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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2008 - 11:53 PM ET #201

    This is going to be just like the '86 World Series. New England will be shocked by New York. Tom Brady will be the new Bill Buckner.
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    This is going to be just like the '86 World Series. New England will be shocked by New York. Tom Brady will be the new Bill Buckner.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 3:09 AM ET #202

    Preface: Have been riding with the Giants since Week 15. Truly remarkable, what they've done.
    Yet when Bill Belichick last had two full weeks to prepare, the Pats went into Buffalo (admittedly an offenseless more so than defenseless team), and clobbered the Bills, 56-10.
    Weather isn't a factor Sunday, which it has been for the last six of seven, where New England hadn't covered.
    There's too great an aerial arsenal at Brady's disposal for the Giants (still) wounded secondary to compete. Eli Manning will still have stars in his eyes; whereas, Brady has been to the big show before - and wins.
    Not recalling just when an AFC team placed a whoopin' on the NFC - or not since Marcus Allen and the Raiders tore up Washington, 38-9.
    This one is an easy over, for the Giants will have some sympathy scores, when the contest doesn't matter any longer.
    The spread is just right, at -12.5, - do not follow the Judas goat that is Joe Public placing money on the Giants.
    New England wins this by 14 for certain.
    Patriots 44 NY Giants 24   
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    Preface: Have been riding with the Giants since Week 15. Truly remarkable, what they've done.
    Yet when Bill Belichick last had two full weeks to prepare, the Pats went into Buffalo (admittedly an offenseless more so than defenseless team), and clobbered the Bills, 56-10.
    Weather isn't a factor Sunday, which it has been for the last six of seven, where New England hadn't covered.
    There's too great an aerial arsenal at Brady's disposal for the Giants (still) wounded secondary to compete. Eli Manning will still have stars in his eyes; whereas, Brady has been to the big show before - and wins.
    Not recalling just when an AFC team placed a whoopin' on the NFC - or not since Marcus Allen and the Raiders tore up Washington, 38-9.
    This one is an easy over, for the Giants will have some sympathy scores, when the contest doesn't matter any longer.
    The spread is just right, at -12.5, - do not follow the Judas goat that is Joe Public placing money on the Giants.
    New England wins this by 14 for certain.
    Patriots 44 NY Giants 24   
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 4:08 AM ET #203

    When things look too easy, it probably isn't   Over looks easy but:
     
    -  giants could/should slow the game down by running right down the middle with the tank (jocobs) controlling the line of scrim and clock
     
    -  pass rush will get to brady, strahan and omu will make sure of that, how many i don't know - Giants chance of winning depends on this
     
    -  vegas usually jacks up the total knowing that the public likes to bet over, last time they played the total went 73 who da heck is gonna bet under.....
     
    ME, good luck everyone.  I've enjoyed all of you and your inputs this season and we'll meet again next season.  BD, fish, lefty thanks.  PEACE
     
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    When things look too easy, it probably isn't   Over looks easy but:
     
    -  giants could/should slow the game down by running right down the middle with the tank (jocobs) controlling the line of scrim and clock
     
    -  pass rush will get to brady, strahan and omu will make sure of that, how many i don't know - Giants chance of winning depends on this
     
    -  vegas usually jacks up the total knowing that the public likes to bet over, last time they played the total went 73 who da heck is gonna bet under.....
     
    ME, good luck everyone.  I've enjoyed all of you and your inputs this season and we'll meet again next season.  BD, fish, lefty thanks.  PEACE
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 4:09 AM ET #204

    The Patriots' opponents had a 120-136 record this year, for a winning percentage of 47%. In contrast, the Giants and Colts' opponents had 132-124 records, or a winning percentage of 52%. That's quite a difference - had the Patriots played the teams with a winning percentage and had the same record, I could probably agree that their on-field talent is impressive and likely the best all-time. Their schedule this year was considerably easier than most other teams.
    Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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    The Patriots' opponents had a 120-136 record this year, for a winning percentage of 47%. In contrast, the Giants and Colts' opponents had 132-124 records, or a winning percentage of 52%. That's quite a difference - had the Patriots played the teams with a winning percentage and had the same record, I could probably agree that their on-field talent is impressive and likely the best all-time. Their schedule this year was considerably easier than most other teams.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 5:46 AM ET #205

    got the giants plus 13.5 way back...sticking with just that and maybe some possile prop bets!!!!  good luck guys!!!
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    got the giants plus 13.5 way back...sticking with just that and maybe some possile prop bets!!!!  good luck guys!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 7:37 AM ET #206

    Quote Originally Posted by Spytheweb:

    The Patriots' opponents had a 120-136 record this year, for a winning percentage of 47%. In contrast, the Giants and Colts' opponents had 132-124 records, or a winning percentage of 52%. That's quite a difference - had the Patriots played the teams with a winning percentage and had the same record, I could probably agree that their on-field talent is impressive and likely the best all-time. Their schedule this year was considerably easier than most other teams.


    Huh?  You said the exact same thing the other day, and we told you why this is a ridiculous statement.  Do you not read the responses to your own posts? 

    Pats v. playoff teams: 8-0
    Giants v. playoff teams: 3-5

    Or is it groundhog day a day early?  I thought that came on Feb 2nd... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spytheweb:

    The Patriots' opponents had a 120-136 record this year, for a winning percentage of 47%. In contrast, the Giants and Colts' opponents had 132-124 records, or a winning percentage of 52%. That's quite a difference - had the Patriots played the teams with a winning percentage and had the same record, I could probably agree that their on-field talent is impressive and likely the best all-time. Their schedule this year was considerably easier than most other teams.


    Huh?  You said the exact same thing the other day, and we told you why this is a ridiculous statement.  Do you not read the responses to your own posts? 

    Pats v. playoff teams: 8-0
    Giants v. playoff teams: 3-5

    Or is it groundhog day a day early?  I thought that came on Feb 2nd... 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 11:14 AM ET #207

    Anyone here subscribe to BRANDON LANG's site and know who he is picking in the game?   He hasnt been that great this year but his Super Bowl picks are pretty solid.  
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    Anyone here subscribe to BRANDON LANG's site and know who he is picking in the game?   He hasnt been that great this year but his Super Bowl picks are pretty solid.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 11:15 AM ET #208

    come on everyone, keep pounding those giants!!!!     so i can bet against you guys and take the patriots by 2 tds or more! go pats!   bet against the pats in the superbowl? are you kidding me? the giants run is over people..  thanks plaxico for the guarantee! haha <tom brady     < me
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    come on everyone, keep pounding those giants!!!!     so i can bet against you guys and take the patriots by 2 tds or more! go pats!   bet against the pats in the superbowl? are you kidding me? the giants run is over people..  thanks plaxico for the guarantee! haha <tom brady     < me
     
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    i took his superbowl picks the last 2 years.. money. didnt get this year.. 15-0-2 is money. he said hes got it locked in
     
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    i took his superbowl picks the last 2 years.. money. didnt get this year.. 15-0-2 is money. he said hes got it locked in
     
     
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    Hi SeLLerS,  yeah i was able to get his pick for free last year, he kind of leaked it out in a interview he did online. I was on board and did well with Steelers two years ago and Colts last year. I thought this spread would have been close to 17 when the matchup was set.   You remember Vegasinsider had lines up in Nov - Dec and it was NE  - pts vs all the possible NFC opponents and back then they had  NE -20 vs NYG,  I'm looking at -12 as great value.  And Plax just gave this team all the reason to run the score up if they can.    Good Luck    any thoughts on the Ov/Un?
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    Hi SeLLerS,  yeah i was able to get his pick for free last year, he kind of leaked it out in a interview he did online. I was on board and did well with Steelers two years ago and Colts last year. I thought this spread would have been close to 17 when the matchup was set.   You remember Vegasinsider had lines up in Nov - Dec and it was NE  - pts vs all the possible NFC opponents and back then they had  NE -20 vs NYG,  I'm looking at -12 as great value.  And Plax just gave this team all the reason to run the score up if they can.    Good Luck    any thoughts on the Ov/Un?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 12:25 PM ET #211

    Amazingly enough, I saw a poll yesterday where the public actually thinks the Giants will not only cover, but win outright.  It was 51%-49%, but still this is amazing.  People can talk themselves into almost anything it seems.

    Meanwhile, check this link for details on what appears to be the...

    Mismatch of the Century
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    Amazingly enough, I saw a poll yesterday where the public actually thinks the Giants will not only cover, but win outright.  It was 51%-49%, but still this is amazing.  People can talk themselves into almost anything it seems.

    Meanwhile, check this link for details on what appears to be the...

    Mismatch of the Century
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 12:59 PM ET #212

    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyez:

    GL to you too my man.....the Pats could certainly just destroy them......I just gotta stick with the Giants.......with a great pass rush, solid run game(that Bradshaw kid didn't play in the first meeting with the Pats) and a very underated and spurned QB.  Little Eli has a chance to make his career take off like a rocket ship in this game. The kid deserves some props.....growing up in the shadow of his big bro and his dad........not to mention......I played the Giants all three games.......I can't jump ship now!!! 

    Irish, I  FLIPPED today, there will be history made on Sunday, Manning bros. will win back to back SBs.

    Giants ML +400, 3 units (1-5) + it cost me a 1/2 unit to take off my Pats-12. Just a hunch, that's all, something to do w/ this spygate thing (cheaters never benefit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyez:

    GL to you too my man.....the Pats could certainly just destroy them......I just gotta stick with the Giants.......with a great pass rush, solid run game(that Bradshaw kid didn't play in the first meeting with the Pats) and a very underated and spurned QB.  Little Eli has a chance to make his career take off like a rocket ship in this game. The kid deserves some props.....growing up in the shadow of his big bro and his dad........not to mention......I played the Giants all three games.......I can't jump ship now!!! 

    Irish, I  FLIPPED today, there will be history made on Sunday, Manning bros. will win back to back SBs.

    Giants ML +400, 3 units (1-5) + it cost me a 1/2 unit to take off my Pats-12. Just a hunch, that's all, something to do w/ this spygate thing (cheaters never benefit).

     
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    Irish, I  FLIPPED today, there will be history made on Sunday, Manning bros. will win back to back SBs.

    Giants ML +400, 3 units (1-5) + it cost me a 1/2 unit to take off my Pats-12. Just a hunch, that's all, something to do w/ this spygate thing (cheaters never benefit).

     

    I think the bartender at Frankies is spiking your drinks again.  Hopefully you re-flip by gametime lol.   NO WAY the Giants win.

     

     "Eli Manning guides Giants to Super Upset"

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    Irish, I  FLIPPED today, there will be history made on Sunday, Manning bros. will win back to back SBs.

    Giants ML +400, 3 units (1-5) + it cost me a 1/2 unit to take off my Pats-12. Just a hunch, that's all, something to do w/ this spygate thing (cheaters never benefit).

     

    I think the bartender at Frankies is spiking your drinks again.  Hopefully you re-flip by gametime lol.   NO WAY the Giants win.

     

     "Eli Manning guides Giants to Super Upset"

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 3:23 PM ET #214

    Quote Originally Posted by lefty1209:

    got the giants plus 13.5 way back...sticking with just that and maybe some possile prop bets!!!!  good luck guys!!!

    I took the Giants on the final at +12 and still waiting for more line movement to place more investments on along with a lot of prop wagers.

    Good luck on your Pats SU victory my friend and your Giants play

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty1209:

    got the giants plus 13.5 way back...sticking with just that and maybe some possile prop bets!!!!  good luck guys!!!

    I took the Giants on the final at +12 and still waiting for more line movement to place more investments on along with a lot of prop wagers.

    Good luck on your Pats SU victory my friend and your Giants play

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2008 - 3:57 PM ET #215

    pats -12 without even a second thought. also, first quarter under 10.5
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    pats -12 without even a second thought. also, first quarter under 10.5
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by danstyk:

    Amazingly enough, I saw a poll yesterday where the public actually thinks the Giants will not only cover, but win outright.  It was 51%-49%, but still this is amazing.  People can talk themselves into almost anything it seems.

    Meanwhile, check this link for details on what appears to be the...

    Mismatch of the Century

    Wow that is one convincing arguement made in that article.....Over the past week I have changed my mind about the outcome of this game.  I had originally thought the Giants would keep this one very close with the Pats squeeking out a victory in the final few mins.  I think the final score will be the Pats by 2+ TD's.  I am basing this tought on a few things but mainly giving Belichik 2 full weeks to prepare.  I believe that they will throw things at Eli that he has never seen before and on offense they will actually be able to throw the ball deep for the first time in weeks due to the weather.  I also dont think it was very wise for the Giants to run their mouths all week long in AZ to the media about how they are going to win this game.

    Final

    42-21

    Pats 1st half

    Pats -12

    Over

    GL everyone.....this season has been a blast I will be raising one to all my friends on here come 10AM on Sunday!

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    Amazingly enough, I saw a poll yesterday where the public actually thinks the Giants will not only cover, but win outright.  It was 51%-49%, but still this is amazing.  People can talk themselves into almost anything it seems.

    Meanwhile, check this link for details on what appears to be the...

    Mismatch of the Century

    Wow that is one convincing arguement made in that article.....Over the past week I have changed my mind about the outcome of this game.  I had originally thought the Giants would keep this one very close with the Pats squeeking out a victory in the final few mins.  I think the final score will be the Pats by 2+ TD's.  I am basing this tought on a few things but mainly giving Belichik 2 full weeks to prepare.  I believe that they will throw things at Eli that he has never seen before and on offense they will actually be able to throw the ball deep for the first time in weeks due to the weather.  I also dont think it was very wise for the Giants to run their mouths all week long in AZ to the media about how they are going to win this game.

    Final

    42-21

    Pats 1st half

    Pats -12

    Over

    GL everyone.....this season has been a blast I will be raising one to all my friends on here come 10AM on Sunday!

     
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    bd whats up? how are you? love that avatar! sunrise from there is amazing!
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    Just wanted to pop in and say hi and thanks to all my friends on here.. 

    well...  we're 2 days away from the last game of the season and my last chance to gamble till fall..  so i figured i throw my 2 cents out there for whats it worth.... been on crazy year in football both college and pro...  congrats to both the pats and the g-man for making it this far... here how i see this game... imo it comes down to two things..   a game of thetrenches and a game of mistakes..  can the giants get enough pressure on brandy to force him to make quick decisions, dump the ball off or force a few throws??  because if they can't, moss and stallworth will have a great day against that below average giants secondary.. and can eli continue to play mistake free football..  my answer is yes...  the giants front four will give the pats o-line all it can handle in this game..  remember, although, they only sack brady once in the game back on week 17, they hit him many times, 8 or 9 i believe.. SD mistake last week was it fear of blitzing brady..  giants do not have to deal with this problem thanks to their ability to rush just four and still get to the qb...  this will like them play 7 back and reduce the damage that pat receiving corp can do...  i can see brady throw at least 1 int in this game due to the good rush that he will be facing..   on the other side of the ball we got eli..  how will eli deal with the pressure trying to lead his team against the pats and can he play mistake free...  imo eli will pay well enough team them in the game..  probably not mistake free but he will be able to manage the game..  look for the giants to pound the ball with jacob and bradshaw in this game to control the clock, keep the pats o off the field and keep the pressure off eli... i do believe that the weakness of this pats d is their run d..  look what SD did againt them without LT...  and remember eli is most effective when he does play-action... look for giants to be in alot of 3rd and short situation with all the running they can do.. and look for eli to come up big on those 3rd downs... 

    Phew that was long..  anyway..  after considing all this..  imo 12.5 is just too much to give to a team that has been on fire, and matches up pretty will against the pats..  the ability to run the ball and rush brady will be the diference here..  hate to say it...  but pats go undefeted this year...  but i think they giants cover this spread in an under game....

    MY PICK: Giants +12.5 Under 54

    PATS 27

    GIANTS 21

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    Just wanted to pop in and say hi and thanks to all my friends on here.. 

    well...  we're 2 days away from the last game of the season and my last chance to gamble till fall..  so i figured i throw my 2 cents out there for whats it worth.... been on crazy year in football both college and pro...  congrats to both the pats and the g-man for making it this far... here how i see this game... imo it comes down to two things..   a game of thetrenches and a game of mistakes..  can the giants get enough pressure on brandy to force him to make quick decisions, dump the ball off or force a few throws??  because if they can't, moss and stallworth will have a great day against that below average giants secondary.. and can eli continue to play mistake free football..  my answer is yes...  the giants front four will give the pats o-line all it can handle in this game..  remember, although, they only sack brady once in the game back on week 17, they hit him many times, 8 or 9 i believe.. SD mistake last week was it fear of blitzing brady..  giants do not have to deal with this problem thanks to their ability to rush just four and still get to the qb...  this will like them play 7 back and reduce the damage that pat receiving corp can do...  i can see brady throw at least 1 int in this game due to the good rush that he will be facing..   on the other side of the ball we got eli..  how will eli deal with the pressure trying to lead his team against the pats and can he play mistake free...  imo eli will pay well enough team them in the game..  probably not mistake free but he will be able to manage the game..  look for the giants to pound the ball with jacob and bradshaw in this game to control the clock, keep the pats o off the field and keep the pressure off eli... i do believe that the weakness of this pats d is their run d..  look what SD did againt them without LT...  and remember eli is most effective when he does play-action... look for giants to be in alot of 3rd and short situation with all the running they can do.. and look for eli to come up big on those 3rd downs... 

    Phew that was long..  anyway..  after considing all this..  imo 12.5 is just too much to give to a team that has been on fire, and matches up pretty will against the pats..  the ability to run the ball and rush brady will be the diference here..  hate to say it...  but pats go undefeted this year...  but i think they giants cover this spread in an under game....

    MY PICK: Giants +12.5 Under 54

    PATS 27

    GIANTS 21

     
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    damn... after reading my post over... wanted to apology for the errors and grammar mistakes..  lol... thank good i was a math major and not and enlish major.. once again,, my apologies...  lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberjake:

    bd whats up? how are you? love that avatar! sunrise from there is amazing!

    Actually been busy with work and spending time with the family but all in all it's all good.

    I see you have been to Haleakala to see the sunrise that picture in my avatar is from Wednesday and the snow over here on Maui is slowly melting away.

    Good luck with your Pats pick my friend as I am on the other side on this one

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    bd whats up? how are you? love that avatar! sunrise from there is amazing!

    Actually been busy with work and spending time with the family but all in all it's all good.

    I see you have been to Haleakala to see the sunrise that picture in my avatar is from Wednesday and the snow over here on Maui is slowly melting away.

    Good luck with your Pats pick my friend as I am on the other side on this one

     
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    Giants lose big. 
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    thanks bigdaddy!!!!
     
    love the avatar...reminds me of connecticut!!!!
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    love the avatar...reminds me of connecticut!!!!
     
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    Giants by 7. Brady will have 2 int's.

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    Brady had 3 picks last game, had Eli had 3 picks it would be the talk of the town. Face it, Brady gave up the booty. The Patroits game plan is to wait for Eli to give away the game, guess what? TB, Dallas and GB are still waiting. All the Pats have is a passing game, if that fails can't go to a awsome running game, don't have a 1985 Bear's defense. The pressure is on NE, they got to win. I want the Giants to win, but the big kick for me was knocking Dallas out. If it was not for NY Dallas would be playing Sunday and that will keep me warm all year. Remember you are only as good as your last game, and the last game Brady gave the ball to the other team 3 times.
    Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!
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    Brady had 3 picks last game, had Eli had 3 picks it would be the talk of the town. Face it, Brady gave up the booty. The Patroits game plan is to wait for Eli to give away the game, guess what? TB, Dallas and GB are still waiting. All the Pats have is a passing game, if that fails can't go to a awsome running game, don't have a 1985 Bear's defense. The pressure is on NE, they got to win. I want the Giants to win, but the big kick for me was knocking Dallas out. If it was not for NY Dallas would be playing Sunday and that will keep me warm all year. Remember you are only as good as your last game, and the last game Brady gave the ball to the other team 3 times.
     
     
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    It is still AFC-NFC. I predict a blowout even if it hurts.
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