It is -110.
I was trying to say that -110 is too high.
A couple of reasons...
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I realize these are personal reasons. But since you asked - those are my reasons.
A couple of reasons...
First is the town itself (not related to gambling). I stayed at Venetian, as I have for the last several visits to LV. I always get a rental car. When you leave Venetian - you are instantly in meth central. And I have seen more of these neighborhoods in Vegas than in an average city. Admittedly, it is a totally limited experience - but I haven't seen the beauty in Vegas until you get far outside of Vegas. And the traffic.
Second- for gambling - for what I do - it is virtually impossible. I have to get the best line at the exact right time. This is close to impossible in Vegas. I was out for the SB, and just getting from sportsbook to sportsbook is a nightmare. Then getting inside - and try to make any bet of size - and you have "do you have a players card" followed by paperwork. Then when you collect (I didn't unfortunately on the SB), more of this. Wanna bet more than 1k on a big European soccer game? Some will take it, but most wont. They look at you like you have some fix information about a English Premier League game because you want to bet 5k.
Then throw in that you are always paying more than you should (-110). So logistics and limits make it not only annoying, but make it unprofitable long term for me.
I realize these are personal reasons. But since you asked - those are my reasons.
Books don't like the paperwork any more then you do so they make it easy by taking and paying in chips which involve no paperwork even if you get a payoff of 20-30K.
You don't like betting in LasVegas because there are junkies on the streeet and it's hard to get a bet down on the BIGGEST betting day of the year??? There are hookers and drunks in the lounge,does that bother your handicapping or you being able to find the best line?In LasVegas you carry your bankroll with you ,you get paid 5minutes after final,1/3 of your br isn't sitting offshore in a book thats feeding you a sucker line and you don't have to hope/pray that when you collect you have to deal with banks,creditcards,WesternUnion,or some f*cking manager of any stripe or whim. I'll lay -110 for the privledge.
Books don't like the paperwork any more then you do so they make it easy by taking and paying in chips which involve no paperwork even if you get a payoff of 20-30K.
You don't like betting in LasVegas because there are junkies on the streeet and it's hard to get a bet down on the BIGGEST betting day of the year??? There are hookers and drunks in the lounge,does that bother your handicapping or you being able to find the best line?In LasVegas you carry your bankroll with you ,you get paid 5minutes after final,1/3 of your br isn't sitting offshore in a book thats feeding you a sucker line and you don't have to hope/pray that when you collect you have to deal with banks,creditcards,WesternUnion,or some f*cking manager of any stripe or whim. I'll lay -110 for the privledge.
Cavemen looking up at the stars....
You know how much money I have lost to book closures in the last 10 years? ZERO. Why? Because I have done homework and don't take risks.
You know what risks are? Playing at WSEX when there was years of warnings. Playing places other than Pinnacle, Matchbook, and Betfair. Is Pinnacle going to give you the runaround and headaches of deposits and withdrawals? HUH??
Heres the real story. I trust pinnacle as much as I would a vegas casino. In fact more. You can lose a ticket at a vegas casino. There is a chance they will withhold payment for forms or other BS. Never at pinnacle.
So I know you will say that you cant play at pinnacle. But that isn't the predicament of CG, or a person looking to be a "professional gambler" as you put it. CG could easily move to one of hundreds of countries on earth - other than Las Vegas - and have Neteller, Skrill, Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair in a single afternoon. Now - is that setup better than being in Vegas? PLEASE.
The -110 "privilege" that you speak of is for you - casual gambler - who is looking to place a couple of low stress bets for fun. But why is it hard for you (and people like you) to understand the other side of this - the people like CG who want to do this for a living? The options for CG are much more varied than going to Vegas. Vegas is not a "privilege" for someone who looks to be profitable.
Sorry, but you are way off here.
Sorry, I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but look at the three books you mention. Beted, WSEX, and Oddsmaker.
I'm no genius, but I was out of WSEX 3 years before they closed up. Those others have always been a slowpay nopay situation.
Look - if you are American - and a casual gambler - I would say there are 2 deposit books you can play at. Bookmaker and 5Dimes. That's it. And those I would only give a "B" to because they take Americans - and that is the best you can possibly give to a book that takes Americans.
But we aren't talking about casual gamblers in this thread. We are talking about people who are concerned about profitability. There is no way Vegas would make a shortlist of options for profitability.
I am really rooting for CG. I hope he makes this work. But if he does - he is simply much better at this than I am. I could not make it work in Vegas. And BTW - if he does make it work in vegas - he could make it work BETTER somewhere else. To each his own - and I wish him the best - I just don't like misinformation about what is and isn't real in the sportsgambling world.
And another thing while I am on a roll....
Check out Nitrogen or Cloudbetsports. Both are bitcoin books. You are in and out of them whenever you want, and they are anonymous. Both take in the area of 3k limits. AND NEITHER MAKE YOU PAY -110!!
You literally get an automatic WD anytime you want it in about 10 seconds, and deposits take 10 seconds.
This could be the future.
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Cavemen looking up at the stars....
You know how much money I have lost to book closures in the last 10 years? ZERO. Why? Because I have done homework and don't take risks.
You know what risks are? Playing at WSEX when there was years of warnings. Playing places other than Pinnacle, Matchbook, and Betfair. Is Pinnacle going to give you the runaround and headaches of deposits and withdrawals? HUH??
Heres the real story. I trust pinnacle as much as I would a vegas casino. In fact more. You can lose a ticket at a vegas casino. There is a chance they will withhold payment for forms or other BS. Never at pinnacle.
So I know you will say that you cant play at pinnacle. But that isn't the predicament of CG, or a person looking to be a "professional gambler" as you put it. CG could easily move to one of hundreds of countries on earth - other than Las Vegas - and have Neteller, Skrill, Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair in a single afternoon. Now - is that setup better than being in Vegas? PLEASE.
The -110 "privilege" that you speak of is for you - casual gambler - who is looking to place a couple of low stress bets for fun. But why is it hard for you (and people like you) to understand the other side of this - the people like CG who want to do this for a living? The options for CG are much more varied than going to Vegas. Vegas is not a "privilege" for someone who looks to be profitable.
Sorry, but you are way off here.
Sorry, I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but look at the three books you mention. Beted, WSEX, and Oddsmaker.
I'm no genius, but I was out of WSEX 3 years before they closed up. Those others have always been a slowpay nopay situation.
Look - if you are American - and a casual gambler - I would say there are 2 deposit books you can play at. Bookmaker and 5Dimes. That's it. And those I would only give a "B" to because they take Americans - and that is the best you can possibly give to a book that takes Americans.
But we aren't talking about casual gamblers in this thread. We are talking about people who are concerned about profitability. There is no way Vegas would make a shortlist of options for profitability.
I am really rooting for CG. I hope he makes this work. But if he does - he is simply much better at this than I am. I could not make it work in Vegas. And BTW - if he does make it work in vegas - he could make it work BETTER somewhere else. To each his own - and I wish him the best - I just don't like misinformation about what is and isn't real in the sportsgambling world.
I did not get out "just in time". I got out like 3 years ahead of time. And anyone should have gotten out 3 years ahead of time - WSEX closing was a very slow burn.
I can read between the lines at your skepticism - but just read my past posts here. I never once said play at beted or oddsmaker or bovada or sportsbook. In fact, I have never recommended a book that closed. That might just be luck - and I am sure I am not immune to it because anything can happen - but you cant compare Beted to Pinnacle. You just cant.
And I have no idea what your last statement means.
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