked with this matchup, especially in a slow snail type of game that SMU likes to play, and if SEMO were to lose this one, it's going to take an above average and highly efficient outing from the guards to beat me. I know it's one game, but this SEMO team is more talented and has the same makeup (in terms of bigs being able to defend the perimeter) as Jackson State does, and Jackson State just beat SMU at home a few days ago. When you can contain the bigs, and keep them under wraps, your chances of beating SMU are really, really good. While still bad, SEMO actually has a decent offense unlike past years, they've just lost games b/c they can't defend guards. Clearly, losing Brister hurts that side of the ball, but guard defense really shouldn't be the determining factor in this one. SEMO's offense should look pretty good, as SMU hasn't really shown the ability to defend anyone this year and have struggled greatly with athletic teams. If this gets up and down like SEMO wants, they win pretty easy. If it doesn't, they have a nice advantage on the inside. It's really what I see as a win/win type of scenario, and something I'll go after quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangor2:

    nropp, I abolutely love your game breakdowns.  Please give me a snapshot of the SEMO pick.  Is it simply a case that they play so much better at home versus an SMU team that sometimes struggles on the road?

    The home/away has a bit to do with it, but a lot of this focuses on what happens on the inside. Both teams finally get a favorable matchup in terms of what they want to do offensively and defensively. I think the line is a bit over-inflated b/c of SEMO's loss of Brister and what they did without him in that game against Missouri KC, which as you can see from above, they got quite a few guards who chuck up 3's. SEMO's guard defense has been brutally horrific so far this year. That I can agree on. But they get a break in this one. SMU's guards should not scare anybody, they're built from the inside out. Doherty's offense hinges on the "bigs" ruling the paint and at the same time stepping out to knock down some outside shots. They're athletic enough to do it, and it's always been a staple of his offensive philosophy. When you have big guys who can stretch the paint, you have more opportunities to score. That strength is taken away, as the SEMO frontcourt has been outstanding from an offensive and defensive standpoint thus far, and that should prove to be a difference here. Like I mentioned, SEMO's biggest weakness is really masked with this matchup, especially in a slow snail type of game that SMU likes to play, and if SEMO were to lose this one, it's going to take an above average and highly efficient outing from the guards to beat me. I know it's one game, but this SEMO team is more talented and has the same makeup (in terms of bigs being able to defend the perimeter) as Jackson State does, and Jackson State just beat SMU at home a few days ago. When you can contain the bigs, and keep them under wraps, your chances of beating SMU are really, really good. While still bad, SEMO actually has a decent offense unlike past years, they've just lost games b/c they can't defend guards. Clearly, losing Brister hurts that side of the ball, but guard defense really shouldn't be the determining factor in this one. SEMO's offense should look pretty good, as SMU hasn't really shown the ability to defend anyone this year and have struggled greatly with athletic teams. If this gets up and down like SEMO wants, they win pretty easy. If it doesn't, they have a nice advantage on the inside. It's really what I see as a win/win type of scenario, and something I'll go after quite a bit.

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