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    World Cup Preview and First Round Game picks thread.....

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 2:35 PM ET #251

    Nice!!! a push in a bet like that you can't argue..now 0 0 (or 0-1 Uruguay) here would be amazing but anything under 2.5 and we continue to roll!
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    Nice!!! a push in a bet like that you can't argue..now 0 0 (or 0-1 Uruguay) here would be amazing but anything under 2.5 and we continue to roll!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 2:42 PM ET #252

    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    5dimes
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    ....and every local I know...

     

    Dont be a douche in someone else's thread.  Especially if you dont know what you are talking about.  i dont post nonsense in the boxing forum if i dont know the facts.

    Dude I hit 2/3 plays for big prices game on 1. I don't have a following to start my own threat on the soccer forum (I made my name on the boxing forum). I am not hating (I like Van) just trying to help and if I continue to post winners insn't that exactly what I am doing? I made one previous play in this forum and called it soccer bet of the season (Athletico v Fulham -> https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=36&sub=100749601 . As long as I keep posting winners and genuinely trying to help people you shouldn't hate on me

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    5dimes
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    ....and every local I know...

     

    Dont be a douche in someone else's thread.  Especially if you dont know what you are talking about.  i dont post nonsense in the boxing forum if i dont know the facts.

    Dude I hit 2/3 plays for big prices game on 1. I don't have a following to start my own threat on the soccer forum (I made my name on the boxing forum). I am not hating (I like Van) just trying to help and if I continue to post winners insn't that exactly what I am doing? I made one previous play in this forum and called it soccer bet of the season (Athletico v Fulham -> https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=36&sub=100749601 . As long as I keep posting winners and genuinely trying to help people you shouldn't hate on me

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 3:22 PM ET #253

    You dont have to have "a following" to make a thread.  I know you know your stuff in boxing, thats why I brought up that example.

    But to doubt that a total of 2 was out there and making a scene of it brought negativity to the thread and smelled of douchebaggery.

     

    Keep posting winners.  No one will ever have a problem with that.  Just take the drama elsewhere when you question people's plays.

     

    Peace

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    You dont have to have "a following" to make a thread.  I know you know your stuff in boxing, thats why I brought up that example.

    But to doubt that a total of 2 was out there and making a scene of it brought negativity to the thread and smelled of douchebaggery.

     

    Keep posting winners.  No one will ever have a problem with that.  Just take the drama elsewhere when you question people's plays.

     

    Peace

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 3:32 PM ET #254

    Great Work /.//

    Excellent read....

    I must have been Living in a Cave to have missed this

    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Great Work /.//

    Excellent read....

    I must have been Living in a Cave to have missed this

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 3:34 PM ET #255

    douchebaggery

    Love this word.

     

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    douchebaggery

    Love this word.

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 3:39 PM ET #256

    Great read. Good luck this world cup, van
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    Great read. Good luck this world cup, van
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 3:39 PM ET #257

    Good point McBride I really don't want to bring this thread down. Its very helpful, well written and mostly excellent points. I would rather contribute to a great thread like this instead of getting 4 hits on my own  -> https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=36&sub=100766093

    Will support the Van da man going forward 100% and will keep adding here. One thread where hopefully people feel they can get good info from all..

     

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    Good point McBride I really don't want to bring this thread down. Its very helpful, well written and mostly excellent points. I would rather contribute to a great thread like this instead of getting 4 hits on my own  -> https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=36&sub=100766093

    Will support the Van da man going forward 100% and will keep adding here. One thread where hopefully people feel they can get good info from all..

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:12 PM ET #258

    Quote Originally Posted by MWdePro:

    I know France has not been looking good at all but I am finding it hard to bet against them.......Uruguay play football similar to Arsenal. Short swift passes keeping the ball on the ground and its really good to watch them, the whole team moves forward ..........Uruguay are playing as a team which is what France are lacking.....Frances starting team is amazing on paper and I find it so hard to bet against them even though all signs put to 1X in their matchup against Uruguay..........On paper they rival any team.....France has good quality and depth.......If these seasoned veterens can somehow click when the pressure is on....they can hang with the best in the world......Henry, Anelka, Malouda,Cisse, Ribery, Sagna, Evra, Clichy, Gignac.....More than enough quality and experience.......Uruguay may be overwhelmed with that midfiald battle, the speed of Henry and Riberys abilty to penetrate the defense with the ball could spell trouble for Uruguay and their defense....Malouda and Anelka play together so that should help a lot and with Evra and Gallas in the back it is certainly enough experience and quality to hold off any tream....France have a history of not scoring many goals but the same is said for their opponents.......they give up very few goals..........I think this could go 1-0 to either team..........This game is a tough call...Im just not willing to bet against a team who has a history for winning at the right time.....and Henry is due for a break out toury in his career....He generally under performs on the big stage but with thte hand of god incident,,,,,,,,what more motivation does he need to prove to the world that he is one of the best in the world............Hes heading to NY RedBulls I think and hes not wanted by Barca so I think he has something to prove to himself too...He knows this is his last World Cup...........I still see France winning the group.........at worst....second........Mexico and Uruguay will not be the two who progress.........It will be france........and one of the two......IMO

    Take these friendlies with a grain of salt....I see a lot of lazy, demotivated, "I dont want to get injured," styles of play.......Many teams are still cutting their squads to the required 23 men and they are putting their weakest links in the roughest possible positions to determine who stays and who goes....The coaches knows their starting 11........They are sorting out suitable replacements right now..........try to remember your thoughts before the friendlies and see what has changed...........

    For me.......the friendlies have helped and hindered...........They confirmed to me that Greece suck when I thought they would do well......Paraguay and Chile really impressed me moving forward as a team and I was surprised how good they looked but I am still a bit skeptical because I know their striking is world class////but how is the defense ...will the defense hold up////

    Sorry to ramble.........I dont support France by the way.......Just worried about betting on day 1.......Mexico DNB @ 1.875 is locked in........Now what to do in the France game??????????

     

    Getting close to the start...........CANT FKN WAIT

    Just wanted to show "Sharpstick" my thoughts........
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWdePro:

    I know France has not been looking good at all but I am finding it hard to bet against them.......Uruguay play football similar to Arsenal. Short swift passes keeping the ball on the ground and its really good to watch them, the whole team moves forward ..........Uruguay are playing as a team which is what France are lacking.....Frances starting team is amazing on paper and I find it so hard to bet against them even though all signs put to 1X in their matchup against Uruguay..........On paper they rival any team.....France has good quality and depth.......If these seasoned veterens can somehow click when the pressure is on....they can hang with the best in the world......Henry, Anelka, Malouda,Cisse, Ribery, Sagna, Evra, Clichy, Gignac.....More than enough quality and experience.......Uruguay may be overwhelmed with that midfiald battle, the speed of Henry and Riberys abilty to penetrate the defense with the ball could spell trouble for Uruguay and their defense....Malouda and Anelka play together so that should help a lot and with Evra and Gallas in the back it is certainly enough experience and quality to hold off any tream....France have a history of not scoring many goals but the same is said for their opponents.......they give up very few goals..........I think this could go 1-0 to either team..........This game is a tough call...Im just not willing to bet against a team who has a history for winning at the right time.....and Henry is due for a break out toury in his career....He generally under performs on the big stage but with thte hand of god incident,,,,,,,,what more motivation does he need to prove to the world that he is one of the best in the world............Hes heading to NY RedBulls I think and hes not wanted by Barca so I think he has something to prove to himself too...He knows this is his last World Cup...........I still see France winning the group.........at worst....second........Mexico and Uruguay will not be the two who progress.........It will be france........and one of the two......IMO

    Take these friendlies with a grain of salt....I see a lot of lazy, demotivated, "I dont want to get injured," styles of play.......Many teams are still cutting their squads to the required 23 men and they are putting their weakest links in the roughest possible positions to determine who stays and who goes....The coaches knows their starting 11........They are sorting out suitable replacements right now..........try to remember your thoughts before the friendlies and see what has changed...........

    For me.......the friendlies have helped and hindered...........They confirmed to me that Greece suck when I thought they would do well......Paraguay and Chile really impressed me moving forward as a team and I was surprised how good they looked but I am still a bit skeptical because I know their striking is world class////but how is the defense ...will the defense hold up////

    Sorry to ramble.........I dont support France by the way.......Just worried about betting on day 1.......Mexico DNB @ 1.875 is locked in........Now what to do in the France game??????????

     

    Getting close to the start...........CANT FKN WAIT

    Just wanted to show "Sharpstick" my thoughts........
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:21 PM ET #259

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I don't like the over in South Africa v Mexico. Most opening games are cagey affairs. I think this ends 0-0, 1-0 or 1-1. Either way no real strong feelings for me opening game(s). For me small play on 1-1 @ +500 and small play 1-0 South Africa @+600. Main play Under 2.5 goals @ -180...

    France v Uruguay is a non betting game for me. Again a small play 0 - 0 @ + 650 and a chancey Uruguay 1-0 @ +800. Again like the under here...

    Day 2: South Korea to beat Greece @ +200. Argentina should beat Nigeria but something really fishy about that line -200??Going to take a stab at the draw +300.

    I will play England v USA over as well...Looks like goals here...

    All small plays. Best way to make money bet Brazil and Argentina Pre tourney..

    Crazy good start at big prices for me the main under bets hitting both games as well is the icing on the cake. I think Vanzack has a better play tomorrow with under goals for Korea v Greece, but I seem to be rolling so will stick to my orginal selection of Korea. More a hunch then anything so don't tail with confidence. I like Van's play of the over goals England v USA. I think this will be the first dramatic game of the tournament.

    Argies should win, so if you are playing them take the -1 as if they win they will cover that. I am playing the draw for +300 but fade me here I think..Will try keep the winners coming but think vanzack has the better picks tomorrow 

    Will be back Sunday when I have a chance to analyze the games more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I don't like the over in South Africa v Mexico. Most opening games are cagey affairs. I think this ends 0-0, 1-0 or 1-1. Either way no real strong feelings for me opening game(s). For me small play on 1-1 @ +500 and small play 1-0 South Africa @+600. Main play Under 2.5 goals @ -180...

    France v Uruguay is a non betting game for me. Again a small play 0 - 0 @ + 650 and a chancey Uruguay 1-0 @ +800. Again like the under here...

    Day 2: South Korea to beat Greece @ +200. Argentina should beat Nigeria but something really fishy about that line -200??Going to take a stab at the draw +300.

    I will play England v USA over as well...Looks like goals here...

    All small plays. Best way to make money bet Brazil and Argentina Pre tourney..

    Crazy good start at big prices for me the main under bets hitting both games as well is the icing on the cake. I think Vanzack has a better play tomorrow with under goals for Korea v Greece, but I seem to be rolling so will stick to my orginal selection of Korea. More a hunch then anything so don't tail with confidence. I like Van's play of the over goals England v USA. I think this will be the first dramatic game of the tournament.

    Argies should win, so if you are playing them take the -1 as if they win they will cover that. I am playing the draw for +300 but fade me here I think..Will try keep the winners coming but think vanzack has the better picks tomorrow 

    Will be back Sunday when I have a chance to analyze the games more..

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:32 PM ET #260

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It makes it easier to bet France NOT to win.  Some people dont realize you can bet the draw and Uruguay and that would equal Uruguay +.5.  Also, you would have to figure out the ratio to risk.

    Also - you will have less juice betting it on a 2 way line rather than a 3 way line....  Just trust me on this one - or do the math yourself....

    Not much on Soccer knowledge but this was pretty good info/math... got paid... much appreciated sir.    by the way been a nice read for a week or so.  got a couple down based on your write up.  GL rest of the way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It makes it easier to bet France NOT to win.  Some people dont realize you can bet the draw and Uruguay and that would equal Uruguay +.5.  Also, you would have to figure out the ratio to risk.

    Also - you will have less juice betting it on a 2 way line rather than a 3 way line....  Just trust me on this one - or do the math yourself....

    Not much on Soccer knowledge but this was pretty good info/math... got paid... much appreciated sir.    by the way been a nice read for a week or so.  got a couple down based on your write up.  GL rest of the way .

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:35 PM ET #261

    YESSSSSSSSSSSS!! just as I posted Uraguay NTL!!!

    I just sorta went LOCO and laid 14.50 u and won 10 units..my goal as I posted earlier is 15 units...guess us WC rookies need to practice money management better..LOL!!!!

    ThanksVan!!!!

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    YESSSSSSSSSSSS!! just as I posted Uraguay NTL!!!

    I just sorta went LOCO and laid 14.50 u and won 10 units..my goal as I posted earlier is 15 units...guess us WC rookies need to practice money management better..LOL!!!!

    ThanksVan!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:36 PM ET #262

    That was a great example of a game that the average person watching would call "boring" - but you put a Uruguay +.5 goal bet on it and it goes to nails bleeding time.

    Game in retrospect pretty close to what I expected - France just doesnt have a leader, they arent cohesive - they are like an all star team put together at the last minute who cant play together.  There is still a chance that they get their shit together, and they can be dangerous.

    I wish France had SA next (they have Mexico) because France would just open them up - but will have to wait and see what it looks like by the last game.

    I certainly think you saw the better two teams in the later game than the earlier game, and my bets in this group through the rest of the round should imitate that.

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    That was a great example of a game that the average person watching would call "boring" - but you put a Uruguay +.5 goal bet on it and it goes to nails bleeding time.

    Game in retrospect pretty close to what I expected - France just doesnt have a leader, they arent cohesive - they are like an all star team put together at the last minute who cant play together.  There is still a chance that they get their shit together, and they can be dangerous.

    I wish France had SA next (they have Mexico) because France would just open them up - but will have to wait and see what it looks like by the last game.

    I certainly think you saw the better two teams in the later game than the earlier game, and my bets in this group through the rest of the round should imitate that.

    GO USA!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:39 PM ET #263

    van ty i did just as you said bet the draw and ur +.5 and won both
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    van ty i did just as you said bet the draw and ur +.5 and won both
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:49 PM ET #264

    Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:

    douchebaggery

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    I think i learned it from one you guys in the Box

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    douchebaggery

    Love this word.

     

    I think i learned it from one you guys in the Box

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 4:54 PM ET #265

    I wont be around hardly at all tomorrow - so I better repost these....

    1.  SA / Mex over 2 -122 (1.5 units) -  PUSH
    2.  Uruguay +.5 -109 (2 units) - WIN
    3.  SK / Greec under 2 -103 (2 units) and 0-0 at +600 (.5 unit)
    4.  Nigeria -200 (2 units to win 1 unit)
    5.  USA / Eng over 2.5 +105 (2.5 units)

    SUNDAY:

    6.   Slovenia / Algeria - no bet.  I see this as being a defensive game, and I think it is priced about right.  Slovenia should be a slight favorite, and the total should be low - so I dont see a betting opportunity on this one other than maybe a draw at +230.  I will go to school on this one for future games.  Predicted final score Algeria 1 Slovenia 1.

    7.  Serbia / Ghana - Serbia to win +116 (2 units).  Serbia should be able to open up Ghana with constant pressure in the midfield, and expose a defensive lapse or two.  I dont see Ghana getting many chances on net without Essien as the quarterback - and the rock solid defense of Serbia will frustrate the Ghana offense all day.  I see this as being one of those 1-0 or 2-0 games you look back and think that Ghana never had a chance - Serbia gets the first goal and locks it up on D....  Predicted final score Serbia 1-0.

    8.  Germany / Australia - Australia +1 +106 (1 unit).  Im not thrilled about this one, Australia is largely untested coming out of their new qualification group - but they are basically a very similar team that made a run 4 years ago - against a German squad that might lack punch.  Add that to this being the first game for both sides - and I will take a small shot here that Germany wont win by multiple goals.  Better chance of a draw here than multiple goal win IMO, but most likely result is....  Predicted final score Germany 2 Australia 1.

     

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    I wont be around hardly at all tomorrow - so I better repost these....

    1.  SA / Mex over 2 -122 (1.5 units) -  PUSH
    2.  Uruguay +.5 -109 (2 units) - WIN
    3.  SK / Greec under 2 -103 (2 units) and 0-0 at +600 (.5 unit)
    4.  Nigeria -200 (2 units to win 1 unit)
    5.  USA / Eng over 2.5 +105 (2.5 units)

    SUNDAY:

    6.   Slovenia / Algeria - no bet.  I see this as being a defensive game, and I think it is priced about right.  Slovenia should be a slight favorite, and the total should be low - so I dont see a betting opportunity on this one other than maybe a draw at +230.  I will go to school on this one for future games.  Predicted final score Algeria 1 Slovenia 1.

    7.  Serbia / Ghana - Serbia to win +116 (2 units).  Serbia should be able to open up Ghana with constant pressure in the midfield, and expose a defensive lapse or two.  I dont see Ghana getting many chances on net without Essien as the quarterback - and the rock solid defense of Serbia will frustrate the Ghana offense all day.  I see this as being one of those 1-0 or 2-0 games you look back and think that Ghana never had a chance - Serbia gets the first goal and locks it up on D....  Predicted final score Serbia 1-0.

    8.  Germany / Australia - Australia +1 +106 (1 unit).  Im not thrilled about this one, Australia is largely untested coming out of their new qualification group - but they are basically a very similar team that made a run 4 years ago - against a German squad that might lack punch.  Add that to this being the first game for both sides - and I will take a small shot here that Germany wont win by multiple goals.  Better chance of a draw here than multiple goal win IMO, but most likely result is....  Predicted final score Germany 2 Australia 1.

     

    GL ALL AND GO USA!!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 5:11 PM ET #266

    Both the lines for England over and Greece under on the move.....
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    Both the lines for England over and Greece under on the move.....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 5:17 PM ET #267

     You posted Nigeria -200 again 
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 5:49 PM ET #268

    Quote Originally Posted by tmpeus78:

     You posted Nigeria -200 again 

    Should be Argentina....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmpeus78:

     You posted Nigeria -200 again 

    Should be Argentina....

     
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    GL buddy
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 6:33 PM ET #270

    Argentina line running - went from -200 to about -240 in the last hour or so.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Argentina line running - went from -200 to about -240 in the last hour or so.....

    Yes.  I parlayed them - small - with England for a plus money equation (+120) and was wondering if you had considered this angle.  I know you prefer the OVER in the late game, but also wonder whether in some very small way you kind of prefer not to bet against your stars and stripes...?

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    Argentina line running - went from -200 to about -240 in the last hour or so.....

    Yes.  I parlayed them - small - with England for a plus money equation (+120) and was wondering if you had considered this angle.  I know you prefer the OVER in the late game, but also wonder whether in some very small way you kind of prefer not to bet against your stars and stripes...?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 6:55 PM ET #272

    Why did you use 112.50 on the draw @ $220, I was figuring it would be 118 and it would end up more like -154.

    Still no advantage, just trying to see if I am figuring my math the same way or wrong.

     

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    Why did you use 112.50 on the draw @ $220, I was figuring it would be 118 and it would end up more like -154.

    Still no advantage, just trying to see if I am figuring my math the same way or wrong.

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2010 - 8:06 PM ET #273

    Quote Originally Posted by happycap:

    Yes.  I parlayed them - small - with England for a plus money equation (+120) and was wondering if you had considered this angle.  I know you prefer the OVER in the late game, but also wonder whether in some very small way you kind of prefer not to bet against your stars and stripes...?

    Its not the fan angle - it really is that I dont trust England.  They are not the TYPE of team I want to trust in a first round game.  I think England at about -190 is just about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happycap:

    Yes.  I parlayed them - small - with England for a plus money equation (+120) and was wondering if you had considered this angle.  I know you prefer the OVER in the late game, but also wonder whether in some very small way you kind of prefer not to bet against your stars and stripes...?

    Its not the fan angle - it really is that I dont trust England.  They are not the TYPE of team I want to trust in a first round game.  I think England at about -190 is just about right.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdpig:

    Why did you use 112.50 on the draw @ $220, I was figuring it would be 118 and it would end up more like -154.

    Still no advantage, just trying to see if I am figuring my math the same way or wrong.

     

    He said the lines were +220 and +260.  So that makes the math:

    1.  Bet 112.50 on the draw to win 247.50
    2.  Bet 100 on the win to win 260.

    If it draws, you will win 147.50, and if it wins you will win 147.50.

    Your risk is 212.50.

    212.50 / 147.5 = 1.44

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdpig:

    Why did you use 112.50 on the draw @ $220, I was figuring it would be 118 and it would end up more like -154.

    Still no advantage, just trying to see if I am figuring my math the same way or wrong.

     

    He said the lines were +220 and +260.  So that makes the math:

    1.  Bet 112.50 on the draw to win 247.50
    2.  Bet 100 on the win to win 260.

    If it draws, you will win 147.50, and if it wins you will win 147.50.

    Your risk is 212.50.

    212.50 / 147.5 = 1.44

     
     
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    So do you look at the high line, median and low line, for example adjust to +260 for both lines to  win and +220 for both line  to win and the median line?  I was wrong, it should have been -167 if I adjusted for +260.  Refresher course in math, its been a long time since elementry school.

    Uruguay vs France was a solid pick.

     

     

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    So do you look at the high line, median and low line, for example adjust to +260 for both lines to  win and +220 for both line  to win and the median line?  I was wrong, it should have been -167 if I adjusted for +260.  Refresher course in math, its been a long time since elementry school.

    Uruguay vs France was a solid pick.

     

     

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