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    Refs wrong on Sharks decision...

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 8:34 PM ET #1

    Referees co-coach Bill Harrigan answers your most frequently asked questions from Round 1 of the NRL season. This week, he looks at the key decisions in the Wests Tigers' clash with the Cronulla Sharks at Leichhardt Oval.

    Should the Sharks have been penalised after their charge down in extra-time?

    The rule on a charge-down is that all players are deemed to be back on-side by the act of a charge-down. In this case, the referee got a call from his touch judge that the Sharks players were in front of the kicker and then became involved in the play. The referee then penalised them for this infringement.

    That decision was incorrect. The players were no longer offside due to the act of the charge-down. The touch judge and the referee got that decision wrong.

    The ruling should have been a knock-on against Wests Tigers’ Benji Marshall and a scrum feed to Cronulla.

    We have looked at the eagle-cam today, and it proved that the Wests Tigers players were on-side in their attempt to charge the ball down, so there was no problem there. But the simple fact is that the Sharks players were put back on-side due to the charge-down and should not have been penalised.

    The right ruling would have been a scrum feed to the Sharks.

    It is important to make clear that at the end of the game or at any time during the game, there was no conversation between Sharks officials and the referees.


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    Referees co-coach Bill Harrigan answers your most frequently asked questions from Round 1 of the NRL season. This week, he looks at the key decisions in the Wests Tigers' clash with the Cronulla Sharks at Leichhardt Oval.

    Should the Sharks have been penalised after their charge down in extra-time?

    The rule on a charge-down is that all players are deemed to be back on-side by the act of a charge-down. In this case, the referee got a call from his touch judge that the Sharks players were in front of the kicker and then became involved in the play. The referee then penalised them for this infringement.

    That decision was incorrect. The players were no longer offside due to the act of the charge-down. The touch judge and the referee got that decision wrong.

    The ruling should have been a knock-on against Wests Tigers’ Benji Marshall and a scrum feed to Cronulla.

    We have looked at the eagle-cam today, and it proved that the Wests Tigers players were on-side in their attempt to charge the ball down, so there was no problem there. But the simple fact is that the Sharks players were put back on-side due to the charge-down and should not have been penalised.

    The right ruling would have been a scrum feed to the Sharks.

    It is important to make clear that at the end of the game or at any time during the game, there was no conversation between Sharks officials and the referees.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 8:35 PM ET #2

    Tigers are and always will be Gallop's team...
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 8:56 PM ET #3

    That tells you that games are fixed, well atleast some. That is a simple rule and should never be incorrectyl officiated. I won my money so cant say he is complaining but really i feel bad for the sharks.

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    That tells you that games are fixed, well atleast some. That is a simple rule and should never be incorrectyl officiated. I won my money so cant say he is complaining but really i feel bad for the sharks.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 9:01 PM ET #4

    I am a wests fan but yep bad bad bad call, sharks always get screwed over.  Brisbane are the NRL's fav's 
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    I am a wests fan but yep bad bad bad call, sharks always get screwed over.  Brisbane are the NRL's fav's 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 10:05 PM ET #5

    Another undeserving Wests Derps victory
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 10:14 PM ET #6

    Loves a good shit stir does the ACE

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2012 - 10:41 PM ET #7

    Just confirms what I've felt for a long time - ie that some rules simply don't apply during golden point. Refs are completely petrified of giving a team on attack a penalty or six to go that they might otherwise award during the normal course of a game. 
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    Just confirms what I've felt for a long time - ie that some rules simply don't apply during golden point. Refs are completely petrified of giving a team on attack a penalty or six to go that they might otherwise award during the normal course of a game. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2012 - 3:52 AM ET #8

    It's ok, Bill will come out after the fact every week and say 'yep, they got it wrong'.

    I fucking hate golden point, always have. 

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    It's ok, Bill will come out after the fact every week and say 'yep, they got it wrong'.

    I fucking hate golden point, always have. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2012 - 7:38 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Battler:

    It's ok, Bill will come out after the fact every week and say 'yep, they got it wrong'.

    I fucking hate golden point, always have. 


    yep, same, why should a 10 minute crap shoot override everything that's happened in the previous 80 mins ? And wtf is wrong with a draw anyway ?  
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    It's ok, Bill will come out after the fact every week and say 'yep, they got it wrong'.

    I fucking hate golden point, always have. 


    yep, same, why should a 10 minute crap shoot override everything that's happened in the previous 80 mins ? And wtf is wrong with a draw anyway ?  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2012 - 7:54 PM ET #10

    Draw 
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2012 - 8:50 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace77:

    Draw 

    Golden derp 
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    Draw 

    Golden derp 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2012 - 9:46 PM ET #12

    Draw means less opportunities for the TAB to frame a market......

    Everytime a decision is made at the executive level at the NRL, the first thing they consider is the impact it has on the TAB....

    If it is positive, they go ahead with it, if it is negative , they wont touch it...

    It all comes down to accomodating the TAB.....

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    Draw means less opportunities for the TAB to frame a market......

    Everytime a decision is made at the executive level at the NRL, the first thing they consider is the impact it has on the TAB....

    If it is positive, they go ahead with it, if it is negative , they wont touch it...

    It all comes down to accomodating the TAB.....

     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 2:41 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:


    Golden derp 


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    Golden derp 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 4:32 AM ET #14

    Obviously Flanagan missed the first sharks try
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 6:18 AM ET #15

    I think the draw is great - would take away a lot of the for-and-against bullshit deciding who makes the 8. If they're locked up after 80 mins, then one point each seems fair enough.

    However, if the NRL insist on extra-time (which I presume means extra ads) then play the entire 10 minutes. If St George kick a FG on Friday night towards the end of the first 5 mins, Newcastle can still kick a FG to secure a draw or heaven forbid go for a try to win the game. Again, if still locked up after ET, then one point each.

    The current system is fucked.

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    I think the draw is great - would take away a lot of the for-and-against bullshit deciding who makes the 8. If they're locked up after 80 mins, then one point each seems fair enough.

    However, if the NRL insist on extra-time (which I presume means extra ads) then play the entire 10 minutes. If St George kick a FG on Friday night towards the end of the first 5 mins, Newcastle can still kick a FG to secure a draw or heaven forbid go for a try to win the game. Again, if still locked up after ET, then one point each.

    The current system is fucked.

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 4:13 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Battler:

    I think the draw is great - would take away a lot of the for-and-against bullshit deciding who makes the 8. If they're locked up after 80 mins, then one point each seems fair enough.

    However, if the NRL insist on extra-time (which I presume means extra ads) then play the entire 10 minutes. If St George kick a FG on Friday night towards the end of the first 5 mins, Newcastle can still kick a FG to secure a draw or heaven forbid go for a try to win the game. Again, if still locked up after ET, then one point each.

    The current system is fucked.

    A lot of talk this week on Radio sport in NZ saying exactly that AB. Atleast give the teams the chance to play out the full extra time and not just stop.

    or

    Can do like the NFL overtime and if they score a FG then keep going, but if they score a try thats the end of it. If you get what i mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Battler:

    I think the draw is great - would take away a lot of the for-and-against bullshit deciding who makes the 8. If they're locked up after 80 mins, then one point each seems fair enough.

    However, if the NRL insist on extra-time (which I presume means extra ads) then play the entire 10 minutes. If St George kick a FG on Friday night towards the end of the first 5 mins, Newcastle can still kick a FG to secure a draw or heaven forbid go for a try to win the game. Again, if still locked up after ET, then one point each.

    The current system is fucked.

    A lot of talk this week on Radio sport in NZ saying exactly that AB. Atleast give the teams the chance to play out the full extra time and not just stop.

    or

    Can do like the NFL overtime and if they score a FG then keep going, but if they score a try thats the end of it. If you get what i mean.

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