San Diego at New England (01/20/2008)

Welcome to the thread!!

I've never heard that before.  A push is a push with my local and my online sports account.  No juice paid or any money paid in that matter because you technically did not lose.  I think some locals do charge juice but I've never heard of anyone counting a push as a loss and expecting you to pay up plus the juice. 

Big D

Not only did he say that I lost the juice but that I actually lost the bet, even though it was a push.  He explained by saying that since you are not fronting the money like in Vegas that all OVER or UNDER ties go to the local.  I think something is wrong with this picture...

Patsgrl

I could not have said it any better myself.  That is exactly what he is trying to do.  I just wanted to confirm with some others before pushing the issue.

Much thanks and any other input is much appreciated...

Not mad at you fish... I was just upset because it is ridiculous what I have been reading lately the Patriots.  I read everyday on this site or hear from people that this team is not a good team, and how Brady is not a good quarterback, and if he messes up once, everybody has to point it out and say something about it.  The worst thing I hear all the time is how this New England team is a "fraud"..and when I ask them to elaborate, they give me an irrelevant answer.  I mean come on, we are the only unbeaten team in the league at 17-0..  yes we cheated, got caught and paid for it but hey talent is what got them to where they are now. 

Anyway, no worries fish.  Apology accepted and I have nothing against you.  I just had to get my 2 cents out there because man the comments I've been hearing lately have really been making me mad.  But I know you didn't mean anything personally and don't worry we are still friends

And btw I did make it safely back to Texas.  I spent the 3 hours driving here listening to ESPN Radio and nearly got into a car wreck when Romo threw that last pick.  I was really hoping they would make it to the Super Bowl and hopefully face my Pats if they win next week. 

the first line up there should read "I was just upset because it is ridiculous what I have been reading lately ABOUT the Pats.."

I was missing a word.. oops. 

Or spread bets are good, maybe.

But last weekend when I was in  Vegas I took the OVER on Packers and Seahawks and came out with a Grand.

This week I'm taking the UNDERS.

Reason Temps in both places will by 7 degrees in GB and in NE it will be 11.  Football becomes like a rock.

I see NE 31 and SD 10

GB 20 NY 13

but GL whatever you bet and GL to all

My picks NE/SD under 49.5

GB/NY under 43.5

$500 parlay to win 1300

and $500 under on GB game

Covers has the Hilton in Vegas o/u for this game listed at 24.    Is this correct?

Welcome to the forum, Plastikman  

Think that your local is trying to stick it to you. The only time that a push loses is on a teaser. A push on any type of straight bet is just that, a PUSH and there should not be any vigorish. This is what half points are for. Hope you can work this out in your favor. If your local won't honor the push, I'd find another one or open an on line account somewhere. Good luck.

I also welcome you to the forum.

In gambling, one of the ten commandments of Hoyle is "KNOW THE GAME".  Also know the rules first before placing your bet. 

Good luck to you.

Anyway, the Patriots wins the game but won't cover the spread even with a banged up Chargers.

Like the over 47 1/2

 

I do think the Pats cover this one.  They are not about to lose steam now.  Remember they very easily shoulda-coulda covered on Saturday, were it not for a 35-yd FG missing by a foot and the normally sure-handed Welker dropping an easy 3rd down throw late in the game, which likely would have led to another TD instead of a FG.

Of course covers.com is littered with coulda-shoulda-wouldas.  And so is my online betting account. 

Weather will be a factor for the total for sure.  I think SD will score some, but probably not more than 14, same as last time.  Actually I think 38-14 is as good a prediction as any.

Do people realize that were it not for two dropped passes, Brady might have thrown the first "perfect game" ever in the NFL?  And done it in the playoffs? 

I like the Bolts...14.5 is a great motivator.  Not that the Pats aren't able to put up numbers, but if the weather is windy and cold then I like the under as well.

Looking at a couple of things from their previous meeting...Cromartie wasn't even in the equation, a pro bowler who really only started the last 8 games of season.  They pretty much dropped Merriman into coverage, which they won't do this time.  No Pats coming off spygate (I mean did you see the way the Pats were hugging Belichick after that game, they were a little motivated).  Not that an undefeated season isn't motivating but their motivation has remained relatively the same.

I also expect San Diego to run the ball, but not with LT.  I expect LT to come out of the backfield but let's see how many carries Turner gets after this last performance (contract year btw).  Lorenzo Neal may also make his return (day-to-day).

I know some of the Bolts are banged up, but if LT goes down in the first don't tell me the Pats would be happy to see Turner.  Gates may not be a difference maker in the game, but he was well enough to play the go ahead drive in Indy.

San Diego O-line in not injured, San Diego +24 on turnover ratio, San Diego D playing..."lights out"

I won't go as far to say they will win outright, but 14 is too many.

Oh, and yes, I am near San Diego.  Take my "homer" rhetoric for what it's worth.  I respect all opinions, good luck all.

rekam this should help my under bet of 49.5 for this game.

GL All

dtmadden

My local only does that with the OVER/UNDER bets but with the games he allows pushes.  I guess you learn something new everyday.

Fish

I forgot to mention your name personally, I give you props as well.

After reading each of your posts in response to my question, I went to pay a visit to the "beloved" BOOK.  I explained my point from a combination of the above posts and he actually gave me credit for the PUSH.  However, we were in agreement that from this point forward on an OVER/UNDER push goes to the book.  I said sounds good.  The part he didn't realize is that I am done with him...

Lefty,

If you read my post to Fish you will see that I took your advice.  I found another local.  Thanks.

As for this game, does anyone feel that the key to the game, aside from possible Charger injuries, is the secondary play of the Chargers.  We all know the Chargers D-line will get some pressure to Brady, but can the secondary keep up with the likes of Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Gaffney?  Unless the D-Line can bring constant pressure early and often I think Brady will pick them apart.