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    wudl83
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    Posted: May. 13, 2014 - 1:07 PM ET #1

    Okay. I did some backtesting and I think it could work, at least the test showed profits over the past.
    After my latest system did not work as I wanted and it was too time consuming, I took a break over the weekend and sat down and was thinking about a system which matches the following criterias:
    1) No chase system since I tend to get too emotional with it.
    2) Statistical base and the system tells me what to pick.
    3) Backtesting shows profits.
    4) No emotions or my mind are involved.
    5) No need to look at names. Every name or team is treated equal.
    6) A clear direction for what to pick.

    I did a ton of queries at sportsdatabase over the weekend and multiple hours of backtesting. In the end I came up with a simple but apparently profitable system on over/under bets. I was surprised about the results from the backtesting but I hope those numbers don't lie.

    How does it work?

    In detail:
    As I said it's quite simple. I basically look at the recent over/under stats for the opponents of a game. Then I look at the recent over/under stats for the starting pitchers of the game. I sum the numbers up and if the numbers point clearly towards one direction I will bet on over/under regardless what the exact total or odd is offered by my bookie (Pinnacle).

    In detail:
    To give you some insight I simply take yesterday's games which would have been picked.
    1) DET @ BAL:
    - DET recent away: 6 o, 6 u
    - BAL recent home: 4 o, 11 u, 1 p
    - Porcello recent overall (later in the season when the starters have enough starts I will use splits for that, too): 3 o, 3 u
    - Norris recent overall: 2 o, 5 u, 1 p
    - overall: 15 o, 25 u, 1 p
    - pct: 0.39 o, 0.63 u (I take the pushes for both the over AND the under into account)
    - pick: 1u on under
    - pinnacle: total line 9.0 for -123
    - result 4-1, +0.81
    2) LAA @ TOR:
    - LAA recent away: 9 o, 9 u
    - TOR recent home: 11 o, 5 u, 1 p
    - Wilson recent overall: 4 o, 3 u
    - Buehrle recent overall: 3 o, 3 u, 1 p
    - overall: 27 o, 20 u, 2 p
    - pct: 0.59 o, 0.45 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 9.0 for -116
    - result 3-7, +0.86
    3) WSH @ ARI
    - overall: 27 o, 14 u, 6 p
    - pct: 0.70 o, 0.42 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 8.0 for +101
    - result: 6-5, +1.01
    4) MIA @ LAD
    - overall: 27 o, 19 u, 3 p
    - pct: 0.61 o, 0.45 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 7.0 for -137
    - result: 5-6, +0.73

    I don't want to trick or fool you. Of course you don't win every bet with this system and you will win some and lose some. Days like yesterday are extremely lucky.
    But my backtesting of 600 games in different months from 2010-2014 (130 games in each year from 2010-2013 and 80 games of 2014) have shown me a win pct of 0.56-0.57 on average. If I can continue this win pct it should show profit with average odds of about -115. Could come up with a ROI of about 0.05.

    To be honest and as I said I was really surprised how well it worked out at my backtesting. I will give it a shot definately and hope that the results were no coincedence (which I don't assume because 600 games shouldn't be insufficient).
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    Okay. I did some backtesting and I think it could work, at least the test showed profits over the past.
    After my latest system did not work as I wanted and it was too time consuming, I took a break over the weekend and sat down and was thinking about a system which matches the following criterias:
    1) No chase system since I tend to get too emotional with it.
    2) Statistical base and the system tells me what to pick.
    3) Backtesting shows profits.
    4) No emotions or my mind are involved.
    5) No need to look at names. Every name or team is treated equal.
    6) A clear direction for what to pick.

    I did a ton of queries at sportsdatabase over the weekend and multiple hours of backtesting. In the end I came up with a simple but apparently profitable system on over/under bets. I was surprised about the results from the backtesting but I hope those numbers don't lie.

    How does it work?

    In detail:
    As I said it's quite simple. I basically look at the recent over/under stats for the opponents of a game. Then I look at the recent over/under stats for the starting pitchers of the game. I sum the numbers up and if the numbers point clearly towards one direction I will bet on over/under regardless what the exact total or odd is offered by my bookie (Pinnacle).

    In detail:
    To give you some insight I simply take yesterday's games which would have been picked.
    1) DET @ BAL:
    - DET recent away: 6 o, 6 u
    - BAL recent home: 4 o, 11 u, 1 p
    - Porcello recent overall (later in the season when the starters have enough starts I will use splits for that, too): 3 o, 3 u
    - Norris recent overall: 2 o, 5 u, 1 p
    - overall: 15 o, 25 u, 1 p
    - pct: 0.39 o, 0.63 u (I take the pushes for both the over AND the under into account)
    - pick: 1u on under
    - pinnacle: total line 9.0 for -123
    - result 4-1, +0.81
    2) LAA @ TOR:
    - LAA recent away: 9 o, 9 u
    - TOR recent home: 11 o, 5 u, 1 p
    - Wilson recent overall: 4 o, 3 u
    - Buehrle recent overall: 3 o, 3 u, 1 p
    - overall: 27 o, 20 u, 2 p
    - pct: 0.59 o, 0.45 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 9.0 for -116
    - result 3-7, +0.86
    3) WSH @ ARI
    - overall: 27 o, 14 u, 6 p
    - pct: 0.70 o, 0.42 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 8.0 for +101
    - result: 6-5, +1.01
    4) MIA @ LAD
    - overall: 27 o, 19 u, 3 p
    - pct: 0.61 o, 0.45 u
    - pick: 1u on over
    - pinnacle: total line 7.0 for -137
    - result: 5-6, +0.73

    I don't want to trick or fool you. Of course you don't win every bet with this system and you will win some and lose some. Days like yesterday are extremely lucky.
    But my backtesting of 600 games in different months from 2010-2014 (130 games in each year from 2010-2013 and 80 games of 2014) have shown me a win pct of 0.56-0.57 on average. If I can continue this win pct it should show profit with average odds of about -115. Could come up with a ROI of about 0.05.

    To be honest and as I said I was really surprised how well it worked out at my backtesting. I will give it a shot definately and hope that the results were no coincedence (which I don't assume because 600 games shouldn't be insufficient).
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2014 - 4:05 PM ET #2

    Plays today? Thanks
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    Posted: May. 13, 2014 - 5:08 PM ET #3

    Yeah here they are. Had no access to the web since I was at the gym.

    Don't be surprised about the numbers of bets. Normally they hover around 2-5 for one day. But it seems that today a lot of streaks come into play so I come up with a total of 9 bets. This was the highest amount of possible bets I noticed while back testing. 

    All bets 1u each.

    DET @ BAL u8.5 -100
    LAA @ PHI o7.5 -120
    SDP @ CIN u7.5 -120
    PIT @ MIL u7.0 +106
    COL @ KCR o7.5 -110
    CHC @ STL o7.0 -100
    WAS @ ARI o8.0 -108
    MIA @ LAD o7.5 +109
    ATL @ SFG u7.0 +104

    Totals and odds may have changed throughout the day. I postet my picks at Pinnacle a few hours ago. So that you can see that I don't trick you here are the bets at blogabet: https://mlboverunder.blogabet.com/index.php
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    Yeah here they are. Had no access to the web since I was at the gym.

    Don't be surprised about the numbers of bets. Normally they hover around 2-5 for one day. But it seems that today a lot of streaks come into play so I come up with a total of 9 bets. This was the highest amount of possible bets I noticed while back testing. 

    All bets 1u each.

    DET @ BAL u8.5 -100
    LAA @ PHI o7.5 -120
    SDP @ CIN u7.5 -120
    PIT @ MIL u7.0 +106
    COL @ KCR o7.5 -110
    CHC @ STL o7.0 -100
    WAS @ ARI o8.0 -108
    MIA @ LAD o7.5 +109
    ATL @ SFG u7.0 +104

    Totals and odds may have changed throughout the day. I postet my picks at Pinnacle a few hours ago. So that you can see that I don't trick you here are the bets at blogabet: https://mlboverunder.blogabet.com/index.php
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 1:56 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

     
    All bets 1u each.

    DET @ BAL u8.5 -100  4-1
    LAA @ PHI o7.5 -120  4-3
    SDP @ CIN u7.5 -120  2-1
    PIT @ MIL u7.0 +106  2-5
    COL @ KCR o7.5 -110  1-5
    CHC @ STL o7.0 -100  3-4
    WAS @ ARI o8.0 -108  1-3
    MIA @ LAD o7.5 +109  1-7
    ATL @ SFG u7.0 +104  5-0
    4 w, 3 l, 2 p, +0.96u
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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

     
    All bets 1u each.

    DET @ BAL u8.5 -100  4-1
    LAA @ PHI o7.5 -120  4-3
    SDP @ CIN u7.5 -120  2-1
    PIT @ MIL u7.0 +106  2-5
    COL @ KCR o7.5 -110  1-5
    CHC @ STL o7.0 -100  3-4
    WAS @ ARI o8.0 -108  1-3
    MIA @ LAD o7.5 +109  1-7
    ATL @ SFG u7.0 +104  5-0
    4 w, 3 l, 2 p, +0.96u
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 4:08 AM ET #5

    2014-05-14

    All bets 1u each.

    CHS @ OAK o9.0 -100
    CLE @ TOR o9.0 -114
    SDP @ CIN u7.0 -129
    PIT @ MIL u7.5 -114
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    2014-05-14

    All bets 1u each.

    CHS @ OAK o9.0 -100
    CLE @ TOR o9.0 -114
    SDP @ CIN u7.0 -129
    PIT @ MIL u7.5 -114
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 10:42 AM ET #6

    am curious if the unders do better than the overs in ur backtesting...thanks
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    am curious if the unders do better than the overs in ur backtesting...thanks
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 2:04 PM ET #7

    Indeed they do slightly better, but I couldn't notice a big difference which would matter.
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    Indeed they do slightly better, but I couldn't notice a big difference which would matter.
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 2:10 PM ET #8

    But I am still continue backtesting and thinking about possibly including other easily obtainable variables.
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    But I am still continue backtesting and thinking about possibly including other easily obtainable variables.
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 6:43 PM ET #9

    wudl83,

    Thanks for posting.  You mention in the original post that you look at "recent over/under performance".  What is considered recent?  Last 5, last 10, other?

    Thanks again.

    Canis

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    wudl83,

    Thanks for posting.  You mention in the original post that you look at "recent over/under performance".  What is considered recent?  Last 5, last 10, other?

    Thanks again.

    Canis

     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2014 - 8:17 PM ET #10

     you have a good work but you need to take the weather in your formula,with sunny days more runs ,wind in no runs etc.....


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     you have a good work but you need to take the weather in your formula,with sunny days more runs ,wind in no runs etc.....


     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by CanisMajor:

    wudl83,

    Thanks for posting.  You mention in the original post that you look at "recent over/under performance".  What is considered recent?  Last 5, last 10, other?

    Thanks again.

    Canis

    Starters: last 10 away/home over/under stats (later in the season), last 10 overall (if the starter hasn't made enough away/home performances); this means that for the most part of the season I will take the starters overall over/under numbers
    Teams: last 15 away/home over/under stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanisMajor:

    wudl83,

    Thanks for posting.  You mention in the original post that you look at "recent over/under performance".  What is considered recent?  Last 5, last 10, other?

    Thanks again.

    Canis

    Starters: last 10 away/home over/under stats (later in the season), last 10 overall (if the starter hasn't made enough away/home performances); this means that for the most part of the season I will take the starters overall over/under numbers
    Teams: last 15 away/home over/under stats.
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 12:46 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by sabia:

     you have a good work but you need to take the weather in your formula,with sunny days more runs ,wind in no runs etc.....


    Oh yeah. That's a really good hint. Thank you buddy. This is one thing one should consider for sure. Gonna take this into account. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabia:

     you have a good work but you need to take the weather in your formula,with sunny days more runs ,wind in no runs etc.....


    Oh yeah. That's a really good hint. Thank you buddy. This is one thing one should consider for sure. Gonna take this into account. 

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 12:52 AM ET #13

    Ah well I forgot: it's not the teams' last 15 away/home over/under stats, it's depending on how many games the certain team has played on the road/at home over the last 1 1/2 months. Example: for the Indians I had 21 away games to take into account yesterday, but for the Pirates only 15 away games. I want to keep this more or less simple.
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    Ah well I forgot: it's not the teams' last 15 away/home over/under stats, it's depending on how many games the certain team has played on the road/at home over the last 1 1/2 months. Example: for the Indians I had 21 away games to take into account yesterday, but for the Pirates only 15 away games. I want to keep this more or less simple.
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 12:57 AM ET #14

    It's more or less based on my opinion that a fixed number of away games doesn't get it because of the teams playing a different amount of road games/home games over a certain time. I don't care about away or home games which have taken place too long ago.

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    2014-05-14

    All bets 1u each.

    CHS @ OAK o9.0 -100  4-2
    CLE @ TOR o9.0 -114  15-4
    SDP @ CIN u7.0 -129  ppd.
    PIT @ MIL u7.5 -114  4-1
    Yesterday: 2 w, 1 l, 1 p, +0.75 u
    Overall: 6 w, 4 l, 3 p, +1.71 u
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    It's more or less based on my opinion that a fixed number of away games doesn't get it because of the teams playing a different amount of road games/home games over a certain time. I don't care about away or home games which have taken place too long ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    2014-05-14

    All bets 1u each.

    CHS @ OAK o9.0 -100  4-2
    CLE @ TOR o9.0 -114  15-4
    SDP @ CIN u7.0 -129  ppd.
    PIT @ MIL u7.5 -114  4-1
    Yesterday: 2 w, 1 l, 1 p, +0.75 u
    Overall: 6 w, 4 l, 3 p, +1.71 u
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 2:15 AM ET #15

    2014-05-15

    PIT @ MIL, u8.0, -100
    TBR @ LAA, o8.5, -107

    Waiting for the lines of the SDP @ CIN games. Then I will pick the under on Kennedy vs Cueto like yesterday.
    System suggests over for CLE @ TOR but the total is 9.5 right now. I think I will stay away from it, not sure yet.
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    PIT @ MIL, u8.0, -100
    TBR @ LAA, o8.5, -107

    Waiting for the lines of the SDP @ CIN games. Then I will pick the under on Kennedy vs Cueto like yesterday.
    System suggests over for CLE @ TOR but the total is 9.5 right now. I think I will stay away from it, not sure yet.
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2014 - 11:26 AM ET #16

    I'm adding 
    SDP @ CIN G1 (Kennedy/Cueto) u6.5 -114
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    I'm adding 
    SDP @ CIN G1 (Kennedy/Cueto) u6.5 -114
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    SDP @ CIN G1 (Kennedy/Cueto) u6.5 -114  5-0
    PIT @ MIL, u8.0, -100  4-3
    TBR @ LAA, o8.5, -107  6-5
    Yesterday: 3 w, 0 l, 0 p, +2,77 u
    Overall: 9 w, 4 l, 3 p, +4,48 u

    Thanks Mr. Trout, thanks Mr. Balfour, thanks Mr. Boxberger. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    SDP @ CIN G1 (Kennedy/Cueto) u6.5 -114  5-0
    PIT @ MIL, u8.0, -100  4-3
    TBR @ LAA, o8.5, -107  6-5
    Yesterday: 3 w, 0 l, 0 p, +2,77 u
    Overall: 9 w, 4 l, 3 p, +4,48 u

    Thanks Mr. Trout, thanks Mr. Balfour, thanks Mr. Boxberger. 


     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2014 - 3:30 AM ET #18

    Backtesting still going on. Jeffthehat and another user told me that I should at least do a backtest of a full season which now will be my goal over the next days. This will take some time but I will do it nonetheless.

    I still need to take a bigger look at it, but currently I seems to be even more profitable when using the following criterias:
    - go about 1 1/2 months (about 35 days seems best) back to get the latest away or home over/under trends for a team
    - go about 2 months (about 55 days seems best) back to get the latest overall over/under trends for the scheduled starters (do not distinguish between away/home for starters)
    - don't bet on starters which have started less than 5 starts in this time span
    - bet only on games which show a over/under trend of at least .590 on over/under after suming up the teams away/home trends and the starters trends
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is 6.0 or less, only bet on overs and stay away from unders
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is between 6.5 and 8.5, bet overs or unders
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is 9.0 or higher, only bet on unders and stay away from overs

    Using those rules I was able to come wo a win pct. of nearly 0.6.
    After I did further backtesting I will tell you more about it.
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    Backtesting still going on. Jeffthehat and another user told me that I should at least do a backtest of a full season which now will be my goal over the next days. This will take some time but I will do it nonetheless.

    I still need to take a bigger look at it, but currently I seems to be even more profitable when using the following criterias:
    - go about 1 1/2 months (about 35 days seems best) back to get the latest away or home over/under trends for a team
    - go about 2 months (about 55 days seems best) back to get the latest overall over/under trends for the scheduled starters (do not distinguish between away/home for starters)
    - don't bet on starters which have started less than 5 starts in this time span
    - bet only on games which show a over/under trend of at least .590 on over/under after suming up the teams away/home trends and the starters trends
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is 6.0 or less, only bet on overs and stay away from unders
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is between 6.5 and 8.5, bet overs or unders
    - if the run total offered by the bookie is 9.0 or higher, only bet on unders and stay away from overs

    Using those rules I was able to come wo a win pct. of nearly 0.6.
    After I did further backtesting I will tell you more about it.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2014 - 3:39 AM ET #19

    The good thing is that everything is calculated very quickly via excel and doing some easy queries at www.sportsdatabase.com. You only have to set up an excel sheet with simple formulas and can use the same database query every day, only adjusting the team names, dates and starter names. Even a noob in database queries or excel could do it.
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    The good thing is that everything is calculated very quickly via excel and doing some easy queries at www.sportsdatabase.com. You only have to set up an excel sheet with simple formulas and can use the same database query every day, only adjusting the team names, dates and starter names. Even a noob in database queries or excel could do it.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2014 - 10:13 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    The good thing is that everything is calculated very quickly via excel and doing some easy queries at www.sportsdatabase.com. You only have to set up an excel sheet with simple formulas and can use the same database query every day, only adjusting the team names, dates and starter names. Even a noob in database queries or excel could do it.
    You mean like this:

    [IMG]https://i57.tinypic.com/2akhf5y.jpg[/IMG]

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    The good thing is that everything is calculated very quickly via excel and doing some easy queries at www.sportsdatabase.com. You only have to set up an excel sheet with simple formulas and can use the same database query every day, only adjusting the team names, dates and starter names. Even a noob in database queries or excel could do it.
    You mean like this:

    [IMG]https://i57.tinypic.com/2akhf5y.jpg[/IMG]

     

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2014 - 8:45 AM ET #21

    Yes and no. 
    1. I get different numbers.
    2. I don't calculate a total.
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    Yes and no. 
    1. I get different numbers.
    2. I don't calculate a total.
     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2014 - 9:32 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    Yes and no. 
    1. I get different numbers.
    2. I don't calculate a total.

    I was just referring to the 'do it in a spreadsheet comment'.

    I also use the season to date data and not just recent trend.  I try to pick a few best plays to keep my number of bets down, that's why I use the projected runs in my formula.  It's a work in progress.  Key is that O/U % though.

    Good job.  I will be watching to see how close our results are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    Yes and no. 
    1. I get different numbers.
    2. I don't calculate a total.

    I was just referring to the 'do it in a spreadsheet comment'.

    I also use the season to date data and not just recent trend.  I try to pick a few best plays to keep my number of bets down, that's why I use the projected runs in my formula.  It's a work in progress.  Key is that O/U % though.

    Good job.  I will be watching to see how close our results are.

     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2014 - 7:05 AM ET #23

    Ah okay then I misunderstood it a little bit, sorry, my fault. 

    Then I think our methods are indeed similar. Hope we will have success. 

    I will come up with new picks today. I was at my mothers birthday on friday and spent the whole day with my girlfriend yesterday.
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    Ah okay then I misunderstood it a little bit, sorry, my fault. 

    Then I think our methods are indeed similar. Hope we will have success. 

    I will come up with new picks today. I was at my mothers birthday on friday and spent the whole day with my girlfriend yesterday.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2014 - 7:21 AM ET #24

    2014-05-18

    DET @ BOS, u 8.5, +102
    NYM @ WSH, o 7.5, +120
    PIT @ NYY G1 (Morton/Kuroda), u 8.5, +107
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    DET @ BOS, u 8.5, +102
    NYM @ WSH, o 7.5, +120
    PIT @ NYY G1 (Morton/Kuroda), u 8.5, +107
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wudl83:

    2014-05-18

    DET @ BOS, u 8.5, +102  6-2
    NYM @ WSH, o 7.5, +120  3-6
    PIT @ NYY G1 (Morton/Kuroda), u 8.5, +107 3-4
     
    Yesterday: 3 w, 0 l, 0 p, +3.29 u

    Overall: 12 w, 4 l, 3 p, +7.77 u
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    2014-05-18

    DET @ BOS, u 8.5, +102  6-2
    NYM @ WSH, o 7.5, +120  3-6
    PIT @ NYY G1 (Morton/Kuroda), u 8.5, +107 3-4
     
    Yesterday: 3 w, 0 l, 0 p, +3.29 u

    Overall: 12 w, 4 l, 3 p, +7.77 u
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