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    MuggsyBogues
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2016 - 8:53 AM ET #51

    Loss to the Irish was one of the most disturbing, gut-wrenching 'performances' I have seen as a fan. The fact I lost money on the game, and I'm being objective here, had very little effect on my feelings as a Team Ukraine supporter.

    Their time here at the Euros can be summarized as: didn't get off the bus. While they played their game - Dynamo Kyiv style, Lobanovskiy style (absorb the pressure and take chances in counter attack) vs a semi-relaxed Germany - they looked ok. They looked good, actually.

    However, against an opponent who was fully locked in and 'ready to die' out there to get a result, they faltered. On Thursday, this team collectively played as if this was the beginning of another 1.5 year long qualifying campaign, not a do-or-die game where losing just isn't a fu....ng option. 

    Millions of people, including MuggsyBogues, screamed at their TV for a good hour. And as much as I tried, in the words of Chris Rock, 'turning that sh.. off', I couldn't make myself. 

    It was a disaster that looked more like a certainly with each passing minute, ever since about midway first half. The +900 Northern Ireland were a better team for over an hour of play.

    Konoplianka made some runs with little support but didn't do enough to create crosses and set pieces. With how little penetration he got going down his left side, Seleznyov starting was an obvious disaster as he can only score from within 5 feet of goal. It was almost like Konoplianka didn't bother to make runs, didn't want to get his feet wet. And I thought he would end up starring for Sevilla and maybe move to Real Madrid. Yeah, right.

    Seleznyov - didn't get many touches, got frustrated, got a stupid yellow card. D-

    Yarmolenko - probably our best player on the pitch - had exactly one clear strike on goal (that didn't particularly challenge the keeper)

    The two 19-year olds were average. Very good start from #16 pressing the ball - he gave it all unlike half our players and had to be substituted in 2 half - but the way both guys shot the ball showed that, once again, almost no player on this team is ready for the really big stage. Not ready for the 'right here, right now'. 

    Once the Irish absorbed the initial pressure and started going up a little more, our backs showed they aren't much better than the Portuguese defenders (what a bunch of clowns!), and the wet conditions didn't help because there was always a chance that the pressing Irish would intercept and break away - the ball was harder to handle. 

    It was a team that never got off the bus, led by a coach who is (I believe) not tough enough on his players. They look like they are just here to collect a paycheck, not push themselves to something special. 

    What I'm getting at, however, is that while this team can be crap in crunch time (see those half assed shots on goal vs Germany that the Russians, or the Romanians would surely convert? see those 'shots' by the otherwise solid, but unbelievably impotent upfront, Shevchuk?)... they are still a good team that can be a dangerous underdog.

    I believe a big part of their collective impotency comes from inadequate coaching and not being focused at the right time.

    Now that the responsibility is gone - and chances to advance are purely theoretical - I think they should be rated almost as highly - if not as highly - as the Poles.

    I've locked in some Ukraine AH +0.5 and will be looking into making extra plays before game time when teams are announced. Expect Seleznyov to take his rightful place on the bench and both 19-year olds starting again and making life hell for the Polish back field, at least for the first 45 minutes.

    It's time to start creating a team that will make noise in 2020. Was I certain THIS team can beat Northern Ireland 'here and now', in 2016? Of course I was. 

    Will they surprise the world by beating Poland when it means, basically, nothing? 

    I wouldn't be shocked if they do.
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    Loss to the Irish was one of the most disturbing, gut-wrenching 'performances' I have seen as a fan. The fact I lost money on the game, and I'm being objective here, had very little effect on my feelings as a Team Ukraine supporter.

    Their time here at the Euros can be summarized as: didn't get off the bus. While they played their game - Dynamo Kyiv style, Lobanovskiy style (absorb the pressure and take chances in counter attack) vs a semi-relaxed Germany - they looked ok. They looked good, actually.

    However, against an opponent who was fully locked in and 'ready to die' out there to get a result, they faltered. On Thursday, this team collectively played as if this was the beginning of another 1.5 year long qualifying campaign, not a do-or-die game where losing just isn't a fu....ng option. 

    Millions of people, including MuggsyBogues, screamed at their TV for a good hour. And as much as I tried, in the words of Chris Rock, 'turning that sh.. off', I couldn't make myself. 

    It was a disaster that looked more like a certainly with each passing minute, ever since about midway first half. The +900 Northern Ireland were a better team for over an hour of play.

    Konoplianka made some runs with little support but didn't do enough to create crosses and set pieces. With how little penetration he got going down his left side, Seleznyov starting was an obvious disaster as he can only score from within 5 feet of goal. It was almost like Konoplianka didn't bother to make runs, didn't want to get his feet wet. And I thought he would end up starring for Sevilla and maybe move to Real Madrid. Yeah, right.

    Seleznyov - didn't get many touches, got frustrated, got a stupid yellow card. D-

    Yarmolenko - probably our best player on the pitch - had exactly one clear strike on goal (that didn't particularly challenge the keeper)

    The two 19-year olds were average. Very good start from #16 pressing the ball - he gave it all unlike half our players and had to be substituted in 2 half - but the way both guys shot the ball showed that, once again, almost no player on this team is ready for the really big stage. Not ready for the 'right here, right now'. 

    Once the Irish absorbed the initial pressure and started going up a little more, our backs showed they aren't much better than the Portuguese defenders (what a bunch of clowns!), and the wet conditions didn't help because there was always a chance that the pressing Irish would intercept and break away - the ball was harder to handle. 

    It was a team that never got off the bus, led by a coach who is (I believe) not tough enough on his players. They look like they are just here to collect a paycheck, not push themselves to something special. 

    What I'm getting at, however, is that while this team can be crap in crunch time (see those half assed shots on goal vs Germany that the Russians, or the Romanians would surely convert? see those 'shots' by the otherwise solid, but unbelievably impotent upfront, Shevchuk?)... they are still a good team that can be a dangerous underdog.

    I believe a big part of their collective impotency comes from inadequate coaching and not being focused at the right time.

    Now that the responsibility is gone - and chances to advance are purely theoretical - I think they should be rated almost as highly - if not as highly - as the Poles.

    I've locked in some Ukraine AH +0.5 and will be looking into making extra plays before game time when teams are announced. Expect Seleznyov to take his rightful place on the bench and both 19-year olds starting again and making life hell for the Polish back field, at least for the first 45 minutes.

    It's time to start creating a team that will make noise in 2020. Was I certain THIS team can beat Northern Ireland 'here and now', in 2016? Of course I was. 

    Will they surprise the world by beating Poland when it means, basically, nothing? 

    I wouldn't be shocked if they do.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2016 - 11:07 AM ET #52

    can someone tell the Ukraine team that the tournament has started already?
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    can someone tell the Ukraine team that the tournament has started already?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2016 - 12:07 PM ET #53

    That's the thing. There's no direction here. My thinking is, as Fomenko will be on his way out (to be substituted by, probably Andriy Shevchenko) as a coach, the team just may play better. 

    I have also found out that we are officially eliminated from playoffs. Winning 5-0 won't change a thing. So, again, for this team - I THINK - it's a positive thing. They'll play a better game. And with the odds, it's hard to stay away from backing them.

    One last time.
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    That's the thing. There's no direction here. My thinking is, as Fomenko will be on his way out (to be substituted by, probably Andriy Shevchenko) as a coach, the team just may play better. 

    I have also found out that we are officially eliminated from playoffs. Winning 5-0 won't change a thing. So, again, for this team - I THINK - it's a positive thing. They'll play a better game. And with the odds, it's hard to stay away from backing them.

    One last time.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2016 - 11:32 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Friday....Croatia -120 (3.5 units)Sweden +.5 +100 (2 units)Turkey +1 +110 (2 units)GL allGotta get something going here...  Rough start.

    So so so so brutal.
    I had Croatia and Sweden and both were winners until a few mins till end of game. So so so tough. Laid off
    Turkey. Big fan man but you on the right side of the first two games and just got screwed. Maybe we can rig games by throwing flares at the games. Unreal how both of these went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Friday....Croatia -120 (3.5 units)Sweden +.5 +100 (2 units)Turkey +1 +110 (2 units)GL allGotta get something going here...  Rough start.

    So so so so brutal.
    I had Croatia and Sweden and both were winners until a few mins till end of game. So so so tough. Laid off
    Turkey. Big fan man but you on the right side of the first two games and just got screwed. Maybe we can rig games by throwing flares at the games. Unreal how both of these went.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2016 - 11:33 PM ET #55

    What can I say.  Terrible day - terrible tournament so far for me.  Buzzards are circling over my house.

    Saturday:

    Belgium -123 (2.5 units)
    Hungary / Iceland no bet
    Austria +.5 +103 (3 units)

    GL all

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    What can I say.  Terrible day - terrible tournament so far for me.  Buzzards are circling over my house.

    Saturday:

    Belgium -123 (2.5 units)
    Hungary / Iceland no bet
    Austria +.5 +103 (3 units)

    GL all

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 12:30 AM ET #56

    Terrible picks! Way off
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    Terrible picks! Way off
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 12:32 AM ET #57

    Nice try!
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    Nice try!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 12:42 AM ET #58

    Hang in there Wall.. That "loss" for Croatia was ridiculous.    They had thoroughly outplayed Czech Republic until those damn flares were thrown on the field , and completely changed the complexion of the game.  Hell,  there was only 4 Minutes + Stoppage time remaining in the game.  Now, they face a Spanish team that seems to have found its groove again.

     

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    Hang in there Wall.. That "loss" for Croatia was ridiculous.    They had thoroughly outplayed Czech Republic until those damn flares were thrown on the field , and completely changed the complexion of the game.  Hell,  there was only 4 Minutes + Stoppage time remaining in the game.  Now, they face a Spanish team that seems to have found its groove again.

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 1:15 AM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfins:


    So so so so brutal.
    I had Croatia and Sweden and both were winners until a few mins till end of game. So so so tough. Laid off
    Turkey. Big fan man but you on the right side of the first two games and just got screwed. Maybe we can rig games by throwing flares at the games. Unreal how both of these went.
     

    I'm right there with you man and I had under 3.5 in a 3 gamer where the other two hit with ease. I couldn't believe it when I saw the score and then saw the highlights with the flares being thrown, unreal is an understatement...Definitely the toughest day for me so far this tourney. Tomorrow is another day tho and we have some good games lined up. BOL to all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorfins:


    So so so so brutal.
    I had Croatia and Sweden and both were winners until a few mins till end of game. So so so tough. Laid off
    Turkey. Big fan man but you on the right side of the first two games and just got screwed. Maybe we can rig games by throwing flares at the games. Unreal how both of these went.
     

    I'm right there with you man and I had under 3.5 in a 3 gamer where the other two hit with ease. I couldn't believe it when I saw the score and then saw the highlights with the flares being thrown, unreal is an understatement...Definitely the toughest day for me so far this tourney. Tomorrow is another day tho and we have some good games lined up. BOL to all!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 1:52 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman1965:

    Terrible picks! Way off

    How are they way off? Austria and Portugal have drawn 3 of the L4 times they've met, so whichever team getting points makes sense and Ireland hasn't beaten Belgium for 50 years, so a draw no bet would be a good bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman1965:

    Terrible picks! Way off

    How are they way off? Austria and Portugal have drawn 3 of the L4 times they've met, so whichever team getting points makes sense and Ireland hasn't beaten Belgium for 50 years, so a draw no bet would be a good bet.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 4:33 AM ET #61

    Croatia doctor says Luka Modric is out injured for the Spain match.
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    Croatia doctor says Luka Modric is out injured for the Spain match.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2016 - 7:04 AM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman1965:

    Terrible picks! Way off

    And your picks douche?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman1965:

    Terrible picks! Way off

    And your picks douche?
     
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    Nice hit with Belgium.  It'll turn around.  
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2016 - 3:41 AM ET #64

    Hit over USA.

    Hit Belgium

    Hit Austria

    Hit Chile to advance

    4 in a row?

    Lets get it going.

    Hi Lamont.

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    Hit over USA.

    Hit Belgium

    Hit Austria

    Hit Chile to advance

    4 in a row?

    Lets get it going.

    Hi Lamont.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman1965:

    Terrible picks! Way off


    was about time to get rid of this idiot , never posted a pick 
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    Terrible picks! Way off


    was about time to get rid of this idiot , never posted a pick 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2016 - 11:36 AM ET #66

    Sunday Euro..

    Don't see very much today

    France -114 (1 unit)
    No bet Romania Albania

    GL all
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    Sunday Euro..

    Don't see very much today

    France -114 (1 unit)
    No bet Romania Albania

    GL all
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2016 - 9:54 AM ET #67

    Monday Euro:

    Slovakia +.5 +100 (2.5 units)
    Wales / Russia draw +209 (1 unit)

    GL all


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    Monday Euro:

    Slovakia +.5 +100 (2.5 units)
    Wales / Russia draw +209 (1 unit)

    GL all


     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 9:54 AM ET #68

    Tuesday Euro...

    Poland -110 (2.5 units)
    Germany / NI no bet
    Croatia +.5 -115 (2 units)
    Turkey PK and +.5 -110 (1.5 units)

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    Tuesday Euro...

    Poland -110 (2.5 units)
    Germany / NI no bet
    Croatia +.5 -115 (2 units)
    Turkey PK and +.5 -110 (1.5 units)

    GL all


     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 9:58 AM ET #69

    gl van 
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 4:47 PM ET #70

    CLEAN SWEEP TODAY 3-0

     

    8-2 LAST 10 GAMES.

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    CLEAN SWEEP TODAY 3-0

     

    8-2 LAST 10 GAMES.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 4:52 PM ET #71

    Great job Van 
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    jkjc
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 5:07 PM ET #72


    Great picks!

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    Great picks!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 6:01 PM ET #73

    Nice work.
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2016 - 6:58 PM ET #74

    Wow Vanzack!
    Nice Run!
    Hitting Nice Futures Also!
    Thanks Man!

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    Wow Vanzack!
    Nice Run!
    Hitting Nice Futures Also!
    Thanks Man!

     
     
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    Nice job van
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