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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 10:43 AM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    great job so far van

    paraguay ML down to -113 on 5dimes... think it'll move closer to evens?

    Actually - both lines have moved against me again.  The over is now +100 and Paraguay is now +108

    I wish I would have waited, but am not going to add anything today - have enough as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    great job so far van

    paraguay ML down to -113 on 5dimes... think it'll move closer to evens?

    Actually - both lines have moved against me again.  The over is now +100 and Paraguay is now +108

    I wish I would have waited, but am not going to add anything today - have enough as it is.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 11:16 AM ET #127

    Very surprised to see both lines move against you Van ... who is playing Ecuador here?
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    Very surprised to see both lines move against you Van ... who is playing Ecuador here?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 11:19 AM ET #128

    i don't get why Paraguay line moved to +108
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    i don't get why Paraguay line moved to +108
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 11:44 AM ET #129

    Yeah this is very strange, I got a terrible price at my book and now it is down to -110

    Insane line move
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    Yeah this is very strange, I got a terrible price at my book and now it is down to -110

    Insane line move
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 12:49 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Very surprised to see both lines move against you Van ... who is playing Ecuador here?

    Kap hey bro.  My thoughts as well, except that people may be thinking this could be a 0-0 yawner unless Paraguay can nick a late goal..

     

    very weird line movement van...not sure i've ever seen you pay 35 cents more than the final price... +111 on 5dimes now. I never saw this coming and I know you probably didnt either.

    I will most likely end up tailing you on this anyway as i value your capping skills in International play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Very surprised to see both lines move against you Van ... who is playing Ecuador here?

    Kap hey bro.  My thoughts as well, except that people may be thinking this could be a 0-0 yawner unless Paraguay can nick a late goal..

     

    very weird line movement van...not sure i've ever seen you pay 35 cents more than the final price... +111 on 5dimes now. I never saw this coming and I know you probably didnt either.

    I will most likely end up tailing you on this anyway as i value your capping skills in International play.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 1:59 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Yeah this is very strange, I got a terrible price at my book and now it is down to -110

    Insane line move

    Happened with the Argentina game too - both lines moved against me 50 cents!

    I have certainly not been getting the best lines, but line prediction is very hard in these one off tournaments.  

    +111 now on Paraguay, and -115 on the over

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Yeah this is very strange, I got a terrible price at my book and now it is down to -110

    Insane line move

    Happened with the Argentina game too - both lines moved against me 50 cents!

    I have certainly not been getting the best lines, but line prediction is very hard in these one off tournaments.  

    +111 now on Paraguay, and -115 on the over

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 2:02 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    Kap hey bro.  My thoughts as well, except that people may be thinking this could be a 0-0 yawner unless Paraguay can nick a late goal..

     

    very weird line movement van...not sure i've ever seen you pay 35 cents more than the final price... +111 on 5dimes now. I never saw this coming and I know you probably didnt either.

    I will most likely end up tailing you on this anyway as i value your capping skills in International play.

    Paraguay should maintain possession, and Equador should be on the back foot all day.  The potential issue is Paraguay just not being able to score - but I am going to take my chances here - they should have a lot of the ball and a lot of the chances on net.

    Im not happy about the line move - but like I said in the previous post - it is really difficult to guage line movement in a tournament that is only played every so often, with an international betting public, and in games that there is no history.  So while I am pissed, I really cant be mad at anything I did because it is just as likely to go the other way - the only thing I can and should do is bet more - but I dont have the stomach for that this early in the tourney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakemcbride:

    Kap hey bro.  My thoughts as well, except that people may be thinking this could be a 0-0 yawner unless Paraguay can nick a late goal..

     

    very weird line movement van...not sure i've ever seen you pay 35 cents more than the final price... +111 on 5dimes now. I never saw this coming and I know you probably didnt either.

    I will most likely end up tailing you on this anyway as i value your capping skills in International play.

    Paraguay should maintain possession, and Equador should be on the back foot all day.  The potential issue is Paraguay just not being able to score - but I am going to take my chances here - they should have a lot of the ball and a lot of the chances on net.

    Im not happy about the line move - but like I said in the previous post - it is really difficult to guage line movement in a tournament that is only played every so often, with an international betting public, and in games that there is no history.  So while I am pissed, I really cant be mad at anything I did because it is just as likely to go the other way - the only thing I can and should do is bet more - but I dont have the stomach for that this early in the tourney.

    GL

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 2:06 PM ET #133

    question vanzack
    if you like brazil venezuela over 3, that probably means , you think venezuela scores at least 1, if not why not go -2 brazil?
    what is the scoreline you expect?
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    question vanzack
    if you like brazil venezuela over 3, that probably means , you think venezuela scores at least 1, if not why not go -2 brazil?
    what is the scoreline you expect?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 2:18 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinkim:

    question vanzack
    if you like brazil venezuela over 3, that probably means , you think venezuela scores at least 1, if not why not go -2 brazil?
    what is the scoreline you expect?

    Brazil vs Venezuela last 7 matches 25 goals total.

    Brazil first game of meaning without defensive minded coach Dunga - have been talking in the press about the importance of returning to true Brazilian football - free flowing offensive style.

    Venezuela always plays open style - in their last 8 intl games, the games have had a total of 29 goals, for an average of about 3.65 per game.

    And to answer your question directly, I do think there is a decent chance that Venezuela does score - Brazil should be open and attacking - and I do think Venezuela will have their chances on net too.

    Gun to my head, I think a 3-1 Brazil final would be my prediciton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinkim:

    question vanzack
    if you like brazil venezuela over 3, that probably means , you think venezuela scores at least 1, if not why not go -2 brazil?
    what is the scoreline you expect?

    Brazil vs Venezuela last 7 matches 25 goals total.

    Brazil first game of meaning without defensive minded coach Dunga - have been talking in the press about the importance of returning to true Brazilian football - free flowing offensive style.

    Venezuela always plays open style - in their last 8 intl games, the games have had a total of 29 goals, for an average of about 3.65 per game.

    And to answer your question directly, I do think there is a decent chance that Venezuela does score - Brazil should be open and attacking - and I do think Venezuela will have their chances on net too.

    Gun to my head, I think a 3-1 Brazil final would be my prediciton.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 2:22 PM ET #135

    so how about venezuela team total over 0.5? its +137
    should be a good bet so?
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    so how about venezuela team total over 0.5? its +137
    should be a good bet so?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 2:38 PM ET #136

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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 3:16 PM ET #137

    I took "No" on the will both teams score a goal in the Paraguay/Ecuador game...with the way you're talking about the team you favor to win the game possibly not scoring, seems like a good play to me.

    BOL Van
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    I took "No" on the will both teams score a goal in the Paraguay/Ecuador game...with the way you're talking about the team you favor to win the game possibly not scoring, seems like a good play to me.

    BOL Van
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 3:17 PM ET #138

    Why is this Brazil game so sloppy? Could easily be 2-0 before 10 minute mark.... 

    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....
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    Why is this Brazil game so sloppy? Could easily be 2-0 before 10 minute mark.... 

    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 3:21 PM ET #139

    Good luck today on Paraguay van, I added a unit at the new prices after the huge line movement.  Very interesting it moved so much but I'll gladly re-invest at a greater price.  2-0 Paraguay I'm thinking.


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    Good luck today on Paraguay van, I added a unit at the new prices after the huge line movement.  Very interesting it moved so much but I'll gladly re-invest at a greater price.  2-0 Paraguay I'm thinking.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 4:10 PM ET #140

    I'm the mush that bet the first half, you guys will hit over in the second.
    Make today great!
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    I'm the mush that bet the first half, you guys will hit over in the second.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 4:31 PM ET #141

    Is Brazil really this bad?  possession? barely. Chances? none of quality......what a barn burner !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Is Brazil really this bad?  possession? barely. Chances? none of quality......what a barn burner !!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 4:43 PM ET #142

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

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    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

     . 

    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 4:49 PM ET #143

    another fixed soccer match!

    soccer is horrible!

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    another fixed soccer match!

    soccer is horrible!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 5:29 PM ET #144

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Why is this Brazil game so sloppy? Could easily be 2-0 before 10 minute mark.... 

    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....


    argentina was not impressive either
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Why is this Brazil game so sloppy? Could easily be 2-0 before 10 minute mark.... 

    This team is not going to beat Argentina in the final....


    argentina was not impressive either
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 5:33 PM ET #145

    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    another fixed soccer match!

    soccer is horrible!

    betting soccer faves will kill a gambler's bank roll in the long run.

    Between -600 Brazil and -500 argentina, a bettor with two seemingly "safe" bets would be down 1100 units in 2 days...

    I know its frustrating, but thats what make soccer capping so intriguing...there is so much more to it situationally speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    another fixed soccer match!

    soccer is horrible!

    betting soccer faves will kill a gambler's bank roll in the long run.

    Between -600 Brazil and -500 argentina, a bettor with two seemingly "safe" bets would be down 1100 units in 2 days...

    I know its frustrating, but thats what make soccer capping so intriguing...there is so much more to it situationally speaking.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 5:48 PM ET #146

    paraguay so close to scoring there
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    paraguay so close to scoring there
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 8:43 PM ET #147

    Can I have that 4 hours of my life back?

    Jeesh.

    That was awful.

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    Can I have that 4 hours of my life back?

    Jeesh.

    That was awful.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2011 - 9:03 PM ET #148

    Record:
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    Up: .28 Units

    Future:
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    Results
    1. Bolivia +2.5 -113 (1 unit), .5 unit to Bolivia +2.5 and 3 -103 - WIN
    2. Arg / Bol Under 3 and 3.5 +107 (1.5 units), .5 unit to the under 3.5 and 4 +108 - WIN
    3. CR / Columbia Under 2.5 -114 (1.5 units) - WIN
    4. Venezuela / Brazil Over 3 -116 (1.5 units) - LOSS
    5. Paraguay -.5 -125 (2.5 units) - LOSS

    Monday July 4th
    6.  Uruguay -1 -122 (1.5 units)
    7.  Chile -160 (1 unit)

    I fear that I am falling in to a trap here - I dont like betting favorites or teams with a lot of hype in the first round of intl tournaments.  As you can see - the games are usually low scoring - and technically lacking - as we saw so far in all 4 games played.  So dogs and unders should be the order - but I am having a tough time ignoring these prices.

    I felt like a tool all day today after ignoring all of my own advice to not bet overs and favs - and watching time and time again Brazil and Paraguay not possess the ball because they are not used to each other yet - and I wanted to kill myself.

    That being said, Chile is in great form, playing an under 23 side for Mexico.  That should equal a win, but Chile has a new coach and is holding them back from their attacking style that made them a force - and there could be an adjustment there.  I love the big 3 of Uruguay (Forlan, Cavani, Suarez) - in good form they would torch Peru - who also has injury issues to their best players.

    We will see - long tournament - but today stung and I am a little gunshy.


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    Record:
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    Up: .28 Units

    Future:
    A. Columbia +32-1 (risk .25 unit to win 8 units)

    Results
    1. Bolivia +2.5 -113 (1 unit), .5 unit to Bolivia +2.5 and 3 -103 - WIN
    2. Arg / Bol Under 3 and 3.5 +107 (1.5 units), .5 unit to the under 3.5 and 4 +108 - WIN
    3. CR / Columbia Under 2.5 -114 (1.5 units) - WIN
    4. Venezuela / Brazil Over 3 -116 (1.5 units) - LOSS
    5. Paraguay -.5 -125 (2.5 units) - LOSS

    Monday July 4th
    6.  Uruguay -1 -122 (1.5 units)
    7.  Chile -160 (1 unit)

    I fear that I am falling in to a trap here - I dont like betting favorites or teams with a lot of hype in the first round of intl tournaments.  As you can see - the games are usually low scoring - and technically lacking - as we saw so far in all 4 games played.  So dogs and unders should be the order - but I am having a tough time ignoring these prices.

    I felt like a tool all day today after ignoring all of my own advice to not bet overs and favs - and watching time and time again Brazil and Paraguay not possess the ball because they are not used to each other yet - and I wanted to kill myself.

    That being said, Chile is in great form, playing an under 23 side for Mexico.  That should equal a win, but Chile has a new coach and is holding them back from their attacking style that made them a force - and there could be an adjustment there.  I love the big 3 of Uruguay (Forlan, Cavani, Suarez) - in good form they would torch Peru - who also has injury issues to their best players.

    We will see - long tournament - but today stung and I am a little gunshy.


     
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    good luck vanzack.  Uruguay kills it tomorrow
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    hard to argue with those picks for tomorrow.  
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