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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:56 PM ET #126

    Frist....prolly a closet pedophile
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:57 PM ET #127

    all of these old fossils need to be RETIRED. I don't see one person there that looks under 50
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    all of these old fossils need to be RETIRED. I don't see one person there that looks under 50
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:58 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    there has to be a way around it. hell, f'n drugs are illegal and i dont see people having too much trouble getting those things all over the place
    There will surely be a rise in the number and availability of local bookies looking for sports action, We should all boycott the lotteries, and force individual states to pass their own gambling laws due to lack of funds from no one buying lottery tickets anymore, and Give a shout, Vote Republicans out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    there has to be a way around it. hell, f'n drugs are illegal and i dont see people having too much trouble getting those things all over the place
    There will surely be a rise in the number and availability of local bookies looking for sports action, We should all boycott the lotteries, and force individual states to pass their own gambling laws due to lack of funds from no one buying lottery tickets anymore, and Give a shout, Vote Republicans out.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:58 PM ET #129

    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
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    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:58 PM ET #130

    This bill is 100% on part lines - all reps are for it, all dems against it.
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    This bill is 100% on part lines - all reps are for it, all dems against it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 9:59 PM ET #131

    I said I would never post again...but fuck it. These hypocritical Motherfuckers. That asshole from Florida, Foley), resigned today because he was sending explicit emails to male pages (person).
     
    I bet frist is a fucking pedophile too. THESE MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING ASSHOLES!!!
     
    This country is fucked.
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    I said I would never post again...but fuck it. These hypocritical Motherfuckers. That asshole from Florida, Foley), resigned today because he was sending explicit emails to male pages (person).
     
    I bet frist is a fucking pedophile too. THESE MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING ASSHOLES!!!
     
    This country is fucked.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:00 PM ET #132

    man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
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    man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:00 PM ET #133

    fuck it, i should book, there are enough morons out there. i should be asking them to pass this.
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    fuck it, i should book, there are enough morons out there. i should be asking them to pass this.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:00 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
     
    It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
     
    It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:00 PM ET #135

    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
     
    It's game over for neteller and all payment processors, despite what anyone else tells you. It's b/s crap. There will be workarounds. I'll just open up a bank in england or something.
     
    Bible thumping maggots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
     
    It's game over for neteller and all payment processors, despite what anyone else tells you. It's b/s crap. There will be workarounds. I'll just open up a bank in england or something.
     
    Bible thumping maggots.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:01 PM ET #136

    Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
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    Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:01 PM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
     
    The funny thing is that bookies and organized crime are sitting home toasting this bill right now.
     
    The stupid fucks in washington are going to publicize that internet gambling is illegal, the media will pick it up, and every joe public will go and find a bookie.
     
    Unbeleivable. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

    man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
     
    The funny thing is that bookies and organized crime are sitting home toasting this bill right now.
     
    The stupid fucks in washington are going to publicize that internet gambling is illegal, the media will pick it up, and every joe public will go and find a bookie.
     
    Unbeleivable. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:04 PM ET #138

    wool worth, i can see that US banks would be held liable for this, but neteller is a different case because it is based in the UK. It is not so cut and dry with neteller.
     
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    wool worth, i can see that US banks would be held liable for this, but neteller is a different case because it is based in the UK. It is not so cut and dry with neteller.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:05 PM ET #139

    vanzack...you are absolutely right. the bookies are celebrating tonight!
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    vanzack...you are absolutely right. the bookies are celebrating tonight!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFastFreddie:

    Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
     
    Good question.
     
    Let me tell you some realities.
     
    Right now, eft's are not coded at all.  That means that your bank has no idea if an eft is coming form a legitimate company, your mother, or a sportsbook.  This bill would require EFT's to be coded.  I dont think anyone here understands the magnitude of this.  The banks say they cant do it - it would cost a fortune.  The bill itself allows for 270 days to find a way to do it - acknowledging that it is difficult to even enforce - if at all.
     
    They certainly dont code cashiers checks or personal checks.  How would your bank know that you are recieving or writing a check to a sportsbook in a FOREIGN SOVEREIGN NATION!?!?!?!  They cant.
     
    Its political and unenforceable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFastFreddie:

    Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
     
    Good question.
     
    Let me tell you some realities.
     
    Right now, eft's are not coded at all.  That means that your bank has no idea if an eft is coming form a legitimate company, your mother, or a sportsbook.  This bill would require EFT's to be coded.  I dont think anyone here understands the magnitude of this.  The banks say they cant do it - it would cost a fortune.  The bill itself allows for 270 days to find a way to do it - acknowledging that it is difficult to even enforce - if at all.
     
    They certainly dont code cashiers checks or personal checks.  How would your bank know that you are recieving or writing a check to a sportsbook in a FOREIGN SOVEREIGN NATION!?!?!?!  They cant.
     
    Its political and unenforceable.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:05 PM ET #141

    t means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.

    Understood.
    However, I think the concern here is how would you get your money out or fund your account from this point forward.
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    t means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.

    Understood.
    However, I think the concern here is how would you get your money out or fund your account from this point forward.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
     
    so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
     
    and I need neteller
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
     
    There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
     
    so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
     
    and I need neteller
     
     
     
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    And let me tell you all something about Neteller.

    THEY ARE A LEGAL COMPANY ON THE LONDON STOCK EXCHANGE.
     
    Do you guys really think if an Amsterdam pot bar sells pot to an American that they are breaking the law?  American law applies to Americans and American jurisdiction - it does not apply to SOVEREIGN NATIONS.
     
    Pinnacle and Neteller are under no obligation to follow US law UNLESS THEY WANT TO.
     
    Get a clue.
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    And let me tell you all something about Neteller.

    THEY ARE A LEGAL COMPANY ON THE LONDON STOCK EXCHANGE.
     
    Do you guys really think if an Amsterdam pot bar sells pot to an American that they are breaking the law?  American law applies to Americans and American jurisdiction - it does not apply to SOVEREIGN NATIONS.
     
    Pinnacle and Neteller are under no obligation to follow US law UNLESS THEY WANT TO.
     
    Get a clue.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:08 PM ET #144

    Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
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    Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

     
    so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
     
    and I need neteller
     
     
     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by throwback559:

     
    so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
     
    and I need neteller
     
     
     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wool_worths:

    Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
     
    If they comply - they will certainly give you a chance to get all of your money you have there.
     
    Neteller is not going to endanger their worldwide business by stealing your money.
     
    Please.  Get a clue.  They are as big as Bank of America for Gods sakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wool_worths:

    Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
     
    If they comply - they will certainly give you a chance to get all of your money you have there.
     
    Neteller is not going to endanger their worldwide business by stealing your money.
     
    Please.  Get a clue.  They are as big as Bank of America for Gods sakes.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:11 PM ET #147

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
    That is true.  Most offshore companies use US checks
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
    That is true.  Most offshore companies use US checks
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2006 - 10:12 PM ET #148

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
     
    well were fuked , cant use neteller , banks are gona get strict ,
     
    what are we gona do
     
    I dont even have  a local 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

     
    They cant come after you.
     
    If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
     
    If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
     
    well were fuked , cant use neteller , banks are gona get strict ,
     
    what are we gona do
     
    I dont even have  a local 
     
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    KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY OPINION I AM STATING HERE IS BASED ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL NOT CONTAINING ANYTHING ABOUT THE WIRE ACT BEING UPDATED.
     
    If that happens - then we are totally fucked.
    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY OPINION I AM STATING HERE IS BASED ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL NOT CONTAINING ANYTHING ABOUT THE WIRE ACT BEING UPDATED.
     
    If that happens - then we are totally fucked.
     
     
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    We will have a few months anyway to get everything straightened out.  Bush will sign this bill while he is sleeping tonight.  But there is always the check method like VANZACK said...
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    We will have a few months anyway to get everything straightened out.  Bush will sign this bill while he is sleeping tonight.  But there is always the check method like VANZACK said...
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