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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 11:17 AM ET #1

    I run a few variations of a 6-game homestand system where I chase home teams to win at least 1 game.  I use different filters to weed out bad teams so I've done very well this season.  There is another variation I use starting after the All-Star break where you play teams who are only at least 10 games over .500.  Tracking back to 1999, it's unbeaten.  See, the results below.

                            GM 1   GM 2  GM 3  GM 4  GM 5   GM 6

    2009 - 26-0  -     13       10       2        1

    2008 - 30-0  -     21         7       2

    2007 - 32-0  -     21         5       4        1         1

    2006   28-0  -     16        8        4

    2005   32-0  -    15       12        4                           1

    2004   21-0        9        11        1

    2003   36-0      25          5        5                           1

    2002   41-0      24        12        4        1

    2001   45-0      22        19        3                            1

    2000   33-0      17        11        3         2

    1999   36-0      28          6        1                            1

    TOTALS 360-0  212   105       32        6                   4      1

    As you can see most of the wins come within the first two games.  Using a martingale system which I use, this becomes quite expensive when it goes to a third game or beyond, but the record speaks for itself.  

    You also have to be cognizant of different things.  Last season, the Red Sox already had clinched a wild card berth and opened a 6-game homestand in the final week. They rolled out a minor league lineup for the most part and reached a fourth game.  That made them a no play for me.

    Also, if you roll out the same system for teams 10-games over while opening at least a 6-game road trip, the record is 367-3 dating to 1999 with the last loss in 2003.   32 of those wins came in Games 4, 5 and 6.  A little more risky, but the juice isn't as high.

    There will be 10 teams in play this season after having 6 in 2009.

    If anyone is interested, I'll post my plays here daily.

    C

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    I run a few variations of a 6-game homestand system where I chase home teams to win at least 1 game.  I use different filters to weed out bad teams so I've done very well this season.  There is another variation I use starting after the All-Star break where you play teams who are only at least 10 games over .500.  Tracking back to 1999, it's unbeaten.  See, the results below.

                            GM 1   GM 2  GM 3  GM 4  GM 5   GM 6

    2009 - 26-0  -     13       10       2        1

    2008 - 30-0  -     21         7       2

    2007 - 32-0  -     21         5       4        1         1

    2006   28-0  -     16        8        4

    2005   32-0  -    15       12        4                           1

    2004   21-0        9        11        1

    2003   36-0      25          5        5                           1

    2002   41-0      24        12        4        1

    2001   45-0      22        19        3                            1

    2000   33-0      17        11        3         2

    1999   36-0      28          6        1                            1

    TOTALS 360-0  212   105       32        6                   4      1

    As you can see most of the wins come within the first two games.  Using a martingale system which I use, this becomes quite expensive when it goes to a third game or beyond, but the record speaks for itself.  

    You also have to be cognizant of different things.  Last season, the Red Sox already had clinched a wild card berth and opened a 6-game homestand in the final week. They rolled out a minor league lineup for the most part and reached a fourth game.  That made them a no play for me.

    Also, if you roll out the same system for teams 10-games over while opening at least a 6-game road trip, the record is 367-3 dating to 1999 with the last loss in 2003.   32 of those wins came in Games 4, 5 and 6.  A little more risky, but the juice isn't as high.

    There will be 10 teams in play this season after having 6 in 2009.

    If anyone is interested, I'll post my plays here daily.

    C

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 11:48 AM ET #2

    Nice ..I may ride this with you, did you also try testing this on the Run Line to maybe keep the juice down ?..

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    Nice ..I may ride this with you, did you also try testing this on the Run Line to maybe keep the juice down ?..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:08 PM ET #3

    Never tried it on the run line. Perhaps one day I'll run the numbers to see how it would've done to this point.
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    Never tried it on the run line. Perhaps one day I'll run the numbers to see how it would've done to this point.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:10 PM ET #4

    hey CKP .. i can help out with that .. if you could let me know who the teams in play were for the past 5 years or so, i could check it out..thanks
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    hey CKP .. i can help out with that .. if you could let me know who the teams in play were for the past 5 years or so, i could check it out..thanks
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:15 PM ET #5

    I agree, RL is probably necessary for most.

    I did a forecast using -180 for all levels:

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    scary after level 3
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    I agree, RL is probably necessary for most.

    I did a forecast using -180 for all levels:

    clicky

    scary after level 3
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:18 PM ET #6

    I would have to go back and get the teams from 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005. I only started playing the system last season.   Just jotted down the teams from previous years on pape which I no longer have.  Can tell you that last year's teams were Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies, Dodgers and Yankees. 

    A web site called retrosheet.org is great. Has standings from each day going back like 100 years.  Only thing I don't like is that it's tricky to navigate.

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    I would have to go back and get the teams from 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005. I only started playing the system last season.   Just jotted down the teams from previous years on pape which I no longer have.  Can tell you that last year's teams were Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies, Dodgers and Yankees. 

    A web site called retrosheet.org is great. Has standings from each day going back like 100 years.  Only thing I don't like is that it's tricky to navigate.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:19 PM ET #7

    thanks man . i will check it out
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    thanks man . i will check it out
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:28 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnymega:

    I agree, RL is probably necessary for most.

    I did a forecast using -180 for all levels:

    clicky

    scary after level 3

    Not doubt that it gets pricey if not using the run line, but the stats are what they are.  I will admit if you were playing a team like the Yankees and they reach Game 4 you would have to make an adjustment. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnymega:

    I agree, RL is probably necessary for most.

    I did a forecast using -180 for all levels:

    clicky

    scary after level 3

    Not doubt that it gets pricey if not using the run line, but the stats are what they are.  I will admit if you were playing a team like the Yankees and they reach Game 4 you would have to make an adjustment. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:29 PM ET #9

    Quickly looking at the 5 teams above on the Run Line . the system was 24-0 ..the only big impact playing the run line had  vs the ML was for anaheim , who had a 2nd game win on the ML, but that series went to the 5th game on the run line..looks good
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    Quickly looking at the 5 teams above on the Run Line . the system was 24-0 ..the only big impact playing the run line had  vs the ML was for anaheim , who had a 2nd game win on the ML, but that series went to the 5th game on the run line..looks good
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:38 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Quickly looking at the 5 teams above on the Run Line . the system was 24-0 ..the only big impact playing the run line had  vs the ML was for anaheim , who had a 2nd game win on the ML, but that series went to the 5th game on the run line..looks good



    awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Quickly looking at the 5 teams above on the Run Line . the system was 24-0 ..the only big impact playing the run line had  vs the ML was for anaheim , who had a 2nd game win on the ML, but that series went to the 5th game on the run line..looks good



    awesome!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:41 PM ET #11

    Neisly,

                 Here are the teams from some previous years. Don't have time to run the numbers this afternoon.  Thanks for your help.

    2008

    Cubs
    Cards
    Red Sox
    Rays
    White Sox
    Twins
    Angels


    2007

    Brewers
    Padres
    Red Sox
    Tigers
    Indians
    Angels
    Mariners


    2006

    Mets
    Red Sox
    Yankees
    Blue Jays
    Tigers
    White Sox


    2005
    Nationals
    Braves
    Cardinals
    Red Sox
    White Sox
    Twins
    Angels

     

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    Neisly,

                 Here are the teams from some previous years. Don't have time to run the numbers this afternoon.  Thanks for your help.

    2008

    Cubs
    Cards
    Red Sox
    Rays
    White Sox
    Twins
    Angels


    2007

    Brewers
    Padres
    Red Sox
    Tigers
    Indians
    Angels
    Mariners


    2006

    Mets
    Red Sox
    Yankees
    Blue Jays
    Tigers
    White Sox


    2005
    Nationals
    Braves
    Cardinals
    Red Sox
    White Sox
    Twins
    Angels

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:46 PM ET #12

    If you follow the system you can make money.  The biggest thing is *trusting* it.   And after a year, I still sometimes fail to trust it after a few losses.  

    I use this same system on a seemingly daily basis for about 20 teams and have had great success.  I weed out bad teams like the Pirates, Mariners, Indians. Orioles .. etc.  It's been extremely successful for me.  If I do decide to play a bad team,  I may take the Pirates if I see they've reached a 5th game because then it's only a 2-game chase.  I have numbers for those if anyone is interested.   

    As I've stated, the biggest problem I sometimes have is sticking to the system once a few losses occur.  And some teams will reach a 3rd of 4th game.  

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    If you follow the system you can make money.  The biggest thing is *trusting* it.   And after a year, I still sometimes fail to trust it after a few losses.  

    I use this same system on a seemingly daily basis for about 20 teams and have had great success.  I weed out bad teams like the Pirates, Mariners, Indians. Orioles .. etc.  It's been extremely successful for me.  If I do decide to play a bad team,  I may take the Pirates if I see they've reached a 5th game because then it's only a 2-game chase.  I have numbers for those if anyone is interested.   

    As I've stated, the biggest problem I sometimes have is sticking to the system once a few losses occur.  And some teams will reach a 3rd of 4th game.  

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 12:51 PM ET #13

    Forgot to post the teams for this season:

    Yanks, Red Sox, Rays, White Sox, Tigers, Rangers, Braves, Padres (I really don't trust them), Dodgers and Rockies.

    If you decide to follow along, good luck!

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    Forgot to post the teams for this season:

    Yanks, Red Sox, Rays, White Sox, Tigers, Rangers, Braves, Padres (I really don't trust them), Dodgers and Rockies.

    If you decide to follow along, good luck!

    C

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 1:09 PM ET #14

    i know its your system at all (looks really good by the way). but you may want ot think about adding the angels for this year. im pretty sure they havent been swept at home in like 3 years, so i really doubt there going to get swept in 2 straight series 
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    i know its your system at all (looks really good by the way). but you may want ot think about adding the angels for this year. im pretty sure they havent been swept at home in like 3 years, so i really doubt there going to get swept in 2 straight series 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 3:22 PM ET #15

    Just checked 2008 and 2007 .. adding one more filter in, being that if the line is -140 or less you play the ML, any thing more than -140 you play  the RL , and there is still no losses,technically, playing strictly Run line you woulld have had a  6 game chase loss.. with 4 straight 1 run wins in 2007 with MiIkwuakee.. however 2 of those wins were at -118 and -138 .. so adding in that filter this system is still perfect..with few deep chases.. will do 06 and 05 a bit later.. looks good CKP..

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    Just checked 2008 and 2007 .. adding one more filter in, being that if the line is -140 or less you play the ML, any thing more than -140 you play  the RL , and there is still no losses,technically, playing strictly Run line you woulld have had a  6 game chase loss.. with 4 straight 1 run wins in 2007 with MiIkwuakee.. however 2 of those wins were at -118 and -138 .. so adding in that filter this system is still perfect..with few deep chases.. will do 06 and 05 a bit later.. looks good CKP..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 4:03 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Just checked 2008 and 2007 .. adding one more filter in, being that if the line is -140 or less you play the ML, any thing more than -140 you play  the RL , and there is still no losses,technically, playing strictly Run line you woulld have had a  6 game chase loss.. with 4 straight 1 run wins in 2007 with MiIkwuakee.. however 2 of those wins were at -118 and -138 .. so adding in that filter this system is still perfect..with few deep chases.. will do 06 and 05 a bit later.. looks good CKP..

    Thanks for doing the research.  If there are ways to improve the system, I'm always looking for that.  After all, it's about making money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Just checked 2008 and 2007 .. adding one more filter in, being that if the line is -140 or less you play the ML, any thing more than -140 you play  the RL , and there is still no losses,technically, playing strictly Run line you woulld have had a  6 game chase loss.. with 4 straight 1 run wins in 2007 with MiIkwuakee.. however 2 of those wins were at -118 and -138 .. so adding in that filter this system is still perfect..with few deep chases.. will do 06 and 05 a bit later.. looks good CKP..

    Thanks for doing the research.  If there are ways to improve the system, I'm always looking for that.  After all, it's about making money.

    C

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 4:12 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by CKP22:

    I would have to go back and get the teams from 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005. I only started playing the system last season.   Just jotted down the teams from previous years on pape which I no longer have.  Can tell you that last year's teams were Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies, Dodgers and Yankees. 

    A web site called retrosheet.org is great. Has standings from each day going back like 100 years.  Only thing I don't like is that it's tricky to navigate.

    Giants also were one of the teams last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKP22:

    I would have to go back and get the teams from 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005. I only started playing the system last season.   Just jotted down the teams from previous years on pape which I no longer have.  Can tell you that last year's teams were Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies, Dodgers and Yankees. 

    A web site called retrosheet.org is great. Has standings from each day going back like 100 years.  Only thing I don't like is that it's tricky to navigate.

    Giants also were one of the teams last season.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 11:49 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by CKP22:

    Not doubt that it gets pricey if not using the run line, but the stats are what they are.  I will admit if you were playing a team like the Yankees and they reach Game 4 you would have to make an adjustment. 



    88% of the wins happen in game 1 and 2. if you cut your losses after these 2 games and quit chasing, you'll still make a killing and not have to worry about the stress of each progressive level. am i right in this?

    are there any other parameters for this system? it's irrelevant whether the team is fav or dog, correct? seems too easy and obvious, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKP22:

    Not doubt that it gets pricey if not using the run line, but the stats are what they are.  I will admit if you were playing a team like the Yankees and they reach Game 4 you would have to make an adjustment. 



    88% of the wins happen in game 1 and 2. if you cut your losses after these 2 games and quit chasing, you'll still make a killing and not have to worry about the stress of each progressive level. am i right in this?

    are there any other parameters for this system? it's irrelevant whether the team is fav or dog, correct? seems too easy and obvious, no?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2010 - 11:52 PM ET #19

    also, this only applies if it's a 6 game homestand? meaning if it's a 7 game homestand or 9 game homestand, these teams do not qualify?
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    also, this only applies if it's a 6 game homestand? meaning if it's a 7 game homestand or 9 game homestand, these teams do not qualify?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 12:09 AM ET #20

    No other parameters.  Has to be at least a 6-game homestand. So, homestands longer count.  Play starting on the first game.  Once a win happens, that's it.

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    No other parameters.  Has to be at least a 6-game homestand. So, homestands longer count.  Play starting on the first game.  Once a win happens, that's it.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 12:19 AM ET #21

    Atlanta and Yankees are the next plays then.

    How did you find this data? Thanks for sharing
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    Atlanta and Yankees are the next plays then.

    How did you find this data? Thanks for sharing
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 12:33 AM ET #22

    Seen many variations of chase systems, but not quite this one.  Thanks so much for posting.

    Certainly post your plays in this forum if you want, but as an FYI, Covers Linesman will probably be on your ass to move this specific thread to the System Forum.
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    Seen many variations of chase systems, but not quite this one.  Thanks so much for posting.

    Certainly post your plays in this forum if you want, but as an FYI, Covers Linesman will probably be on your ass to move this specific thread to the System Forum.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 12:39 AM ET #23

    Next teams up and who they play:

    Braves  - July  15-18      -- Brewers
                  July  20-22      -- Padres

    Yankees - July  16-18      -- Rays
                     July  20-22      -- Angels

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    Next teams up and who they play:

    Braves  - July  15-18      -- Brewers
                  July  20-22      -- Padres

    Yankees - July  16-18      -- Rays
                     July  20-22      -- Angels

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 8:50 AM ET #24

    Braves -180. Are they to be played RL ?
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2010 - 10:29 AM ET #25

    While the research done by Neilsy looks good and I will incorporate it, I will play both the ML and RL.  Here are my plays for today:

    Braves -190  -   142.50  to win 75    - Listed pitcher Jurrjens

    Braves RL    -    20  to win 23   

    Other Home System I use

    Cards  -155   -  62 to win 40   listed pitcher Carpenter
    Twins  -115    - 51 to win 45
    Cubs   -130      45 to win 35

     

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    While the research done by Neilsy looks good and I will incorporate it, I will play both the ML and RL.  Here are my plays for today:

    Braves -190  -   142.50  to win 75    - Listed pitcher Jurrjens

    Braves RL    -    20  to win 23   

    Other Home System I use

    Cards  -155   -  62 to win 40   listed pitcher Carpenter
    Twins  -115    - 51 to win 45
    Cubs   -130      45 to win 35

     

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