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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2008 - 5:51 PM ET #26

    casinos are not afraid of steam chasers more often than not you always lose your chase or run out of funds
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    casinos are not afraid of steam chasers more often than not you always lose your chase or run out of funds
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2008 - 6:00 PM ET #27

    A = 4-6 -5.78u
    B = 4-5 +0.25u
    C = 6-12 -1.67u

    November 15th, 2008
    Tor/Van
    Tor 50.70%
    Toronto +153 [B]

    Phi/Mon
    Mon 58.41%
    Phi +162 [C]

    Was/NJ
    Was 59.07%
    Was -120 [A]

    Ott/NYI
    Ott 57.19%
    NYI +137 [C]

    Bos/NYR
    Bos 54.27%
    Bos +115 [B]

    Buf/Pit
    Pit 50.22%
    Buf +135 [C]

    Clb/Min
    Min 51.29%
    Clb +180 [C]

    Dal/Phx
    Phx 51.19%
    No Play

    Col/Edm
    Col 56.84%
    Col +125 [B]

    Nsh/LA
    LA 54.89%
    Nsh +130 [C]
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    A = 4-6 -5.78u
    B = 4-5 +0.25u
    C = 6-12 -1.67u

    November 15th, 2008
    Tor/Van
    Tor 50.70%
    Toronto +153 [B]

    Phi/Mon
    Mon 58.41%
    Phi +162 [C]

    Was/NJ
    Was 59.07%
    Was -120 [A]

    Ott/NYI
    Ott 57.19%
    NYI +137 [C]

    Bos/NYR
    Bos 54.27%
    Bos +115 [B]

    Buf/Pit
    Pit 50.22%
    Buf +135 [C]

    Clb/Min
    Min 51.29%
    Clb +180 [C]

    Dal/Phx
    Phx 51.19%
    No Play

    Col/Edm
    Col 56.84%
    Col +125 [B]

    Nsh/LA
    LA 54.89%
    Nsh +130 [C]
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 7:50 AM ET #28

    Tom where did you go?
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    Tom where did you go?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 9:13 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:



    Well if you know you have a winning edge, you would actually maximize on your expected value using kelly. So if you have a mathematical formula or a system which is better than a coin flip, then using kelly will help you in the long run. If you flat bet, you are actually neutralizing  your edge.

    100% correct

    If you have an edge kelly can exploit it even more. No offence, but it's a fact. It does hurt more when you hit a run of outs, but long term you are in from

    Run some tests using kelly and your current staking method. You will be pleasently surprised

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:



    Well if you know you have a winning edge, you would actually maximize on your expected value using kelly. So if you have a mathematical formula or a system which is better than a coin flip, then using kelly will help you in the long run. If you flat bet, you are actually neutralizing  your edge.

    100% correct

    If you have an edge kelly can exploit it even more. No offence, but it's a fact. It does hurt more when you hit a run of outs, but long term you are in from

    Run some tests using kelly and your current staking method. You will be pleasently surprised

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 9:14 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    if you can consistently beat the closing line you would have an edge to  your system.  That is the reason casino's are afraid of steam chasers.

    all depends. If you constantly beat Pinnacles closing line then you win long term. Even Pinnacle admit that

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    if you can consistently beat the closing line you would have an edge to  your system.  That is the reason casino's are afraid of steam chasers.

    all depends. If you constantly beat Pinnacles closing line then you win long term. Even Pinnacle admit that

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 9:21 AM ET #31

    Paging Tom

    This system has been hitting at quiet a high rate the last 4 days.
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    Paging Tom

    This system has been hitting at quiet a high rate the last 4 days.
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