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    USA.......... Wow................... Just WOW is all I can say

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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 6:44 PM ET #1

    MAJOR steps backwards.  Stunned. 
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 6:48 PM ET #2

    why? jamaica lost 1-0 to argentina and uruguay. im not sure why people thought this was some given. if you have you havent watched the reggae boys play. they have a legit striker and two premier guys on d and they ve been ballin for 2 months now. this isnt a step backwards. this is what the US are. its not over but people got caught up with them thrashing a shtty cuba team. 
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    why? jamaica lost 1-0 to argentina and uruguay. im not sure why people thought this was some given. if you have you havent watched the reggae boys play. they have a legit striker and two premier guys on d and they ve been ballin for 2 months now. this isnt a step backwards. this is what the US are. its not over but people got caught up with them thrashing a shtty cuba team. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 6:57 PM ET #3

    jamaica too fast
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 7:14 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by badlands:

    why? jamaica lost 1-0 to argentina and uruguay. im not sure why people thought this was some given. if you have you havent watched the reggae boys play. they have a legit striker and two premier guys on d and they ve been ballin for 2 months now. this isnt a step backwards. this is what the US are. its not over but people got caught up with them thrashing a shtty cuba team. 

     

    If you HONESTLY do not think the US losing the way they are to JAMAICA is not a train wreck, you are lost.  They have done so much over the past 2 years to advance their program.  Anything short of a win here is a HUGE step back.  Period.

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    why? jamaica lost 1-0 to argentina and uruguay. im not sure why people thought this was some given. if you have you havent watched the reggae boys play. they have a legit striker and two premier guys on d and they ve been ballin for 2 months now. this isnt a step backwards. this is what the US are. its not over but people got caught up with them thrashing a shtty cuba team. 

     

    If you HONESTLY do not think the US losing the way they are to JAMAICA is not a train wreck, you are lost.  They have done so much over the past 2 years to advance their program.  Anything short of a win here is a HUGE step back.  Period.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 7:56 PM ET #5

    C'mon people.  Be serious.  Anyone not seeing this as a enormous upset and step back for US Soccer is kidding themselves. 

    The US cannot lose at HOME to Jamaica.  Sorry folks, but if you truly follow US Soccer, you will know this. 

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    C'mon people.  Be serious.  Anyone not seeing this as a enormous upset and step back for US Soccer is kidding themselves. 

    The US cannot lose at HOME to Jamaica.  Sorry folks, but if you truly follow US Soccer, you will know this. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:01 PM ET #6

    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that
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    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:03 PM ET #7

    jamaica right now is a better team
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:04 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    jamaica right now is a better team

    that is 100% accurate. plain AND simple. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:

    jamaica right now is a better team

    that is 100% accurate. plain AND simple. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:21 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by badlands:

    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that


    Stop acting like a soccer god because you are finally doing good in a tourney. It is absolutely a step back losing to a team that's ranked what, 70+? So yes, an upset is  what you would call a set back.
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    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that


    Stop acting like a soccer god because you are finally doing good in a tourney. It is absolutely a step back losing to a team that's ranked what, 70+? So yes, an upset is  what you would call a set back.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:26 PM ET #10

    It really wasn't much of an upset in my opinion...USA is not very good. Typical American sensationalism to assume that they are something more than a mediocre hot/cold soccer team...the rankings have never meant anythign and continue to not mean anything. A step backwards from what? I saw a step forwards for Jamaica this tournament, and more of the same frmo the USA
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    It really wasn't much of an upset in my opinion...USA is not very good. Typical American sensationalism to assume that they are something more than a mediocre hot/cold soccer team...the rankings have never meant anythign and continue to not mean anything. A step backwards from what? I saw a step forwards for Jamaica this tournament, and more of the same frmo the USA
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:37 PM ET #11

    US had ton's of chances, but couldn't convert. Worst tournament loss in the Klinsman era. The US was 13W-8D-1L versus Jamaica before this game. Horrible loss.

    I didn't like Klinsman's defensive selections for the tournament or his starting picks for today.

    Alvarado and Brooks at CB?? Why no Omar Gonzalez?? How was Matt Besler not on the squad? That 1st goal would not have happened if Gonzalez and Besler both started at CB.

    Should've played Yedlin at RB today, not slow Brad Evans.

    Bedoya over Zusi at MF??

    I don't think I saw Zardes have ONE decent touch the whole game. Wondo should've started over him.

    And what's with the 4-2-3-1 formation today?? Should've stuck with the standard 4-4-2.

    Awful decisions by Klinsman in so many areas.

     

     

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    US had ton's of chances, but couldn't convert. Worst tournament loss in the Klinsman era. The US was 13W-8D-1L versus Jamaica before this game. Horrible loss.

    I didn't like Klinsman's defensive selections for the tournament or his starting picks for today.

    Alvarado and Brooks at CB?? Why no Omar Gonzalez?? How was Matt Besler not on the squad? That 1st goal would not have happened if Gonzalez and Besler both started at CB.

    Should've played Yedlin at RB today, not slow Brad Evans.

    Bedoya over Zusi at MF??

    I don't think I saw Zardes have ONE decent touch the whole game. Wondo should've started over him.

    And what's with the 4-2-3-1 formation today?? Should've stuck with the standard 4-4-2.

    Awful decisions by Klinsman in so many areas.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 8:56 PM ET #12

    Jamaica were underrated this whole tournament and losing to them, while still being an upset, is nothing too surprising. Along with T&T, Jamaica has come out and REALLY made a big step forward this tournament. Just because the U.S. lost to a team they normally beat (always a close game though) doesn't mean the sky is falling. Jamaica scored a goal off a throw-in where no one seemed to want the ball and then a beautiful free kick from a call I've never seen made in a game before. Credit to their defense in the second half because U.S. could have scored 3 in the first 20 minutes and put the game to rest. 


    U.S. three group games were mediocre at best. This is who they are. Without Altidore up top, the next best guy (Johannsson in most matches) is simply not good enough. You can't rely on Bradley and Dempsey every game to make something happen. The team is still very young, they're not going to be perfect. I'll begin to have lofty expectations for this team once they put together a backline with any sort of consistency. I trust Klinsmann in that he is mixing up the lineup almost every game with this team. I really do not think he is all that worried about losing a Gold Cup match when his eye is on the World Cup. I don't even blame him; he's brought in  A TON of guys in his short time so far and I don't think he's comfortable with most of them. The addition of Gordon had me really questioning his choices... one way you're SURE to not score is to play long balls and try to beat Jamaica in the air. Eventually he'll realize this team is NOT Germany, not by a long shot. 

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    Jamaica were underrated this whole tournament and losing to them, while still being an upset, is nothing too surprising. Along with T&T, Jamaica has come out and REALLY made a big step forward this tournament. Just because the U.S. lost to a team they normally beat (always a close game though) doesn't mean the sky is falling. Jamaica scored a goal off a throw-in where no one seemed to want the ball and then a beautiful free kick from a call I've never seen made in a game before. Credit to their defense in the second half because U.S. could have scored 3 in the first 20 minutes and put the game to rest. 


    U.S. three group games were mediocre at best. This is who they are. Without Altidore up top, the next best guy (Johannsson in most matches) is simply not good enough. You can't rely on Bradley and Dempsey every game to make something happen. The team is still very young, they're not going to be perfect. I'll begin to have lofty expectations for this team once they put together a backline with any sort of consistency. I trust Klinsmann in that he is mixing up the lineup almost every game with this team. I really do not think he is all that worried about losing a Gold Cup match when his eye is on the World Cup. I don't even blame him; he's brought in  A TON of guys in his short time so far and I don't think he's comfortable with most of them. The addition of Gordon had me really questioning his choices... one way you're SURE to not score is to play long balls and try to beat Jamaica in the air. Eventually he'll realize this team is NOT Germany, not by a long shot. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 9:01 PM ET #13

    This was a disappointment for sure, they should not lose to Jamaica at home but Jamaica has been better and has become a much more difficult team to play against under there new coach. He has them much more organized and is using there talent, speed and physicality to there advantage unlike in previous years where they were kind of all over the place and allowed lots of goals. The quality between the 2 teams is not very big at all. For this reason jamaica was a good bet in this game. Although USA had good support this is not a difficult country to play in just in terms of it being an overly hostile environment. 

    This is disappointing for USA but it has no effect on them going forward IMO they were a team that can get out of the group stage of a world cup and not go much further after that before this game kicked off, and they still are now. There are about 30-40 teams that can say they are either better or as good as USA and then another 30 or 40 that are competitive enough to get a result against USA fairly often.



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    This was a disappointment for sure, they should not lose to Jamaica at home but Jamaica has been better and has become a much more difficult team to play against under there new coach. He has them much more organized and is using there talent, speed and physicality to there advantage unlike in previous years where they were kind of all over the place and allowed lots of goals. The quality between the 2 teams is not very big at all. For this reason jamaica was a good bet in this game. Although USA had good support this is not a difficult country to play in just in terms of it being an overly hostile environment. 

    This is disappointing for USA but it has no effect on them going forward IMO they were a team that can get out of the group stage of a world cup and not go much further after that before this game kicked off, and they still are now. There are about 30-40 teams that can say they are either better or as good as USA and then another 30 or 40 that are competitive enough to get a result against USA fairly often.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 9:08 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by badlands:

    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that

    Stay classy and humble lol
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    this guy is educating us on soccer.   keep betting your faves every game 

    so tell me what STEP  did they take back? are they out of the next world cup???  the united states not winning the gold cup is some huge step back? where s your boy altidore who should be  a star on this team by now? oh right back at toronto.   stick to betting your faves and fave parlays im pretty sure im not lost.  i mean im so lost i have jamaica to win it all at +3000. the only lost person is you who got fooled my some major false  progress you thought they made. sorry about that

    Stay classy and humble lol
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2015 - 9:11 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by WeWantTebow:

    The addition of Gordon had me really questioning his choices... one way you're SURE to not score is to play long balls and try to beat Jamaica in the air.

    This I agree with. They spent the last 20 min. of the game doing this.

     

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    The addition of Gordon had me really questioning his choices... one way you're SURE to not score is to play long balls and try to beat Jamaica in the air.

    This I agree with. They spent the last 20 min. of the game doing this.

     

     
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    The U.S. is not supposed to  lose to Jamaica...in anything.  Bottom line. 

    Poor performance. Down 0-2 at the half? Who expected that?
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    The U.S. is not supposed to  lose to Jamaica...in anything.  Bottom line. 

    Poor performance. Down 0-2 at the half? Who expected that?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Chips:

    The U.S. is not supposed to  lose to Jamaica...in anything.  Bottom line. 

    Poor performance. Down 0-2 at the half? Who expected that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Chips:

    The U.S. is not supposed to  lose to Jamaica...in anything.  Bottom line. 

    Poor performance. Down 0-2 at the half? Who expected that?


    Sprinting.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamblingallday:



    Sprinting.

    Ok. Maybe sprinting. Lol.
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    Sprinting.

    Ok. Maybe sprinting. Lol.
     
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    I bet the draw in this game. Obviously 1) I lost 2) I did not think the US were juggernauts.

    Having said that, this was indeed a huge disappointment. The US were thought to have progressed to among the elite soccer countries. This is indeed a step backwards in at least our perceptions.
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    I bet the draw in this game. Obviously 1) I lost 2) I did not think the US were juggernauts.

    Having said that, this was indeed a huge disappointment. The US were thought to have progressed to among the elite soccer countries. This is indeed a step backwards in at least our perceptions.
     
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    Very dissapointing for sure. However as Badlands said, Jamaica has been in form. If you saw their play in the S. American Cup, you would know they are not a push over. All their games were close including... Argentina whom they played very tough and Argentina was sweating out the game the last 15 minutes. That being said, still an embarrasement and a huge step backwards for the USNT.


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    Very dissapointing for sure. However as Badlands said, Jamaica has been in form. If you saw their play in the S. American Cup, you would know they are not a push over. All their games were close including... Argentina whom they played very tough and Argentina was sweating out the game the last 15 minutes. That being said, still an embarrasement and a huge step backwards for the USNT.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamigo6:

    It really wasn't much of an upset in my opinion...USA is not very good. Typical American sensationalism to assume that they are something more than a mediocre hot/cold soccer team...the rankings have never meant anythign and continue to not mean anything. A step backwards from what? I saw a step forwards for Jamaica this tournament, and more of the same frmo the USA


    Ironic you say this. Colombia are the perenial underachievers of S. America. One decent World Cup appearance this last time out does not make up for a life time of underachieving. Don't even let me bring up 1994 world cup when your team lost to a US team mostly made up of semi-pro players. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamigo6:

    It really wasn't much of an upset in my opinion...USA is not very good. Typical American sensationalism to assume that they are something more than a mediocre hot/cold soccer team...the rankings have never meant anythign and continue to not mean anything. A step backwards from what? I saw a step forwards for Jamaica this tournament, and more of the same frmo the USA


    Ironic you say this. Colombia are the perenial underachievers of S. America. One decent World Cup appearance this last time out does not make up for a life time of underachieving. Don't even let me bring up 1994 world cup when your team lost to a US team mostly made up of semi-pro players. lol.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio501:



    Ironic you say this. Colombia are the perenial underachievers of S. America. One decent World Cup appearance this last time out does not make up for a life time of underachieving. Don't even let me bring up 1994 world cup when your team lost to a US team mostly made up of semi-pro players. lol.


    The people on this website are just amazingly strange...I know exactly what Colombia are and never made any claims to the contrary. Never before have I pretended they have been great, never before did I claim that Copa America was "a huge step backwards." It was just a bad tournament. I root for them anyway, but when they lost to Venezuela, I don't pretend its the biggest upset ever and that this is a huge blow to the nation. Unlike the common USA mindset that thinks in terms of growth only, rather than in terms of cycles, I understand that national teams will go through periods of progress and periods of decline, but one win or one loss is not indicative of either of those things.

    I see no reason why the truth/or falsity of my claim about the United States is dependant upon the success or failure of the team I root for, but I guess on covers we deal with the type of people that need to bump a 3 day old thread just to take a dig at somebody for something entirely irrelevant. 


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    Ironic you say this. Colombia are the perenial underachievers of S. America. One decent World Cup appearance this last time out does not make up for a life time of underachieving. Don't even let me bring up 1994 world cup when your team lost to a US team mostly made up of semi-pro players. lol.


    The people on this website are just amazingly strange...I know exactly what Colombia are and never made any claims to the contrary. Never before have I pretended they have been great, never before did I claim that Copa America was "a huge step backwards." It was just a bad tournament. I root for them anyway, but when they lost to Venezuela, I don't pretend its the biggest upset ever and that this is a huge blow to the nation. Unlike the common USA mindset that thinks in terms of growth only, rather than in terms of cycles, I understand that national teams will go through periods of progress and periods of decline, but one win or one loss is not indicative of either of those things.

    I see no reason why the truth/or falsity of my claim about the United States is dependant upon the success or failure of the team I root for, but I guess on covers we deal with the type of people that need to bump a 3 day old thread just to take a dig at somebody for something entirely irrelevant. 


     
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    I never said Jamaica wasn't in form or playing great... they were.

    BUT... anyone not thinking this loss wasn't a major step backwards for US Soccer is simply fooling themselves.  Look where this program has come from over the past 4 years.  They are now competitive on the WORLD stage and have beaten teams like Germany and Netherlands playing WITH many of their first team players. 

    Especially with the women winning the World Cup, there is now pressure on the men to continue to progress forward and improve.  Losing to Jamaica in a Regional tournament is certainly not achieving that and IS a step backwards. 

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    I never said Jamaica wasn't in form or playing great... they were.

    BUT... anyone not thinking this loss wasn't a major step backwards for US Soccer is simply fooling themselves.  Look where this program has come from over the past 4 years.  They are now competitive on the WORLD stage and have beaten teams like Germany and Netherlands playing WITH many of their first team players. 

    Especially with the women winning the World Cup, there is now pressure on the men to continue to progress forward and improve.  Losing to Jamaica in a Regional tournament is certainly not achieving that and IS a step backwards. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 2:28 PM ET #24

    Agree with you.   But I wasnt under the impression that the USA Mens teams was that good anyway.   So I was not severly surprised.   

    I just took the J-men over mexico.   Should win if the game is not rigged for the 3rd str8 match.
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    Agree with you.   But I wasnt under the impression that the USA Mens teams was that good anyway.   So I was not severly surprised.   

    I just took the J-men over mexico.   Should win if the game is not rigged for the 3rd str8 match.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamigo6:


    The people on this website are just amazingly strange...I know exactly what Colombia are and never made any claims to the contrary. Never before have I pretended they have been great, never before did I claim that Copa America was "a huge step backwards." It was just a bad tournament. I root for them anyway, but when they lost to Venezuela, I don't pretend its the biggest upset ever and that this is a huge blow to the nation. Unlike the common USA mindset that thinks in terms of growth only, rather than in terms of cycles, I understand that national teams will go through periods of progress and periods of decline, but one win or one loss is not indicative of either of those things.

    I see no reason why the truth/or falsity of my claim about the United States is dependant upon the success or failure of the team I root for, but I guess on covers we deal with the type of people that need to bump a 3 day old thread just to take a dig at somebody for something entirely irrelevant. 




    My post was a continuation of the discussion of the US loss against Jamaica and the what the ramifications of that loss meant. It was a continuing thread where people continued to post and it was not all of a sudden bumped for me just to take a dig as my subsequent post happened minutes after my first post so get over yourself.

    My dig at you was in response to the "typical American sensationalism" comment. The US had a successful world cup. The US beat Germany and Holland on their home fields. Yes, they were friendlies but still they were wins against top teams. To then have such a poor showing at the cup and loose to Jamiaca in a semifinal... yes, it's a step backwards. Has nothing to do with sensationalsim. It has to do with facts and it was a collective of games we played poorly. If the US was a futbol country Klinsman would be being shown the door right now.

    Maybe being a fan of the Colombian team you are ok with mediocrity and supporting a team who puts 11 players behind the ball and never advances beyond the mid line and who shows up hoping for a penalty shoot out as they did against Argentina where their goalkeeper touched the ball I think only once the entire regulation. I would like to think Americans as a collective like to win and there is nothing wrong with thinking in termns of growth. US has never been an international futbol player and that's where our goal is to be one day. However far-fetched that may seem to you. If you were from a decent futbol nation I'd mind my manners but being Colombian and saying things like "more of the same from USA" and "typical sensationalsim" (Colombia in 94 thought they were winning the cup..lol) you bet your behind I'm going to point out the irony in your comments considering the team you root for.
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    The people on this website are just amazingly strange...I know exactly what Colombia are and never made any claims to the contrary. Never before have I pretended they have been great, never before did I claim that Copa America was "a huge step backwards." It was just a bad tournament. I root for them anyway, but when they lost to Venezuela, I don't pretend its the biggest upset ever and that this is a huge blow to the nation. Unlike the common USA mindset that thinks in terms of growth only, rather than in terms of cycles, I understand that national teams will go through periods of progress and periods of decline, but one win or one loss is not indicative of either of those things.

    I see no reason why the truth/or falsity of my claim about the United States is dependant upon the success or failure of the team I root for, but I guess on covers we deal with the type of people that need to bump a 3 day old thread just to take a dig at somebody for something entirely irrelevant. 




    My post was a continuation of the discussion of the US loss against Jamaica and the what the ramifications of that loss meant. It was a continuing thread where people continued to post and it was not all of a sudden bumped for me just to take a dig as my subsequent post happened minutes after my first post so get over yourself.

    My dig at you was in response to the "typical American sensationalism" comment. The US had a successful world cup. The US beat Germany and Holland on their home fields. Yes, they were friendlies but still they were wins against top teams. To then have such a poor showing at the cup and loose to Jamiaca in a semifinal... yes, it's a step backwards. Has nothing to do with sensationalsim. It has to do with facts and it was a collective of games we played poorly. If the US was a futbol country Klinsman would be being shown the door right now.

    Maybe being a fan of the Colombian team you are ok with mediocrity and supporting a team who puts 11 players behind the ball and never advances beyond the mid line and who shows up hoping for a penalty shoot out as they did against Argentina where their goalkeeper touched the ball I think only once the entire regulation. I would like to think Americans as a collective like to win and there is nothing wrong with thinking in termns of growth. US has never been an international futbol player and that's where our goal is to be one day. However far-fetched that may seem to you. If you were from a decent futbol nation I'd mind my manners but being Colombian and saying things like "more of the same from USA" and "typical sensationalsim" (Colombia in 94 thought they were winning the cup..lol) you bet your behind I'm going to point out the irony in your comments considering the team you root for.
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