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    Knockout Rounds thread - only 15 games to go......

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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 11:17 AM ET #326

    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuys-R-Us:

    Like them all excluding the Brazil/Holland game as we previously discussed.

    I do have one question, and if you can find time out of your day to answer that would be greatly appreciated.

    I see you playing -.5 (Half a goal) what is the benefit to that? I know the benefit to a +.5 that means you win with a tie at the end of 90 minutes but the -.5 on the Uruguay game is (+108) while the ML is (+112) Isn't the game still scored in the first 90 minutes and nothing further with that line? So why not just play the ML and increase the odds slightly?

    Thanks again mate and good luck this weekend with the WC

    You are correct - for the ease of posting here - I just put it as -.5 to avoid confusion.  I bet whichever line I can get the best price, whether it is -.5, ML, or a combination of no draw and no win for the other team.

    I always try to get the best price available every time I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuys-R-Us:

    Like them all excluding the Brazil/Holland game as we previously discussed.

    I do have one question, and if you can find time out of your day to answer that would be greatly appreciated.

    I see you playing -.5 (Half a goal) what is the benefit to that? I know the benefit to a +.5 that means you win with a tie at the end of 90 minutes but the -.5 on the Uruguay game is (+108) while the ML is (+112) Isn't the game still scored in the first 90 minutes and nothing further with that line? So why not just play the ML and increase the odds slightly?

    Thanks again mate and good luck this weekend with the WC

    You are correct - for the ease of posting here - I just put it as -.5 to avoid confusion.  I bet whichever line I can get the best price, whether it is -.5, ML, or a combination of no draw and no win for the other team.

    I always try to get the best price available every time I can.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 12:11 PM ET #327

    nice write up as alway sir...
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    nice write up as alway sir...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 12:59 PM ET #328

    Van,

     

    First of all,

    Thanks for the great write-ups.

     

    Can you see Brazil losing in the 90" regulation?  If not, would it be a good idea for me if I took Neth+.5  (-105) to take Brazil:pick (-245) to middle it?  Thanks again.

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    Van,

     

    First of all,

    Thanks for the great write-ups.

     

    Can you see Brazil losing in the 90" regulation?  If not, would it be a good idea for me if I took Neth+.5  (-105) to take Brazil:pick (-245) to middle it?  Thanks again.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 4:55 PM ET #329

    buy $BTC
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 5:17 PM ET #330

    Quote Originally Posted by hardly covers:

    Van,

     

    First of all,

    Thanks for the great write-ups.

     

    Can you see Brazil losing in the 90" regulation?  If not, would it be a good idea for me if I took Neth+.5  (-105) to take Brazil:pick (-245) to middle it?  Thanks again.

    For the same reasons I describe earlier in the thread - mostly because of massive vig tax - you shouldnt bet opposite sides of a wager to "hedge".

    Betting Brazil to win, and Holland to win or tie all at the same time will cost you a fortune, and really serves no purpose.

    Brazil could easily win in regulation time, thats why they call it gambling....

    GL whatever you choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardly covers:

    Van,

     

    First of all,

    Thanks for the great write-ups.

     

    Can you see Brazil losing in the 90" regulation?  If not, would it be a good idea for me if I took Neth+.5  (-105) to take Brazil:pick (-245) to middle it?  Thanks again.

    For the same reasons I describe earlier in the thread - mostly because of massive vig tax - you shouldnt bet opposite sides of a wager to "hedge".

    Betting Brazil to win, and Holland to win or tie all at the same time will cost you a fortune, and really serves no purpose.

    Brazil could easily win in regulation time, thats why they call it gambling....

    GL whatever you choose.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 5:18 PM ET #331

    Im starting to get really pumped for these games.....

    Should be a great 2 days...

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    Im starting to get really pumped for these games.....

    Should be a great 2 days...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 5:23 PM ET #332

    But I have an uncomfortable amount of money on Argentina.

    I rarely have any feeling of nervousness before an event, but I havent felt this way since the night of the Obama / McCain election.  That was the single biggest win in my life - and if Argentina wins this tournament this will be bigger.

    But if they lose, still an extremely profitable month - so its a different kind of pressure - but pressure nonetheless.

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    But I have an uncomfortable amount of money on Argentina.

    I rarely have any feeling of nervousness before an event, but I havent felt this way since the night of the Obama / McCain election.  That was the single biggest win in my life - and if Argentina wins this tournament this will be bigger.

    But if they lose, still an extremely profitable month - so its a different kind of pressure - but pressure nonetheless.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 5:25 PM ET #333

    Also,

    What do you think about Uruguay - Pick (-210) since I no longer have the luxury of taking Uru -.5 (+110)?

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    Also,

    What do you think about Uruguay - Pick (-210) since I no longer have the luxury of taking Uru -.5 (+110)?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 5:33 PM ET #334

    Quote Originally Posted by hardly covers:

    Also,

    What do you think about Uruguay - Pick (-210) since I no longer have the luxury of taking Uru -.5 (+110)?

    Thats a pretty big price on the PK line, but if that is your only option, you have to make that decision....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardly covers:

    Also,

    What do you think about Uruguay - Pick (-210) since I no longer have the luxury of taking Uru -.5 (+110)?

    Thats a pretty big price on the PK line, but if that is your only option, you have to make that decision....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 6:06 PM ET #335

    Anyone just catch the jump at Pinnacle on Argentina from -136 to -141 to advance?

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    Anyone just catch the jump at Pinnacle on Argentina from -136 to -141 to advance?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 6:07 PM ET #336

    Van is the bet to qualify the same as to advance?

    Im looking on bodog and they have argentina to qualify -168 which is a much steeper price than your -138 but jus trying to figure out what the difference is or if there is a difference?

    Thanks buddy lets get it

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    Van is the bet to qualify the same as to advance?

    Im looking on bodog and they have argentina to qualify -168 which is a much steeper price than your -138 but jus trying to figure out what the difference is or if there is a difference?

    Thanks buddy lets get it

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 6:09 PM ET #337

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrysox:

    Van is the bet to qualify the same as to advance?

    Im looking on bodog and they have argentina to qualify -168 which is a much steeper price than your -138 but jus trying to figure out what the difference is or if there is a difference?

    Thanks buddy lets get it

    Same bet, Blowdog juice.....

    Thats absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrysox:

    Van is the bet to qualify the same as to advance?

    Im looking on bodog and they have argentina to qualify -168 which is a much steeper price than your -138 but jus trying to figure out what the difference is or if there is a difference?

    Thanks buddy lets get it

    Same bet, Blowdog juice.....

    Thats absurd.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 6:25 PM ET #338

    Yeah thats pretty gross how much better of value you got

    Its actually at -162 but still

    Anyways doesnt matter when its a winner brother

    Good luck to you and enjoy the games I ll be with ya on Tina and am thinkin pretty serious of betting them to win the tourney at 3.8/1

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    Yeah thats pretty gross how much better of value you got

    Its actually at -162 but still

    Anyways doesnt matter when its a winner brother

    Good luck to you and enjoy the games I ll be with ya on Tina and am thinkin pretty serious of betting them to win the tourney at 3.8/1

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 7:44 PM ET #339

    germany is my team but are overmatched here, i think argentina takes this cup from the beginning and sticking to it, an awfully cheap price to me to advance for diego's squad...good luck, great job this cup
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    germany is my team but are overmatched here, i think argentina takes this cup from the beginning and sticking to it, an awfully cheap price to me to advance for diego's squad...good luck, great job this cup
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 8:40 PM ET #340

    I'm going to guess you didn't respond to me because you didn't like me attacking your Netherlands pick (although it wasn't really an attack, more my thoughts on the game but nevertheless...), but on the chance that you just didn't see this:

    "What I am more concerned with though is this...what % chance would you give Uruguay or Ghana of beating EITHER Brasil or the Netherlands? For me it's extremely low, and I'm wondering if there's any sort of value with futures bets, based on the premise that this Brasil/Netherlands game is really the semi-final. Thanks in advance"

    Thanks again
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    I'm going to guess you didn't respond to me because you didn't like me attacking your Netherlands pick (although it wasn't really an attack, more my thoughts on the game but nevertheless...), but on the chance that you just didn't see this:

    "What I am more concerned with though is this...what % chance would you give Uruguay or Ghana of beating EITHER Brasil or the Netherlands? For me it's extremely low, and I'm wondering if there's any sort of value with futures bets, based on the premise that this Brasil/Netherlands game is really the semi-final. Thanks in advance"

    Thanks again
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 8:43 PM ET #341

    Big weekend coming up.  I think I'm just going to let my Netherlands future bet ride and maybe play the draw in Uruguay/Ghana.  I do like Argentina to advance on Saturday.  May put an extra unit on that one based on your writeup.  Not touching Spain/Paraguay.  Good luck.
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    Big weekend coming up.  I think I'm just going to let my Netherlands future bet ride and maybe play the draw in Uruguay/Ghana.  I do like Argentina to advance on Saturday.  May put an extra unit on that one based on your writeup.  Not touching Spain/Paraguay.  Good luck.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 10:39 PM ET #342

    WC withdrawel at record high right now.

    When I wake up it is on.

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    WC withdrawel at record high right now.

    When I wake up it is on.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 10:55 PM ET #343

    Van, always enjoy the write ups and it's refreshing to read some solid soccer knowledge. I always check to read your insight before I place my wagers! It's been great when we agree! BOL tomorrow 
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    Van, always enjoy the write ups and it's refreshing to read some solid soccer knowledge. I always check to read your insight before I place my wagers! It's been great when we agree! BOL tomorrow 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 11:33 PM ET #344

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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2010 - 11:45 PM ET #345

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Anyone just catch the jump at Pinnacle on Argentina from -136 to -141 to advance?

    Please..only matrixx bet enough to make lines move 5 cents at Pinny 

    Good luck on your bets, vanzack

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Anyone just catch the jump at Pinnacle on Argentina from -136 to -141 to advance?

    Please..only matrixx bet enough to make lines move 5 cents at Pinny 

    Good luck on your bets, vanzack

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4P:

    I'm going to guess you didn't respond to me because you didn't like me attacking your Netherlands pick (although it wasn't really an attack, more my thoughts on the game but nevertheless...), but on the chance that you just didn't see this:

    "What I am more concerned with though is this...what % chance would you give Uruguay or Ghana of beating EITHER Brasil or the Netherlands? For me it's extremely low, and I'm wondering if there's any sort of value with futures bets, based on the premise that this Brasil/Netherlands game is really the semi-final. Thanks in advance"

    Thanks again

    Sure, you can do this but your odds are going to be awful. Pinny has the Dutch to advance to the final at +305 and Brazil at -120. You'd have to place 45.27% of your Brazil bet on the Dutch. Odds come out to be -380 which isn't very appealing.... even if truly think it's arbitrage.....which it isn't.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4P:

    I'm going to guess you didn't respond to me because you didn't like me attacking your Netherlands pick (although it wasn't really an attack, more my thoughts on the game but nevertheless...), but on the chance that you just didn't see this:

    "What I am more concerned with though is this...what % chance would you give Uruguay or Ghana of beating EITHER Brasil or the Netherlands? For me it's extremely low, and I'm wondering if there's any sort of value with futures bets, based on the premise that this Brasil/Netherlands game is really the semi-final. Thanks in advance"

    Thanks again

    Sure, you can do this but your odds are going to be awful. Pinny has the Dutch to advance to the final at +305 and Brazil at -120. You'd have to place 45.27% of your Brazil bet on the Dutch. Odds come out to be -380 which isn't very appealing.... even if truly think it's arbitrage.....which it isn't.....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 12:23 AM ET #347

    Vanzack,
    How did you pick Paraguay +1 and to advance, yet predicted the score to be 2-1 in Spain favor? Please enlighten us newbie. Thanks in advance...
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    Vanzack,
    How did you pick Paraguay +1 and to advance, yet predicted the score to be 2-1 in Spain favor? Please enlighten us newbie. Thanks in advance...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 12:31 AM ET #348

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Cool:

    Vanzack,
    How did you pick Paraguay +1 and to advance, yet predicted the score to be 2-1 in Spain favor? Please enlighten us newbie. Thanks in advance...

     

    hahaha  I thought I was the only one reading his write ups today... its been a fun ride this WC Van.. learned a lot... many thanks for the

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Cool:

    Vanzack,
    How did you pick Paraguay +1 and to advance, yet predicted the score to be 2-1 in Spain favor? Please enlighten us newbie. Thanks in advance...

     

    hahaha  I thought I was the only one reading his write ups today... its been a fun ride this WC Van.. learned a lot... many thanks for the

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 12:54 AM ET #349

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    Sure, you can do this but your odds are going to be awful. Pinny has the Dutch to advance to the final at +305 and Brazil at -120. You'd have to place 45.27% of your Brazil bet on the Dutch. Odds come out to be -380 which isn't very appealing.... even if truly think it's arbitrage.....which it isn't.....


    Yeah I played around with as many different combinations as possible and found nothing worth betting. I know it's far from arbitrage, but I still don't think Uruguay or Ghana (especially Ghana) has any chance at all of making the finals. Maybe one of them will impress tomorrow and we'll get a more favorable semi-final line than we otherwise would...

    Thanks for the response
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    Sure, you can do this but your odds are going to be awful. Pinny has the Dutch to advance to the final at +305 and Brazil at -120. You'd have to place 45.27% of your Brazil bet on the Dutch. Odds come out to be -380 which isn't very appealing.... even if truly think it's arbitrage.....which it isn't.....


    Yeah I played around with as many different combinations as possible and found nothing worth betting. I know it's far from arbitrage, but I still don't think Uruguay or Ghana (especially Ghana) has any chance at all of making the finals. Maybe one of them will impress tomorrow and we'll get a more favorable semi-final line than we otherwise would...

    Thanks for the response
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2010 - 1:44 AM ET #350

    Hi vanzack,

    Just joined this site and seen that you are having a great run so far so congrats on that.I read your write up and just had one question about the germany argentina game.You say in your write up that you feel that the price is low on argentina cause of the german game vs england BUT YOU DIDNT mention anything about argentinta and how they scored vs mexico.1st goal was offsides, 2nd goal was a mistake by the mexican defender and i think if your going to say that the england/german game should have been 2-2 going into half than the mexico/argentina game should have been 0-0.Please excuse me as english is not my first language and i hope you understood what i was trying to say here.

    i guess im trying to say that when you say people look at the last german performance and think think the germans are better than they really are i say take a closer look at argentina, so far they have not faced anyone that has been any good and this is there first real test.Just as a side note my brother played in the 1978 world cup for Iran ,well he didnt play but was on the bench for that team and i will tell you later what he said when they had to play holland in another post some other time.its really funny. anyway good luck to you.thanks for your time.

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    Hi vanzack,

    Just joined this site and seen that you are having a great run so far so congrats on that.I read your write up and just had one question about the germany argentina game.You say in your write up that you feel that the price is low on argentina cause of the german game vs england BUT YOU DIDNT mention anything about argentinta and how they scored vs mexico.1st goal was offsides, 2nd goal was a mistake by the mexican defender and i think if your going to say that the england/german game should have been 2-2 going into half than the mexico/argentina game should have been 0-0.Please excuse me as english is not my first language and i hope you understood what i was trying to say here.

    i guess im trying to say that when you say people look at the last german performance and think think the germans are better than they really are i say take a closer look at argentina, so far they have not faced anyone that has been any good and this is there first real test.Just as a side note my brother played in the 1978 world cup for Iran ,well he didnt play but was on the bench for that team and i will tell you later what he said when they had to play holland in another post some other time.its really funny. anyway good luck to you.thanks for your time.

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