Murray v Nadal

Sims you really think I care if you love this guy or not??Or for the matter don't like me? It was the same when I first hit the boxing forum. Then I just kept posting winners and people came round to me. Same will happen here...Just hope you don't have much on Murray...

https://www.expert-tennis-tips.com/are-tennis-champions-born-or-made.html

Shrimp I just proved your an absolute moron

"A champion is afraid of losing. Everyone else is afraid of winning.”

Tomorrow Murray fans will know what the above statement means

another good article -> https://self-awareness.suite101.com/article.cfm/wanna_be_to_champion

Tomorrow I have bet over half my roll on my FIRM AND UNSHAKABLE Belief that Andy Murray is NOT a champion. Not yet anyway..

If I lose not only do I lose half my bankroll, I also will never post on this tennis forum again..

See you all tommorow..

i don't dislike you, but you are out of your league talking tennis with TC.  this thread proved it.

Whis is all this Amway Rep "Champion" bullshit?

Champions BEAT other Champions.  Well, in 2 years, Nadal hasn't beat ANY "CHAMPIONS" outside of a clay court.

He loses, to people ranked..... people who are not even so called "Champions"..... people like Murray, Nadal also loses to people like Roddick, Nadal loses to Feliciano Lopez, Nadal loses to Lubjicic, Nadal also loses to Dvydenko, Nadal also loses to Soderling, Joker, Cilic, more Davydenko, Del Potro, Fed.

Meanwhile, the only TOP 10 win (not on clay) he has in 2 years has been Tsonga.

Does this sound like a CHAMPION?

 

For the Love of God........

Don't "Champions" have winning records against quality opponents?

Nadal does not.

In your Amway link, Champions "Win"

"Champions" should know that the role of a "Champion" is to win.

Isn't this "Champion 101" ?

 

You wanna see Murray's Record vs Top 10 Opponents (All Surfaces)......

2010:

Wins 1
Losses 2

2009:

Wins 14
Losses 6

Line dropping.

CHAMP Line now -160

"Does this sound like a CHAMPION?"

Any question of whether Nadal is a champion or not is just ridiculous. The guy has won 7 Grand Slams (both his Australian Open and Wimbledon titles came against Federer in the finals), an Olympic Gold Medal on hardcourt, and 3 Davis Cup titles. How else do you want him to do? Not that I'm a Murray-hater, but he hasn't done any of that. Let's go back to capping the match instead of bashing

Okay, I'll make a stab.  Havn't really seen much of Murray cuz American TV only shows the Serena & Venus nonstop but the bits and pieces I've seen of Murray looked like EXTREMELY SOLID AND CONTROLLED GROUNDSTROKES.  With pace and direction.  Also is pretty mobile out there.

Thinking Nadal's serve is not gonna be too much of a weapon and Murray will drag him into some baseline rallies and see how that matches up.  If he has the advantage (which I think he will), he'll just do that all day.

If that's not working, he'll get aggressive with his angles which from I've seen he can hit.  He clears the net by 5 feet and can drop it wide and keep Nadal moving.  Nadal is VERY DANGEROUS on the run with his groundstrokes.  Murray might just bottle him up inside and play baseline with him looking/waiting for an angle winner.  Nadal ain't too good at the net and Murray might bring him back and forth and then just pass him.

According to the stats, Murray's serve is a little iffy % wise so he's got to get that in but I don't think he'll get too aggressive, just more body serves and get the ball in play.

Do not like the fact that he has the English with their expectations.  Yes, that is added pressure but he's been around it for a while and also already been on Center Court this week.  All he can do is play his game and do not expect him to choke when he knows he has better groundstrokes.

He'll probably just play his conservative ground stroke game.  If that's the case, the pressure will be on Nadal to make something happen.

Murray's returning stats are VERY SICK.  And with Nadal's semi wimpy serve, should be able to tee off on that.

But essentially, pure baseline rallies all day. 

Would like to know what happened to Soderling.  Anybody hear anything if he was hurt in the Nadal match?

He certainly looked like something was bothering him but have not heard anything.

Meanwhile, Murray manhandled Tsonga who is a freaking BEAST at times.

Still +130????....... Come on book, at least show me some +140.  Will check that again in the morning.

No play on Berdych/Joker....... Talking about headcases.  Don't trust either one of those guys.  If wake up in time probably play Joker for a small unit but backing the Joker can get adventerous 

great thread and some good arguments back and forth and while mack makes some very salient points on murray's temperament at the top level and Nadal is a solid favorite on all available evidence, betting more than half your bankroll is nothing short of crazy.

These are Nadal's wins over the last two years on non-clay surfaces.

2010 Wimbledon (grass)
Def. (6)Robin Soderling(6,4.85) (SWE) 3-6 6-3 7-6(4) 6-1

2010 Miami (hard)
Def. (8)Jo-Wilfried Tsonga(10,4.33) (FRA) 6-3 6-2

2009 Paris (indoor hard)
Def. (8)Jo-Wilfried Tsonga(9,3.72) (FRA) 7-5 7-5

2009 Indians Wells (hard)
Def. (4)Andy Murray(4,4.86) (GBR) 6-1 6-2
Def. (7)Andy Roddick(7,4.43) (USA) 6-4 7-6(4)
Def. (6)Juan Martin Del Potro(6,3.58) (ARG) 6-2 6-4

2009 Australian Open (hard)
Def. (2)Roger Federer(2,5.54) (SUI) 7-5 3-6 7-6(3) 3-6 6-2
Def. (6)Gilles Simon(8,3.26) (FRA) 6-2 7-5 7-5

2008 Beijing (hard)
Def. (3)Novak Djokovic(3,4.89) (SRB) 6-4 1-6 6-4

2008 Toronto (hard)
Def. (8)Andy Murray(9,3.52) (GBR) 7-6(2) 6-3

2008 Wimbledon (grass)
Def. (1)Roger Federer(1,6.16) (SUI) 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7

2008 Queen's Club (grass)
Def. (2)Novak Djokovic(3,5.14) (SRB) 7-6(6) 7-5
Def. (3)Andy Roddick(6,4.20) (USA) 7-5 6-4

Does half your roll mean 200k?

im on nadal tmr.
BOL to everyone

never post in the tennis forum again?   Alright, you put yourself out there.  GL to you, im not betting on it but i hope it's a great match.  I do think Nadal will win.

Your wrong SIMS. If I don't get this right then I do not deserve to be here. The only picks I believed more then I do in this one was Mayweather and Pacquaio against Hatton both times. If I can't cap this correctly after all my self belief then I need to leave..

You really don't get it do you? Come 7pm tomorrow evening you will..

Your capping the match as if they are playing in their back garden's with no one matching. In the UK we have a sport called snooker. It was dominated in the 1990's by a guy called Stephen Hendry who won 7 world titles. In most of those finals he beat a player called Jimmy white. Jimmy talent wise was a far superior player. Any tournament that wasn't the world championship Jimmy White would not only beat Hendry by annilihate him. Yet when it come to the big one Jimmy could never beat him in the one that matters. So answer me Fried shrimp. Why could the naturally more talented player beat the less talented player in any one iof those 6 finals??

Murray does everything well I agree, but to win Wimbledon he needs to do more and thus far he hasn't. Look at his quotes for the match today.

Andy Murray insists the burden of history will not be sitting heavily on his shoulders as he bids to end the 74-year wait for a British men's singles champion at Wimbledon.

" "It's obviously been a huge, huge wait for us, and it's still going on now. The crowd obviously would love to see a British player win Wimbledon."

"He will definitely be the favourite for the match with his results here the last few years. He obviously didn't get a chance to defend his title last year, but he's played three finals in a row and now he's in the semis here. He's obviously a very tough player on any surface but he plays great tennis here. Psychologically I need to believe that I can win the match. That's the most important thing."

How can people back a player that has not been able to raise to the occasion previously??