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    Pittsburgh at Arizona (02/01/2009)

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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 1:09 PM ET #26

    I CALLED AZ AND THE OVER YESTERDAY AND I'LL CALL THE SAME FOR THE SUPERBOWL. PITT IS NO POWERHOUSE BY ANY MEANS..A GOOD TEAM YES BUT FAR FROM GREAT. THE CARDS "THINK" THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY WIN AND THAT'S SCARY FOR A TEAM HITTING ON ALL LEVELS THIS TIME IN THE YEAR. I THINK THE CARDS CAN WIN OUTRIGHT BUT IF NOT THEY HAVE AT LEAST A BACKDOOR COVER IN THEM WITH THE WAY THEY CHUCK THAT BALL AROUND. AZ + 6.5 OVER 47
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    I CALLED AZ AND THE OVER YESTERDAY AND I'LL CALL THE SAME FOR THE SUPERBOWL. PITT IS NO POWERHOUSE BY ANY MEANS..A GOOD TEAM YES BUT FAR FROM GREAT. THE CARDS "THINK" THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY WIN AND THAT'S SCARY FOR A TEAM HITTING ON ALL LEVELS THIS TIME IN THE YEAR. I THINK THE CARDS CAN WIN OUTRIGHT BUT IF NOT THEY HAVE AT LEAST A BACKDOOR COVER IN THEM WITH THE WAY THEY CHUCK THAT BALL AROUND. AZ + 6.5 OVER 47
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 1:15 PM ET #27

    I'd like to send out my congrats to the Steeler & Cardinal fans out there  
     
    Sorry Steeler fans I gotta cheer for the Cards here. I just like cheering for the underdog in Superbowls since my team ( Dolphins ) has not seen the Superbowl for a while.
     
    I got a lot of wagers going on in every Superbowl so I'll see you guys closer to Superbowl Sunday
     
     & Aloha
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    I'd like to send out my congrats to the Steeler & Cardinal fans out there  
     
    Sorry Steeler fans I gotta cheer for the Cards here. I just like cheering for the underdog in Superbowls since my team ( Dolphins ) has not seen the Superbowl for a while.
     
    I got a lot of wagers going on in every Superbowl so I'll see you guys closer to Superbowl Sunday
     
     & Aloha
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 1:37 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by maldini:



    The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year. Don't make stupid arguments.

    The Cards had something to do with the Eagles looking bad yesterday.

    The Cards offense is much, much better than the Ravens or Chargers offenses that Pittsburgh has played.

    Why are the Cardinals the hotter team? They've won 4 straight and are 6-4 in their last 10. The Steelers have won 3 straight and are 8-2 in their last 10. Plus the Steelers have played much tougher competition this year. It looks like both teams are peaking right now.

    I also wouldn't say that the Cardinals offense was much much better than the Chargers. During the regular season the Chargers only averaged 16 yards per game less than the Cardinals, scored more points and Rivers did lead the league in qb rating this year.

    You could also say that the Steelers defense is much much better than the Falcons, Panthers and Eagles. The Eagles were good this year and did rank 3rd in Total D but they weren't on the same level as Pittsburgh's this year. Pittsburgh gave up 4 less points per game, about 40 less yards per game, and were almost #1 across the board.

    I think this game will play out like Pittsburgh's last 2 did. It will be close at halftime but Pittsburgh will eventually pull away in the second half to get the win and cover.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by maldini:



    The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year. Don't make stupid arguments.

    The Cards had something to do with the Eagles looking bad yesterday.

    The Cards offense is much, much better than the Ravens or Chargers offenses that Pittsburgh has played.

    Why are the Cardinals the hotter team? They've won 4 straight and are 6-4 in their last 10. The Steelers have won 3 straight and are 8-2 in their last 10. Plus the Steelers have played much tougher competition this year. It looks like both teams are peaking right now.

    I also wouldn't say that the Cardinals offense was much much better than the Chargers. During the regular season the Chargers only averaged 16 yards per game less than the Cardinals, scored more points and Rivers did lead the league in qb rating this year.

    You could also say that the Steelers defense is much much better than the Falcons, Panthers and Eagles. The Eagles were good this year and did rank 3rd in Total D but they weren't on the same level as Pittsburgh's this year. Pittsburgh gave up 4 less points per game, about 40 less yards per game, and were almost #1 across the board.

    I think this game will play out like Pittsburgh's last 2 did. It will be close at halftime but Pittsburgh will eventually pull away in the second half to get the win and cover.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 1:50 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by maldini:



    The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year. Don't make stupid arguments.

    The Cards had something to do with the Eagles looking bad yesterday.

    The Cards offense is much, much better than the Ravens or Chargers offenses that Pittsburgh has played.

    Alright, first of all since you are new here let me fill you in to the reason for theese threads, 

    TO MAKE STUPID ARGUMENTS

    like ..............

    -The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year

    if you are basing your capping on an arbitrary concept like the HOTNESS of a team then more power to you. and to use such a long timeline for basing your trend (1 year) im surprised you are not selling your picks with that vast wealth of knowledge. Do you offer analysis on ESPN?  when can I watch you? Do you write a column? podcast?

    eh, just bustin your balls,

    I could see this game going under or over the total.

    I just dont see the cards covering.

    Got a while for analysis I'll have to dig back real far for this one

    (maybe 2 weeks )

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by maldini:



    The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year. Don't make stupid arguments.

    The Cards had something to do with the Eagles looking bad yesterday.

    The Cards offense is much, much better than the Ravens or Chargers offenses that Pittsburgh has played.

    Alright, first of all since you are new here let me fill you in to the reason for theese threads, 

    TO MAKE STUPID ARGUMENTS

    like ..............

    -The Cards are the hotter team. Just like the Giants were the hotter team last year

    if you are basing your capping on an arbitrary concept like the HOTNESS of a team then more power to you. and to use such a long timeline for basing your trend (1 year) im surprised you are not selling your picks with that vast wealth of knowledge. Do you offer analysis on ESPN?  when can I watch you? Do you write a column? podcast?

    eh, just bustin your balls,

    I could see this game going under or over the total.

    I just dont see the cards covering.

    Got a while for analysis I'll have to dig back real far for this one

    (maybe 2 weeks )

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 2:04 PM ET #30

    Lets see if Rooney made the right choice with selecting Mike Tomlin to be head coach a few years back,almost everyone here including wisenhunt thought the job was HIS...I like what Arizona has done this year but they have not went up against a D like this. I EXPECT they will not be able to run and will go away from it early,if that happens and they become 1 demensional Polamolu might be seeing the end zone again, and if Boldin meets Polamolu or Clark across the middle he may get flashbacks from his injury in the JETS game...Also Lets not forget this week the STEELERS left alot of points on the field against BALTI, a dropped wide open TD by Limus Sweed, and a misplay of the clock before HALF, they should have just kicked the field goal, and that was against a BALTI DEFENSE ...Pittsburghs Offense, and offensive line is starting to play well and there D SPEAKS FOR ITSELF...the line AGAIN is high for a reason,  1 more time                             STEELERS  lets get six steelcity
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    Lets see if Rooney made the right choice with selecting Mike Tomlin to be head coach a few years back,almost everyone here including wisenhunt thought the job was HIS...I like what Arizona has done this year but they have not went up against a D like this. I EXPECT they will not be able to run and will go away from it early,if that happens and they become 1 demensional Polamolu might be seeing the end zone again, and if Boldin meets Polamolu or Clark across the middle he may get flashbacks from his injury in the JETS game...Also Lets not forget this week the STEELERS left alot of points on the field against BALTI, a dropped wide open TD by Limus Sweed, and a misplay of the clock before HALF, they should have just kicked the field goal, and that was against a BALTI DEFENSE ...Pittsburghs Offense, and offensive line is starting to play well and there D SPEAKS FOR ITSELF...the line AGAIN is high for a reason,  1 more time                             STEELERS  lets get six steelcity
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 3:04 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by stalker:

    And dude seriously do something with that avatar.

     

    .....lol i agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalker:

    And dude seriously do something with that avatar.

     

    .....lol i agree

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 3:13 PM ET #32

    arizona was 2-19 on the east coast going into the playoffs if this factor is hyped look for arizona to cover, if the talk is about how impressive the cards have been and warners experience than take pitt minus whatever it is. i am a steelers fan and pitt will win this game they should have put up at least 30 on baltimore and baltimore defense is much better than arizona.
     
    big ben will have time and hines ward will play he has 2 weeks. i think people will jump on the points. betters have had little faith in pitt covering this year in the playoffs and the recent play of the cards has people believing in them. i dont think thier defense matches well with the pitt offense. parker should have 100 yards this week and holmes is hot at receiver and returns.mcnabb had 375 yards passing and plenty of missed opportunities and the cards did not have a good 2nd half other than the winning drive. pitt played 60 minutes against a team that came to play.
     
    right now im thinking
     
    pitt 38
    ariz 20
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    arizona was 2-19 on the east coast going into the playoffs if this factor is hyped look for arizona to cover, if the talk is about how impressive the cards have been and warners experience than take pitt minus whatever it is. i am a steelers fan and pitt will win this game they should have put up at least 30 on baltimore and baltimore defense is much better than arizona.
     
    big ben will have time and hines ward will play he has 2 weeks. i think people will jump on the points. betters have had little faith in pitt covering this year in the playoffs and the recent play of the cards has people believing in them. i dont think thier defense matches well with the pitt offense. parker should have 100 yards this week and holmes is hot at receiver and returns.mcnabb had 375 yards passing and plenty of missed opportunities and the cards did not have a good 2nd half other than the winning drive. pitt played 60 minutes against a team that came to play.
     
    right now im thinking
     
    pitt 38
    ariz 20
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 4:17 PM ET #33

    Do the Eagles have the offensive weapons the Steelers have?  NO

    Do the Eagles have the defensive weapons the Steelers have? NO

    Do the Steelers have the better defense? YES

    Do the Steelers have the better offense?  Maybe.  More balanced for sure.

    I think the Steelers can beat the Cardinals by a touchdown.  They have the experience and frankly they are the better team.  Plus Boldin is being a baby and stirring up some sheet in Zona.  Big question:  Will Ward play?????
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    Do the Eagles have the offensive weapons the Steelers have?  NO

    Do the Eagles have the defensive weapons the Steelers have? NO

    Do the Steelers have the better defense? YES

    Do the Steelers have the better offense?  Maybe.  More balanced for sure.

    I think the Steelers can beat the Cardinals by a touchdown.  They have the experience and frankly they are the better team.  Plus Boldin is being a baby and stirring up some sheet in Zona.  Big question:  Will Ward play?????
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 4:24 PM ET #34

    10-2 the last 3 weeks, i said it last week im red hot!
    I begged you guys to take the cards over panthers and again last night.
    BUT... PITT WINS THIS SUPERBOWL GAME.  NO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT LINE HERE, YOU HAVE A HIGH FLYING OFFENSE AND A VERY VERY VERY GOOD DEFENSE.  WARNER PLAYS HORRIBLE BEHIND AND HE WILL PLAY BEHIND IN THIS GAME, WE ALL KNOW BODEN AND FITZ LOOK TO SHOW OUT BUT A GREAT DEFENSE WINS HERE.
     
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    10-2 the last 3 weeks, i said it last week im red hot!
    I begged you guys to take the cards over panthers and again last night.
    BUT... PITT WINS THIS SUPERBOWL GAME.  NO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT LINE HERE, YOU HAVE A HIGH FLYING OFFENSE AND A VERY VERY VERY GOOD DEFENSE.  WARNER PLAYS HORRIBLE BEHIND AND HE WILL PLAY BEHIND IN THIS GAME, WE ALL KNOW BODEN AND FITZ LOOK TO SHOW OUT BUT A GREAT DEFENSE WINS HERE.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 5:00 PM ET #35

    Throw all the trends out the window!

    Neutral Field (Disregard the East Coast time zone)

    Arizona +7/+7.5 (All Day!)

    Locked it at +7(-120)-1unit; When it goes to +7.5 I will add an additional 2 unit play.

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    Throw all the trends out the window!

    Neutral Field (Disregard the East Coast time zone)

    Arizona +7/+7.5 (All Day!)

    Locked it at +7(-120)-1unit; When it goes to +7.5 I will add an additional 2 unit play.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 5:03 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVig:

    I think Super Bowl expiriance will be a big factor here, the Steelers have been there recently and Zona will be wide eyed and distracted. Pitt - the pts 

    Kurt Warner(St. Louis) and Ken Wisenhunt(Pittsburgh) have Super Bowl expirience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVig:

    I think Super Bowl expiriance will be a big factor here, the Steelers have been there recently and Zona will be wide eyed and distracted. Pitt - the pts 

    Kurt Warner(St. Louis) and Ken Wisenhunt(Pittsburgh) have Super Bowl expirience!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 5:11 PM ET #37

    Oh you know every1 loves arizona and 7 pts with the way they score and fitzgerald bein a monster....This line is too easy...Pitt wins by at least 10 probably 14-17.  What a joke...and what a coincidence that pit gets another nfc west team in the super bowl to beat like they did the seahawks.  Everyone gonna get caught up in whisenhunt and yadayada as well>>>THE STORY COME MONDAY WILL BE PIT GETS SIXTH RING TO PASS DALLAS AND SF FOR MOST TITLES>>AND MIKE TOMLIN BECOMES SECOND BLACK HEAD COACH TO WIN IT BEHIND TONY DUNGY>>>>YOU HEARD IT HERE>>>BELIEVE IT
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    Oh you know every1 loves arizona and 7 pts with the way they score and fitzgerald bein a monster....This line is too easy...Pitt wins by at least 10 probably 14-17.  What a joke...and what a coincidence that pit gets another nfc west team in the super bowl to beat like they did the seahawks.  Everyone gonna get caught up in whisenhunt and yadayada as well>>>THE STORY COME MONDAY WILL BE PIT GETS SIXTH RING TO PASS DALLAS AND SF FOR MOST TITLES>>AND MIKE TOMLIN BECOMES SECOND BLACK HEAD COACH TO WIN IT BEHIND TONY DUNGY>>>>YOU HEARD IT HERE>>>BELIEVE IT
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:17 PM ET #38

    Public appology here boys and girls.......I begged and pleaded for people to take Philly.......I didn't think they would let Zona breath.......from what it looked like.......the Philly staff didn't think they had to bring a lot of pressure packages in the game.........and really didn't blitz all that much in the first half.........and paid a huge price.  By the time they regrouped( 8 total yards in the 3rd quarter allowed to the highest scoring 3rd Q team in the NFL this year) and holding them scoreless until the last drive of the game.......it was too late........Hats off to the Zona backers and most importantly the Zona coaches and that ol' crafty grocery bagger.......they do deserve to be here!!  I hope they continue to play with that kind of passion and focus.......they will certainly need it against Pitt. 
     
    I look forward to all the discussion and breakdowns over the next two weeks!! 
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    Public appology here boys and girls.......I begged and pleaded for people to take Philly.......I didn't think they would let Zona breath.......from what it looked like.......the Philly staff didn't think they had to bring a lot of pressure packages in the game.........and really didn't blitz all that much in the first half.........and paid a huge price.  By the time they regrouped( 8 total yards in the 3rd quarter allowed to the highest scoring 3rd Q team in the NFL this year) and holding them scoreless until the last drive of the game.......it was too late........Hats off to the Zona backers and most importantly the Zona coaches and that ol' crafty grocery bagger.......they do deserve to be here!!  I hope they continue to play with that kind of passion and focus.......they will certainly need it against Pitt. 
     
    I look forward to all the discussion and breakdowns over the next two weeks!! 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:22 PM ET #39

    under.47
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    under.47
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:24 PM ET #40

    Last time these two meet last year Arizona 21 Pit. 14
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    Last time these two meet last year Arizona 21 Pit. 14
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:28 PM ET #41

    And if anyone happened to notice in 06 Arizona 21 Pitt. 13
    Ummm...  Didn't the Steelers have a good defense those years too. 
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    And if anyone happened to notice in 06 Arizona 21 Pitt. 13
    Ummm...  Didn't the Steelers have a good defense those years too. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:31 PM ET #42

     Arizona's gonna be one-dimensional in the 2nd quarter. They will TRY to run on the Steeler's D but it won't happen. Steelers know who will be Warner's main target is > Fitzgerald. Steelers will shut down Fitzgerald and what's left for Warner? Boldin? James? ..

     The way the Steelers are playing right now in the playoff are very dominant. After the concussion, Big Ben has been Great. Last 2 playoff games , he has minimized his TO's . I see Steelers Dominate this game just like the last 2 also.

     Tomlin > Wisenhunt . 27-17 Steelers

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     Arizona's gonna be one-dimensional in the 2nd quarter. They will TRY to run on the Steeler's D but it won't happen. Steelers know who will be Warner's main target is > Fitzgerald. Steelers will shut down Fitzgerald and what's left for Warner? Boldin? James? ..

     The way the Steelers are playing right now in the playoff are very dominant. After the concussion, Big Ben has been Great. Last 2 playoff games , he has minimized his TO's . I see Steelers Dominate this game just like the last 2 also.

     Tomlin > Wisenhunt . 27-17 Steelers

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:31 PM ET #43

    I'll correct myself now before someone else does the 06 game was a preseason game.  But someone once said "You play to win the game!"
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    I'll correct myself now before someone else does the 06 game was a preseason game.  But someone once said "You play to win the game!"
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 6:33 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazman80:

    And if anyone happened to notice in 06 Arizona 21 Pitt. 13
    Ummm...  Didn't the Steelers have a good defense those years too. 


     Big Ben has grown over the past few years..let me say it again,
     
    MIKE TOMLIN WILL BE ONE OF THE ELITE HEADCOACHES
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazman80:

    And if anyone happened to notice in 06 Arizona 21 Pitt. 13
    Ummm...  Didn't the Steelers have a good defense those years too. 


     Big Ben has grown over the past few years..let me say it again,
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 7:45 PM ET #45

    If the line gets to -7 ill buy 3 points for the cardinals and parlay it with buying 3 points for the under
    so itll be Cardinals plus 10
    then over 44, possibly 43.5 if it goes down so i really have to keep a close look at this like cause i think thats a really good play
    thats just me
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    If the line gets to -7 ill buy 3 points for the cardinals and parlay it with buying 3 points for the under
    so itll be Cardinals plus 10
    then over 44, possibly 43.5 if it goes down so i really have to keep a close look at this like cause i think thats a really good play
    thats just me
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 8:04 PM ET #46

    I really dont think pitts dbacks are as good as philly.They have one real good one .philly has 4 and look what happened.Arizona looks good to me. this could be pitt fans after the game.
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    I really dont think pitts dbacks are as good as philly.They have one real good one .philly has 4 and look what happened.Arizona looks good to me. this could be pitt fans after the game.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 8:24 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezman:

    Throw all the trends out the window!

    Neutral Field (Disregard the East Coast time zone)

    Arizona +7/+7.5 (All Day!)

    Locked it at +7(-120)-1unit; When it goes to +7.5 I will add an additional 2 unit play.

    if you look at the past matchups arizona is the trend. i hope the line goes up to -8.5 to -11 and get even more people on the points

    zona will score but pitt is a much better team playing what was considered the hardest schedule in the nfl this year.  eagles left points off the board and pitt will not. zona was up 24-6 late in the 3rd and almost lost. pitt could get a special teams td and and a def td plus the offenses points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chezman:

    Throw all the trends out the window!

    Neutral Field (Disregard the East Coast time zone)

    Arizona +7/+7.5 (All Day!)

    Locked it at +7(-120)-1unit; When it goes to +7.5 I will add an additional 2 unit play.

    if you look at the past matchups arizona is the trend. i hope the line goes up to -8.5 to -11 and get even more people on the points

    zona will score but pitt is a much better team playing what was considered the hardest schedule in the nfl this year.  eagles left points off the board and pitt will not. zona was up 24-6 late in the 3rd and almost lost. pitt could get a special teams td and and a def td plus the offenses points.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 8:25 PM ET #48

    way too many on the OVER here imo...Under 47 is already locked in for me.  I see Pitt playing ball control offense and grinding this game down.  Parker should be able to run against the Zona D, and Heath Miller will have a big game across the middle.  Zona offense is good, but I will take the #1 Defense against any offense any day.....not sure on the side, as I thought the line would have come out Pitt -9 or so, so I am likely staying away from a side and will plan for an Under 47 game...
     
    Pitt 24
    Zona 17
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    way too many on the OVER here imo...Under 47 is already locked in for me.  I see Pitt playing ball control offense and grinding this game down.  Parker should be able to run against the Zona D, and Heath Miller will have a big game across the middle.  Zona offense is good, but I will take the #1 Defense against any offense any day.....not sure on the side, as I thought the line would have come out Pitt -9 or so, so I am likely staying away from a side and will plan for an Under 47 game...
     
    Pitt 24
    Zona 17
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 8:31 PM ET #49

    Arizona is like a rollercoaster going nothing but downhill from here. Steeler D will knock grandpa warner and make his play nin-existant just like Philly started to do in the 3rd quarter yesterday. Lienart better be ready to step in and take the sacks like a man.
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    Arizona is like a rollercoaster going nothing but downhill from here. Steeler D will knock grandpa warner and make his play nin-existant just like Philly started to do in the 3rd quarter yesterday. Lienart better be ready to step in and take the sacks like a man.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2009 - 8:42 PM ET #50

    zona to the bank!!!!!!
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    zona to the bank!!!!!!
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