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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 2:54 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by Pfotie:

    If you like the 4 games you listed straight up with your new system wouldn't you like them even more in a 7 point teaser?

    Just to be clear again, there are 5 official game selections for the SGS1.

    UTSA +2.5
    La Monroe +2
    Eastern Washington +1
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5
    Colgate PK

    Of course I would like them better in a teaser, but that was not the main point I was trying to make...my main point is that this is a brand new system that showed promise on day 1 (yesterday) by going 5-0.  It is very, very NEW and UNPROVEN.  I put these picks out for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.

    So, I am not recommending that anyone play these plays straight up or in a teaser.  If you choose to play them, obviously you would have more protection playing them in a teaser rather than straight up.

    Right now, the SGS1 shows promise and potential but it is unproven and thus unreliable until proven.  I would recommend that you play the MS1 plays as teasers and if you want some additional plays, I do like the system that Ryno23 is using alot.  You could tease his plays and play these...

    Western Illinois +15
    Samford +15
    Tennessee St. +20.5

    Right now, until the SGS1 is proven and has more of a track record, I would play Ryno23's plays instead of the SGS1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pfotie:

    If you like the 4 games you listed straight up with your new system wouldn't you like them even more in a 7 point teaser?

    Just to be clear again, there are 5 official game selections for the SGS1.

    UTSA +2.5
    La Monroe +2
    Eastern Washington +1
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5
    Colgate PK

    Of course I would like them better in a teaser, but that was not the main point I was trying to make...my main point is that this is a brand new system that showed promise on day 1 (yesterday) by going 5-0.  It is very, very NEW and UNPROVEN.  I put these picks out for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.

    So, I am not recommending that anyone play these plays straight up or in a teaser.  If you choose to play them, obviously you would have more protection playing them in a teaser rather than straight up.

    Right now, the SGS1 shows promise and potential but it is unproven and thus unreliable until proven.  I would recommend that you play the MS1 plays as teasers and if you want some additional plays, I do like the system that Ryno23 is using alot.  You could tease his plays and play these...

    Western Illinois +15
    Samford +15
    Tennessee St. +20.5

    Right now, until the SGS1 is proven and has more of a track record, I would play Ryno23's plays instead of the SGS1.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 3:20 PM ET #152

    Hey Smack I've been following silently, sent you a friend request. Had a question I was gonna message you about

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    Hey Smack I've been following silently, sent you a friend request. Had a question I was gonna message you about

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    All friend requests accepted.

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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 4:26 PM ET #154

    I was going back through and double checking the list of MS1 selections for today and found one I had missed.

    Montana St. +9.5

    Not a play that I like at all...but...it is system selection and I must include it.  Hate to do it as Montana St. has burned me 2 times this year already on non system plays.  But...its a system pick so I must.

    So, the entire list complete and double checked for today...

    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9.5

    I am sure some of those lines have moved from this morning but that's what I'm sticking with.  A total of 8 selections out of 44 games, a very large amount for so few games to select from.

    Going to be a very interesting evening.

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    I was going back through and double checking the list of MS1 selections for today and found one I had missed.

    Montana St. +9.5

    Not a play that I like at all...but...it is system selection and I must include it.  Hate to do it as Montana St. has burned me 2 times this year already on non system plays.  But...its a system pick so I must.

    So, the entire list complete and double checked for today...

    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9.5

    I am sure some of those lines have moved from this morning but that's what I'm sticking with.  A total of 8 selections out of 44 games, a very large amount for so few games to select from.

    Going to be a very interesting evening.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 5:01 PM ET #155

    Gl bro. Love systems!
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 5:03 PM ET #156

    Are there backtested results for the SGS1?
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    Are there backtested results for the SGS1?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 5:22 PM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by umirin:

    Are there backtested results for the SGS1?

    No.

    The SGS1 started just yesterday and went 5-0 but has no back testing completed as of today.  That is why I have been saying repeatedly that I am posting the selections for the SGS1 for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY and if you choose to play them it is against my recommendation.

    The MS1 has back testing to over 200 games and a 6 day posting record with today being day 7 for the system.  It has a documented 21-3 record on posting selections intended for use with a 7 point, 3 team teaser.  Also of note, its record if used in 4 point teasers is 20-4 with only one winning selection not covering the 4 point threshold (a 3 point loss).

    All of this is documented in the thread but I do understand it is getting a bit long to read the whole thing.  However, if you do read through it, it will give you and understanding of the evolution and tweaking that is making the system what it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umirin:

    Are there backtested results for the SGS1?

    No.

    The SGS1 started just yesterday and went 5-0 but has no back testing completed as of today.  That is why I have been saying repeatedly that I am posting the selections for the SGS1 for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY and if you choose to play them it is against my recommendation.

    The MS1 has back testing to over 200 games and a 6 day posting record with today being day 7 for the system.  It has a documented 21-3 record on posting selections intended for use with a 7 point, 3 team teaser.  Also of note, its record if used in 4 point teasers is 20-4 with only one winning selection not covering the 4 point threshold (a 3 point loss).

    All of this is documented in the thread but I do understand it is getting a bit long to read the whole thing.  However, if you do read through it, it will give you and understanding of the evolution and tweaking that is making the system what it is today.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 5:27 PM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    I was going back through and double checking the list of MS1 selections for today and found one I had missed.

    Montana St. +9.5

    Not a play that I like at all...but...it is system selection and I must include it.  Hate to do it as Montana St. has burned me 2 times this year already on non system plays.  But...its a system pick so I must.

    So, the entire list complete and double checked for today...

    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9.5

    I am sure some of those lines have moved from this morning but that's what I'm sticking with.  A total of 8 selections out of 44 games, a very large amount for so few games to select from.

    Going to be a very interesting evening.


    Holy cow...I put out the "complete list" and promptly leave one off the list....my gosh...I must be going nuts


    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    Furman +11.5
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9

    8 selections total.  

    If only life had no distractions...I could be perfect all the time...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    I was going back through and double checking the list of MS1 selections for today and found one I had missed.

    Montana St. +9.5

    Not a play that I like at all...but...it is system selection and I must include it.  Hate to do it as Montana St. has burned me 2 times this year already on non system plays.  But...its a system pick so I must.

    So, the entire list complete and double checked for today...

    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9.5

    I am sure some of those lines have moved from this morning but that's what I'm sticking with.  A total of 8 selections out of 44 games, a very large amount for so few games to select from.

    Going to be a very interesting evening.


    Holy cow...I put out the "complete list" and promptly leave one off the list....my gosh...I must be going nuts


    Houston +13
    Pepperdine +9
    Santa Clara +24
    The Citadel +14
    Furman +11.5
    East Tennessee St. +9
    IUPUI +8.5
    Montana St. +9

    8 selections total.  

    If only life had no distractions...I could be perfect all the time...lol.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 6:01 PM ET #159

    Been silently following your postings. I'm very intrigued and have put down a couple wagers following your system

    My bookie offers 8point 3-team teasers and I pay 10% juice on it
    so...your system would benefit me alot if it continues its success

    Good luck and thanks!
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    Been silently following your postings. I'm very intrigued and have put down a couple wagers following your system

    My bookie offers 8point 3-team teasers and I pay 10% juice on it
    so...your system would benefit me alot if it continues its success

    Good luck and thanks!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by whqodus:

    Been silently following your postings. I'm very intrigued and have put down a couple wagers following your system

    My bookie offers 8point 3-team teasers and I pay 10% juice on it
    so...your system would benefit me alot if it continues its success

    Good luck and thanks!
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    Thanks bro...hopefully you can put some cash in your pocket.  I have always dreamed of having a system that could hammer the books like no other.  Maybe someday that dream will come true.  It will not be because of lack of hard work as I am committed to doing what it takes to get it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whqodus:

    Been silently following your postings. I'm very intrigued and have put down a couple wagers following your system

    My bookie offers 8point 3-team teasers and I pay 10% juice on it
    so...your system would benefit me alot if it continues its success

    Good luck and thanks!
    '

    Thanks bro...hopefully you can put some cash in your pocket.  I have always dreamed of having a system that could hammer the books like no other.  Maybe someday that dream will come true.  It will not be because of lack of hard work as I am committed to doing what it takes to get it right.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 6:14 PM ET #161

    Smack thanks for all the work...tonight will be fun and profitable! BOL
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    Smack thanks for all the work...tonight will be fun and profitable! BOL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 6:28 PM ET #162

    So how are you pairing these together? Is it basically just pick and 3 that we like our of the total list of plays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-dubb:

    So how are you pairing these together? Is it basically just pick and 3 that we like our of the total list of plays?

    The way I would do it is this...and this is based on my personal preference and handicapping of the games

    I am not playing Montana St. just because they have burned me twice this season in non system plays already.  I just don't have a lot of confidence in them.

    Houston would be the other one I would eliminate just because they have not been very good in conference or ATS this year.

    The others I would just place in two, 3 team teasers in no particular order.  I am continuing to be cautious as the system is building up its sample size.  That's just me, you might do it differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-dubb:

    So how are you pairing these together? Is it basically just pick and 3 that we like our of the total list of plays?

    The way I would do it is this...and this is based on my personal preference and handicapping of the games

    I am not playing Montana St. just because they have burned me twice this season in non system plays already.  I just don't have a lot of confidence in them.

    Houston would be the other one I would eliminate just because they have not been very good in conference or ATS this year.

    The others I would just place in two, 3 team teasers in no particular order.  I am continuing to be cautious as the system is building up its sample size.  That's just me, you might do it differently.

     
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    I will say that I am playing a 3 team teaser based on Ryno23's system selections as they have been golden so far.

    Western Illinois +15
    Samford +15
    Tennessee St. +13.5

    Got those lines early in the day so they might have moved by now but I do not think the number will come into play with them if all goes well as planned.

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    I will say that I am playing a 3 team teaser based on Ryno23's system selections as they have been golden so far.

    Western Illinois +15
    Samford +15
    Tennessee St. +13.5

    Got those lines early in the day so they might have moved by now but I do not think the number will come into play with them if all goes well as planned.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 6:49 PM ET #165

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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2015 - 7:34 PM ET #166

    Jeez...The Citadel looks like they never got off the bus tonight.  Wish we had someone on the board who was at the game.  Just amazingly bad.

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    Jeez...The Citadel looks like they never got off the bus tonight.  Wish we had someone on the board who was at the game.  Just amazingly bad.

     
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    Ok, starting work soon on the results for tonight but wanted to go ahead and post the SGS1 results separately from the MS1.

    The SGS1 system went 4-1 tonight.  Overall record for 2 days now stands at 9-1 (90%).

    UTSA +2.5.........outright winner by 11
    La Monroe +2..........outright winner by 16
    Eastern Washington +1.......outright winner by 6
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5..........cover by .5
    Colgate PK...................loser by 10

    For anyone who may have been interested in how the plays that just barely missed the SGS1 selection criteria fared this evening they went 3-4 as might be expected.  May still track these in the future but it seems clear initially that only the solid system plays should be considered for action.

    I will have the MS1 wrap up in a few minutes.

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    Ok, starting work soon on the results for tonight but wanted to go ahead and post the SGS1 results separately from the MS1.

    The SGS1 system went 4-1 tonight.  Overall record for 2 days now stands at 9-1 (90%).

    UTSA +2.5.........outright winner by 11
    La Monroe +2..........outright winner by 16
    Eastern Washington +1.......outright winner by 6
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5..........cover by .5
    Colgate PK...................loser by 10

    For anyone who may have been interested in how the plays that just barely missed the SGS1 selection criteria fared this evening they went 3-4 as might be expected.  May still track these in the future but it seems clear initially that only the solid system plays should be considered for action.

    I will have the MS1 wrap up in a few minutes.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Ok, starting work soon on the results for tonight but wanted to go ahead and post the SGS1 results separately from the MS1.

    The SGS1 system went 4-1 tonight.  Overall record for 2 days now stands at 9-1 (90%).

    UTSA +2.5.........outright winner by 11
    La Monroe +2..........outright winner by 16
    Eastern Washington +1.......outright winner by 6
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5..........cover by .5
    Colgate PK...................loser by 10

    For anyone who may have been interested in how the plays that just barely missed the SGS1 selection criteria fared this evening they went 3-4 as might be expected.  May still track these in the future but it seems clear initially that only the solid system plays should be considered for action.

    I will have the MS1 wrap up in a few minutes.

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    Ok, starting work soon on the results for tonight but wanted to go ahead and post the SGS1 results separately from the MS1.

    The SGS1 system went 4-1 tonight.  Overall record for 2 days now stands at 9-1 (90%).

    UTSA +2.5.........outright winner by 11
    La Monroe +2..........outright winner by 16
    Eastern Washington +1.......outright winner by 6
    Mt. St. Mary's MD +2.5..........cover by .5
    Colgate PK...................loser by 10

    For anyone who may have been interested in how the plays that just barely missed the SGS1 selection criteria fared this evening they went 3-4 as might be expected.  May still track these in the future but it seems clear initially that only the solid system plays should be considered for action.

    I will have the MS1 wrap up in a few minutes.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 6, 2015 - 1:10 AM ET #169

    Nice Smack looks very promising....

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    Nice Smack looks very promising....

     
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    Played the early post from last night and took UTSA and La Monroe and placed them in a 4 team parlay along with single bets and hit. Great work and i appreciate your time, effort and sharing it with the community. Its exciting seeing the system blossoming and making money all at the same time. Again, BOL
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    Played the early post from last night and took UTSA and La Monroe and placed them in a 4 team parlay along with single bets and hit. Great work and i appreciate your time, effort and sharing it with the community. Its exciting seeing the system blossoming and making money all at the same time. Again, BOL
     
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    I am really, really hoping that the results from tonight's MS1 selections are an aberration.  The worst night in the last 7 days as we complete the 1st week of the system.  

    The MS1 went 3-3-2 tonight giving it an overall cumulative record of 24-6-3 for the first week of tracking.  Previously, I had decided to count pushes as losses in the record, however, I am going to switch that back to a standard Win-Loss-Push notation method as there are some people who are playing 8 point teasers.  If you were on an 8 point teaser today, the system did much better as the two pushes turn into two winners and one of the losses turns into a push.  The scoring was very close on many of these games and a half point and point made a big difference in several cases.

    The official record will still be based on a 7 point teaser line.

    Of course, your lines may have been better than mine in some cases since I got these early in the day.  It certainly could have affected the results of the day if you did.

    Houston +13...............PUSH 57-44
    Pepperdine +9.............outright winner 80-74
    Santa Clara +24..........cover winner 77-63
    The Citadel +14............loser 76-53
    Furman +11.5...............cover winner 74-71
    East Tennessee St. +9..loser 74-64
    IUPUI +8.5...................loser 78-68
    Montana St. +9.............PUSH 80-71

    Interesting that the two selections I had thought might need to be "no plays" both ended up pushing.  Two of the losing selections missed the cover by 2 points with the other one missing the cover by 8 points.  The Citadel just was never competitive tonight.

    Working on tomorrow's SGS1 right now and should have the available selections up in a bit.

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    I am really, really hoping that the results from tonight's MS1 selections are an aberration.  The worst night in the last 7 days as we complete the 1st week of the system.  

    The MS1 went 3-3-2 tonight giving it an overall cumulative record of 24-6-3 for the first week of tracking.  Previously, I had decided to count pushes as losses in the record, however, I am going to switch that back to a standard Win-Loss-Push notation method as there are some people who are playing 8 point teasers.  If you were on an 8 point teaser today, the system did much better as the two pushes turn into two winners and one of the losses turns into a push.  The scoring was very close on many of these games and a half point and point made a big difference in several cases.

    The official record will still be based on a 7 point teaser line.

    Of course, your lines may have been better than mine in some cases since I got these early in the day.  It certainly could have affected the results of the day if you did.

    Houston +13...............PUSH 57-44
    Pepperdine +9.............outright winner 80-74
    Santa Clara +24..........cover winner 77-63
    The Citadel +14............loser 76-53
    Furman +11.5...............cover winner 74-71
    East Tennessee St. +9..loser 74-64
    IUPUI +8.5...................loser 78-68
    Montana St. +9.............PUSH 80-71

    Interesting that the two selections I had thought might need to be "no plays" both ended up pushing.  Two of the losing selections missed the cover by 2 points with the other one missing the cover by 8 points.  The Citadel just was never competitive tonight.

    Working on tomorrow's SGS1 right now and should have the available selections up in a bit.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 6, 2015 - 1:56 AM ET #172

    Very surprising ...there are only 5 games up at my book for tomorrow's action.  Of those, I see only one selection for the SGS1

    Dayton +2.5

    I will have to complete the others tomorrow.

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    Very surprising ...there are only 5 games up at my book for tomorrow's action.  Of those, I see only one selection for the SGS1

    Dayton +2.5

    I will have to complete the others tomorrow.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 6, 2015 - 4:36 AM ET #174

    lets get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Very surprising ...there are only 5 games up at my book for tomorrow's action.  Of those, I see only one selection for the

    Dayton +2.5

    I will have to complete the others tomorrow.

     9 -1 on the  SGS1  is awesome ... Why wait ... I played em all last night , real small , cause that's how I bet ..nice 4 - 1 ..I know you want to wait for more games but I'll press my luck again on Friday and  Saturday's card ...If Possible ... early posts for Saturday would be appreciated !!! 
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    Very surprising ...there are only 5 games up at my book for tomorrow's action.  Of those, I see only one selection for the

    Dayton +2.5

    I will have to complete the others tomorrow.

     9 -1 on the  SGS1  is awesome ... Why wait ... I played em all last night , real small , cause that's how I bet ..nice 4 - 1 ..I know you want to wait for more games but I'll press my luck again on Friday and  Saturday's card ...If Possible ... early posts for Saturday would be appreciated !!! 
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