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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 12:15 AM ET #1

    Storm -1.5 over the tanking Knights on MN?

    STHS  $1.90 over Titans?

    STG -3.5 juicing the pick your line?

    SYD/MAN  over 44?


    All this and more, to be figured out   in die time 


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    Storm -1.5 over the tanking Knights on MN?

    STHS  $1.90 over Titans?

    STG -3.5 juicing the pick your line?

    SYD/MAN  over 44?


    All this and more, to be figured out   in die time 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 12:17 AM ET #2

    The perfect  typo
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 2:50 AM ET #3

    It's clear Sharks have nothing left to offer this season, not for a lack of trying but clearly they don't have the cattle to compete for 80min at a first grade standard. Stuart cut a pretty helpless figure in the post match conference last night when he started to get stuck into players who no longer play of the club.

    I might do a PYOL with the Tigers and sell them up to around -20.5 and beyond. Got a feeling there is going to be a real thrashing on the cards.
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    It's clear Sharks have nothing left to offer this season, not for a lack of trying but clearly they don't have the cattle to compete for 80min at a first grade standard. Stuart cut a pretty helpless figure in the post match conference last night when he started to get stuck into players who no longer play of the club.

    I might do a PYOL with the Tigers and sell them up to around -20.5 and beyond. Got a feeling there is going to be a real thrashing on the cards.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 2:51 AM ET #4

    And Tigers play their best footy on a Sunday arvo. Already helped myself to that generous 9.5 line will wait until the alternatives are released later in the week.
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 3:37 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    It's clear Sharks have nothing left to offer this season, not for a lack of trying but clearly they don't have the cattle to compete for 80min at a first grade standard. Stuart cut a pretty helpless figure in the post match conference last night when he started to get stuck into players who no longer play of the club.

    I might do a PYOL with the Tigers and sell them up to around -20.5 and beyond. Got a feeling there is going to be a real thrashing on the cards.



    I think I caught that same sentiment mentioned during the 2nd half of last night's match. I think your reminder and rationale is valid for an early play on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    It's clear Sharks have nothing left to offer this season, not for a lack of trying but clearly they don't have the cattle to compete for 80min at a first grade standard. Stuart cut a pretty helpless figure in the post match conference last night when he started to get stuck into players who no longer play of the club.

    I might do a PYOL with the Tigers and sell them up to around -20.5 and beyond. Got a feeling there is going to be a real thrashing on the cards.



    I think I caught that same sentiment mentioned during the 2nd half of last night's match. I think your reminder and rationale is valid for an early play on this one.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 3:38 AM ET #6

    I mean the Broncs had some serious probs and even they could expose the weaknesses of the Sharks....eventually.
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:10 AM ET #7

    In many respects I agree with your thoughts Rod, but i'd still be hesitant to extend the PYOL too far.  The Sharks' list is already decimated and to add to their woes they could be without Seu Seu (should play), Goodwin (awaiting scans), Norrie (awaiting scans) however their attack could be assisted with the return of the offload king, Tupou.  More important though is that they may miss the spoon by simply maintaining the existing points differential (currently 44) over the Roosters even if they lose all remaining matches, so they will play for 80 minutes.  What also concerns me is the Tigers Rd 24 match against the Eels, which is likely to decide which of these two in-form sides makes the eight.  If the Tigers are up by say 14pts with 20 minutes to go I wouldn't be surprised to see Sheens rest Benji and Robbie in preparation for that blockbuster, why risk an injury in junk time?
     
    I agree, the Sharks are in trouble, but the Tigers already have a decent points differential and will be looking ahead to the Eels imo.
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    In many respects I agree with your thoughts Rod, but i'd still be hesitant to extend the PYOL too far.  The Sharks' list is already decimated and to add to their woes they could be without Seu Seu (should play), Goodwin (awaiting scans), Norrie (awaiting scans) however their attack could be assisted with the return of the offload king, Tupou.  More important though is that they may miss the spoon by simply maintaining the existing points differential (currently 44) over the Roosters even if they lose all remaining matches, so they will play for 80 minutes.  What also concerns me is the Tigers Rd 24 match against the Eels, which is likely to decide which of these two in-form sides makes the eight.  If the Tigers are up by say 14pts with 20 minutes to go I wouldn't be surprised to see Sheens rest Benji and Robbie in preparation for that blockbuster, why risk an injury in junk time?
     
    I agree, the Sharks are in trouble, but the Tigers already have a decent points differential and will be looking ahead to the Eels imo.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:23 AM ET #8

    No INGLIS for storm 
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:24 AM ET #9

    Presently finding it difficult to stay away from a ML multi in Man / Tigers / Parra @ $2.01.  Not usually a fan of multis and there has been a number of upsets recently but surely each of these teams has too much to play for.  Parra are the largest concern in that they tend to lose matches they are expected to win, and will be without Cayless and Galuvao (although that could mean return of Mateo and / or Keating) against the Warriors with Price and McKinnon back.  Nonetheless, that appears to be a solid multi.

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    Presently finding it difficult to stay away from a ML multi in Man / Tigers / Parra @ $2.01.  Not usually a fan of multis and there has been a number of upsets recently but surely each of these teams has too much to play for.  Parra are the largest concern in that they tend to lose matches they are expected to win, and will be without Cayless and Galuvao (although that could mean return of Mateo and / or Keating) against the Warriors with Price and McKinnon back.  Nonetheless, that appears to be a solid multi.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:27 AM ET #10

    Surely the Knights turn up to play at Energy Aus..a desperate Newy dog against a Storm team that has solidified its top four position and is without Inglis.  I'm expecting a Newy win but i'll let AB cover that...
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    Surely the Knights turn up to play at Energy Aus..a desperate Newy dog against a Storm team that has solidified its top four position and is without Inglis.  I'm expecting a Newy win but i'll let AB cover that...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:38 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun7:

    Surely the Knights turn up to play at Energy Aus..a desperate Newy dog against a Storm team that has solidified its top four position and is without Inglis.  I'm expecting a Newy win but i'll let AB cover that...

    You'd think it might be shades of this time last year with the Knights (when they upset the Storm), but it seems pretty clear that the Brian Smith drama has sucked the life out of that group.

    And quite frankly I'm not surprised. It must be very hard, VERY hard to buy into buy a coach after he's effectively sold out on you for a better deal elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun7:

    Surely the Knights turn up to play at Energy Aus..a desperate Newy dog against a Storm team that has solidified its top four position and is without Inglis.  I'm expecting a Newy win but i'll let AB cover that...

    You'd think it might be shades of this time last year with the Knights (when they upset the Storm), but it seems pretty clear that the Brian Smith drama has sucked the life out of that group.

    And quite frankly I'm not surprised. It must be very hard, VERY hard to buy into buy a coach after he's effectively sold out on you for a better deal elsewhere.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 4:45 AM ET #12

    I can only imagine JT, but if I were a rugby league player based in Newcastle, I wouldn't wish to face the consequences on Monday if they fail to show up again - think bottles, think carpark, think complete and utter social disrespect
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    I can only imagine JT, but if I were a rugby league player based in Newcastle, I wouldn't wish to face the consequences on Monday if they fail to show up again - think bottles, think carpark, think complete and utter social disrespect
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun7:

    I can only imagine JT, but if I were a rugby league player based in Newcastle, I wouldn't wish to face the consequences on Monday if they fail to show up again - think bottles, think carpark, think complete and utter social disrespect

    I'm not so sure about that Gun. I'd like to think the public of Newcastle would have certain degree of empathy for what the playing group is going through post the Brian Smith episode.

    This is a no-frills team that built it's success on self-belief, belief in the bloke next to him and belief in the systems and structure that Brian Smith had drilled into them.

    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.

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    I can only imagine JT, but if I were a rugby league player based in Newcastle, I wouldn't wish to face the consequences on Monday if they fail to show up again - think bottles, think carpark, think complete and utter social disrespect

    I'm not so sure about that Gun. I'd like to think the public of Newcastle would have certain degree of empathy for what the playing group is going through post the Brian Smith episode.

    This is a no-frills team that built it's success on self-belief, belief in the bloke next to him and belief in the systems and structure that Brian Smith had drilled into them.

    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2009 - 9:17 PM ET #14

    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.


    Then why does the culture allow this to happen? And with players, also?
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    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.


    Then why does the culture allow this to happen? And with players, also?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 7:28 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by ChkChkBoom:

    No INGLIS for storm 


    its not only him not playing, its the mental affect it has on the team. we've seen off field controversy affect teams before.

    i wonder if they are likely to completely implode after this, like Manly did when Stewart was stood down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChkChkBoom:

    No INGLIS for storm 


    its not only him not playing, its the mental affect it has on the team. we've seen off field controversy affect teams before.

    i wonder if they are likely to completely implode after this, like Manly did when Stewart was stood down.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 8:06 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by norseman67:

    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.


    Then why does the culture allow this to happen? And with players, also?

    Because it's very hard NOT to have it happen. Here you had a squad that wasn't really expected to do much this season. But they defy predictions and enjoy success based on their teamwork and chemistry. Those two factors were real driving forces for the Knights because they don't have the superstar power that allows other players to sit back and wait for something to happen. That group at Newcastle had to pitch in and play to a very high level every week to it done. And they did that. They believed in each other, they believed in their coach and they won games.

    Then out of absolutely nowhere their coach announces drops an 'A' bomb on them by announcing he's leaving. Suddenly that trust and belief is diminished. And the second that NRL players and professional sportsmen in general, get the sniff of an excuse NOT to have to give 100%, they won't.     

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    Quote Originally Posted by norseman67:

    Suddenly a big portion of what made the Knights "tick" has been destroyed due to Smith's defection.


    Then why does the culture allow this to happen? And with players, also?

    Because it's very hard NOT to have it happen. Here you had a squad that wasn't really expected to do much this season. But they defy predictions and enjoy success based on their teamwork and chemistry. Those two factors were real driving forces for the Knights because they don't have the superstar power that allows other players to sit back and wait for something to happen. That group at Newcastle had to pitch in and play to a very high level every week to it done. And they did that. They believed in each other, they believed in their coach and they won games.

    Then out of absolutely nowhere their coach announces drops an 'A' bomb on them by announcing he's leaving. Suddenly that trust and belief is diminished. And the second that NRL players and professional sportsmen in general, get the sniff of an excuse NOT to have to give 100%, they won't.     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcrap:



    its not only him not playing, its the mental affect it has on the team. we've seen off field controversy affect teams before.

    i wonder if they are likely to completely implode after this, like Manly did when Stewart was stood down.





    I don't think it would be a big surprise in that the Storm can cover up over this loss better than Manly.

    Manly did for a while, but one wonders how much of it was smoke and mirrors with their recent stretch of fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcrap:



    its not only him not playing, its the mental affect it has on the team. we've seen off field controversy affect teams before.

    i wonder if they are likely to completely implode after this, like Manly did when Stewart was stood down.





    I don't think it would be a big surprise in that the Storm can cover up over this loss better than Manly.

    Manly did for a while, but one wonders how much of it was smoke and mirrors with their recent stretch of fail.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 8:48 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:

    Because it's very hard NOT to have it happen. Here you had a squad that wasn't really expected to do much this season. But they defy predictions and enjoy success based on their teamwork and chemistry. Those two factors were real driving forces for the Knights because they don't have the superstar power that allows other players to sit back and wait for something to happen. That group at Newcastle had to pitch in and play to a very high level every week to it done. And they did that. They believed in each other, they believed in their coach and they won games.

    Then out of absolutely nowhere their coach announces drops an 'A' bomb on them by announcing he's leaving. Suddenly that trust and belief is diminished. And the second that NRL players and professional sportsmen in general, get the sniff of an excuse NOT to have to give 100%, they won't.     



    Remember, I ask questions like this through the eyes of an American watching football. It's just incomprehensible to have coaches and players sign up with other teams during the season.
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    Because it's very hard NOT to have it happen. Here you had a squad that wasn't really expected to do much this season. But they defy predictions and enjoy success based on their teamwork and chemistry. Those two factors were real driving forces for the Knights because they don't have the superstar power that allows other players to sit back and wait for something to happen. That group at Newcastle had to pitch in and play to a very high level every week to it done. And they did that. They believed in each other, they believed in their coach and they won games.

    Then out of absolutely nowhere their coach announces drops an 'A' bomb on them by announcing he's leaving. Suddenly that trust and belief is diminished. And the second that NRL players and professional sportsmen in general, get the sniff of an excuse NOT to have to give 100%, they won't.     



    Remember, I ask questions like this through the eyes of an American watching football. It's just incomprehensible to have coaches and players sign up with other teams during the season.
     
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    Love the Panthers +5.5 this round over the Broncos.


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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2009 - 7:40 PM ET #20

    Manly -12 
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:35 AM ET #21

    Eels -3.5 / STG -1.5  @ $1.94
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:36 AM ET #22

    CAN /STG   42.5> 
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:36 AM ET #23

     GL MATE 
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:36 AM ET #24

    PAR / NZ   <44.5 
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:37 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by ChkChkBoom:

     GL MATE 



    Prolly need it - woof woof
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