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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 4:07 PM ET #1

    Hello Forum...I sure like some of the threads already going in here, and I figured I'd throw my own simple system to go along...
     
    I made a simple discovery some time ago. I assigned a number value to each team based on the same idea that everyone's name adds up to a certain number, and that number represents the value of that individual in certain regards. Ever heard the saying that "That team just has that other team's number?". I think it's true to a certain extent. I found that the team that simply has the lower number value in their total name when added up, is usually the favorite on the line around 70% of the time. I found that they will win as a dog against the spread at least 60% of the time. So, I will post the lower number dog teams, and we will see what the results are. If there's enough interest in time, I will post the value of each team, so you can do it yourself without any assistance. I use Pro-Line odds as the bench mark, as the line is always stable, and we don't need to get involved in line movements, and such. Here goes...
     
    Today's Games...
    NBA
    ATLANTA +7.5
    ORLANDO +4.5
    SACRAMENTO +12.5
     
    NHL
    NY ISLANDERS +1.5
    CALGARY +.05
    LA KINGS +.05
     
    Yesterday went 2-1, day before 4-0, etc...etc.
    Cheers!
     
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    Hello Forum...I sure like some of the threads already going in here, and I figured I'd throw my own simple system to go along...
     
    I made a simple discovery some time ago. I assigned a number value to each team based on the same idea that everyone's name adds up to a certain number, and that number represents the value of that individual in certain regards. Ever heard the saying that "That team just has that other team's number?". I think it's true to a certain extent. I found that the team that simply has the lower number value in their total name when added up, is usually the favorite on the line around 70% of the time. I found that they will win as a dog against the spread at least 60% of the time. So, I will post the lower number dog teams, and we will see what the results are. If there's enough interest in time, I will post the value of each team, so you can do it yourself without any assistance. I use Pro-Line odds as the bench mark, as the line is always stable, and we don't need to get involved in line movements, and such. Here goes...
     
    Today's Games...
    NBA
    ATLANTA +7.5
    ORLANDO +4.5
    SACRAMENTO +12.5
     
    NHL
    NY ISLANDERS +1.5
    CALGARY +.05
    LA KINGS +.05
     
    Yesterday went 2-1, day before 4-0, etc...etc.
    Cheers!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 10:36 AM ET #2

    Yesterday's Results... NBA 2-1 NHL 1-2. Does work better overall on the NBA.
     
    Once again most of the lower numbered teams are favored in the NBA tonight.
     
    NBA Dec 10
    Indiana +5.5
    Charlotte +11.5
    Phoenix +9.5
     
    NHL
    New Jersey Devils... +.05
    Boston +.05
    Calgary +1.5
    Saint Louis +1.5
     
     
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    Yesterday's Results... NBA 2-1 NHL 1-2. Does work better overall on the NBA.
     
    Once again most of the lower numbered teams are favored in the NBA tonight.
     
    NBA Dec 10
    Indiana +5.5
    Charlotte +11.5
    Phoenix +9.5
     
    NHL
    New Jersey Devils... +.05
    Boston +.05
    Calgary +1.5
    Saint Louis +1.5
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogCaller:

    I made a simple discovery some time ago. I assigned a number value to each team based on the same idea that everyone's name adds up to a certain number, and that number represents the value of that individual in certain regards. Ever heard the saying that "That team just has that other team's number?". I think it's true to a certain extent. I found that the team that simply has the lower number value in their total name when added up, is usually the favorite on the line around 70% of the time. I found that they will win as a dog against the spread at least 60% of the time.
     
    What does that mean exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogCaller:

    I made a simple discovery some time ago. I assigned a number value to each team based on the same idea that everyone's name adds up to a certain number, and that number represents the value of that individual in certain regards. Ever heard the saying that "That team just has that other team's number?". I think it's true to a certain extent. I found that the team that simply has the lower number value in their total name when added up, is usually the favorite on the line around 70% of the time. I found that they will win as a dog against the spread at least 60% of the time.
     
    What does that mean exactly?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #4

    How many games did you test this for...
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    How many games did you test this for...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 2:08 PM ET #5

    allbees..
    It just means that some names when put to numbers add up a different number. For instance tonight Charlotte is the Underdog, and their name total when added up is ten less then New Orleans. It's like a=1 b=2 etc, then add them up, and you get a total. So, Charlotte is a lower numbered team Underdog, and playing them will net you a win a bit over 60% of the time. Tomspeople..I've checked out HUNDREDS of games, and the average is just over 60% winning percentage. It's been that way for years. There were days of course when they all went south, so It's a plug along sort of system, for about ten percent profit on all your plays in the long haul. I never played it that much, because I am impatient and greedy, but I'm changing!...LOL. 
    I still find it very odd, that the lower numbered teams are so often the favorite on any line, and nearly every sport...go figure !??! There has got to be something to it. I think I will  go back for the last month, and put up the stats on lowered numbered teams being the favorite, at least for basketball just to show the forum what I'm talking about...
     
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    allbees..
    It just means that some names when put to numbers add up a different number. For instance tonight Charlotte is the Underdog, and their name total when added up is ten less then New Orleans. It's like a=1 b=2 etc, then add them up, and you get a total. So, Charlotte is a lower numbered team Underdog, and playing them will net you a win a bit over 60% of the time. Tomspeople..I've checked out HUNDREDS of games, and the average is just over 60% winning percentage. It's been that way for years. There were days of course when they all went south, so It's a plug along sort of system, for about ten percent profit on all your plays in the long haul. I never played it that much, because I am impatient and greedy, but I'm changing!...LOL. 
    I still find it very odd, that the lower numbered teams are so often the favorite on any line, and nearly every sport...go figure !??! There has got to be something to it. I think I will  go back for the last month, and put up the stats on lowered numbered teams being the favorite, at least for basketball just to show the forum what I'm talking about...
     
    Cheers!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 2:41 PM ET #6

    Toms, does this make sense to you?
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    Toms, does this make sense to you?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 2:53 PM ET #7

    Ha Ha   I am betting on Indianapolis...not Indy!
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 5:28 PM ET #8

    wild..so nothing based on the game itself.?
     
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    wild..so nothing based on the game itself.?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 6:11 PM ET #9

    Well, unohuim, Nothing based on the game itself...no. If games were that predictable, you wouldn't need any systems or structured guidelines whatsoever. Maybe stay away from the truly lousy teams at the very bottom of the leagues, but we know even they can pull off upsets once in a while...
     
    Anyways, legend has it that a guy came up with a similar system years ago, back in the '20's and 30's for baseball, and his family still owns quite a hunk of Vegas...
     
    Proof will be in the pudding.
     
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    Well, unohuim, Nothing based on the game itself...no. If games were that predictable, you wouldn't need any systems or structured guidelines whatsoever. Maybe stay away from the truly lousy teams at the very bottom of the leagues, but we know even they can pull off upsets once in a while...
     
    Anyways, legend has it that a guy came up with a similar system years ago, back in the '20's and 30's for baseball, and his family still owns quite a hunk of Vegas...
     
    Proof will be in the pudding.
     
    Cheers!
     
     
     
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    LET ME GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS SO YOU CAN JUST MAIL ME YOUR MONEY .... LOL ..  
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    LET ME GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS SO YOU CAN JUST MAIL ME YOUR MONEY .... LOL ..  
     
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    stupidest thing ever. The equivalent of throwing darts at a board. Man I thought Ive heard some dumb ideas but this one is the worst. Absolutely fucking stupid and theres absolutely no way EVER you can try and justify betting on a team because of what their team name adds up to. Oh my some people
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    stupidest thing ever. The equivalent of throwing darts at a board. Man I thought Ive heard some dumb ideas but this one is the worst. Absolutely fucking stupid and theres absolutely no way EVER you can try and justify betting on a team because of what their team name adds up to. Oh my some people
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogCaller:

     
     
    Anyways, legend has it that a guy came up with a similar system years ago, back in the '20's and 30's for baseball, and his family still owns quite a hunk of Vegas...
     
     
     
    Cheers!
     
     

     

    The posts just keep getting dumber and dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogCaller:

     
     
    Anyways, legend has it that a guy came up with a similar system years ago, back in the '20's and 30's for baseball, and his family still owns quite a hunk of Vegas...
     
     
     
    Cheers!
     
     

     

    The posts just keep getting dumber and dumber

     
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    The thing about it is it never changes ... week after week, year after year, you would always pick the same team.  So who does your system pick on Celtics/Lakers?  Supersonics to Thunder threw a new wrinkle in, but other then that it doesn't change.  Do you just use mascot name or city or both?
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    The thing about it is it never changes ... week after week, year after year, you would always pick the same team.  So who does your system pick on Celtics/Lakers?  Supersonics to Thunder threw a new wrinkle in, but other then that it doesn't change.  Do you just use mascot name or city or both?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyonlv:

    The thing about it is it never changes ... week after week, year after year, you would always pick the same team.  So who does your system pick on Celtics/Lakers?  Supersonics to Thunder threw a new wrinkle in, but other then that it doesn't change.  Do you just use mascot name or city or both?

     

    Exactly, thats why its so fucking stupid. So if the pick is the Celtics you like the Celtics over the Lakers in every game for eternity. I cant believe someone is actually dumb wenough to put their name next to that post. Picking games because of the "number" of their team names, oh my a degenerate will find any horrible reason to bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyonlv:

    The thing about it is it never changes ... week after week, year after year, you would always pick the same team.  So who does your system pick on Celtics/Lakers?  Supersonics to Thunder threw a new wrinkle in, but other then that it doesn't change.  Do you just use mascot name or city or both?

     

    Exactly, thats why its so fucking stupid. So if the pick is the Celtics you like the Celtics over the Lakers in every game for eternity. I cant believe someone is actually dumb wenough to put their name next to that post. Picking games because of the "number" of their team names, oh my a degenerate will find any horrible reason to bet

     
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    I agree it's pretty friging funny, but with as much thought and effort I put into my system, I know I will have a hard time keeping up with one that picks the same team till eternity based on some kind of numerology.  But hey what can you do ... I look forward to the >60% clip, I can toss my system, use this, and soon I'll own a bigger chunk of Vegas compared to what I have now.
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    I agree it's pretty friging funny, but with as much thought and effort I put into my system, I know I will have a hard time keeping up with one that picks the same team till eternity based on some kind of numerology.  But hey what can you do ... I look forward to the >60% clip, I can toss my system, use this, and soon I'll own a bigger chunk of Vegas compared to what I have now.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyonlv:

    I look forward to the >60% clip, I can toss my system, use this, and soon I'll own a bigger chunk of Vegas compared to what I have now.

     

     

     

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyonlv:

    I look forward to the >60% clip, I can toss my system, use this, and soon I'll own a bigger chunk of Vegas compared to what I have now.

     

     

     

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hilarious

     
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    ....if its a winner system 
     
    ....Lets give him a chance... 
    .... I have heard of stupider "sytems".....
     
    please back test it for us to evaluate....
     
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    ....if its a winner system 
     
    ....Lets give him a chance... 
    .... I have heard of stupider "sytems".....
     
    please back test it for us to evaluate....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2009 - 1:11 PM ET #19

    ....but be does have 5 black star rating....
     
    .....hit above 60% and we are all ears...
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    ....but be does have 5 black star rating....
     
    .....hit above 60% and we are all ears...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2009 - 12:31 PM ET #20

    I will just say this.  Some methods of picking teams are just off-the-wall.  However, I have never discredited anyone for trying and I won't start now.  It is just funny the ideas people come up with, and with all fairness to the original poster, if the system works and has a proven track record, then why not??  After all, we are in this for a common goal.

    We could even take the ages of the head coaches and pick the winner based on the elder of the two head coaches or pick the winner based on how many times that head coach has been fired.  If it works, so be it. 


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    I will just say this.  Some methods of picking teams are just off-the-wall.  However, I have never discredited anyone for trying and I won't start now.  It is just funny the ideas people come up with, and with all fairness to the original poster, if the system works and has a proven track record, then why not??  After all, we are in this for a common goal.

    We could even take the ages of the head coaches and pick the winner based on the elder of the two head coaches or pick the winner based on how many times that head coach has been fired.  If it works, so be it. 


     
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    I used to think LIONS, were always better than TIGERS and BEARS.  OH MY!  Boy, was I wrong!  Especially this year!  But you get the point.  I admit, it is unique way to pick teams, but as I said before, if the original poster can back test this for a few seasons in each sport to get a gauge.....  Also think about this, in a season where there are so many games, like NBA or NHL, any team CAN beat any other team on a given day.  Just my thoughts.  Hope the backtesting produces the 60% results. 
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    I used to think LIONS, were always better than TIGERS and BEARS.  OH MY!  Boy, was I wrong!  Especially this year!  But you get the point.  I admit, it is unique way to pick teams, but as I said before, if the original poster can back test this for a few seasons in each sport to get a gauge.....  Also think about this, in a season where there are so many games, like NBA or NHL, any team CAN beat any other team on a given day.  Just my thoughts.  Hope the backtesting produces the 60% results. 
     
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    gimme a break
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    gimme a break
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2009 - 9:23 PM ET #23

    I have never heard of a easier system to backtest ... all we need is the method, which is why I asked last week.  I'm anxious to put an end to this thread. 
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    I have never heard of a easier system to backtest ... all we need is the method, which is why I asked last week.  I'm anxious to put an end to this thread. 
     
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    At a certain point, the records will even out for all teams. If the system called for Celtics over Lakers, the Celtics may win a few but over time will lose, and eventually all teams will be close to .500 ats over an extended period of time, whether it's a season, 10 seasons, etc. And close to .500 ats against a particular team over time.
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    At a certain point, the records will even out for all teams. If the system called for Celtics over Lakers, the Celtics may win a few but over time will lose, and eventually all teams will be close to .500 ats over an extended period of time, whether it's a season, 10 seasons, etc. And close to .500 ats against a particular team over time.
     
     
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    I said in one post I'd love to hear any system suggestion and I would run some numbers against it and back test it.  "No idea too off the wall" I thought.  I stand corrected.  Backtest this with any teams record against each team (reversing ATS W/L of course with whether they have a larger or small numerology rating - oh man I am trying to hard to be serious).
     
    Okay so tacked on to the end of this post is your numerology chart (thank good for the "countif" function).  And because I nearly pissed myself laughing at your expense here is the record for the Timberwolves using this system from the start of the 2000 season until yesterday
    Timberwolves:  Win 338...........Losses 357
     
    Using this system you can never bet on the Magic (lowest score) and must always bet on 76er's, which spelled out is the highest score.  I don't know who you play if the Spurs and Nuggets play (same score). 
     
    Anyways, moving on....
     
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    I said in one post I'd love to hear any system suggestion and I would run some numbers against it and back test it.  "No idea too off the wall" I thought.  I stand corrected.  Backtest this with any teams record against each team (reversing ATS W/L of course with whether they have a larger or small numerology rating - oh man I am trying to hard to be serious).
     
    Okay so tacked on to the end of this post is your numerology chart (thank good for the "countif" function).  And because I nearly pissed myself laughing at your expense here is the record for the Timberwolves using this system from the start of the 2000 season until yesterday
    Timberwolves:  Win 338...........Losses 357
     
    Using this system you can never bet on the Magic (lowest score) and must always bet on 76er's, which spelled out is the highest score.  I don't know who you play if the Spurs and Nuggets play (same score). 
     
    Anyways, moving on....
     
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