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    Murray v Nadal

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 6:52 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    Great call on Nadal Mack. Im a huge Nadal fan but wasnt sure how this match would go. It basically came down to Nadal being awesome on the big points (which he always is). Murray didnt exactly play the big points all that well either. I think so many people have been either fading or betting against Nadal lately in these past two tournaments because they remember the 2009 version when he came back from injury. Its quite obvious his whole game is in MUCH better shape then last year. His movement, serve, groundstrokes are all much more crisp. He was a fragile watered down version in the small tournies and AO but we've seen the real Nadal in the french and now this Wimbly. If he wins on Sunday he will have 8 grand slams at the young age of 24. Thats pretty damn impressive when you compare that to how many the all time greats had at the same age. Today was prolly the best Ive seen him play since 2008.

    Delpo you need to post more...Every I see you post, you seem to be on the money. Why so shy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    Great call on Nadal Mack. Im a huge Nadal fan but wasnt sure how this match would go. It basically came down to Nadal being awesome on the big points (which he always is). Murray didnt exactly play the big points all that well either. I think so many people have been either fading or betting against Nadal lately in these past two tournaments because they remember the 2009 version when he came back from injury. Its quite obvious his whole game is in MUCH better shape then last year. His movement, serve, groundstrokes are all much more crisp. He was a fragile watered down version in the small tournies and AO but we've seen the real Nadal in the french and now this Wimbly. If he wins on Sunday he will have 8 grand slams at the young age of 24. Thats pretty damn impressive when you compare that to how many the all time greats had at the same age. Today was prolly the best Ive seen him play since 2008.

    Delpo you need to post more...Every I see you post, you seem to be on the money. Why so shy?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 6:56 PM ET #102

    great job Mack
    first it started with everyone fading murray and saying they would fade him the rest of the tourny if he won. and then he wins and u still pick him over Nadal

    BP & Capper put it lots of worked in this forum from what ive noticed but all the other trash talk i\from others is unnecessary.
    anyways glad to see youre all man enough to admit ur wrong.
    BOL the rest of the tourny to everyone
     


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    great job Mack
    first it started with everyone fading murray and saying they would fade him the rest of the tourny if he won. and then he wins and u still pick him over Nadal

    BP & Capper put it lots of worked in this forum from what ive noticed but all the other trash talk i\from others is unnecessary.
    anyways glad to see youre all man enough to admit ur wrong.
    BOL the rest of the tourny to everyone
     


     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:07 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    Great call on Nadal Mack. Im a huge Nadal fan but wasnt sure how this match would go. It basically came down to Nadal being awesome on the big points (which he always is). Murray didnt exactly play the big points all that well either. I think so many people have been either fading or betting against Nadal lately in these past two tournaments because they remember the 2009 version when he came back from injury. Its quite obvious his whole game is in MUCH better shape then last year. His movement, serve, groundstrokes are all much more crisp. He was a fragile watered down version in the small tournies and AO but we've seen the real Nadal in the french and now this Wimbly. If he wins on Sunday he will have 8 grand slams at the young age of 24. Thats pretty damn impressive when you compare that to how many the all time greats had at the same age. Today was prolly the best Ive seen him play since 2008.

    Delpo you hit the nail on the head. When Nadal is not 100% he is VERY beatable on any surface (even clay). I hope he wins Wimbledon because he will stop winning majors around 26/27. He is a BEAST but the stresses he puts his body through means it will catch up with him sooner rather then later. Just my opinion which likes to be shot down here.

    When he is close to top form it is SO HARD to beat him. He is one of the toughest mentally I have ever seen in ANY sportsman. Only when physically he is not 100% he lets you down. But my god what a champion. I have made all my money on betting on CHAMPIONS. He is one of the best.

    Capping for me is different then picking a few winners week in, week out. I read a funny quote where a great capper picks regular winners, even if he is down units . NO

    Great capping, is about finding a spot where for some god unknown reason people want to back against a great champion and you get beyond generous odds. Ala today.

    Delpo, I dont know about you but I still won't back Nadal in the US Open. That surface effects his joints more then any other surface and Murray outside of Wimbledon is ready for a slam. Might not be this year but he is very close, on hard courts...

    Shrimp the moron who says the mental aspects of sports is over rated, needs to understand unlike Wimbledon, Murray truly believes he can beat Nadal in New York and now that Federer looks human he will be very confident. Murray is the play at these odds for the US Open. If he plays close to his best he has a MASSIVE chance. The problem with Murray is that he aint Nadal/Federer. A guy like Meltzer can beat him and that will always make you nervous backing him. Still I can't resist +450

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    Great call on Nadal Mack. Im a huge Nadal fan but wasnt sure how this match would go. It basically came down to Nadal being awesome on the big points (which he always is). Murray didnt exactly play the big points all that well either. I think so many people have been either fading or betting against Nadal lately in these past two tournaments because they remember the 2009 version when he came back from injury. Its quite obvious his whole game is in MUCH better shape then last year. His movement, serve, groundstrokes are all much more crisp. He was a fragile watered down version in the small tournies and AO but we've seen the real Nadal in the french and now this Wimbly. If he wins on Sunday he will have 8 grand slams at the young age of 24. Thats pretty damn impressive when you compare that to how many the all time greats had at the same age. Today was prolly the best Ive seen him play since 2008.

    Delpo you hit the nail on the head. When Nadal is not 100% he is VERY beatable on any surface (even clay). I hope he wins Wimbledon because he will stop winning majors around 26/27. He is a BEAST but the stresses he puts his body through means it will catch up with him sooner rather then later. Just my opinion which likes to be shot down here.

    When he is close to top form it is SO HARD to beat him. He is one of the toughest mentally I have ever seen in ANY sportsman. Only when physically he is not 100% he lets you down. But my god what a champion. I have made all my money on betting on CHAMPIONS. He is one of the best.

    Capping for me is different then picking a few winners week in, week out. I read a funny quote where a great capper picks regular winners, even if he is down units . NO

    Great capping, is about finding a spot where for some god unknown reason people want to back against a great champion and you get beyond generous odds. Ala today.

    Delpo, I dont know about you but I still won't back Nadal in the US Open. That surface effects his joints more then any other surface and Murray outside of Wimbledon is ready for a slam. Might not be this year but he is very close, on hard courts...

    Shrimp the moron who says the mental aspects of sports is over rated, needs to understand unlike Wimbledon, Murray truly believes he can beat Nadal in New York and now that Federer looks human he will be very confident. Murray is the play at these odds for the US Open. If he plays close to his best he has a MASSIVE chance. The problem with Murray is that he aint Nadal/Federer. A guy like Meltzer can beat him and that will always make you nervous backing him. Still I can't resist +450

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:12 PM ET #104

    I like Murray at +450 for the US, too. What book can he be bet at that price today, Mack? Pinnacle doesn't have US open odds up, and Bet365 has him at +350. I'd be willing to create a new account to get those odds.

    Thanks
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    I like Murray at +450 for the US, too. What book can he be bet at that price today, Mack? Pinnacle doesn't have US open odds up, and Bet365 has him at +350. I'd be willing to create a new account to get those odds.

    Thanks
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:23 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by gsprush:

    I like Murray at +450 for the US, too. What book can he be bet at that price today, Mack? Pinnacle doesn't have US open odds up, and Bet365 has him at +350. I'd be willing to create a new account to get those odds.

    Thanks

    gsp I got it at Ladbrokes. Wait for a few days. You will get the +450

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsprush:

    I like Murray at +450 for the US, too. What book can he be bet at that price today, Mack? Pinnacle doesn't have US open odds up, and Bet365 has him at +350. I'd be willing to create a new account to get those odds.

    Thanks

    gsp I got it at Ladbrokes. Wait for a few days. You will get the +450

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:36 PM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:

    sorry Mack, you just got abused by TC throughout your entire thread.

    i tried to tell you not to mess with him and that he is the best tennis capper on the site.  you just proved my point even more.  i hope for your sake that other people don't read the entire thread like i just did.

    Absolutely ABUSED...You were right Sims..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:

    sorry Mack, you just got abused by TC throughout your entire thread.

    i tried to tell you not to mess with him and that he is the best tennis capper on the site.  you just proved my point even more.  i hope for your sake that other people don't read the entire thread like i just did.

    Absolutely ABUSED...You were right Sims..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:38 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Your wrong SIMS. If I don't get this right then I do not deserve to be here. The only picks I believed more then I do in this one was Mayweather and Pacquaio against Hatton both times. If I can't cap this correctly after all my self belief then I need to leave..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Your wrong SIMS. If I don't get this right then I do not deserve to be here. The only picks I believed more then I do in this one was Mayweather and Pacquaio against Hatton both times. If I can't cap this correctly after all my self belief then I need to leave..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 7:44 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Wow

    From what I've seen, you have 2 losses (Querrey and Tsonga) and one win (Nadal over Soderling).

    Your right Shrimp. Every topic on tennis I have started has totally sucked..Your right I am wrong. I SUCK AT TENNIS CAPPING

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Wow

    From what I've seen, you have 2 losses (Querrey and Tsonga) and one win (Nadal over Soderling).

    Your right Shrimp. Every topic on tennis I have started has totally sucked..Your right I am wrong. I SUCK AT TENNIS CAPPING

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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 10:13 PM ET #109

    Just watched the 2nd set and the tiebreaker.

    Murray was in control the entire set.  Nadal escaped there.  And it wasn't because Murray couldn't handle pressure, he just got conservative at the end of that tiebreaker.  He had him 6-5 with 2 serves in his hand.  Just throttled back because he had two shots at it.  For some odd reason, he went to Nadal's forehand a good 3 times in that 12th point (which is a big no-no on Nadal).  He had clean shots and could have put the ball anywhere, but just got too conservative.

    As far as all this "pressure" talk.  I think Murray can handle it though.  Peeled off 2 aces in that tiebreaker.  I think Nadal only got one first serve in and also had a double fault.

    Very close match.  And a good one.  2 sets down on Nadal will take the wind out of your sails but Murray has game. 

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    Just watched the 2nd set and the tiebreaker.

    Murray was in control the entire set.  Nadal escaped there.  And it wasn't because Murray couldn't handle pressure, he just got conservative at the end of that tiebreaker.  He had him 6-5 with 2 serves in his hand.  Just throttled back because he had two shots at it.  For some odd reason, he went to Nadal's forehand a good 3 times in that 12th point (which is a big no-no on Nadal).  He had clean shots and could have put the ball anywhere, but just got too conservative.

    As far as all this "pressure" talk.  I think Murray can handle it though.  Peeled off 2 aces in that tiebreaker.  I think Nadal only got one first serve in and also had a double fault.

    Very close match.  And a good one.  2 sets down on Nadal will take the wind out of your sails but Murray has game. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 10:18 PM ET #110

    Nadal's forehand is a pain in the ass though.  It's definately a weapon and can put it away from baseline.

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    Nadal's forehand is a pain in the ass though.  It's definately a weapon and can put it away from baseline.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2010 - 5:55 AM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Just watched the 2nd set and the tiebreaker.

    Murray was in control the entire set.  Nadal escaped there.  And it wasn't because Murray couldn't handle pressure, he just got conservative at the end of that tiebreaker.  He had him 6-5 with 2 serves in his hand.  Just throttled back because he had two shots at it.  For some odd reason, he went to Nadal's forehand a good 3 times in that 12th point (which is a big no-no on Nadal).  He had clean shots and could have put the ball anywhere, but just got too conservative.

    As far as all this "pressure" talk.  I think Murray can handle it though.  Peeled off 2 aces in that tiebreaker.  I think Nadal only got one first serve in and also had a double fault.

    Very close match.  And a good one.  2 sets down on Nadal will take the wind out of your sails but Murray has game. 

    Dude you haven't a clue...Murray didn't handle the occasion and the pressure exactly like I said he wouldn't. Champions win the big points in the big matches. Murray has yet to do it, 6-5 and serving for the set and he couldn't get it done. He is now coming to a crucial stage in his career. 4 of the biggest matches of his career (2 grand slam finals and 2 Wimbledon semi's) and besides the Roddick match he was soundly thrashed. That is a major concern for Murray.

    I think to make the next step he HAS to change coaches. Miles Maclagan I have always felt is a joke. Roddick's coach Larry Stefanki claims he would bave Murray winning slams with just one year with him. I happen to agree. Problem with Murray is that he is too stubborn to realise all this.

    His body language on court seriously needs an over haul. Smashing the net like a petulant child in the tie break. You would never see Rafa do that. Rafa never shows weakness on the court, Murray continually does so..

    I must be mad backing this fool in the US Open!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Just watched the 2nd set and the tiebreaker.

    Murray was in control the entire set.  Nadal escaped there.  And it wasn't because Murray couldn't handle pressure, he just got conservative at the end of that tiebreaker.  He had him 6-5 with 2 serves in his hand.  Just throttled back because he had two shots at it.  For some odd reason, he went to Nadal's forehand a good 3 times in that 12th point (which is a big no-no on Nadal).  He had clean shots and could have put the ball anywhere, but just got too conservative.

    As far as all this "pressure" talk.  I think Murray can handle it though.  Peeled off 2 aces in that tiebreaker.  I think Nadal only got one first serve in and also had a double fault.

    Very close match.  And a good one.  2 sets down on Nadal will take the wind out of your sails but Murray has game. 

    Dude you haven't a clue...Murray didn't handle the occasion and the pressure exactly like I said he wouldn't. Champions win the big points in the big matches. Murray has yet to do it, 6-5 and serving for the set and he couldn't get it done. He is now coming to a crucial stage in his career. 4 of the biggest matches of his career (2 grand slam finals and 2 Wimbledon semi's) and besides the Roddick match he was soundly thrashed. That is a major concern for Murray.

    I think to make the next step he HAS to change coaches. Miles Maclagan I have always felt is a joke. Roddick's coach Larry Stefanki claims he would bave Murray winning slams with just one year with him. I happen to agree. Problem with Murray is that he is too stubborn to realise all this.

    His body language on court seriously needs an over haul. Smashing the net like a petulant child in the tie break. You would never see Rafa do that. Rafa never shows weakness on the court, Murray continually does so..

    I must be mad backing this fool in the US Open!

     
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    Especially from Fried Shrimp. An Article written by a sports journalist I greatly respect. If you still don't get it after this I give up!

    "Seventy-two years and counting. But if Great Britain's last representative in a Wimbledon men's singles final now stands a lifespan away, it was a wait measured on Friday not by decades, but fleeting moments.

    The summary manner in which Rafael Nadal dismissed Andy Murray to ensure the host nation's prayers for a home-grown champion would not be answered were down as much to the Spaniard's split-second timings as his searing force.

    The statistics did not tell the story: Murray fired six more winners than his opponent, but was left flailing in the slipstream of a player who, like Pete Sampras before him, has the uncanny ability to raise his game at crucial times.

    As shots of sun strobed through the clouds over Centre Court, occasionally illuminating the same place where Bunny Austin last held court on the tournament's final Sunday in 1938, Nadal's knack kept the host nation in the shadows.

    First the series of ferocious forehands which flung Murray hopelessly around the court in the long eighth game of the second set as the Scot tried desperately to convert one of two all-too-rare break point chances.

    Then Murray's solitary set point opportunity in the tie-break, saved by Nadal with an audacious, lunging stop-volley at the net, the likes of which few previous proponents of the clay-court surface can ever have played.

    And finally, the moments in the 10th game of the third set when, with Murray serving to stay in the match, Nadal returned with such strength and accuracy that the home favourite collapsed to his second consecutive Wimbledon semi-final defeat.

    Nadal folded to his back in celebration, just as he had two years when he finally announced his status as an all-time great for the ages when he overcame Roger Federer in that unforgettable final in the Centre Court gloom.

    But with the match clock ticking towards its final match time of two hours and 21 minutes, there was little surprise that he broke again at the crucial moment, having already clawed back from Murray's break in the first game of the third set.

    Murray-mania, which had been stoked up from the start of the tournament and gathered momentum especially as Nadal struggled through early round five-setters and Federer was beaten by Tomas Berdych, was hardly given the chance to take hold.

    Murray had pumped his fist and roared a 'Come On!' after winning the very first point of the match. But it seemed less a cry of impending victory and more relief at having at least got something on the board against the phenom on the other side of the net.

    They slugged it out like heavyweight boxers, punching line after line with unerring accuracy, but always, always, there was the sense that Nadal would find the line that mattered, the point that would turn the tie in his favour.

    Even when Murray broke in the first game of the third set, that feeling didn't lift. As the set progressed, Nadal grew stronger and began to threaten. Murray by contrast faded, his first serve percentage fluctuating beneath 50%.

    Murray could point to some ill fortune, in particular the Nadal passing shot which clipped the net and dropped in deep into the second set tie-break, giving the Spaniard the break point he converted for a two-set lead.

    But inches were not the measurement by which to judge Friday's contest. The feeling was still that Nadal would have found enough extra to rebound from a second set loss, that it would have simply delayed his march into a fourth Wimbledon final.

    Perhaps he will never go on to master the surface sufficiently to challenge the amazing records of the likes of Sampras and Federer before him, but Nadal certainly deserves recognition as one of the grass-court greats.

    Twelve months ago as the reigning champion sat out of Wimbledon there was talk of injuries which could cripple his career, and major doubts whether he would ever return to be the swashbuckling force of old.

    Unthinkably, Nadal went 11 months without a tour title. But a stunning return to form in the summer clay-court season earned him back the number one ranking and marked him out once again as the man Murray would have to beat to end the wait.

    He couldn't, but according to the ever-generous Nadal, Murray's maiden Grand Slam victory is overdue. Once the fog of disappointment lifts from his shoulders, the Scot will surely take positives from yet another near-miss.

    Perhaps when Wimbledon rolls around again next year, Murray will be the one in the ascendancy, master of the crucial moments in a match which will ultimately decide his destiny. It is, after all, all about timing"

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    Especially from Fried Shrimp. An Article written by a sports journalist I greatly respect. If you still don't get it after this I give up!

    "Seventy-two years and counting. But if Great Britain's last representative in a Wimbledon men's singles final now stands a lifespan away, it was a wait measured on Friday not by decades, but fleeting moments.

    The summary manner in which Rafael Nadal dismissed Andy Murray to ensure the host nation's prayers for a home-grown champion would not be answered were down as much to the Spaniard's split-second timings as his searing force.

    The statistics did not tell the story: Murray fired six more winners than his opponent, but was left flailing in the slipstream of a player who, like Pete Sampras before him, has the uncanny ability to raise his game at crucial times.

    As shots of sun strobed through the clouds over Centre Court, occasionally illuminating the same place where Bunny Austin last held court on the tournament's final Sunday in 1938, Nadal's knack kept the host nation in the shadows.

    First the series of ferocious forehands which flung Murray hopelessly around the court in the long eighth game of the second set as the Scot tried desperately to convert one of two all-too-rare break point chances.

    Then Murray's solitary set point opportunity in the tie-break, saved by Nadal with an audacious, lunging stop-volley at the net, the likes of which few previous proponents of the clay-court surface can ever have played.

    And finally, the moments in the 10th game of the third set when, with Murray serving to stay in the match, Nadal returned with such strength and accuracy that the home favourite collapsed to his second consecutive Wimbledon semi-final defeat.

    Nadal folded to his back in celebration, just as he had two years when he finally announced his status as an all-time great for the ages when he overcame Roger Federer in that unforgettable final in the Centre Court gloom.

    But with the match clock ticking towards its final match time of two hours and 21 minutes, there was little surprise that he broke again at the crucial moment, having already clawed back from Murray's break in the first game of the third set.

    Murray-mania, which had been stoked up from the start of the tournament and gathered momentum especially as Nadal struggled through early round five-setters and Federer was beaten by Tomas Berdych, was hardly given the chance to take hold.

    Murray had pumped his fist and roared a 'Come On!' after winning the very first point of the match. But it seemed less a cry of impending victory and more relief at having at least got something on the board against the phenom on the other side of the net.

    They slugged it out like heavyweight boxers, punching line after line with unerring accuracy, but always, always, there was the sense that Nadal would find the line that mattered, the point that would turn the tie in his favour.

    Even when Murray broke in the first game of the third set, that feeling didn't lift. As the set progressed, Nadal grew stronger and began to threaten. Murray by contrast faded, his first serve percentage fluctuating beneath 50%.

    Murray could point to some ill fortune, in particular the Nadal passing shot which clipped the net and dropped in deep into the second set tie-break, giving the Spaniard the break point he converted for a two-set lead.

    But inches were not the measurement by which to judge Friday's contest. The feeling was still that Nadal would have found enough extra to rebound from a second set loss, that it would have simply delayed his march into a fourth Wimbledon final.

    Perhaps he will never go on to master the surface sufficiently to challenge the amazing records of the likes of Sampras and Federer before him, but Nadal certainly deserves recognition as one of the grass-court greats.

    Twelve months ago as the reigning champion sat out of Wimbledon there was talk of injuries which could cripple his career, and major doubts whether he would ever return to be the swashbuckling force of old.

    Unthinkably, Nadal went 11 months without a tour title. But a stunning return to form in the summer clay-court season earned him back the number one ranking and marked him out once again as the man Murray would have to beat to end the wait.

    He couldn't, but according to the ever-generous Nadal, Murray's maiden Grand Slam victory is overdue. Once the fog of disappointment lifts from his shoulders, the Scot will surely take positives from yet another near-miss.

    Perhaps when Wimbledon rolls around again next year, Murray will be the one in the ascendancy, master of the crucial moments in a match which will ultimately decide his destiny. It is, after all, all about timing"

     
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    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

     

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    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in talking to you. You are without a shadow of a doubt the least intelligent person I have ever encountered on this website, in ANY Forum. Do you realize just how stupid you come across with the above statement . I actually laughed out loud when I read it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in talking to you. You are without a shadow of a doubt the least intelligent person I have ever encountered on this website, in ANY Forum. Do you realize just how stupid you come across with the above statement . I actually laughed out loud when I read it...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2010 - 9:14 AM ET #115

    What don't you get?

    Pressure affects the serve.  Nadal served like crap that set.

    He's a good player, the best in the world right now but his serving was atrocious that set and especially in the tiebreaker.

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    What don't you get?

    Pressure affects the serve.  Nadal served like crap that set.

    He's a good player, the best in the world right now but his serving was atrocious that set and especially in the tiebreaker.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

     

    Is this some kind of joke? Rafa only so - so in handling pressure?

    Are you new to watching tennis or something? Have you watched any of the grand slam finals that Nadal has played against Federer? Have you ever seen the statistics in the big matchs between the two? Nadal is INSANELY good on huge points. One of the reasons he has beaten Federer the last two times in slams (AO and Wimbledon) is because he's unreal when facing break points and he plays the big points better then anyone on tour. Did you even watch the entire match yesterday where John Mcenroe said that Nadal is one of the best he's ever seen at playing the crucial points and that Murray has even said in interviews before that the one thing he admires most about Rafa is how much he steps up when the points matters. If you are seriously saying he's not good in handling pressure because of one single double fault in a tiebreaker then Its basically usless arguing with you.

     

    For you to even suggest Nadal doesnt handle pressure is ludacris and it either shows you've just started following tennis or really havent a clue what you're talking about. You love to lick Tennis cappers nuts so much, go and ask him about Nadal's ability to perform under pressure. The kid is one of the most clutch players this sport has ever seen and this has been said by people like Johnn Mac, Federer, Larry Stefanki, Andy Murray. You've been babbling on in so many posts but that little statement shows you dont have a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it.

    The "crucial" moments WAS the SECOND SET and TIEBREAKER.  Murray did not double fault in the TB but Nadal did.  Murray had incredible serving stats in 2nd set but Nadal did not. 

     

    Is this some kind of joke? Rafa only so - so in handling pressure?

    Are you new to watching tennis or something? Have you watched any of the grand slam finals that Nadal has played against Federer? Have you ever seen the statistics in the big matchs between the two? Nadal is INSANELY good on huge points. One of the reasons he has beaten Federer the last two times in slams (AO and Wimbledon) is because he's unreal when facing break points and he plays the big points better then anyone on tour. Did you even watch the entire match yesterday where John Mcenroe said that Nadal is one of the best he's ever seen at playing the crucial points and that Murray has even said in interviews before that the one thing he admires most about Rafa is how much he steps up when the points matters. If you are seriously saying he's not good in handling pressure because of one single double fault in a tiebreaker then Its basically usless arguing with you.

     

    For you to even suggest Nadal doesnt handle pressure is ludacris and it either shows you've just started following tennis or really havent a clue what you're talking about. You love to lick Tennis cappers nuts so much, go and ask him about Nadal's ability to perform under pressure. The kid is one of the most clutch players this sport has ever seen and this has been said by people like Johnn Mac, Federer, Larry Stefanki, Andy Murray. You've been babbling on in so many posts but that little statement shows you dont have a clue.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2010 - 10:40 AM ET #117

    Did you watch the second set tiebreaker?  That was basically the match right there.

     

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    Did you watch the second set tiebreaker?  That was basically the match right there.

     

     
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    The problem with Nadal is he gets too emotional out there.  That affects play.  Tennis at this level doesn't have a lot of room for spikes in adrenaline or even body temperature.

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    The problem with Nadal is he gets too emotional out there.  That affects play.  Tennis at this level doesn't have a lot of room for spikes in adrenaline or even body temperature.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Did you watch the second set tiebreaker?  That was basically the match right there.

     

    This doesnt make any sense.

    You said Nadal is only so - so in handling pressure. How the fuck did you even come up with this statement? Because he double faulted once yesterday in a tiebreaker on a crucial point? Last time I checked he then stepped up huge down 5-6 and came up with two very well played points that he was forced to hit quality shots.

    I cant believe you even insinuated that Nadal isnt that good at handling pressure or something. The kid is 24 years old, has 7 slams to his name and possibly 8 come sunday and is generally regarded by all the biggest names in the sport as one of the most mentally strong and clutch players this sport have EVER SEEN.

    You really must be new to this sport or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Did you watch the second set tiebreaker?  That was basically the match right there.

     

    This doesnt make any sense.

    You said Nadal is only so - so in handling pressure. How the fuck did you even come up with this statement? Because he double faulted once yesterday in a tiebreaker on a crucial point? Last time I checked he then stepped up huge down 5-6 and came up with two very well played points that he was forced to hit quality shots.

    I cant believe you even insinuated that Nadal isnt that good at handling pressure or something. The kid is 24 years old, has 7 slams to his name and possibly 8 come sunday and is generally regarded by all the biggest names in the sport as one of the most mentally strong and clutch players this sport have EVER SEEN.

    You really must be new to this sport or something.

     
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    And it's very naive of you to question mine or anybody elses tennis game in here.  You have no idea.
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    And it's very naive of you to question mine or anybody elses tennis game in here.  You have no idea.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    The problem with Nadal is he gets too emotional out there.  That affects play.  Tennis at this level doesn't have a lot of room for spikes in adrenaline or even body temperature.

    Dude just stop.

    Nadal's calmness under crucial stages of important times in matchs is one of the things that makes him great. Just because he jumps up or down after a huge points doesnt mean he's TOO emtional. I can understand if you dont like the guy, maybe you dont like his style but this is straight up hilarious that you are honestly questioning his emotional levels or ability to play under pressure. This is maybe one of the funniest most uneducated statements I have ever read on this message board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    The problem with Nadal is he gets too emotional out there.  That affects play.  Tennis at this level doesn't have a lot of room for spikes in adrenaline or even body temperature.

    Dude just stop.

    Nadal's calmness under crucial stages of important times in matchs is one of the things that makes him great. Just because he jumps up or down after a huge points doesnt mean he's TOO emtional. I can understand if you dont like the guy, maybe you dont like his style but this is straight up hilarious that you are honestly questioning his emotional levels or ability to play under pressure. This is maybe one of the funniest most uneducated statements I have ever read on this message board.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2010 - 10:49 AM ET #122

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    And it's very naive of you to question mine or anybody elses tennis game in here.  You have no idea.

    Not really when you make stupid arguments.

    at Nadal not handling pressure well and being too emotional

     

    GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU TOOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    And it's very naive of you to question mine or anybody elses tennis game in here.  You have no idea.

    Not really when you make stupid arguments.

    at Nadal not handling pressure well and being too emotional

     

    GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU TOOL

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    This doesnt make any sense.

    You said Nadal is only so - so in handling pressure. How the fuck did you even come up with this statement? Because he double faulted once yesterday in a tiebreaker on a crucial point? Last time I checked he then stepped up huge down 5-6 and came up with two very well played points that he was forced to hit quality shots.

    I cant believe you even insinuated that Nadal isnt that good at handling pressure or something. The kid is 24 years old, has 7 slams to his name and possibly 8 come sunday and is generally regarded by all the biggest names in the sport as one of the most mentally strong and clutch players this sport have EVER SEEN.

    You really must be new to this sport or something.

    Didn't say Nadal was not clutch.  I said he played YESTERDAY'S tiebreaker like ass.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:

    This doesnt make any sense.

    You said Nadal is only so - so in handling pressure. How the fuck did you even come up with this statement? Because he double faulted once yesterday in a tiebreaker on a crucial point? Last time I checked he then stepped up huge down 5-6 and came up with two very well played points that he was forced to hit quality shots.

    I cant believe you even insinuated that Nadal isnt that good at handling pressure or something. The kid is 24 years old, has 7 slams to his name and possibly 8 come sunday and is generally regarded by all the biggest names in the sport as one of the most mentally strong and clutch players this sport have EVER SEEN.

    You really must be new to this sport or something.

    Didn't say Nadal was not clutch.  I said he played YESTERDAY'S tiebreaker like ass.

     

     
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    Go watch the Tiebreaker.

    Just watch it.

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    Go watch the Tiebreaker.

    Just watch it.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Didn't say Nadal was not clutch.  I said he played YESTERDAY'S tiebreaker like ass.

     

    No this is what you said

    "I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it"

    LOL at someone saying Murray seems to be able to handle pressure and Nadal is only so - so at it. Is this bizarro world or something. This is one of the dumbest and least informed things I've ever read.

    ONE SET OR MATCH DOESN NOT MAKE A PLAYER.

    Nadal is one of the most clutch and emotional controlled players this sport has ever seen. Go ask the guy with the most slam wins ever about Nadal's ability to play under pressure and keep it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Didn't say Nadal was not clutch.  I said he played YESTERDAY'S tiebreaker like ass.

     

    No this is what you said

    "I understand pressure.  My point is Murray seems to be able to handle it....... Secondly, I think your boy Rafa is only so-so in handling it"

    LOL at someone saying Murray seems to be able to handle pressure and Nadal is only so - so at it. Is this bizarro world or something. This is one of the dumbest and least informed things I've ever read.

    ONE SET OR MATCH DOESN NOT MAKE A PLAYER.

    Nadal is one of the most clutch and emotional controlled players this sport has ever seen. Go ask the guy with the most slam wins ever about Nadal's ability to play under pressure and keep it together.

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