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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:08 PM ET #1

    ABOUT $75,000 was lost in a two-hour gambling spree from a TAB account belonging to troubled Parramatta Eels star Kieran Foran.

    Foran secretly checked out of rehab in Queensland on Thursday night.

    He flew to Sydney, where about $75,000 was gambled away on his TAB account during the two-hour splurge.

    In an online frenzy the account was making bets of up to $15,000 on the greyhounds in Dapto, Albion Park and Sandown.

    It then switched to the South African gallops in an attempt to win back some of the thousands lost.

    In the end, about $75,000 was lost after about $15,000 was clawed back in the second hour.

    The TAB’s terms and conditions state the “account holder” is “the only permitted person” to use the account.

    TAB workers were alerted at the start of the two-hour spree when red alarm lights signalled a regular big-betting punter was online and making hefty outlays.

    Foran had his account frozen several weeks ago when the TAB ordered it to be shut down temporarily after a round of hefty losses.

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    ABOUT $75,000 was lost in a two-hour gambling spree from a TAB account belonging to troubled Parramatta Eels star Kieran Foran.

    Foran secretly checked out of rehab in Queensland on Thursday night.

    He flew to Sydney, where about $75,000 was gambled away on his TAB account during the two-hour splurge.

    In an online frenzy the account was making bets of up to $15,000 on the greyhounds in Dapto, Albion Park and Sandown.

    It then switched to the South African gallops in an attempt to win back some of the thousands lost.

    In the end, about $75,000 was lost after about $15,000 was clawed back in the second hour.

    The TAB’s terms and conditions state the “account holder” is “the only permitted person” to use the account.

    TAB workers were alerted at the start of the two-hour spree when red alarm lights signalled a regular big-betting punter was online and making hefty outlays.

    Foran had his account frozen several weeks ago when the TAB ordered it to be shut down temporarily after a round of hefty losses.

     
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    It was reopened last week, allowing bets to be made on each of the dog races in three states. In a single bet, a $1.60 favourite was backed with a $12,000 bet. The dog was beaten on the post.

    The TAB operators taking the bets only agreed to take half of the wagers proposed in the second hour of betting because of the losses.

    Otherwise, the Parramatta star’s account would have lost $150,000 in an hour.

    It is normal practice at betting agencies with regular punters that bets are often halved to limit the exposure to punters facing losses. After the account had the freeze lifted last week, two bets went through on the Foran account for between $20,000 and $30,000 on two winning dogs.

    One paid $1.60 and the other $6.

    According to TAB insiders, those bets were most likely to have been placed by a Foran associate using his betting details and account.

    They believe the bets from Thursday night were not based on specific tips because they involved every one of the greyhound races and then switched to the obscure horse races in South Africa.

    A single bet of $20,000 was placed on a race in Vaal, but the horse ran last.

    The betting stopped after the South African wager.

    That Foran was released from an intensive rehab program just hours before the betting spree has convinced the TAB the gambler was Foran himself.

    The former Manly and now Parramatta player was admitted to rehabilitation in a top-line Queensland facility three weeks ago.

    He had taken an overdose of prescription drugs in his Rocks apartment after an acrimonious split from his partner of six years, Rebecca Pope.

    The pair have two young children who live with Pope in a new home recently purchased by Foran on the northern beaches.

    While rumours of Foran’s betting habits have surfaced in recent weeks, his management has insisted his problems are limited to the relationship breakdown.

    Foran returned to training with the Eels yesterday morning and will now continue the rehabilitation process in Sydney because of his commitment to the club.

    The Saturday Telegraph contacted Foran and his manager George Mimis last night but they were unavailable for comment.

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    It was reopened last week, allowing bets to be made on each of the dog races in three states. In a single bet, a $1.60 favourite was backed with a $12,000 bet. The dog was beaten on the post.

    The TAB operators taking the bets only agreed to take half of the wagers proposed in the second hour of betting because of the losses.

    Otherwise, the Parramatta star’s account would have lost $150,000 in an hour.

    It is normal practice at betting agencies with regular punters that bets are often halved to limit the exposure to punters facing losses. After the account had the freeze lifted last week, two bets went through on the Foran account for between $20,000 and $30,000 on two winning dogs.

    One paid $1.60 and the other $6.

    According to TAB insiders, those bets were most likely to have been placed by a Foran associate using his betting details and account.

    They believe the bets from Thursday night were not based on specific tips because they involved every one of the greyhound races and then switched to the obscure horse races in South Africa.

    A single bet of $20,000 was placed on a race in Vaal, but the horse ran last.

    The betting stopped after the South African wager.

    That Foran was released from an intensive rehab program just hours before the betting spree has convinced the TAB the gambler was Foran himself.

    The former Manly and now Parramatta player was admitted to rehabilitation in a top-line Queensland facility three weeks ago.

    He had taken an overdose of prescription drugs in his Rocks apartment after an acrimonious split from his partner of six years, Rebecca Pope.

    The pair have two young children who live with Pope in a new home recently purchased by Foran on the northern beaches.

    While rumours of Foran’s betting habits have surfaced in recent weeks, his management has insisted his problems are limited to the relationship breakdown.

    Foran returned to training with the Eels yesterday morning and will now continue the rehabilitation process in Sydney because of his commitment to the club.

    The Saturday Telegraph contacted Foran and his manager George Mimis last night but they were unavailable for comment.

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:12 PM ET #3

    Active players being allowed to bet is a massive red flag, imo.

    They shouldn't even be allowed to open accounts.

    Wake up NRL.




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    Active players being allowed to bet is a massive red flag, imo.

    They shouldn't even be allowed to open accounts.

    Wake up NRL.




     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:25 PM ET #4

    I actually didn't think this could be possible.Other sports codes seem to be so strict on this sort of stuff. To be fair I don't know much about this, like when he opened it etc, but still.

    Massive and it's a shame he has taken the split with his wife this bad. Hope the dude comes out good.

    Like I said before though, I know other codes have 0 tolerance and are usually pretty quick when it comes to this stuff. Maybe time for the NRL to step
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    I actually didn't think this could be possible.Other sports codes seem to be so strict on this sort of stuff. To be fair I don't know much about this, like when he opened it etc, but still.

    Massive and it's a shame he has taken the split with his wife this bad. Hope the dude comes out good.

    Like I said before though, I know other codes have 0 tolerance and are usually pretty quick when it comes to this stuff. Maybe time for the NRL to step
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:53 PM ET #5

    It's a massive integrity issue and should not be allowed, period.




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    It's a massive integrity issue and should not be allowed, period.




     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 1:25 AM ET #6

    Foran making bets on ponies is a serious sign of him being frustrated not being able to express his competitive instincts.

    Bloke wants to get back on the pitch so he takes it out on Seth Efrikan ponies?

    Uh brother.

    At least he wasn't wagering on the NRL.
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    Foran making bets on ponies is a serious sign of him being frustrated not being able to express his competitive instincts.

    Bloke wants to get back on the pitch so he takes it out on Seth Efrikan ponies?

    Uh brother.

    At least he wasn't wagering on the NRL.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 2:15 AM ET #7

    Still sets up all sorts of issues down the track, dudes getting big debts with the bookies and getting a visit from Mick Gatto to 'fix' a few things here and there.

    Shouldn't be betting at all until he's retired. 

    And we don't really now if he's betting on the NRL or not.

    Is what it is, NRL lets the bookies put their stink all over the league.

    It's no coincidence why the NRL tab-link is the easiest to find on all Aussie sportsbook sites, right up the top of the page whereas you have to scroll to the bottom of the page for Rugby Union.
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    Still sets up all sorts of issues down the track, dudes getting big debts with the bookies and getting a visit from Mick Gatto to 'fix' a few things here and there.

    Shouldn't be betting at all until he's retired. 

    And we don't really now if he's betting on the NRL or not.

    Is what it is, NRL lets the bookies put their stink all over the league.

    It's no coincidence why the NRL tab-link is the easiest to find on all Aussie sportsbook sites, right up the top of the page whereas you have to scroll to the bottom of the page for Rugby Union.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 2:21 AM ET #8

    How did the Telegraph get this info in the first place? Surely the TAB have a law suit coming there way. That is a massive breach of privacy.
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    How did the Telegraph get this info in the first place? Surely the TAB have a law suit coming there way. That is a massive breach of privacy.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 2:27 AM ET #9

    There's a lot of Parra-haters right now given they can still play Finals footy and all those that fcuked up the cap before them couldn't.

    Could have been one of his 'mates' or even his ex-missus.

    Pretty long line of suspects either way.
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    There's a lot of Parra-haters right now given they can still play Finals footy and all those that fcuked up the cap before them couldn't.

    Could have been one of his 'mates' or even his ex-missus.

    Pretty long line of suspects either way.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:08 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How did the Telegraph get this info in the first place? Surely the TAB have a law suit coming there way. That is a massive breach of privacy.


    This was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this article.

    Not only that but the detail of the actual betting patterns as well during that span? Foran should bleed the f*uckers dry for breach of privacy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How did the Telegraph get this info in the first place? Surely the TAB have a law suit coming there way. That is a massive breach of privacy.


    This was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this article.

    Not only that but the detail of the actual betting patterns as well during that span? Foran should bleed the f*uckers dry for breach of privacy
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:12 AM ET #11

    I just saw who wrote the article

    No surprise that it is Rebecca Wilson. Queen of gutter journalism
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    I just saw who wrote the article

    No surprise that it is Rebecca Wilson. Queen of gutter journalism
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:33 AM ET #12

    Breach of privacy, yes but surprised noone have an issue with a professional athlete having a betting account.

    If anything Foran should be punished for having the account in his own name, stupidity right there.

    If this were in the USA, dude would be crucified.
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    Breach of privacy, yes but surprised noone have an issue with a professional athlete having a betting account.

    If anything Foran should be punished for having the account in his own name, stupidity right there.

    If this were in the USA, dude would be crucified.
     
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    I have no problem with professional athletes having betting accounts.
    And nore should there be.

    As long as they don't bet on their own sport.

    I'm close to competing in a lined sport, in my sport of choice.
    So what if I do I'm not allowed to have betting accounts lol?

    That would be beyond a joke.


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    I have no problem with professional athletes having betting accounts.
    And nore should there be.

    As long as they don't bet on their own sport.

    I'm close to competing in a lined sport, in my sport of choice.
    So what if I do I'm not allowed to have betting accounts lol?

    That would be beyond a joke.


     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:57 AM ET #14

    How are they supposed to monitor if an athlete with a betting account doesn't bet on his/her own sport ? 

    It would then become the breach of privacy issue being brought up here if they made his/her betting transparent.

    We're talking a high profile. well-paid athlete having an account with an agency that publicly touts/endorses NRL betting, whether he bets on his sport or not, it's an issue.

    Easiest solution is to ban pro-athletes from having online betting accounts.

    If they want to punt, go to the casino and play the tables or do a Sandow/Hindmarsh and feed the robot i.e the slots/pokies.

    Accessing a service that with the click of a button allows one to bet on their own sports code has massive integrity flags.
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    How are they supposed to monitor if an athlete with a betting account doesn't bet on his/her own sport ? 

    It would then become the breach of privacy issue being brought up here if they made his/her betting transparent.

    We're talking a high profile. well-paid athlete having an account with an agency that publicly touts/endorses NRL betting, whether he bets on his sport or not, it's an issue.

    Easiest solution is to ban pro-athletes from having online betting accounts.

    If they want to punt, go to the casino and play the tables or do a Sandow/Hindmarsh and feed the robot i.e the slots/pokies.

    Accessing a service that with the click of a button allows one to bet on their own sports code has massive integrity flags.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davenz:

    I have no problem with professional athletes having betting accounts.
    And nore should there be.

    As long as they don't bet on their own sport.

    I'm close to competing in a lined sport, in my sport of choice.
    So what if I do I'm not allowed to have betting accounts lol?

    That would be beyond a joke.





    so between winning every bet you've ever made and trash-talking & after-timing on numerous betting forums daily you also have time to be an elite sportsman ? 

    dave, are you the greatest human being thats ever lived? 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davenz:

    I have no problem with professional athletes having betting accounts.
    And nore should there be.

    As long as they don't bet on their own sport.

    I'm close to competing in a lined sport, in my sport of choice.
    So what if I do I'm not allowed to have betting accounts lol?

    That would be beyond a joke.





    so between winning every bet you've ever made and trash-talking & after-timing on numerous betting forums daily you also have time to be an elite sportsman ? 

    dave, are you the greatest human being thats ever lived? 


     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 9:11 AM ET #16

    Darts ?
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 9:24 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by emkee:

    How are they supposed to monitor if an athlete with a betting account doesn't bet on his/her own sport ? 

    It would then become the breach of privacy issue being brought up here if they made his/her betting transparent.

    We're talking a high profile. well-paid athlete having an account with an agency that publicly touts/endorses NRL betting, whether he bets on his sport or not, it's an issue.

    Easiest solution is to ban pro-athletes from having online betting accounts.

    If they want to punt, go to the casino and play the tables or do a Sandow/Hindmarsh and feed the robot i.e the slots/pokies.

    Accessing a service that with the click of a button allows one to bet on their own sports code has massive integrity flags.

    Waste of time banning for betting accounts.

    Works just the same as now. Those that want to bet will find a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emkee:

    How are they supposed to monitor if an athlete with a betting account doesn't bet on his/her own sport ? 

    It would then become the breach of privacy issue being brought up here if they made his/her betting transparent.

    We're talking a high profile. well-paid athlete having an account with an agency that publicly touts/endorses NRL betting, whether he bets on his sport or not, it's an issue.

    Easiest solution is to ban pro-athletes from having online betting accounts.

    If they want to punt, go to the casino and play the tables or do a Sandow/Hindmarsh and feed the robot i.e the slots/pokies.

    Accessing a service that with the click of a button allows one to bet on their own sports code has massive integrity flags.

    Waste of time banning for betting accounts.

    Works just the same as now. Those that want to bet will find a way.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 9:29 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase_Beaverman:




    so between winning every bet you've ever made and trash-talking & after-timing on numerous betting forums daily you also have time to be an elite sportsman ? 

    dave, are you the greatest human being thats ever lived? 



    Daily? I read this forum once a week on average.

    Same with most forums these days.

    I do enjoy winding up losers like you though.
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    so between winning every bet you've ever made and trash-talking & after-timing on numerous betting forums daily you also have time to be an elite sportsman ? 

    dave, are you the greatest human being thats ever lived? 



    Daily? I read this forum once a week on average.

    Same with most forums these days.

    I do enjoy winding up losers like you though.
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 9:32 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by emkee:

    Darts ?

    No.....and now u are getting off topic.

    Think of a sport u were or are semi decent at.

    If u became a pro at that sport, u would be allowed zero betting accounts. Ridiculous and see above, won't work.

    Unless the betting companies implement a certain strategy which I doubt will happen........
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    Darts ?

    No.....and now u are getting off topic.

    Think of a sport u were or are semi decent at.

    If u became a pro at that sport, u would be allowed zero betting accounts. Ridiculous and see above, won't work.

    Unless the betting companies implement a certain strategy which I doubt will happen........
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 9:46 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Davenz:


    Daily? I read this forum once a week on average.

    Same with most forums these days.

    I do enjoy winding up losers like you though.

      hans christian davenz 
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    Daily? I read this forum once a week on average.

    Same with most forums these days.

    I do enjoy winding up losers like you though.

      hans christian davenz 
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 10:29 AM ET #21

    His brother actually bets alot so his brother may have been using the account.

    They are always at the pub literally on my street betting on the horses and dogs.

    Another player (former team mate) who didnt get another contract at the club and went to another Sydney club and left to go and play in England this year was always at another TAB in a nearby suburb..

    The TAB used to let him bet on credit and when i believe it was found out by higher powers, the TAB operator got reprimanded.

    Whats even funnier, a senior and well known official at the club used to call my dad every Friday arvo and ask him to come over and place a bet for him on the league....this was about 2-3 years ago.

    It was never on the club that he was/is still involved with.
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    His brother actually bets alot so his brother may have been using the account.

    They are always at the pub literally on my street betting on the horses and dogs.

    Another player (former team mate) who didnt get another contract at the club and went to another Sydney club and left to go and play in England this year was always at another TAB in a nearby suburb..

    The TAB used to let him bet on credit and when i believe it was found out by higher powers, the TAB operator got reprimanded.

    Whats even funnier, a senior and well known official at the club used to call my dad every Friday arvo and ask him to come over and place a bet for him on the league....this was about 2-3 years ago.

    It was never on the club that he was/is still involved with.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 6:28 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by emkee:

    Breach of privacy, yes but surprised noone have an issue with a professional athlete having a betting account.

    If anything Foran should be punished for having the account in his own name, stupidity right there.

    If this were in the USA, dude would be crucified.

    Only if your name is Pete Rose.   There have been plenty of other athletes gambling and it is hushed up by the leagues.  They don't want the integrity of their sport questioned so they'll pretend it's not going on. 

    Michael Jordan is a huge gambler and allegedly retired (the first time) because the NBA was about to suspend him for gambling activities.
    More recently; Cosart, pitcher for the Marlins was suspended two off seasons ago for betting big.  Very light suspension, very little fanfare.

    I agree, they should be banned from betting sports.  No one wants to enforce it though.  The leagues certainly don't want to open that can of worms.

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    Breach of privacy, yes but surprised noone have an issue with a professional athlete having a betting account.

    If anything Foran should be punished for having the account in his own name, stupidity right there.

    If this were in the USA, dude would be crucified.

    Only if your name is Pete Rose.   There have been plenty of other athletes gambling and it is hushed up by the leagues.  They don't want the integrity of their sport questioned so they'll pretend it's not going on. 

    Michael Jordan is a huge gambler and allegedly retired (the first time) because the NBA was about to suspend him for gambling activities.
    More recently; Cosart, pitcher for the Marlins was suspended two off seasons ago for betting big.  Very light suspension, very little fanfare.

    I agree, they should be banned from betting sports.  No one wants to enforce it though.  The leagues certainly don't want to open that can of worms.

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 11:48 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Davenz:


    No.....and now u are getting off topic.

    Think of a sport u were or are semi decent at.



    Bandy?  Futsal?  E-Sports?  Ring Toss?  Beer pong?  Friday nights on the pull?
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    No.....and now u are getting off topic.

    Think of a sport u were or are semi decent at.



    Bandy?  Futsal?  E-Sports?  Ring Toss?  Beer pong?  Friday nights on the pull?
     
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 11:53 PM ET #24

    Banning it officially or not, in today's computer world it is impossible to supervise and enforce.

    Having a mate or a distant cousin or someone you pay just for this very act to open an account and bet for you is legal, will always be legal, and could never be proven that it is actually you making the bets.

    Back in Pete Rose's day, he would have to meet face-to-face with someone to make these bets, even his proxy.  Face-to-face.  Not today.

    NRL Players ------>  Tells uni friend to open an account and pays uni friend in cash to deposit in his bank account -----> Uni friend makes a deposit on XYZ bookmaker and takes bets from NRL players through converation ----> Uni friend makes withdrawals and pays NRL player in cash.

    How can you stop that?  And legally both people could claim the cash transfers to each other were legal "gifts" and therefore not gambling expenditure.
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    Banning it officially or not, in today's computer world it is impossible to supervise and enforce.

    Having a mate or a distant cousin or someone you pay just for this very act to open an account and bet for you is legal, will always be legal, and could never be proven that it is actually you making the bets.

    Back in Pete Rose's day, he would have to meet face-to-face with someone to make these bets, even his proxy.  Face-to-face.  Not today.

    NRL Players ------>  Tells uni friend to open an account and pays uni friend in cash to deposit in his bank account -----> Uni friend makes a deposit on XYZ bookmaker and takes bets from NRL players through converation ----> Uni friend makes withdrawals and pays NRL player in cash.

    How can you stop that?  And legally both people could claim the cash transfers to each other were legal "gifts" and therefore not gambling expenditure.
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